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Apple is gearing up to begin production of its new thinner and lighter MacBook Pros, with production of the new 15-inch model set to begin first in mid-April.

Mass production of the new 15-inch MacBook Pro will see initial monthly shipments of , according to DigiTimes. The new notebooks are expected to be powered by Intel's next-generation Ivy Bridge processors.

On the heels of the new 15-inch model, Apple is expected to begin building the thinner 13-inch MacBook Pro in June. For the smaller variant, initial monthly shipments are expected to be greater, reportedly falling between 300,000 and 400,000 units.

The latest report is consistent with previous claims that the 15-inch MacBook Pro would go into production first, and could arrive as early as this month. But Tuesday's report also suggests initial shipments of the 15-inch model will be slightly greater than was previously expected, as earlier reports claimed that initial monthly shipments would be between 100,000 and 150,000.

AppleInsider reported in February that Apple is gearing up to introduce radically redesigned MacBook Pro models this year, borrowing the ultra-thin design the company pioneered with its MacBook Air. One person familiar with the new MacBook Pro designs indicated "they're all going to look like MacBook Airs."




Like the highly successful MacBook Air, the new MacBook Pros are expected to ditch the built-in optical drive, allowing them to have a thinner and lighter design.

Intel plans to release Ivy Bridge chips that are seen as likely candidates for Apple's next-generation Macs at the end of this month. In particular, new quad-core Ivy Bridge processors are expected to officially go on sale April 29.

Among those chips are the Core i7-3720QM and Core i7-3820QM, both of which have been rumored to make their way into Apple's MacBook Pro lineup. Both chips will feature Intel's HD 4000 integrated graphics.

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Can't wait. Been waiting for this update! Really hoping they use the saved space of no optical drive for faster pro features (external gfx in the 13") rather than simply just slim them up.
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An initial production run of 200,000 15" MacBook Pros doesn't seem aspirational. I am considering buying three 15" MacBook Pros just this year. I have told everyone considering a laptop to wait until the end of April as well. Likewise, I have seen a lot of others here who are waiting for the latest refresh to purchase systems.
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With no optical drive and no hard drive, what's to distinguish the 13" Pro from the 13" Air? Just asking.
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With no optical drive and no hard drive, what's to distinguish the 13" Pro from the 13" Air? Just asking.

Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.
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Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.

More ports. user-replacable RAM, larger battery for longer life, HiDPI display....

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Like the highly successful MacBook Air, the new MacBook Pros are expected to ditch the built-in optical drive, allowing them to have a thinner and lighter design.

Still believe the built-in optical drive makes the MBP distinct from the MBA. It's called Pro after all. Perhaps the 17" will retain the optical.

Really looking forward to the Ivy chips.
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An initial production run of 200,000 15" MacBook Pros doesn't seem aspirational.

Well, the "report" comes from Digitimes which should clue you in: it's a bogus rumor.

Their track record is abysmal, a joke really.
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Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.

The bolded is not true for the current 13" MBP.
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Well, the "report" comes from Digitimes which should clue you in: it's a bogus rumor.

Their track record is abysmal, a joke really.

Hence my comment.
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Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.

So, what does "Dual HDs mean, when it's likely to run flash storage? You don't think there will be standard SSDs do you? And two of them? Sounds like wasted space.
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Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.

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So, what does "Dual HDs mean, when it's likely to run flash storage? You don't think there will be standard SSDs do you? And two of them? Sounds like wasted space.

I haven't seen any evidence that Apple will do this, but I'd like to see a smaller (64 GB, perhaps) SSD for the OS and a larger platter hard disk (500 GB - 1 TB) for the data. That would allow most of the performance benefits without greatly increasing the cost or restricting the user to relatively limited storage.
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I hope the 13" "Pro" has quad core ivy bridge and a dGPU, after removing the optical drive they would have space to work with. There are quad Ivy Bridge models with TDPs as low as the current dual in it. Otherwise, why not just merge it with the Air. Really hoping the former happens.

