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post #41 of 131
Intel wouldn't have an Ultrabook initiative if it wasn't for Apple pushing them during the development of the MacBook Air.
post #42 of 131
When I was new to using a personal computer I had Windows XP. I kept it through Service Pack 3. At first It worked OK. There were times when it would freeze for a while and I had no clue what was going on. I just restarted it. by my sixth year of using it the OS was driving me crazy. Even though I had no other reference OS for comparison I just was going nuts at times because of slowness, spyware, and things freezing. I had all the anti-virus and spyware cleaners. They just took a long time to run. I regularly defragmented the drive too.

So when these people say "...and with an operating system that people have come to love over the years,..." they must be insane or just flat out lying.

Vista was the epitome of junk. Windows 7 at one of my jobs was nearly as slow as Vista and wasn't much of an improvement.

I like the Ultrabook concept because some of these vendors are including USB 3 and card readers with them. Those are features that I can use now without needing specialized peripheral devices, unlike Thunderbolt. I'm almost certain I'll be getting a laptop with those features this summer. I'll just dual boot it and use Linux for almost everything except Netflix. I'll leave about twenty gigabytes for Windows.

I wish Apple would embrace USB 3. I'll await the new 7.85 inch device or perhaps the next 5" device Apple builds. If either of them is out by October that will become my go-to Apple device.
post #43 of 131
Apple is not in direct competition with chip manufacturers. It is a customer. A customer of an industry that developed without Apple as their main customer. I am sure Apple is happy to pit chip suppliers against each other, and happy as well to let them sell their products to others.

As a business people, all of Apple's execs understand their suppliers for the most part cannot exist solely based on working with Apple. Of course they will pressure for allegiance where they can. But Intel would not be one of those companies. They need Intel.

Apple distributes products through Amazon, Amazon sells tablets against the iPad, the list goes on. With these big dogs there is no way to avoid complex relationships.
post #44 of 131
This must be why everyone I know owns one.
post #45 of 131
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

Keep talking, Intel. A lot of people including myself have written off the rumors about Apple porting OS X to ARM sometime in the next few years, but keep flapping your gums like this and Apple might just do it sooner rather than later.

Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.
post #46 of 131
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"So we did extensive research into what users' expectations were for their mobile computing devices, and there were four things that really stood out."

Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."
post #47 of 131
Windows 7, if that's what these will be running, easily trumps OS X 10.7 "Vista." So in that sense these are something to look forward to. As for machine quality, heft, battery life, it remains to be seen if these will in fact compete with the MacBook Air. Given that it's possible to buy an Apple refurb MBP less than $1000, these have some pretty tall orders to fill in terms of quality, features and price. My bet is that it will simply turn into another race to the bottom, where hardly anybody makes much money, and then, while they're busy beating each other up, Apple will blindside them with Next Big Thing.
post #48 of 131
If I was one of you guys who are hurt by this I would totally stop buying anything with intel chips inside.

.......windows desktops for all then.
post #49 of 131
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Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post

I really need to sell my INTC stock. This company is adrift

It will hurt, because it was my first real investment back in 1995. But oh my God, have they F***-up in the mobile space

You should have sold it by 1998.
post #50 of 131
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The same old race to the bottom strategy employed by the pc industry vendors as they only know how to compete.

Actually, it's the only way they can compete. Not much differentiation other than shiny knobs if you have no choice but to use the same OS as the competition. People are not willing to pay extra for shiny knobs.
post #51 of 131
Could this have anything to do with the fact that Apple is finding Intel less relevant to their initiatives. Or is it that Intel is becoming the new harbinger of VAPOR predictions - the legal heir to Microsoft - VAPOR Masters?
post #52 of 131
Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.

And perhaps they should.

Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.

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post #53 of 131
This is a post PC world. MS and Intel are carving up last year's turkey! Intel is gonna need more than a fancy name to their high priced ecosystem-less computers.

"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.
post #54 of 131
Hey how about this intel machine running as a mackintosh. I have been able to get OS X to run on quite a few intel laptops. Hmm.
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post #55 of 131
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Originally Posted by Woodlink View Post

Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.

