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post #41 of 136
I can imagine that he might actually believe this, but I can't imagine that he's right.

Somebody should ask Bill Gates if he thinks SJ was just kidding around about being upset when Gates started developing Windows back in the 80s....
post #42 of 136
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Yes, but most of the lawsuits are directly at the third party manufacturers use of Android. Further, Apple still relies heavily on Google for Search and other services. So, Apple wouldn't sue Google until it could easily cut the cord. Moreover, Google is about to inherit Apple's lawsuits with Motorola.

Apple has alternative options on search. When I upgraded to 5.1 I got switched over to yahoo...

either way, holding steady, messing around on the fringes is not exactly indicative of Jobs desire to "go thermonuclear war" on them.
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Originally Posted by Drax7 View Post

Page spinning it again like a true thief.

"Real artists steal"?

Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

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post #44 of 136
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Apple has alternative options on search. When I upgraded to 5.1 I got switched over to yahoo...

Quite the alternative... not.

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this is from a company that invented web searching, and then produced several half-baked products...and then stole all the rest...

sounds like complete and utter bullshit...

android is still a stolen product, and a complete piece of shit...

Their search is best in business, as is their email, IMO. Google Maps is best in its business, as well. Past that, arguments can be made. I personally believe Chrome is the best browser out there, but just about everything else Google does is unbelievably average at best. YouTube is a necessary evil, but is really not too great, IMO.
post #46 of 136
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Quite the alternative... not.

Why isn't Yahoo (or Bing) and alternative?

I use Yahoo all the time. 99% of the time, it works just fine. On very rare occasions, I might not be happy with the results and I can easily search Google if I wish. But why should Google be able to earn money off me for routine searches (as well as sell my information)?
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post #47 of 136
It looks like the pressure is now on for Google.... best short of all time.

It's time to make nice with Apple as the sky is soon to fall... Jobs ment every word he said regarding Android and it will come true.... so many bad things are now happening to Android as fragmentation, Samsung going its own way with advertising, Baidu in China, Windows Mobil, Nokia, etc, all plied on top of Apple slowly pulling away from Google Search.... the cupboard is about to go bare.

Not going to be a pretty picture as earnings start down over the next year,,, watch out below!
post #48 of 136
Dear Larry "Gurgles" Page,
Why don't you honor us by cutting the crap?
Do it just for show. Maybe then you'll impress.
Until then, Ciao Gurgles.
post #49 of 136
Jobs didn't hate Android and he said as such.

Jobs hated that Android stole off Apple, if the creators of Android had developed it based on their own ideas there was no problem.

He was quite clear on this.

Some people need to learn how to understand English a bit better before flying off at the handle.
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Nice f****** try Larry

I can't wait to hear Larry explain the Motorola performance in upcoming earnings calls. This purchase is probably the worst business decision I have seen in the last 10 yrs. He obviously did not take Steve's last advice

or maybe he did?

post #51 of 136
Somebody post that picture of Khan, with the caption, "for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"

No, this is just Larry's opinion. I suppose it's possible that it was bluster. Steve Jobs was, above all else, pretty intelligent, and not the kind to throw conference room chairs like certain Microsoft CEOs. It's hard to picture him taking it personally, which is how some people take the "thermonuclear" quote. He got over Bill Gates' copy of the Mac UI. Eventually.

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post #52 of 136
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you mean the lawsuits against the manufacturers of end products? with their own skins and the like?

When is the lawsuit against google going to occur?

When Google start making handsets.
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post #53 of 136
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"Real artists steal"?

Now that was just for show and you quote Jobs entirely out of context. The adage originated with Picasso, as well. The rudimentary Xerox technology was not stolen by Apple, it was bought and greatly enhanced. Much of the iPhone technology is patented or awaiting a patent decision. It's ripe for stealing, but don't let Apple catch you.
post #54 of 136
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...as is their email....

I prefer .me, I don't like sending email with ads in it.

