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I hate to admit this -- in my opinion this phone is a child of a horrible arranged marriage -- but the Lumia 800 is nothing short of amazing in terms of build quality, UI, look and feel. I played with one last weekend and despite my initial skepticism I was left with a very nice impression not only from the hardware but also from WP. No wonder if Nokia is grasping for straws while trying to attract attention to this product...

I have been telling my wife about this upcoming Lumia 900 phone for a few months now. In the AT&T store on Saturday, she held one in her hands for 10 seconds and was like: "Wow! Done! If I sign today, when are you shipping it?"
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True. Plus, does anyone know if these "ads" are even going to air anywhere? They kind of look like website teaser stuff of the sort that never gets beyond that page. I guess they might be a hint as to the tone of a general campaign, but where would they go with this? Sly innuendo is best in small doses. If they actually ran a TV campaign wherein they come right out and say that all the other smart phones are fragile and theirs isn't, they're really asking for trouble.

The teaser ads look like web-based ads, but on their website they have Chris Parnell acting restless and bored. It appears he's waiting for the time to end so he can start reporting on some "news." To me that sounds like a bigger campaign is about to be unleashed.

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Ha! My mistake... I just assumed the phone was called "Lumina" instead of its real name "Lumia"... no slur intended...

But, it shows how successful the ads were -- viral or not -- I didn't even get the name right.


Old IBM Postulate: It doesn't matter how badly you screw up -- they'll remember your name, not what you did!"

Jay Lerner: "The French don't care what you do, actually -- as long as you pronounce it properly!"

Ugly American: "When in a foreign country, speaking to a native who doesn't understand what you are saying -- speak more slowly and louder..."

See... now YOU are caught up in the viral campaing. You successfully learned the name. Nokia would be proud. Again... Well Done!
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.... and Apple iOS is sitting on their success of 2007-2009, not innovating a bit, its like the Mac in the early 90s, it started as teh king of the hill, but Amega, BeOS, Windows, OS/2 and such were competing, and Apple just sat smugly until Windows 95 came out and wiped the floor with Macs of the day.

Not.

Apple in the early 90's was not "the king of the hill". It had a quality OS, for sure, but it had low market share, non-competitive pricing and weak network effexts. None are true of iOS today.

it is highly unlikely that Windows Phone will "wipe the floor" with iPhones of today. In fact, your assertion is ludicrous.

Try again?

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I hate to admit this -- in my opinion this phone is a child of a horrible arranged marriage -- but the Lumia 800 is nothing short of amazing in terms of build quality, UI, look and feel. I played with one last weekend and despite my initial skepticism I was left with a very nice impression not only from the hardware but also from WP. No wonder if Nokia is grasping for straws while trying to attract attention to this product...

Now, That's the kind of word-of-mouth or referral advertising that they need -- that they should promote!

It appears to be honest -- and that's refreshing!


We're an iPhone household, and I don't visit a smart-phone vendor unless absolutely necessary...

But, you've piqued my interest... when it becomes available, I may go check one out!
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See... now YOU are caught up in the viral campaing. You successfully learned the name. Nokia would be proud. Again... Well Done!

By your definition, then, a tech-site circle-jerk is a successful viral ad campaign!
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ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS?

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

If you want to be thorough you'd have to include these quotes from Anandtech too:
"The original iPhone 4 design was flawed. Although Apple downplayed the issue publicly, it solved the deathgrip antenna problem with the CDMA iPhone 4."

Along with this one:
"When we reviewed the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4, we investigated and explained why its design made it especially prone to unintended attenuation when held a certain way. Apple remedied the situation somewhat by giving away free cases, but only in the case of the CDMA iPhone 4 was the fundamental design issue remedied by adding receive diversity with a second cellular antenna at the top."

And don't forget this:
"When we reviewed the CDMA iPhone 4, I made mention of the fact that this was the first iPhone 4 I felt comfortable using without a case... unlike the GSM/UMTS iPhone 4."

Yup, all from Anandtech.