Now I'm wondering what the letdown will be. There's always all these rumors but I very much doubt they will switch processors, change the chassis, and introduce retina MBPs all at once, I'm guessing the last won't happen yet.
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The bolded is not true for the current 13" MBP.

He was responding to what would still differentiate the hypothetical future model, without the optical drive. Without the ODD they would have thermal headroom and space for the GPU die, and space for battery to make up for it.
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An initial production run of 200,000 15" MacBook Pros doesn't seem aspirational. I am considering buying three 15" MacBook Pros just this year. I have told everyone considering a laptop to wait until the end of April as well. Likewise, I have seen a lot of others here who are waiting for the latest refresh to purchase systems.

That is a lot of laptops for a launch. You have to remember nobody sells laptops the way phones and even iPads sell.

As to waiting that is very very good advice. I expect Ivy Bridge in and of itself to be a big step forward, combine that with a complete overhaul of the product and it could be very compelling. I just hope Apple doesn't screw it up and do something silly like give us one USB port and one TB port and say that is good enough.

As for me I was going to wait another year but my current MBP has issues and frankly I don't know if it is worth repairing even if I DIY. The right MBP might just get me to move that purchase up a year. I'm just not convinced that Apple will deliver the product I want anyways. All the parts of the puzzle are there they just need to put them together the right way.
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Still believe the built-in optical drive makes the MBP distinct from the MBA. It's called Pro after all. Perhaps the 17" will retain the optical.

Really looking forward to the Ivy chips.

I don't understand what is 'pro' about an optical drive. What do you need it for? I haven't bought physical software installation disks for over two years now, what use does it serve? I'm sure there will be a peripheral available for those that need one, but i can't imagine why anyone would need this in a portable device.
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This is great news for prosumers. These stunning new MacBook Pros are shaping up to be among the most incredible ever. I can't wait to place my order.
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I think I see the argument some are discussing. It is arguable that the 13" MacBook Air is a better value versus the 13" MacBook Pro.

MacBook Air 13" @ $1599 + $79 (MacBook Air SuperDrive)
1.7GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor with 3MB shared L3 cache
4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 onboard memory
Intel HD Graphics 3000
[COLOR="rgb(46, 139, 87)"]256 SSD HD[/COLOR]
MacBook Air SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Bluetooth 4.0
Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)
Thunderbolt port
SD card slot
Full-size backlit keyboard

MacBook Pro 13" @ $1499 + $500 ("upgrade" to 256 GB SSD HD)
[COLOR="rgb(46, 139, 87)"]2.8GHz dual-core Intel Core i7 processor with 6MB shared L3 cache[/COLOR]
4GB of 1333MHz DDR3 memory
Intel HD Graphics 3000
750GB ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm (add $500 for 256 GB SSD HD)
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Gigabit Ethernet port
Bluetooth 2.1
FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)
Two USB 2.0 ports (up to 480 Mbps)
Thunderbolt port (up to 10 Gbps)
Audio line in
Audio line out
[COLOR="rgb(46, 139, 87)"]SDXC card slot[/COLOR]
Full-size backlit keyboard

We can see few differences currently but based on currently shipping products for other markets and rumors we can surmise that the following features are potential differentiators for the MacBook Pro product line versus the MacBook Air product line:

Retina Display
Higher processor clock speeds (possibly quad-core as well)
Higher RAM
Larger SSD Hard drives (256 GB minimum, upgrade to 512 GB)
Discrete graphics (I think this is the least likely feature)

Considering that the primary differentiators for the MacBook Pro line are discrete graphics and additional processing power, Apple may have difficulty creating a value proposition for the 13" MacBook Pro without a Retina Display and discrete graphics. Right now, in my opinion, the 13" MacBook Air is a far superior value versus the 13" MacBook Pro. Apple needs drastic changes to differentiate the two product lines.
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With no optical drive and no hard drive, what's to distinguish the 13" Pro from the 13" Air? Just asking.

You seem to be jumping to conclusions there.

