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Picked up my Galaxy Note about 4 hours ago, LOVING it so far. Can't believe how small my 3GS is in comparison. Everything on this phone is so smooth. Don't understand why everybody hates on this OS.

I bet there's an awesome Samsung site that you could excitedly discuss your satisfaction with fellow Galaxy enthusiasts.
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I bet there's an awesome Samsung site that you could excitedly discuss your satisfaction with fellow Galaxy enthusiasts.

The fandroids seem more interested in putting down anyone who doesn't choose the same device as them.

It's perfectly normal for people to come to a fan site to discuss a product they like with people. I don't think I'll ever understand people who go out of their way to go to a site to harp on a product they don't use and are proud to state that they wouldn't be caught dead using.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/iphone-is...zon-and-sprint

iphone is best-selling smartphone at at&t, verizon and sprint

according to data collected by canaccord genuity, the apple iphone line is the best-selling smartphone at at&t, verizon and sprint, the three largest network providers in the usa, and possibly outsells all other smartphones combined at those companies, reports allthingsd.

The data from canaccord genuity examined the sales of individual handset models across the top four wireless network operators in the u.s. From december, 2011 to march, 2012. The iphone line was the leader at all companies except t-mobile usa, where it is not available. At at&t, verizon and sprint, the iphone 4s was the top model in every month between december to march.

"our march checks indicated the iphone continues to extend its market share gains," mike walkley, a canaccord genuity analyst wrote. "in fact, we believe iphones are outselling all other smartphones combined at sprint and at&t and selling at roughly equal volume to all android smartphones at verizon."

informationweek notes that at&t sells more than two dozen smartphone models, some of which have already seen successful sales numbers, such as the samsung galaxy note, htc vivid and samsung galaxy s ii skyrocket. Selling more than those and 20 or so other models combined is an impressive statistic.

apple itself accounted for 80% of the profits in the handset industry during the fourth quarter. Combined with samsung, the two companies' profits accounted for 95% of the entire industry.

"our global checks also indicated another quarter of strong market share gains for samsung, particularly in europe and asia," walkley wrote. "in fact, we believe samsung's strong smartphone portfolio across all price tiers will result in samsung's smartphone shipments increasing a remarkable 15%-plus sequentially during the seasonally weak march quarter."

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The fandroids seem more interested in putting down anyone who doesn't choose the same device as them.

It's perfectly normal for people to come to a fan site to discuss a product they like with people. I don't think I'll ever understand people who go out of their way to go to a site to harp on a product they don't use and are proud to state that they wouldn't be caught dead using.

as with anyone or anything, you KNOW you are THE BEST when so many do behave that way. it shows how lame they and the products they think they can brag about are.

need to be given away for free = lame
thus, for the "lame"
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It's perfectly normal for people to come to a fan site to discuss a product they like with people. I don't think I'll ever understand people who go out of their way to go to a site to harp on a product they don't use and are proud to state that they wouldn't be caught dead using.

It's something that AI encourages. There's few positive articles on Apple business plans or results that don't also compare Google at the same time. This site actively encourages discussion of the two side by side, sometimes mentioning Google (and occasionally Microsoft) in ways mostly unrelated to the article itself.

AI wants "fandroids" in the forums, otherwise it wouldn't have so many articles and references to Google and/or Android.

There's your explanation.

If you can't tolerate comments from those that disagree with often-questionable statements AI throws out there about competing platforms, perhaps Apple's own forums would be a better match. There you can discuss Apple issues in a generally happy Apple-controlled environment, "fandroid-free" for the most part.

As for AI that's not what they're about. They go out of their way to attract fans of Apple competitors as it's good for visits and eyeballs, which means it's good for raising revenue. At the end of the day AI is here to make money. Keeping it a happy isolated Apple forum free from opposing views won't do it.
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It's something that AI encourages. There's few positive articles on Apple business plans or results that don't also compare Google at the same time. This site actively encourages discussion of the two side by side, sometimes mentioning Google (and occasionally Microsoft) in ways mostly unrelated to the article itself.

AI wants "fandroids" in the forums, otherwise it wouldn't have so many articles and references to Google and/or Android.

There's your explanation.

If you can't tolerate comments from those that disagree with often-questionable statements AI throws out there about competing platforms, perhaps Apple's own forums would be a better match. There you can discuss Apple issues in a generally happy Apple-controlled environment, "fandroid-free" for the most part.

As for AI that's not what they're about. They go out of their way to attract fans of Apple competitors as it's good for visits and eyeballs, which means it's good for raising revenue. At the end of the day AI is here to make money. Keeping it a happy isolated Apple forum free from opposing views won't do it.