Despite what Anandtech and CR reported, I would rather go with what public opinion was and not measured by "squeaky wheels who get the grease" in the media. About how many phones were returned because of the antenna issue? 98%? 99%? 100?% Not even close, because it wasn't that big of an issue. There may have been a measurable issue with the antenna, but the consumers who bought it and use it on a daily basis, for the most part had no problem with it.
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For the record...

I think that Microsoft has a better chance of long-term success in the mobile market place than Android or RIM...

IF... and this is a very big IF... they stop trying to force this Windows 8 "Wedgie" OS on both the desktop and tablets/phones.

Instead, they should:

-- preserve the Windows 7 OS on the desktop (Windows 8 Desktop is just Windows 7 plus Metro)
-- abandon Windows 8 Intel for tablets... not going anywhere for a few years (if ever)
-- consolidate WoA (Metro only) on tablets and Smartphones

Then, provide every encouragement/incentive to developers to rethink and re-implement desktop apps for WoA Metro (and which collaborate with the desktop versions).


The key to this for MS is that they have a large repository of legacy desktop apps that can be re-implemented for WoA (including their own Office suite).

Apple OS X is second in the repository of legacy desktop apps -- Google and Rimm, virtually, have nothing to build upon.


MS needs to take this decision quickly -- because Apple and third parties are already re-implementing desktop apps on iOS that collaborate with their desktop equivalents on OS X.

A year from now, the decision won't matter.
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For the record...

I think that Microsoft has a better chance of long-term success in the mobile market place than Android or RIM...

I actually agree with this. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Android become an afterthought on smartphones and tablets within the next 5-10 years. (I do think it will live on as the interface for other devices). But I think Google has already planned for a mobile landscape without Android at some future point.
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post #91 of 135
Nokia! Who cares anymore. This ad campaign looks like something MS would do, and they are probably the one behind it.
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Now, That's the kind of word-of-mouth or referral advertising that they need -- that they should promote!

It appears to be honest -- and that's refreshing!


We're an iPhone household, and I don't visit a smart-phone vendor unless absolutely necessary...

But, you've piqued my interest... when it becomes available, I may go check one out!

I agree, taking shots at iphone (no matter if they are warranted ones, because the 4 antennae was indeed an engineering mistake later fixed in 4s) in crap ms looking reality type ads don't help promote their brand. Reminds me of the bang bus type notebook ms adds, with the implicit moto yeah we know we are crap but we are cheaper... Why don't they stick to promoting what they still do best. Voice quality is undoubtedly in my experience still much better than iphone, as they hold better technology and patents in this than apple.
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First let me say that Windows Phone 7 is a good OS, in many ways it appears superior to iOS, and I have had the ability to hold and use a production Lumia 900 and it is fantastic, far more comfortable in my huge hands than the dainty little iPhone, but that said, this is embarrassing, MS/Nokia have a great product, they dont need to waste peoples time telling them why "apple sucks" particularly on a 2 year old flaw that was addressed in manufacturing revisions!

Nokia and MS could be a serious contender, I could see it taking a large bite out of android and a smaller but still significant bite out of iPhone, but they have to show how the OS is better, not how the competition screwed up 2 years ago...

You are absolutely correct, there is no reason for Nokia to play these sorts of games. Nokia has a good OS with very attractive hardware. I own a Nokia 800 because of it and I replaced my iPhone with one to be used as my personal phone. I think Nokia has a real chance with their new 900 and there was no reason for this kind of advertisement.

This sort of childish behavior can only hurt companys, why do it.
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Nokia! Who cares anymore. This ad campaign looks like something MS would do, and they are probably the one behind it.

You know what I bet they are. Nokia no longer has any foot hold in the states. I'm sure now that Microsoft and Nokia are in bed with each other, Nokia is using the same add agency. I'm not defending Nokia in any way here because I detest these kinds of adds but this smells like a Microsoft thing. I have never seen Nokia go after anyone here in Europe. It must be an American thing. Not saying anything bad abut Americans just say that kind of advertisement doesn't fly here.
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I agree, taking shots at iphone (no matter if they are warranted ones, because the 4 antennae was indeed an engineering mistake later fixed in 4s) in crap ms looking reality type ads don't help promote their brand. Reminds me of the bang bus type notebook ms adds, with the implicit moto yeah we know we are crap but we are cheaper... Why don't they stick to promoting what they still do best. Voice quality is undoubtedly in my experience still much better than iphone, as they hold better technology and patents in this than apple.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but after looking at the Apple website, it appears that the iPhone 4 is still available for sale, so I'm not sure how changes to the 4S are going to fix issues on the 4.
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ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS?