And perhaps they should.

Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.

Well they could always start to use AMD, which have much slower procesors. Or maybe use ARM designs for their desktops which again cant compete with Intel desktop processors AND will require a rewrite of more or less all desktop programs.

face it, its intel or you are screwed.

Its just a comment. Is that what it takes to get this army going?

Fine, go to AMD and enjoy your second rate performance. Or go to ARM and enjoy lagging WAYYYY behind in the power stakes.
post #56 of 131
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Originally Posted by Mightymike View Post

This is a post PC world. MS and Intel are carving up last year's turkey! Intel is gonna need more than a fancy name to their high priced ecosystem-less computers.

"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.

Doesn't the MBA have an Intel chip inside?

Doesn't that make your comment kinda dumb?

Just saying......
post #57 of 131
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

My thought exactly. I even wonder if Intel have the inside scoop on something we don't ... i.e. Apple moving away from Intel? This seem alike a preemptive strike to me. If not it might be a shot in the foot.

I'm thinking the same thing. I bet that Apple is just about ready to switch their Mac line over to the A6 processor, starting at the bottom end.

How about a baby Mac Mini running on a multicore A6? Call it the Mac Nano. Bigger than an Apple TV, but smaller than a Mini. Perfectly usable for email, web browsing, videos, other lightweight tasks. Can run iOS apps, but uses a mouse. Boots from a small fast SSD, but also has a 2.5" hard drive. $300.

If I was Intel, I'd be really worried about something like that. Simple, robust, easy to use. Especially if the Mac Nano is followed by an MBA with an A7 for its heart. Intel who?
post #58 of 131
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Originally Posted by ljocampo View Post

{referring to Apple switching to ARM} Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.

Sorry, but I don't see it. ARM just doesn't have the power to handle a laptop at this point. Maybe eventually, but not now.

I can, however, see the use for an 'iPad Pro' which would be essentially a netbook. iPad screen with a folding keyboard. Not really intended for much more than Internet access or maybe some very light iPhoto stuff. I don't see it replacing the MBA, much less the MBP, though.

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Originally Posted by doh123 View Post

Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."

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Originally Posted by dualie View Post

Windows 7, if that's what these will be running, easily trumps OS X 10.7 "Vista."

Pray tell.... in what way does Windows 7 trump Mac OS X 10.7? And what makes you think that OS X 10.7 was anything like Vista?
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post #59 of 131
So Ultrabooks are better than Macbook Airs (which they are the same thing as) b/c they are Windows. Really? Lame. Also that Lenovo Yoga looks like a terrible idea. All my friends w/laptops have all kinds of things happen to the top of their laptop.
post #60 of 131
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Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post

Doesn't the MBA have an Intel chip inside?

Doesn't that make your comment kinda dumb?

Just saying......

What part of Ecosystem-less don't you understand? Maybe you should stop saying and start thinking!!
post #61 of 131
Well, from what i have seen the Ultrabooks are not all as thin as the MacBookAir and the MBA have been around for almost a year and they are about to be updated within the next few months. Also, the Ultrabooks don't even have Intel's Thunderbolt whereas Apple was the first to support Intel's technology. Intel and most of these Ultrabook mfg are going to have a new MBA to compete against and my bet is the new MBAs to be released with be better overall. Plus, Apple can run BOTH Windows and OS X.
post #62 of 131
In order to compete with OS X, they have to upgrade to the Ultimate version and it still doesn't have all of the features OS X has.
post #63 of 131
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Originally Posted by Woodlink View Post

Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.

And perhaps they should.

Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.

I doubt seriously that Steve Jobs would even care. That said, I don't have the foggiest reason how I know that Steve wouldn't want their heads but it sounded good. I do know from Steve's past accomplishments, that if he did get their heads, he'd shrink them down to the smallest form factor he can possibly get them.