That still doesn't explain why Android fans come here. I've never been to an Android fan site. Couldn't be bothered because I really don't give a shit what they say about Apple, if and when they do say anything about Apple.
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That still doesn't explain why Android fans come here. I've never been to an Android fan site. Couldn't be bothered because I really don't give a shit what they say about Apple, if and when they do say anything about Apple.

I suppose AI must have a well-designed successful business strategy to attract them. Speaks more to AI's success in getting their message out than anything IMO.

The far newer Android-centric sites may not as readily recognize that encouraging a little dispute by daily posting of anti-Apple articles might get more attention than simply discussing Android features and news like all the other Android forums. Any anti-Apple article at any site is guaranteed to bring out the faithful attacks.
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What's even funnier is that a recent article showed that Google makes 80% of its mobile ad revenue from iOS. The fandroid community was trying to spin it as a victory for Google.

The reality is that Apple is slowly gutting iOS from Google so in the not too distant future Apple will have jettisoned Google services from it and they will be in a position to scratch their heads and wonder where the heck they will get they new mobile revenue.

Android's a joke. A big parking lot of advertising billboards. Such a mess.


fAndroids try to spin every disadvantage as an advantage, it is their modus operandi:


Lack of good Ecosystem = "iPhone is closed"
Lack of privacy and security = "free apps and open source" and "Apple does it too!"
Lack of software updates = "over-the-air software updates" (to get a one year old OS)
Poor battery life = "replaceable battery"
Poor build quality = "replaceable battery" and "iPhone glass cracks" (fact: higher percentage of Android phones are returned due to hardware issues)
Poor user interface = "customizable" and "higher clock speeds with more RAM" (fact: iPhones performance rivals newer competitor's phones)
Software defects = "wait till 'Zabione' is released!"
Task management for reasonable battery life = "superior multi-tasking"


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That still doesn't explain why Android fans come here. I've never been to an Android fan site.

I think it is fair to assume they are members of Postloop and thus paid to post. Postloop is demonstrably anti-Apple; likely because Apple won't pay them to post on blogs.
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The fandroids seem more interested in putting down anyone who doesn't choose the same device as them.

It's perfectly normal for people to come to a fan site to discuss a product they like with people. I don't think I'll ever understand people who go out of their way to go to a site to harp on a product they don't use and are proud to state that they wouldn't be caught dead using.

Deception and derision are the only tools available when reason and rationality favor the opposition. Apple iPhone is demonstrably superior in virtually every aspect of a modern smartphone. Not surprisingly, the Apple iPhone is the archetype of the modern smartphone.
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I think it is fair to assume they are members of Postloop and thus paid to post. Postloop is demonstrably anti-Apple; likely because Apple won't pay them to post on blogs.

Post Loop??

EDIT: They say they're an exchange where forum and blog owners can go to pay for posters. I doubt seriously that AI needs to pay to get comments.
http://www.postloop.com/

That's an odd site to be familiar with so can I assume you're a member or have other dealings with them?
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post #52 of 77
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I suppose AI must have a well-designed successful business strategy to attract them. Speaks more to AI's success in getting their message out than anything IMO.

The far newer Android-centric sites may not as readily recognize that encouraging a little dispute by daily posting of anti-Apple articles might get more attention than simply discussing Android features and news like all the other Android forums. Any anti-Apple article at any site is guaranteed to bring out the faithful attacks.

Hmmm... still didn't get it, eh?!

I'll make it plainer.

You'd have to be a bonehead to be bothered coming onto a site where you have nothing in common with the main body of people and also come onto the site just to attack the people and the product.

I don't think AI has to be too skilled to fish for assholes. They seem to be in abundant supply and ready to take the bait.
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post #53 of 77
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Apple iPhone is demonstrably superior is virtually every aspect of a modern smartphone.

"Nuh uh, screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size"

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post #54 of 77
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Hmmm... still didn't get it, eh?!

I'll make it plainer.

You'd have to be a bonehead to be bothered coming onto a site where you have nothing in common with the main body of people and also come onto the site just to attack the people and the product.

I don't think AI has to be too skilled to fish for assholes. They seem to be in abundant supply and ready to take the bait.

IMO it's you that doesn't "get it". It's good you don't depend on a living by hosting a forum. There's no reason for AI to insert Android in nearly every story if they would rather those interested in Android ignored it.

As I said earlier, if you want to avoid users of other OS's and their views, Apple themselves have a very active and informative forum that might be a better match for what you're looking for. AI is going to attract discussion, and it's obviously by design and intent if you pay any attention at all.
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I looked at one in a store this afternoon. The screen seems great for a portable web browser. It didn't feel WAY TOO HUGE to hold up to my ear - it fits in the palm of your hand, and landline phones are much bigger. A little big for the pocket tho.

Funny enough its become a real girls phone almost all of my friends have been converted over to the Note. We just put them into our purses so I guess it doesnt feel as big as when the guys have to carry around in their jean pockets.
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IMO it's you that doesn't "get it". It's good you don't depend on a living by hosting a forum. There's no reason for AI to insert Android in nearly every story if they would rather those interested in Android ignored it.