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Yes, they are still in business and are still the largest phone manufacturer in the world. Its OK to dislike something but at least show a little respect when doing so.

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but after looking at the Apple website, it appears that the iPhone 4 is still available for sale, so I'm not sure how changes to the 4S are going to fix issues on the 4.

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You know what I bet they are. Nokia no longer has any foot hold in the states. I'm sure now that Microsoft and Nokia are in bed with each other, Nokia is using the same add agency. I'm not defending Nokia in any way here because I detest these kinds of adds but this smells like a Microsoft thing. I have never seen Nokia go after anyone here in Europe. It must be an American thing. Not saying anything bad abut Americans just say that kind of advertisement doesn't fly here.

That can't be right. Microsoft already held a funeral for the iPhone. Even they won't speak ill of the dead right?

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Not.

Apple in the early 90's was not "the king of the hill". It had a quality OS, for sure, but it had low market share, non-competitive pricing and weak network effexts. None are true of iOS today.

it is highly unlikely that Windows Phone will "wipe the floor" with iPhones of today. In fact, your assertion is ludicrous.

Try again?

Well yea the post is a little silly but you have to admit, iOS is kind of stagnating a little. Yes we keep getting updates that add features but nothing has really significantly changed in a long while. Now that Apple has come forth and said that the iPad for instance is cutting into their normal computer sells I would like the OS now be able to completely take over a computer. If you know what I mean. Starting with a file manager maybe, just saying don't get crazy, just floating an idea around. Maybe even getting rid of iTunes for good.

Relic closes her eyes for the negative onslaught that is about to happen.
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That can't be right. Microsoft already held a funeral for the iPhone. Even they won't speak ill of the dead right?

Oh my gosh that's right
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This is a tech site... in case you hadn't noticed!

Most of us, here, are aware of the pending
Lumina ATT intro -- from articles here and other tech blogs.



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And you should REALLY try to spell it right Mr Techy: L-U-M-I-A

Hey, cut him a break! I bet he is an old Chevy guy at heart.

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Well yea the post is a little silly but you have to admit, iOS is kind of stagnating a little. Yes we keep getting updates that add features but nothing has really significantly changed in a long while. Now that Apple has come forth and said that the iPad for instance is cutting into their normal computer sells I would like the OS now be able to completely take over a computer. If you know what I mean. Starting with a file manager maybe, just saying don't get crazy, just floating an idea around. Maybe even getting rid of iTunes for good.

Relic closes her eyes for the negative onslaught that is about to happen.

When the system is so far ahead of the competition, maybe there's no need for iOS to change much. What's missing?
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post #103 of 135
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2012 is a big year. We are going to know very soon whether Windows Mobile and Windows 8 tablets are viable. I'm betting that they're not

Personally, my initial impressions of the Metro interface have me interested, but considering Microsoft's trend of the past decade or so of seemingly being unable to release two decent versions of Windows in a row, then Windows 8 is probably due to be their next 'poorly received' version.

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There's numerous little signs that Microsoft's frenemy stance with Apple might be getting a little strained. Microsoft/Nokia, thru their proxy Mosaid, sued Apple again last month over another set of standards-essential patents that came from Nokia. Florian Mueller's tone towards Apple the past few months has been a bit more harsh when it involves issues that could also affect Microsoft, and as others have mentioned the new ad campaign smells like a MS effort to mock Apple.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see the gloves come off if their Metro effort doesn't make an impact in the market.

Totally agree.

If Microsoft is unsuccessful, desperation will have those gloves sliding off quite easily.

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One wonders why MS and Nokia are consistently brain-dead when it comes to marketing.

I'm sorry, but anybody who saw Microsoft's Songsmith and Jerry Seinfeld commercials would have to totally disagree with you here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFo...e_gdata_player

That was marketing at it's most songtastic.

