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A total of five regional U.S. carrier announced on Wednesday that they will begin selling Apple's iPhone on April 20, as Alaska Communications, GCI, Appalachian Wireless and Cellcom join an earlier announcement from nTelos [updated].

The iPhone 4S will become available to customers of five regional U.S. on April 20. It will be sold for $50 cheaper than its traditional subsidized price at other carriers, starting at $150 for the 16-gigabyte model, $250 for 32 gigabytes, and $350 for 64 gigabytes. The 8-gigabyte iPhone 4 will also be available for $50.

And one of the carriers announced Wednesday, GCI, has a GSM network, which means it will also be able to offer Apple's iPhone 3GS for free with a two-year contract.

Two of the carriers announced on Wednesday are based out of Alaska: Alaska Communications and GCI. The iPhone 4S will be available through Alaska Communications from its 14 retail stores, as well as the company's website.

The carrier offers nationwide unlimited talk plans for $90 with 2 gigabytes of data, while adding unlimited texting brings the monthly cost to $101 and bumps the data cap up to 5 gigabytes. The subsidized iPhone pricing requires a two-year service contract.

"We are delighted to offer Alaskans the best iPhone yet on Alaska’s smartest network," said Anand Vadapalli, Alaska Communications president and CEO. "As the Smartphone experts, Alaska Communications has a range of plans to meet the needs of all Alaskans, at home and at work."

Cellcom offers wireless service in parts of Michigan and Wisconsin, while Appalachian Wireless is based in Kentucky.




The announcement of four more wireless partners as an official carrier partner of Apple came on the same day that nTelos Wireless was also revealed. nTelos will also begin selling the iPhone 4S on April 20 to its more than 400,000 subscribers.

Apple began expanding availability of the iPhone to smaller, regional carriers last October when a deal with C Spire Wireless was announced. That carrier has about 900,000 customers.

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lol, T-Mobile.
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And with the Sarah Palin App you can see Russia from your house too!
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post

And with the Sarah Palin App you can see Russia from your house too!

Too funny!
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Originally Posted by fizzmaster View Post

Too funny!

Four year old jokes that are only relevant because they pertain to something from the same state are still funny?

Time flies, doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post

And with the Sarah Palin App you can see Russia from your house too!

I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so no matter where you are or how much you stutter or sound like an uneducated fool, you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all. It even works when you are speaking to a bunch of school kids.

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.
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I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGSJCDw3ZBw
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I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so no matter where you are or how much you stutter or sound like an uneducated fool, you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all. It even works when you are speaking to a bunch of school kids.

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.

Sarah Palin deserves any crap she gets, hell, she is her own worst enemy when it comes to saying stupid things. This is what she said - "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska", when Charles Gibson asked her what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia. Yes, SNL spoofed it, but the take away was that her insight on Russia comes from living so close that you can see Russia from land in Alaska.

She appeals to those "regular" people who would prefer to have a fellow idiot run the country than an educated person. I for one would prefer to have someone smarter than me running this or any country. GW Bush was proof that bad things happen when you're sleeping on the job that was given to you by the dolts who thought you're just like them...
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Guys, come off it with the political nonsense.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGSJCDw3ZBw

She never says that she can see Russia from her house.

Liberals got that from a SNL skit.
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She never says that she can see Russia from her house.

Liberals got that from a SNL skit.

Maybe you should watch more SNL, you might just gain a sense of humour.

TallestSkill is correct though. This thread is supposed to be about Apple's move into Alaska with a new cellular service provider. I'm happy that is the case as I am sure you are. However you decided to bring the politics in. The original poster just made a joke. We are good at making fun of our politicians in Ireland and you shouldn't have taken it so seriously.

As you Americans would say... "Chill dude".

Bertie Ahern is as far removed from right wing politics as it is possible to get but we still like to take the piss. The Irish are an equal opportunities piss taking race...