In answer to your other question, a discrete GPU and a HiDPI screen would set a 13" MBP off from an AIR. Also expandable RAM would be very important in any machine labeled MBP. Let's not forget though that the MBPs CPU has always ran much faster than the AIRs.

Beyond that other things that could go into a MBP include more USB ports supporting USB3 and high current. An additional TB port. An Ethernet port. A slot for a LTE modem of your choice.
A TV tuner. A Laser based projector. Navigation hardware (GPS, compass and so forth). A parallel port for the hacker in all of us ( yes very wishful thinking). Speaking of some of these features, like the tuner or GPS, it would be very nice to have a well defined Internal expansion port, something accessible to yes even hardware hackers.

The above are just rational ideas. One could go a bit farther and suggest all sorts of things, but I think you see there are many possibilities. However the idea I like best is that the flash storage modules are PCI Express based and that the slots are general enough to power things other than flash storage. So say the 13" machine comes with 2 of these "slots", one would provide for access outside the case and thus could support expansion or additional functionality or serve its primary purpose as a storage slot. This way one could get all sorts of custom functionality into a MBP and as long as you have more than one slot not impact the machines performance. Thus you could have internal cards for GPS hardware, extra USB ports or what have you.

Again though wishful thinking, I just don't see a problem at all with setting the 13" MBP off from the AIR. The 13" MBP is already a good seller as it is even with the AIR available cheaper.
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Still believe the built-in optical drive makes the MBP distinct from the MBA. It's called Pro after all. Perhaps the 17" will retain the optical.

Really looking forward to the Ivy chips.

I'm not sure I will miss the optical or not, frankly I don't use it much anymore. I do however have to carry an external drive around with me all the time. So an MBP that can handle a 1TB or larger internal HD in addition to the SSD would be very welcomed. I really don't see how dropping the optical is such a big deal these days.

As for the idea that the optical has anything at all to do with making the two products distinct I think that is bogus. Even today the MBP have CPUs easily twice as fast as the ones in the AIRs, combine that with RAM expansion, more internal storage and other features and you have a very different machine. In a nut shell there are major performance differences between the two models.
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Let's go Apple, 20 hour battery life!
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An initial production run of 200,000 15" MacBook Pros doesn't seem aspirational. I am considering buying three 15" MacBook Pros just this year. I have told everyone considering a laptop to wait until the end of April as well. Likewise, I have seen a lot of others here who are waiting for the latest refresh to purchase systems.

Apple's entire computer business (including iMacs, MacPros and their entire range of laptops from 11" Airs to 17" MacPros) now accounts for less than a quarter of Apple's revenue.

There is a reason why Apple dropped the word Computer from their name.
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The bolded is not true for the current 13" MBP.

Frankly I'm a bit worried anyways, about the 13" MBP, as this is not the first indication that it might not come until June. If so there is a real possibility that we will end up with a dual core CPU again! Now that would really suck. If not dual core, a processor with a marginal GPU. I was really hoping that Ivy Bridge would bring quad core to the 13" MBP.
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I don't understand what is 'pro' about an optical drive. What do you need it for? I haven't bought physical software installation disks for over two years now, what use does it serve? I'm sure there will be a peripheral available for those that need one, but i can't imagine why anyone would need this in a portable device.

Not everyone uses it as a portable device, some use it as a desktop replacement. I don't have a problem with them ditching the optical drive as I can always buy an external unit. I use my optical drive to rip CDs into iTunes. Also not all the software is on the Mac AppStore yet, for example X-Plane 10 is only available on disk from what I can find. I think Adobe CS is still only available on disk as well. Things move on but it will be some time before all of us can leave the optical disk behind.
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So, what does "Dual HDs mean, when it's likely to run flash storage? You don't think there will be standard SSDs do you? And two of them? Sounds like wasted space.