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That can't be right. Microsoft already held a funeral for the iPhone. Even they won't speak ill of the dead right?

Ah! The Microsoft funeral for the iPhone. I remember it clearly and was staggered by it's arrogance.

They really ballmered themselves with that one, didn't they?
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When the system is so far ahead of the competition, maybe there's no need for iOS to change much. What's missing?

Oh I'm sorry I thought the whole hehe don't yell at me but I wan't a filemanger was enough. So here it goes again, I would like to have a filemanger, please.

I understand that none of you need one, want one, and it sickens you to even think of having one but I would like to have one, please, pretty please with sugar on top. While your at it having the ability to mount my device as a normal drive on any computer without the aid of a certain music player would be nice to. Also if it's okay to ask, I would also like to have a desktop where I can customize myself with widgets, just a few icons that I use on a daily basis and my reminders. Maybe add support for more codecs like DIVX would also be pretty neat. Folder support on the desktop to manage my icons as groups would also be just darling. Let's see I mentioned the filemanager, oh how about the ability to mount my home servers, internet servers and work servers that use VPN as local folders on my desktop or within the filemanager itself, I'm not picky. There's quite a few more wishes but I understand if you think everything is perfect on your end.

I'll just keep dreaming, one day it will all come true, you just wait and see.

By the way these are all standard features on a Android tablet. iOS is not ahead on features, actually the OS is quite bland, however the software is friggen fantastic, way ahead on software, light years ahead on software.
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post #106 of 135
This isn't Nokia work. Clearly MS style.

But even for MS this is stupid. Windows Phone is not competing against iPhone. It is competing against Android. Attempting to compete against the iPhone makes them look pathetic - because the only issue they can come up with is a non-issue. That too almost 2 years old, and ignored by everyone even then! Why would anyone bother about this issue today?

If they instead focused on Android, it would position Windows Phone as a better alternative to the handset makers. Eventually a stage will be reached where customers move to Windows Phone simply because they will have concerns about the future of Android - and who wants to get locked in and invest in a platform that could be in trouble as handset makers walk away?

MS should armtwist handset makers with Android royalty payments on one side and sweet deals on Windows Phone on other side. And to the consumer, play up all of Androids faults - fragmentation, no OS updates, etc. Drum up fear about the uncertainty about the platform. What happens when Google owns Motorola, or when Oracle wins against Google or when Apple wins a big case against Android. Drum up malware issues and privacy breaches on Android. Ask people how they can trust a company that makes money by selling your info and violating your privacy - and has shown signs of increasing this sort of behaviour. If their ad dollars are spent on this kind of fear mongering, it will likely yield them significant dividends.

Today, all these Android issues are geek issues only. No one outside these tech websites focuses or knows much about these issues. MS has the money power to take these issues and make them real world issues. It might be a below the belt strategy - but SOP as far as MS is concerned. And at least they will benefit from it - unlike the current pathetic ads.
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You are forgeting that not everyone is into tech like you and me. Most people actually have lives and when they see the ads will subconsciously start being the effect it. It is a perfect example of FUD in operation. Apple and all companies do the same thing. It is all a part of fooling (I mean marketing) the public.

So the next time said consumer is comparison shopping the doubt will be there (even if it is not true) Business is all about perception and that's advertisings job, to influence perception.

However that is not what Apple sells. They sell the whole ecosystem, not just a feature. (The new Siri ads are the exception as they are a key component of the 4s and consumers have responded to it overwhelmingly.) The failure of the other manufacturers (and MSFT) is that they tend to sell hardware features, which is exactly what this spot is alluding to and why it will fail.
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This isn't Nokia work. Clearly MS style.

But even for MS this is stupid. Windows Phone is not competing against iPhone. It is competing against Android. Attempting to compete against the iPhone makes them look pathetic - because the only issue they can come up with is a non-issue. That too almost 2 years old, and ignored by everyone even then! Why would anyone bother about this issue today?

If they instead focused on Android, it would position Windows Phone as a better alternative to the handset makers. Eventually a stage will be reached where customers move to Windows Phone simply because they will have concerns about the future of Android - and who wants to get locked in and invest in a platform that could be in trouble as handset makers walk away?