An Irishman died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked, "What are all those clocks?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone in the universe has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie, the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "whose clock is that?" "That's St. Patrick's. The hands have never moved, indicating that he never told a lie." "Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one?" St. Peter responded, "That's Daniel O'Connell's clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that he told only two lies in his entire life." "Where's Bertie Ahern's clock?" asked the man. "Bertie's clock is in God's office. He's using it as a ceiling fan."
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So if Apple's pay to play costs are so high that a mid-market telco like US Cellular says they can't afford to offer the iPhone, how is it that these even smaller players are doing it? There has to be more to the deal than we know. A buddy of mine has been with US Cellular for years and wanted the iPhone, but had to settle for a droid. He's had nothing but trouble over the course of the past 2 years while I've gone through 2 iPhones - 3G to 4, 4 to 4S with zero problems.

I know he would switch in a heartbeat if the choice was there.
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So if Apple's pay to play costs are so high that a mid-market telco like US Cellular says they can't afford to offer the iPhone, how is it that these even smaller players are doing it? There has to be more to the deal than we know.

It couldn't be that Google's paying to keep Apple out of the mid-level players, could it?

That's really nonsensical to think, but we should consider everything. Including them being too stupid and stubborn to cave to Apple's demands or Apple's demands actually being too restrictive.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

lol, T-Mobile.

You know those GSM frequencies that nobody wants? Let's bid on that spectrum and build a business around that! What could possibly go wrong?

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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I bought my first cell phone circa 1995 it cost be about $50 and the plan was $39.99 for 900mins anytime. these phone companies are ripping us off. It's the only tech industry where prices go up over time imho
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iSheldon said it, but it bears repeating:

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And with the Sarah Palin App you can see Russia from your house too!
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I bought my first cell phone circa 1995 it cost be about $50 and the plan was $39.99 for 900mins anytime. these phone companies are ripping us off. It's the only tech industry where prices go up over time imho

The only hope for the future on which we can yet hold is the knowledge that, one day, their reign of tyranny WILL come crashing down, supported by the governments of all 1st world nations, and an era of PROPER competition will ensue, both with cellular and landline data.

I have a glorious vision for the future of technology and interconnected electronics and their use. I'm working on UI for it and designing images that will illustrate the full vision (this'll take a good while) BUT IT WILL NEVER COME TRUE IF WE DON'T GET THESE TYRANTS OUT OF THE WAY.
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You know those GSM frequencies that nobody wants? Let's bid on that spectrum and build a business around that! What could possibly go wrong?

With so few finite frequencies available, getting desirable 3G frequencies (850 and 1900 MHz) can be extremely difficult. T-Mobile was probably banking on semiconductor firms eventually releasing more universal 3G chipset (for its 1700 and 1900 MHz 3G/4G bands).

Let's face it. Radio frequency spectrum is a huge mess, especially when you factor in LTE.
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I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so no matter where you are or how much you stutter or sound like an uneducated fool, you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all. It even works when you are speaking to a bunch of school kids.

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.

Also,the app will make automatic in-app $4.99 purchases every five minutes until you are personally bankrupt. And on food stamps.

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[QUOTE=KnightoftheWord;2088401]Maybe you should watch more SNL, you might just gain a sense of humour.... snipped ... there is NO way you will gain a sense of humor watching that very tired old program. It might have been good 25 years ago but it sure as hell blows today.
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It might have been good 25 years ago but it sure as hell blows today.

I agree. I used to watch that show sometimes in the 80's, when they had true comedic masters like John Belushi, Eddie Murphy, Gilda Radner and others on that show.

Today, it's simply garbage and it's just a pathetic shadow of it's former self.
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1 View Post

So if Apple's pay to play costs are so high that a mid-market telco like US Cellular says they can't afford to offer the iPhone, how is it that these even smaller players are doing it?

I don't think they have a choice. They probably can't afford to offer the iPhone, but they really cannot afford not to offer it otherwise subscribers will go elsewhere.