As I said earlier, if you want to avoid users of other OS's and their views, Apple themselves have a very active and informative forum that might be a better match for what you're looking for. AI is going to attract discussion, and it's obviously by design and intent if you pay any attention at all.

Still not getting it, eh!

As I said, and I can't make it any plainer, you could name Apple more than Android on an Android fan site. You could post more Apple stories than Android stories on an Android fan site. You still won't find me over there making comments. I couldn't be bothered. I may seem like an asshole but I'm not that much of an asshole (or moron or idiot) that I would go out of my way to harass fans from a competing product on their own fan site.
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"Nuh uh, screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size"

Just think what will happen, though, if Apple does make a 4 inch iPhone (imho anything larger than 4" is not necessary... ask my Wife).
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Still not getting it, eh!

As I said, and I can't make it any plainer, you could name Apple more than Android on an Android fan site. You could post more Apple stories than Android stories on an Android fan site. You still won't find me over there making comments. I couldn't be bothered. I may seem like an asshole but I'm not that much of an asshole (or moron or idiot) that I would go out of my way to harass fans from a competing product on their own fan site.

And that works out well for you. Some other Apple fans are not quite so reticent about posting their displeasure at any article (or blogger) that doesn't cast Apple in the perfect light.

I still haven't seen your opinion on why AI would have so many Android specific articles if they weren't intended to attract those with an interest in Android. Surely the forum management isn't so clueless as to wonder why fans of some other OS or product would feel compelled to comment, so there must be another explanation. Yours is. . .?
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"Nuh uh, screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size screen size…"

Doh, you got me. I bow to the superiority of ... Wait... I often AirPlay content from my iPhone to my 42" television.
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Still not getting it, eh!

As I said, and I can't make it any plainer, you could name Apple more than Android on an Android fan site. You could post more Apple stories than Android stories on an Android fan site. You still won't find me over there making comments. I couldn't be bothered. I may seem like an asshole but I'm not that much of an asshole (or moron or idiot) that I would go out of my way to harass fans from a competing product on their own fan site.

Meh. I can't begrudge someone from trying to make money posting on forums although I have a lot of these jokers on "ignore."
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Meh. I can't begrudge someone from trying to make money posting on forums although I have a lot of these jokers on "ignore."

So again since you've avoided answering so far, have you made use of Post Loop or had other dealings with the company? I thought it unusual you knew about the site unless you've had some experience with them, paid or otherwise.

According to their homepage they offer their services to forum owners and blogger sites that want to appear more successful or "visited" than they might actually be by supplying paid posters for the site. Again repeating, I'd be shocked to find that AI has ever paid them to post responses in the forums. There's no need to with 300K pageviews a day and hundreds of comments. I call FUD.
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I still haven't seen your opinion on why AI would have so many Android specific articles if they weren't intended to attract those with an interest in Android. Surely the forum management isn't so clueless as to wonder why fans of some other OS or product would feel compelled to comment, so there must be another explanation. Yours is. . .?

Why would I have an opinion on that? I don't give a shit if they have Android articles on here and I don't give a shit about why they do it. It doesn't make the people who take the bait any less moronic.
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Why would I have an opinion on that? I don't give a shit if they have Android articles on here and I don't give a shit about why they do it.

So there you go. You have no interest in anything about Android or Google, which unfortunately is a major focus of AI. No wonder you get perturbed since the site is a poor match for your interests. I'm sure that's why they have more Apple-friendly sites, particularly those offered by Apple themselves.
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So there you go. You have no interest in anything about Android or Google, which unfortunately is a major focus of AI. No wonder you get perturbed since the site is a poor match for your interests. I'm sure that's why they have more Apple-friendly sites, particularly those offered by Apple themselves.



You are one of my main cases in point and your above comment just proves it.

By the way... I learn lots and lots and lots of stuff about Apple on here... but of course you would miss all that stuff because your main interest is Android.

Perturbed. I also don't give a shit if somebody posts their Android crap on here... it just seems overly moronic to me, but it doesn't mean I'm perturbed. I mean, really, what sort of an asshole could be bothered.
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I still haven't seen your opinion on why AI would have so many Android specific articles if they weren't intended to attract those with an interest in Android. Surely the forum management isn't so clueless as to wonder why fans of some other OS or product would feel compelled to comment, so there must be another explanation. Yours is. . .?

Android articles often involve Apple in some way. They're competing platforms and you'll often find them mentioned together because it's just germaine to to the topic.

It isn't done to attract Android users as such, but a lot of the time stats are released, and news is reported (and then re-posted by AI) that already includes Apple/Android comparisons and contrasts.