MS should armtwist handset makers with Android royalty payments on one side and sweet deals on Windows Phone on other side. And to the consumer, play up all of Androids faults. Drum up fear about the uncertainty about the platform. What happens when Google owns Motorola, or when Oracle wins against Google or when Apple wins a big case against Android. Drum up malware issues and privacy breaches on Android. Ask people how they can trust a company that makes money by selling your info and violating your privacy - and has shown signs of increasing this sort of behaviour. If their ad dollars are spent on this kind of fear mongering, it will likely yield them significant dividends.

Today, all these Android issues are geek issues only. No one outside these tech websites focuses or knows much about these issues. MS has the money power to take these issues and make them real world issues. It might be a below the belt strategy - but SOP as far as MS is concerned. And at least they will benefit from it - unlike the current pathetic ads.

I always thought that the new Windows Phones were more of a RIM competitor. You have Exchange Server support out of the box. Every user gets 25GB of storage space with Skydrive, every phone has an awesome Office client to view and edit files, the best I have seen so far. The phone just screams business. Their are hundreds of new applications being added to the store every week.

We will have to see what happens in the future but I think the WP7.5 and soon WP8 is really the perfect business OS. I can't believe I'm saying this but I really hope Microsoft will make headway with this OS. It's really great, I would never imagine in a hundred years that Microsoft could make such an elegant system.
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The $15 has nothing to do with antennagate. USA 4G is different than foreign 4G, so it doesn't work overseas. They didn't explain that clearly in their advertising.

Try to keep up, the $15 mentioned is about the lawsuit settlement just reached on the iPhone 4 and has nothing to do with 4G. Apple basically extended the offer made just after the iPhone 4 release.

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Oh I'm sorry I thought the whole hehe don't yell at me but I wan't a filemanger was enough. So here it goes again, I would like to have a filemanger, please.

I understand that none of you need one, want one, and it sickens you to even think of having one but I would like to have one, please, pretty please with sugar on top. While your at it having the ability to mount my device as a normal drive on any computer without the aid of a certain music player would be nice to. Also if it's okay to ask, I would also like to have a desktop where I can customize myself with widgets, just a few icons that I use on a daily basis and my reminders. Maybe add support for more codecs like DIVX would also be pretty neat. Folder support on the desktop to manage my icons as groups would also be just darling. Let's see I mentioned the filemanager, oh how about the ability to mount my home servers, internet servers and work servers that use VPN as local folders on my desktop or within the filemanager itself, I'm not picky. There's quite a few more wishes but I understand if you think everything is perfect on your end.

I'll just keep dreaming, one day it will all come true, you just wait and see.

By the way these are all standard features on a Android tablet. iOS is not ahead on features, actually the OS is quite bland, however the software is friggen fantastic, way ahead on software, light years ahead on software.

Sorry, you're looking in entirely the wrong place. Apple is not interested in that game, so stick with Android if you really feel the need to futz with your phone all day long.

Apple is not going to throw out their entire ecosystem to make a few geeks happy.

And, btw, it's not lagging in features when Apple chooses not to include a feature. That's like saying a Corvette is lagging a Ford F-150 because the Corvette doesn't have a trailer hitch that will tow 4,000 pounds. That's not what the Corvette is for. Similarly, the Ford F-150 isn't going to win many races.
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This isn't Nokia work. Clearly MS style.

It is clearly ms style. Sad that nokia who still have some brand dignity and identity and the original (and to me I am sure in many ways the best until smart phones) handset maker has to stoop to this. Nokia's branding and marketing should be simple and elegant not this bunch of crap. They are not in the business of selling ms phones, they are in the business of selling great phones with ms's os, and they are certainly not in the business of making dumb ads against apple, much like (to use a not so apt example, what with the analogy being tenuous but it's the only one I can come up with) porche should not be in the business of making dumb ads against bmw.

Agree about the rest of the post, just wanted to focus on your first sentence.
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Sorry, you're looking in entirely the wrong place. Apple is not interested in that game, so stick with Android if you really feel the need to futz with your phone all day long.