Apple really did a number on carriers with the iPhone. The iPhone is popular enough that carriers must offer it or they will lose subscribers. It is expensive, requiring huge subsidies, but carriers cannot increase the price or subscribers will go to another carrier who offers the exact same phone. There is no carrier customization so it doesn't create a reason to pick one carrier other another who also has the exact same phone. Subscribers are loyal to Apple not the carrier and are more than happy to switch to a new carrier when their contract is up taking all their apps with them. But carriers equally cannot afford not to offer the iPhone.

It reminds me what Apple previously did to the music industry.
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Now you have to remember Katie, that T-Mumble has the DUMBEST MARKETING CMO IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND driving their sales with the devices he believes have "COME TO HIM" begging for his business. The thing that makes this almost the most hilarious tale of a CMO ever, is that the CEO, Humm, actually agrees with him.... THAT'S PANDEMIC STUPIDITY. AND, FIVE regional carriers JUST PROVED IT.

T-Mumble will finally get the iPhone 2 in 2016....
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I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so no matter where you are or how much you stutter or sound like an uneducated fool, you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all. It even works when you are speaking to a bunch of school kids.

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.

Thank you, Captain Buzzkill.

What do you do for an encore, tell little kids Santa Claus isn't real?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Four year old jokes that are only relevant because they pertain to something from the same state are still funny?

Time flies, doesn't it?

Dumb is dumb, and that makes it still funny.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did, and they keep repeating that ignorant lie. What else can you really expect from people who get most of their news and info from comedy shows?

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so no matter where you are or how much you stutter or sound like an uneducated fool, you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all. It even works when you are speaking to a bunch of school kids.

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.

She actually did say something very similar, so get off your horse and live with it.
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I can't believe so many people can afford $90+ a month for cell phone service, with limited data to boot. That's just insane. Sprint is a slightly better deal in the limited/unlimited regard, but their network is terrible if you ever wander out of town or off the main roads.

Finally found a solution to my years-long iPhone envy last month without breaking the bank and getting into some crappy 2-year contract. Used iPhone 4S + StraightTalk Unlimited Sim = $42 a month for unlimited voice/text/data, no contract. The only drawback is that visual voicemail doesn't work, but I don't get much voicemail so no biggy. Oh, and you have to pay quite a bit more for the phone (either on the used market or unlocked) but when I'm saving $500+ a year, it really doesn't matter that much at all.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

It couldn't be that Google's paying to keep Apple out of the mid-level players, could it?

That's really nonsensical to think, but we should consider everything. Including them being too stupid and stubborn to cave to Apple's demands or Apple's demands actually being too restrictive.

I doubt that Google would be doing that. What advantage would it give them to keep the iPhone out of the hands of a small carrier, when they can't do that with the carriers that really matter? And if ever came out that they were doing that, and sooner or later, it would, it would be bad for them, possibly even illegal.

We all know that t-mobile wants the phone but hasn't gotten it. But Its not due to anything other than incompatibility, though they're modding towers for the proper frequency.

Even business people have their prejudices. It's very possible that the people who run some of these companies prefer Android over iOS, or Google over Apple, and that's keeping them from including iPhones.
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Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

I bought my first cell phone circa 1995 it cost be about $50 and the plan was $39.99 for 900mins anytime. these phone companies are ripping us off. It's the only tech industry where prices go up over time imho

Nonsense! The old cell phones cost $1,500, and it cost $5 a minute for calls coming in or out. Things are far cheaper now. Even in 1995, there weren't data plans, it was just SMS. Much more than that was rare.
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Find some coffee, drink a cup
Find a niche and fill it up.....

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Four year old jokes that are only relevant because they pertain to something from the same state are still funny?

Time flies, doesn't it?


Hey, Gonad O'Brien still tries for big laffs with his hackneyed, 50 year old New Jersey jokes, so a 4 year old knee-slapper is palin' by comparison.
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With so few finite frequencies available, getting desirable 3G frequencies (850 and 1900 MHz) can be extremely difficult. T-Mobile was probably banking on semiconductor firms eventually releasing more universal 3G chipset (for its 1700 and 1900 MHz 3G/4G bands).