As for Tim Cook, now he is a Jobs clone with upgraded social skills and will carry Apple into the future masterfully.
post #64 of 131
But Apple won't support those, whereas Microsoft will support Windows on a Mac using Boot Camp. Hackintosh is a hacked version, not kewl to use it.
post #65 of 131
How much did Microsoft pay Intel to put this BS out? These new devices will be undone by the operating system, not the processor design. Intel is delusional.
post #66 of 131
If you ask users what they want from a mobile device and one of the top four answers is portable, I think you better leave the focus group testing to mommy and daddy.
post #67 of 131
The Dell XPS 13 is the nicest non-Apple Ultrabook I have seen. (the MBA is an Ultrabook IMO). If you are a Windows person or your organization doesn't support Macs, the XPS 13 is definitely worth considering...
post #68 of 131
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Sorry, but I don't see it. ARM just doesn't have the power to handle a laptop at this point. Maybe eventually, but not now.

I see your point but we're talking hypotheticals. I don't know much about chips. So I'm not qualified to say what they can or can't do. However, I can't see Apple spending $278m for PA Semi if they didn't see an opportunity to make ARM much better than it is today and for their full future lineup. Maybe A6 Maybe A9 I haven't a clue but it could be sooner than we think.
post #69 of 131
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

Wasn't it already proven that people do not want that convertible laptop/tablet crap?

Yes. But, they keep hoping that the 10th time's a charm.

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post #70 of 131
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The Dell XPS 13 is the nicest non-Apple Ultrabook I have seen. (the MBA is an Ultrabook IMO). If you are a Windows person or your organization doesn't support Macs, the XPS 13 is definitely worth considering...

All other laptops are essentially unusable after using a MacBook because of their inferior trackpad.
post #71 of 131
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Originally Posted by ljocampo View Post

I see your point but we're talking hypotheticals. I don't know much about chips. So I'm not qualified to say what they can or can't do. However, I can't see Apple spending $278m for PA Semi if they didn't see an opportunity to make ARM much better than it is today and for their full future lineup. Maybe A6 Maybe A9 I haven't a clue but it could be sooner than we think.

They've gotten their money's worth from PA. Just the iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV use enough A-series chips to make it worthwhile.

I'm sure they'll continue improving the ARM chips, but they have a long way to go to catch up to Intel - and Intel is continuing to improve at the same time. Plus, Intel is apparently getting closer to releasing a chip that would compete well with ARM.

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The Dell XPS 13 is the nicest non-Apple Ultrabook I have seen. (the MBA is an Ultrabook IMO). If you are a Windows person or your organization doesn't support Macs, the XPS 13 is definitely worth considering...

Starting at $1429 and not shipping for over a month for the Dell.

Just buy a MacBook Air and install Windows on it.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

An entry level MacBook Pro pictured next to a totally tricked out PC notebook with the latest quad core i7, a fancy discrete video chip with tons of VRAM, double the RAM, double the storage, etc.

The kicker? In almost every case the high end PC carries a lower price tag than the entry level Mac.

I like OS X and the aluminum unibody case is very practical, but there's no denying that Mac buyers pay a huge premium for them.

The premium isn't that huge in most cases. The problem w/those higher specced pc laptops is that most of them have from 1/8-1/2 the battery life. There are some laptops w/pimped out video that don't last even a single hour. Not too portable really.


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I wish Apple would embrace USB 3.

They will as soon as Intel does. Ivy Bridge has USB3 support built in, so expect it with all the new Apple systems this year.
post #73 of 131
ha! ha! funniest thing i've read all daynext to adam sandler and his razzies.
post #74 of 131
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Originally Posted by roontoon View Post

What kind of crack are they smokin'?

Intel can suck it!!
Ironic nice they provide chips for all the macs.
post #75 of 131
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Originally Posted by Wings View Post

You have GOT to be kidding me.

I think what's going on here with Windows users is what they call Stockholm Syndrome.
post #76 of 131
iPad doesn't have Intel Inside.

iPad is future of computing, etc.

Intel not happy.


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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So Intel is against against devices that don't uses their processors. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Except Apple is one of the biggest users of Intel chips. And in the 'ultra book' class Apple is the leading purchaser. So why does Intel favor one user over another?