Apple is not going to throw out their entire ecosystem to make a few geeks happy.

And, btw, it's not lagging in features when Apple chooses not to include a feature. That's like saying a Corvette is lagging a Ford F-150 because the Corvette doesn't have a trailer hitch that will tow 4,000 pounds. That's not what the Corvette is for. Similarly, the Ford F-150 isn't going to win many races.

Every feature I listed is from a normal OS for normal people, not geeks. It seems like that is the go to response every time I mention that I want a filemanager. Every feature I listed is also available for OSX so why can't I have them on iOS. Oh and I belong here to, I paid my dues, I have a Macbook, a couple of Minis, a iMac and a iPad. You can't be that obtuse. Can you seriously tell me that you wouldn't like these features to, it's only a dream list. I know Apple want's to lock people into the world of iTunes, I get it. Just dreaming here.

Please, stop with the car analogy's too, save it for the person who doesn't have over 1600 posts. I know how things works here. I mention things I would like to have and then I get shot down for being the minority, people don't need things like a filemanger or MiniSD, or being able to mount the device as a normal drive. Those are pro features are something like that. I don't know about you but I've been on a lot of tech calls and it is a lot easier trying to explain to someone how to transfer files to a Android tablet then it is to a iPad.

It's, yea just plug it in and copy over files after the system mounts it vs. okay yea, first what you need to do is install iTunes, okay great, now we need to setup your user. Oh you already have iTunes and a user setup on your computer but the iPad has you're husbands user in it and you want to copy your files from your computer over to your husbands iPad. F*ck where's the gun.

Yes I fully realize there are lots of solutions for every scenario but you know what Android is still the most user friendly every time because it's open and doesn't care if you bought your music from their store or copied it off a CD. Sorry, that is just the way it is.

I still love my iPad though for music creation and I wouldn't give it up for the world but please don't tell me what I need and don't need or the things I want is for pro users. It's just the basics that I had on my MAC SE, well except for the whole codec thing.
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I hate these garbage advertising stunts mobile phone companies do, flushing endless millions down the sewer.

Maybe if they actually tried making products that didn't stop evolving in the 90's they would do better.
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Marketing 101 - Never bring up your competitors, it only takes the spotlight off of your product, and could back fire depending on the consumer. Especially when the competitive issue is two years old and has since been resolved. Nokia has not only ignored those principles, but actually paying someone to do it. I will enjoy seeing them crash and burn.

So that's the reason Windows still has 95%+ of world-wide market. Apple over-advertised them with their "Get a Mac" adds
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Well yea the post is a little silly but you have to admit, iOS is kind of stagnating a little. Yes we keep getting updates that add features but nothing has really significantly changed in a long while. Now that Apple has come forth and said that the iPad for instance is cutting into their normal computer sells I would like the OS now be able to completely take over a computer. If you know what I mean. Starting with a file manager maybe, just saying don't get crazy, just floating an idea around. Maybe even getting rid of iTunes for good.

Relic closes her eyes for the negative onslaught that is about to happen.

And....nothing. Nobody cares. Get over yourself.

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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Apple is not going to throw out their entire ecosystem to make a few geeks happy.

geeks think their opinions matter more than everyone else's on technology subjects, just because they can root their phone, or hack a php site, but they are vastly overestimating their own importance. They can be very noisy on various internet forums, but that does not mean their opinions reflect the other 99%

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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geeks think their opinions matter more than everyone else's on technology subjects, just because they can root their phone, or hack a php site, but they are vastly overestimating their own importance. They can be very noisy on various internet forums, but that does not mean their opinions reflect the other 99%

Nope, not a geek problem, that is basic human nature
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...and if you need fresh towels just let me now.

Mommy can I have a hot chocolate please?
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So that's the reason Windows still has 95%+ of world-wide market. Apple over-advertised them with their "Get a Mac" adds

Those ads were a "hobby"
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Nope, not a geek problem, that is basic human nature

However just like hipsters congregating in one of those hipster bars, self-righteous geeks cloister around certain forums.

I'm probably guilty too, but since returning to having a life I've tried to cut down.
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