Let's face it. Radio frequency spectrum is a huge mess, especially when you factor in LTE.

Of course it is. But, shouldn't the regulators be responsible for fixing it?

I wonder what the relative cost of (say) replacing all police/fire radios or US military radios to the long-term incompatibility that not changing causes. I know a lot of the equipment has 20+ year lives with the older technology (and we don't see that with newer technology), but it really seems like being penny-wise and pound-foolish.
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Of course it is. But, shouldn't the regulators be responsible for fixing it?

I wonder what the relative cost of (say) replacing all police/fire radios or US military radios to the long-term incompatibility that not changing causes. I know a lot of the equipment has 20+ year lives with the older technology (and we don't see that with newer technology), but it really seems like being penny-wise and pound-foolish.

They are working on spectrum for official use such as that for rescue, fire, and police. Here, in NYC, when we had the 9/11 attack, the police and fire departments couldn't communicate directly with each other. They had to use cell phones. A friend, high in the medical office of the police department said to me that it caused the deaths of a number of people in both departments, including a couple of people she knew.
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Originally Posted by iSheldon View Post

And with the Sarah Palin App you can see Russia from your house too!

No, that's the Tina Fey app.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

I'm pretty sure that you mean the SNL app, because Palin never actually said that, even though many ignorant liberals falsely believe that she did...

With the Barack Obama app, you too can learn how to speak Austrian in Austria! You can also learn how to pronounce corpseman correctly without making it sound like you're addressing a dead person. The Obama app also gives automatic shoutouts to your homies in the crowd, whenever a massacre has just been committed.

The Obama app also provides a built in teleprompter, so .. you will now be able to recycle them same, tired, old phrases time and time again, without having to use your brain much at all...

Get it now for .99 cents on the appstore. Hurry, because this is a limited time offer.

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Thank you, Captain Buzzkill.
What do you do for an encore, tell little kids Santa Claus isn't real?

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Dumb is dumb, and that makes it still funny.

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She actually did say something very similar, so get off your horse and live with it.

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No, that's the Tina Fey app.

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Sarah Palin deserves any crap she gets, hell, she is her own worst enemy when it comes to saying stupid things. ... Yes, SNL spoofed it, but the take away was that her insight on Russia comes from living so close that you can see Russia from land in Alaska.

She appeals to those "regular" people who would prefer to have a fellow idiot run the country than an educated person. I for one would prefer to have someone smarter than me running this or any country....

I have a slight sense some of you feel jokes about "dumb" quotes from some people (ones you don't like) are funnier than those about others (that you're committed to).

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Hey, Gonad O'Brien still tries for big laffs with his hackneyed, 50 year old New Jersey jokes, so a 4 year old knee-slapper is palin' by comparison.

Now that's funny.... ('cos I haven't heard it for one thing). But going back to four year old source material, and accepting Melgross' observation that dumb is dumb, I hear the new Obama GPS app is selling great because it includes maps of all 57 states....

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Sarah Palin deserves any crap she gets, hell, she is her own worst enemy when it comes to saying stupid things. This is what she said - "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska", when Charles Gibson asked her what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia. Yes, SNL spoofed it, but the take away was that her insight on Russia comes from living so close that you can see Russia from land in Alaska.

She appeals to those "regular" people who would prefer to have a fellow idiot run the country than an educated person. I for one would prefer to have someone smarter than me running this or any country. GW Bush was proof that bad things happen when you're sleeping on the job that was given to you by the dolts who thought you're just like them...

From a Wikipedia article:

In 1987 swimmer Lynne Cox swam the two miles (3 km) between the Diomede Islands from Alaska to the Soviet Union in 40 °F (4 °C) water during the last years of the Cold War.

