Originally Posted by MGLeet
Sure, I guess that some people are quick to call out others as shills. But I see the whole "but I own x amount of Apple products, so I'm not a hater" on other tech sites too. And as far as preemptive strikes go, with anonymity, really anyone can say anything. When I was younger, on 1up.com as deadbunny17, I fabricated a whole lot of my life to make my points in clubs. I don't think that I'm the only person in the world that's done something like that.
As someone that has lied on the Internet because of how ridiculously easy it was, I just have a really tough time thinking that such a preemptive strike isn't hollow. Not saying that philgar is lying. Just that "I've owned this meaning that my opinion is valid" is a waste of a sentence.
I suppose saying I own apple products is irrelevant to the conversation, however I've definitely seen on this board if you say anything remotely anti-apple, you are considered a fandroid etc. It's just pathetic the attempts people go to to make their phone look like it's the only one and only phone.
I also found it amusing that people attacked this statement, while ignoring the actual content of my message. I was actually very positive about ios, and I do like it a lot (obviously I do, or I wouldn't keep buying apple products). However, I do think it's fair to say that apple isn't the only innovator in the smart phone space.
Lets looks at things this way... sure, apple did a lot of work in making the smart phone accessible, and maybe it was a bit more than I showed it to be... However, should this give apple exclusive control of the smart phone market, and no one else can use any elements that they used in future designs? What if RIM did this early on in the smart phone market. They were the first phone to really bring the web to a phone, and started the "smartphone revolution". What if they claimed that EVERY other smartphone should not exist simply because new phones borrow from their design (and don't try to claim apple didn't, the whole concept of using the internet on a phone, and checking email on a phone came about because of RIM). Everyone on this forum would be up in arms calling RIM money grubbing obsolete, backward etc.
People, you can't have it both ways, the rules need to be fair to apple and other companies. I hear countless people talking about how all these other companies are patent trolls toward apple, and many claiming that software patents shouldn't exist (I agree with that sentiment). Under those rules, apple cannot patent a way of presenting data, or an algorithm etc. I'm sorry, but slide to unlock is so intuitive, that I don't think apple should be allowed to hold a patent on it. It's no more valid than the patent to wirelessly play music.
If you want to claim this takes money out of apple, I'd like to see any proof there. In fact, I doubt the iphone would be more successful if android phones never existed. Android has helped push the iphone as much as the iphone has helped android. Both have improved dramatically, and caused more people to buy smartphones. Additionally, there are some people who will refuse to buy apple products... It doesn't matter why, it's just like those people who refuse to consider the fact that non-apple products can be decent. They exist, and they would not be buying iphones. Looking at apple's share of the smart phone profit, it's hard to believe that they'd be doing better had google not borrowed some of the design elements from iOS.
And, the biggest laugh I saw on here was the person who claimed that android needs to be wiped away because he's been relying on apple stock for his retirement plan for the past 12 years... If you were investing in apple stock 12 years ago, you've already made 10x profits from that stock... FAR FAR FAR more than the market in general. You have made very wise investing decisions, and got incredibly lucky. However, if you cannot afford to retire if apple doesn't do better, you grossly undersaved for retirement. You bought one of the hottest stocks ever, and need it to go up more than it has .... Had it been like any other stock, you'd be completely screwed come retirement, because you obviously didn't have enough saved up. Of course, its far more likely that the person just wanted to state that they own apple stock, and that they are hoping it goes up more (cant' say I blame them for that). Just the relying on it for retirement part that seems like a joke.