Intel should not be pissing off one of their biggest customers, and one of the FEW companies that can turn the world against Intel compatible cpus.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Intel has clearly noticed the plateauing of PC sales which seem to a direct result of the iPad's emergence as well as the rapid increase in ARM development to the point that even Windows can now run on ARM so they created the Ultrabook platform for Windows-based PC vendors as a way of trying to lock in premium CPU sales. Is that correct?

Yes. This is aimed at Microsoft, not at Apple.

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Originally Posted by Woodlink View Post

Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.

And perhaps they should.

Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.

They pretty much are at this point.
post #79 of 131
Reading the MacWorld/PC World UK article, and it seems to me like nothing too outlandish. Intel doesn't make Macs, they sell chips to everyone. The two Intel reps are plugging their stuff. They don't dis Macs, even the "The MacBook Air is a great product, sure. It has the Intel Core processor, it's a great choice for someone who wants to invest in the Mac operating system" is just typical speak from a vendor who services both sides of the OS world and needs to shore up a little enthusiasm for where the rest of their chips are going so their stock might go from X to XY, chuckling as we are at the joy of Windows reference.

Given that they service (nearly?) every other major computer maker in the world with chips for Windows machines it doesn't really read that ridiculously given the context. They don't live or die based on how Macs sell. Naturally it's foolish talk, but it's not as if they said anything crazy (as far as anyone except Apple forums are concerned). They (or someone) need to sell some Windows Ultrabooks, so here it is.
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Originally Posted by NoahJ View Post

This line says it all:

When asked to compare existing and future products against the popular MacBook Air, the pair noted that the device is powered by an Intel Core processor, shares some of the same attributes as an Ultrabook and represents a "great choice for someone who wants to invest in the Mac operating system."

"But really, with the Ultrabook, it's about offering all those things in the same device--the great responsiveness, the great battery life--and with an operating system that people have come to love over the years, as well as all the legacy applications that they would like to run," they said.


For them it is all about getting this running Windows.

Intel doesn't make money on Windows. They make money on chips. The big problem is they should have been more careful. It does look like they were taken out of context, but they should be careful to not make comparisons to one of their customer's products.

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Ah, yes. I've been to an Apple Store too.

Seriously, ultrabooks are just blatant copies of the MBA. That's fine. I have no problem with copying a good design. But they bring nothing new, except the likelihood of poor quality knockoffs.

I do have a bit of a problem with copying designs, whether or not they add something to it. There's a difference between inspiration and copying, and sadly, it's mostly a cloner market now.

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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

Cheap and plentiful is what the PC business is all about.
Wealth transfer from customers to shareholders is what Apple is all about.

Open your local Best Buy flyer and you're likely to see some variation on this:

An entry level MacBook Pro pictured next to a totally tricked out PC notebook with the latest quad core i7, a fancy discrete video chip with tons of VRAM, double the RAM, double the storage, etc.

The kicker? In almost every case the high end PC carries a lower price tag than the entry level Mac.

I like OS X and the aluminum unibody case is very practical, but there's no denying that Mac buyers pay a huge premium for them.

In a way, that's true, but sometimes the OS alone is worth the difference. I regret the Windows notebook I bought last year. The screen was lower resolution and had a poor viewing angle, the chassis and case is flimsy, the unit is heavy, the ergonomics are bad, I had to uninstall a lot of software cruft, and the default settings for something the track pad were out of whack. One can buy something based on price, but sometimes you get what you pay for. And this was a $900 laptop.

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Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post

Well they could always start to use AMD, which have much slower procesors. Or maybe use ARM designs for their desktops which again cant compete with Intel desktop processors AND will require a rewrite of more or less all desktop programs.

face it, its intel or you are screwed.

Its just a comment. Is that what it takes to get this army going?

Fine, go to AMD and enjoy your second rate performance. Or go to ARM and enjoy lagging WAYYYY behind in the power stakes.

This comment looks like you forgot what you were talking about and wrote it a second time.
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