So I guess you could see Russia from parts of Alaska!
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I have a slight sense some of you feel jokes about "dumb" quotes from some people (ones you don't like) are funnier than those about others (that you're committed to).



Now that's funny.... ('cos I haven't heard it for one thing). But going back to four year old source material, and accepting Melgross' observation that dumb is dumb, I hear the new Obama GPS app is selling great because it includes maps of all 57 states....

Never been a fan of O'brian. I got over college humor when I graduated.

The problem is that conservatives are funnier, because they say the weirdest things. You can try and make up a joke about Obama, because you don't like him, but he doesn't do funny they way they do. Even Letterman, who is a known conservative, keeps most of his jokes on other conservatives, because much of what they say is so off the wall.
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From a Wikipedia article:

In 1987 swimmer Lynne Cox swam the two miles (3 km) between the Diomede Islands from Alaska to the Soviet Union in 40 °F (4 °C) water during the last years of the Cold War.

So I guess you could see Russia from parts of Alaska!

Let's also remember that you can see Alaska from Russia. I'm not going to comment on whether I like or dislike Ms. Palin, but I have been to Alaska and we in the lower 48 are not really well informed on the Russian influence and culture there. Likewise, a person who grew up in Alaska may not realize the dearth of knowledge we lower 48 types possess regarding where the people there came from.

During my trip I saw many structures (mostly churches) that had clear Russian heritage. Alaska was part of Russia until the mid 1800's. For about 150 years before that it was settled by Russian traders and hunters. Before that, it was settled by the native population that includes the Eskimos, Indians, and Aleuts. All of these people came from Siberia and Russia.

I am suggesting that we don't fully appreciate the Russian centric views that may be held by a person who grew up there.

(For more information you might google "Russian cultural influence in Alaska.")
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Let's also remember that you can see Alaska from Russia. I'm not going to comment on whether I like or dislike Ms. Palin, but I have been to Alaska and we in the lower 48 are not really well informed on the Russian influence and culture there. Likewise, a person who grew up in Alaska may not realize the dearth of knowledge we lower 48 types possess regarding where the people there came from.

During my trip I saw many structures (mostly churches) that had clear Russian heritage. Alaska was part of Russia until the mid 1800's. For about 150 years before that it was settled by Russian traders and hunters. Before that, it was settled by the native population that includes the Eskimos, Indians, and Aleuts. All of these people came from Siberia and Russia.

I am suggesting that we don't fully appreciate the Russian centric views that may be held by a person who grew up there.

(For more information you might google "Russian cultural influence in Alaska.")

And finally for my last off-topic comment - Sarah Palin would have had more credibility had she said, Alaska was part of Russia and many people here in Alaska have cultural or family ties to Russia, so we have a unique perspective when it comes to dealing with Russia politics. It would have been spin, for sure, but she didn't answer the question, in the same way she "answered" other questions she had no clue how to answer. In my eyes, she came across as worse than GW - given he at least had some pedigree with a father that was a great politician.

She was and continues to be most concerned about her own financial security than any regular folk and is simply an entertainer (of sorts). She's no politician - like so many in politics now who refuse to negotiate and stand on their soap boxes spewing garbage to those who seemingly want this country to become some fascist hateful exclusionary enclave.
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like so many in politics now who refuse to negotiate and stand on their soap boxes spewing garbage to those who seemingly want this country to become some fascist hateful exclusionary enclave.

Still happily participating in keeping this thread totally off-topic:

One person's inclusionary definition appears to be another's exclusionary list... ...the diversity and tolerance crowd, e.g., doesn't seem to have much room for rich white Christians in their love everybody list (and FYI, I happen to be only one of those three things). And the born-agains who should be spending more time having sympathy for all do seem equally lacking in same for those they see as "not like them."

As for fascism, though, no need to wait to "become." Here's a link that shows we (and most people in the world's "developed democracies") are already well into living under a soft fascism - in which both of our major political parties - and other key actors - are active and entrenched participants:

http://mises.org/daily/5752/The-Fascist-Threat

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