But it's been said before: trolling Apple on an Apple fansite is both counterproductive and downright nonsensical.
I'm sure the sort of reception you continue to get around here has already made this clear to you.

If you want to involve yourself in that sort of trolling, then go post on Neowin.
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You are one of my main cases in point and your above comment just proves it.

By the way... I learn lots and lots and lots of stuff about Apple on here... but of course you would miss all that stuff because your main interest is Android.

My main interest is Apple. I don't spend any time at all on Android forums. Any I've seen in the past have been boring to be honest. AI, Ars, Anandtech, 9to5, FOSSPatents, Groklaw, SEObythesea, PatentlyApple and PatentlyO are much more interesting to me.
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My main interest is Apple. I don't spend any time at all on Android forums. Any I've seen in the past have been boring to be honest. AI, Ars, Anandtech, 9to5, FOSSPatents, Groklaw, SEObythesea, PatentlyApple and PatentlyO are much more interesting to me.

Yeah, sure... we all believe you.
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You are one of my main cases in point and your above comment just proves it.

By the way... I learn lots and lots and lots of stuff about Apple on here... but of course you would miss all that stuff because your main interest is Android.

Like I stated, I highly recommend you put these guys on ignore. This is exactly the kind of garbage they prefer on Postloop.
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Like I stated, I highly recommend you put these guys on ignore. This is exactly the kind of garbage they prefer on Postloop.

Oh, he is on ignore... but occasionally I like to prod him a bit... and my post count was down.
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And that works out well for you. Some other Apple fans are not quite so reticent about posting their displeasure at any article (or blogger) that doesn't cast Apple in the perfect light.

I still haven't seen your opinion on why AI would have so many Android specific articles if they weren't intended to attract those with an interest in Android. Surely the forum management isn't so clueless as to wonder why fans of some other OS or product would feel compelled to comment, so there must be another explanation. Yours is. . .?

Classic confirmation bias.

There are currently 50 articles on AI's homepage. Of those, just a handful even mention any company but Apple, and of the ones that do the majority are about litigation or market share, which are topics that materially affect Apple. For instance, there's an article on the investigation into Motorola's effort to use FRAND patents to sue Apple, which is a perfectly reasonable topic for an Apple-centric site to report on.

I also see an article noting that "iOS and Android" now account for 80% of smart phone sales in the US, an article noting that iOS users use WiFi quite a bit more than their Android counterparts, an article noting that iOS devices can now be managed from RIM's servers, and article about Intel's claim that "Ultrabooks" will outperform Apple products, etc., all entirely legitimate topics for an Apple-centric website and hardly a clarion call for fandroid trolling.

I see just a few articles that explicitly discuss Apple's rivals outside of immediate impact on Apple-- the reorganization of Sony, Samsung's decision to do their own ads, and RIM's decision to soldier on in the consumer market.

As usual, you're trying to derail another thread by posting multiple times on increasingly trivial aspects of questions no one was asking, in this case trying to "prove" that AI is reasonably overrun by trolls by lying about their article mix. You really seem intent on driving as many threads as possible towards your anti-Apple agenda.

How about we ban this guy? He's smart enough to avoid overt trolling, but his agenda is clear for anyone to see. How many threads are going to be derailed?
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Here's the list of articles that AI has put an Android tag on in the past 14 weeks:

http://www.appleinsider.com/topics/Android.html

A large number of them are primarily Google/Android articles with only a passing reference to Apple if any at all, more than one a week on average.

Do you still think AI doesn't put intentional focus on Google or Android or Samsung? You didn't notice comments a couple weeks ago that AI should change to Samsung Insider?

It's not imagination. In addition it works with over 300K pageviews a day. They're not all Apple owners or fans.
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Wow... Apple is adding 5 new regional carriers.

They may be small but these additions can really start increasing the iPhone community.
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Wow... Apple is adding 5 new regional carriers.

They may be small but these additions can really start increasing the iPhone community.

A very smart move on Apple's part too. The smaller regional providers often have very attractive data plans and Apple shouldn't be absent from their stores.
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Apple iPhone is demonstrably superior in virtually every aspect of a modern smartphone.

Screen size?

LTE?

Ability to customize the interface?
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You are one of my main cases in point and your above comment just proves it.

By the way... I learn lots and lots and lots of stuff about Apple on here... but of course you would miss all that stuff because your main interest is Android.

Perturbed. I also don't give a shit if somebody posts their Android crap on here... it just seems overly moronic to me, but it doesn't mean I'm perturbed. I mean, really, what sort of an asshole could be bothered.



Methinks he doth protesteth too much.
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Methinks he doth protesteth too much.

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Screen size?

LTE?

Ability to customize the interface?


Your baloney vs. REAL WORLD:

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/08/...-satisfaction/

For the sixth consecutive time.

That's all you need to know.
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