Wasted space? You got to be kidding. One of the major drawbacks to the AIRs is simply not having enough storage space on board. That in and of itself justifies the 13" MBPs existence. The problem today is that Flash is expensive so Apple needs a way to allow users to address that economically and the best way to do that is with multiple bays/slots.
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I'm not sure I will miss the optical or not, frankly I don't use it much anymore. I do however have to carry an external drive around with me all the time. So an MBP that can handle a 1TB or larger internal HD in addition to the SSD would be very welcomed. I really don't see how dropping the optical is such a big deal these days.

I rarely use the optical drive in the MBP and could easily just use a USB drive to transfer big .dmgs, .movs between non-highspeed networked machines. I do hope they come with available no contract unlocked cell data built in like the iPad. I'm definitely ready since I can't upgrade to ML until I replace my current MBP. I'm also ready for a new iMac as well. I think they will be coming very soon to coincide with ML release.

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Dual hd's, faster cpu, discrete graphics, firewire, more ram as standard.

You mean in the same way the current 13" MBP is distinguished from the 13" MBA by having a discrete GPU?
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I suspect the MB Air moniker will disappear as will MB Pro. Don't forget Apple's obsession with simplifying the product names. One can easily envision the names
Macbook 11
Macbook 13
Macbook 15
Macbook 17
which would mean that the only decision left to the consumer is how big; seems simple to me. I'm just hoping that the MB 15 can take 16 Gb of ram, 'cause I have 4 on my 2010 and it hangs up more often than it should, especially when working with 300Mb+ files
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Wasted space? You got to be kidding. One of the major drawbacks to the AIRs is simply not having enough storage space on board. That in and of itself justifies the 13" MBPs existence. The problem today is that Flash is expensive so Apple needs a way to allow users to address that economically and the best way to do that is with multiple bays/slots.

My thought was...since it's rumored the Pros will be much like the Airs (think thin) then why waste space putting in standard "2.5 inch" SSDs, especially two of them, when it would take up a lot less space just using a bunch of flash chips. I don't think a standard SSD would even fit into the current MBA case, would it? Maybe the Pros will be a little thicker, but not likely.

I agree with what you're implying, that a Pro computer should have lots of storage. Knowing Apple, I think it's likely the only option will be flash storage at whatever price they want to charge. Spinning HD drives are a thing of the past, don't you know?
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Not everyone uses it as a portable device, some use it as a desktop replacement. I don't have a problem with them ditching the optical drive as I can always buy an external unit. I use my optical drive to rip CDs into iTunes. Also not all the software is on the Mac AppStore yet, for example X-Plane 10 is only available on disk from what I can find. I think Adobe CS is still only available on disk as well. Things move on but it will be some time before all of us can leave the optical disk behind.

Adobe CS is available as a download, haven't bothered with discs since cs4. Can't think of a single reason for an optical drive as standard...
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I'm just hoping that the MB 15 can take 16 Gb of ram, 'cause I have 4 on my 2010 and it hangs up more often than it should, especially when working with 300Mb+ files

All 2011 MacBook Pros can take 16GB of RAM. The 2012 replacements should as well.
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I don't understand what is 'pro' about an optical drive. What do you need it for?

At one time it was a requirement for business as all sorts of files where transferred that way. Outside of transfers you had bootable CDs that could be used for system maintenance. Then there is the backup of important files.
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I haven't bought physical software installation disks for over two years now, what use does it serve?

Some people are farther behind than others! For example most of the uses above have been replaced with network access, web (external networks), and USB dongles. Now a days most of my optical usage is for the viewing of movies and frankly it is far more desirable to have a collection of those internally on the HD.
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I'm sure there will be a peripheral available for those that need one, but i can't imagine why anyone would need this in a portable device.

There isn't any reason other than movies these days. As I mentioned this isn't even the ideal solution anymore when you have the option of movies on your internal storage or streaming.
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This is great news for prosumers. These stunning new MacBook Pros are shaping up to be among the most incredible ever. I can't wait to place my order.

I must admit to being tempted.
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You mean in the same way the current 13" MBP is distinguished from the 13" MBA by having a discrete GPU?

Wrong. The current 13" MBP does NOT have a discrete GPU. Check the specs.
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I think I see the argument some are discussing. It is arguable that the 13" MacBook Air is a better value versus the 13" MacBook Pro.

Deleted a bunch of stuff.

However the arguement is not about which is a better value but which fits certain users needs better.
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We can see few differences currently but based on currently shipping products for other markets and rumors we can surmise that the following features are potential differentiators for the MacBook Pro product line versus the MacBook Air product line:

Retina Display
Higher processor clock speeds (possibly quad-core as well)
Higher RAM
Larger SSD Hard drives (256 GB minimum, upgrade to 512 GB)
Discrete graphics (I think this is the least likely feature)

The clock speed alone is a significant advantage as is the ability to add more RAM.
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Considering that the primary differentiators for the MacBook Pro line are discrete graphics and additional processing power, Apple may have difficulty creating a value proposition for the 13" MacBook Pro without a Retina Display and discrete graphics. Right now, in my opinion, the 13" MacBook Air is a far superior value versus the 13" MacBook Pro. Apple needs drastic changes to differentiate the two product lines.

That is largely your opinion! Sales of the MBP tell a different story. Honestly though it isn't the machine that is important but rather the users needs. This dictates which one gets purchased not some sort of phones value equation that supposedly applies to all users. To that end the MBP gets choosen over the AIRs by many people every day because it better fits their needs.
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Apple's entire computer business (including iMacs, MacPros and their entire range of laptops from 11" Airs to 17" MacPros) now accounts for less than a quarter of Apple's revenue.

There is a reason why Apple dropped the word Computer from their name.

It might even be less than a quarter by now, but Apple is still Agressively taking share from the leaders in the computer industry. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them effectively at the top of the heap in a few quarters. That is without the aid of iPhone and iPad which are computers too.

In fact I could see Apple leading the industry rather quickly if they could introduce desktops that would actually sell to the business world.
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Adobe CS is available as a download, haven't bothered with discs since cs4. Can't think of a single reason for an optical drive as standard...

If you can't think of a reason you need an optical disk... you are not a "pro" user. Or at least not a "creative pro user".
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I do hope they come with available no contract unlocked cell data built in like the iPad.

I see this come up every so often and I just don't think this is something we will ever see from Apple. I believe they will leave these solutions to your wireless carrier so you can get whatever solution they provide. I wouldn't want them building in a CDMA option if I lived in Europe and really, living here in the US, I have no interest in that option so it would be wasted space and money for me.

This feels like a very niche market need to me.
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I rarely use the optical drive in the MBP and could easily just use a USB drive to transfer big .dmgs, .movs between non-highspeed networked machines. I do hope they come with available no contract unlocked cell data built in like the iPad. I'm definitely ready since I can't upgrade to ML until I replace my current MBP.

sounds like your MBP is rather old! As such any upgrade you get should look impressive.
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I'm also ready for a new iMac as well. I think they will be coming very soon to coincide with ML release.

Unfortunately I'm not a big fan at all of the current iMac design! I'd rather see the often mentioned XMac. That being said the chips that will be available for a new iMac design could result in a very impressive design performance wise. I just won't go the iMac route until Apple addresses the serviceability issues. The laptops prove they can do a decent design so there is hope.
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There is a huge difference between a MBP that looks something like an AIR and one that actually suffers from all the limitations of the AIRs. As I mentioned in another note the 13"MBP still sells extremely well even with the AIR sitting right next to it. That is due directly to the "extras" that make for far better performance.

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I suspect the MB Air moniker will disappear as will MB Pro. Don't forget Apple's obsession with simplifying the product names. One can easily envision the names
Macbook 11
Macbook 13
Macbook 15
Macbook 17
which would mean that the only decision left to the consumer is how big; seems simple to me. I'm just hoping that the MB 15 can take 16 Gb of ram, 'cause I have 4 on my 2010 and it hangs up more often than it should, especially when working with 300Mb+ files

You see you describe precisely why an all AIR line up is such a bad thing. For many users simply being able to add that extra RAM is a huge advantage in the MBPs. For many the advantage is in being able to run VMs.
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