Gmail is good for signing up to dodgy sites and leaving alone to fill with spam.
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post #55 of 136
Yeah!!! cuz no one at apple was gonna rally around the iPhone or iOS without a little executive rage.
post #56 of 136
Yeah and iConsumers hatred of Android is just for show too.
post #57 of 136
Larry Page clearly doesn't understand Steve Jobs' passion.
post #58 of 136
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Originally Posted by eksodos View Post

Yeah and iConsumers hatred of Android is just for show too.

And Android users who feel they've been gypped as well.

If any one here sells phones NEVER tell people that Android phones are just like iPhone's, not if you don't want to deal with irate customers seeking a return, when they realise just how f***ed up Android can be.

Here's a hint if they ask about syncing with iTunes get them an iPhone.
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post #59 of 136
Yes, Steve invited Larry over to discuss how to run a company. How to make great products. Steve spilled the beans from his bed, and Larry lapped it up. "Those Google Glasses are going to be insanely great, I wish we'd thought of that" Steve told Larry. And, "I only wish the AppleTV had as many features as Google TV."

Larry left Steve with enough tips and ttricks to keep Google busy for a decade.

...

But tucked away, hidden inside the safe of the Jobs' family attourney, there is a letter. It's from Steve, to Larry. It is scheduled for delivery in 2021. It says,

Dear Larry,

You stole my stuff, and you can s*** my a**. Did you really think I was going to give you all my good ideas? Everything I told you was a lie, designed send Google on a gigantic detour. And look - it's ten years later. I may have passed on, but I know with certainty that Google has gone the way of Microsoft. And I helped push you over the edge.

Don't you EVER steal from Apple again.

Love, Steve
post #60 of 136
There is much I don't like about Google and the way that they implement certain things, but I believe this statement to be true.

Personally, I think that Steve's biggest concern wasn't Google threatening Apple, but Apple threatening Apple by becoming complacent.

And what better way to prevent that from happening by declaring a war on...<fill in the blank>

However, I think Steve definitely hated Eric.

That guy lacks morals, and is a real schmidt-head.
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post #61 of 136
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Yeah!!! cuz no one at apple was gonna rally around the iPhone or iOS without a little executive rage.

Exactly.

And the best way to rally the troops is to release a statement to your biographer to be printed in a book that you are pretty sure won't come out till after you die.
post #62 of 136
Wow, you guys are seriously being mature about this eh. Here's a fun fact...IT'S A PHONE. Who cares what you use compared to what other people use? It's a piece of technology, not a lifeline. Yes, it is important to people who use it every day of their lives, but why do you guys care so much about defending Apple? Did Apple do anything for you? Are they paying you? Do you work for Apple at an executive level where you feel the need to defend them so much? No, didn't think so. You already know Apple has stolen a few ideas from Android as well, an example being notifications and the swipe down notification center. That's a BLATANT Android rip-off, but you will say "they took it and make it better". You are blind about the "they took it" part.

BTW, ditched my 3GS yesterday and got a Galaxy Note, this thing is off the charts good. All of my family has iPhone 4s's and they are GARBAGE compared to this bad boy.
post #63 of 136
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Originally Posted by Red Oak View Post

Nice f****** try Larry

I can't wait to hear Larry explain the Motorola performance in upcoming earnings calls. This purchase is probably the worst business decision I have seen in the last 10 yrs. He obviously did not take Steve's last advice

You know I thought it was crazy for them to buy Moto before, especially for such a large sum of money, but after reading posts on some other sites today, it may make some sense in the future. Let me explain:

Amazon forks Android, there's no Google market in it and everything is Amazon. Samsung creates it's own AdHub, cutting Google out of Ad revenue. I have a feeling (based on successful open source projects), all of the major Android OEMs will consider forking Android one day when it is 'good enough' and building their own ecosystem. Certainly Samsung, Sony and maybe HTC. They can cut Google out of almost everything after their version has become their own beast. They can even sell the default search engine spot back to Google. Or as an article I read today pointed out, HTC has the patent for face-unlock and could possibly sue the other OEMs using Android ICS with face-unlock, starting an in-fighting war. In the end, Google could have put in the majority of the work for Android to become successful and mainstream, only to have it 'stolen' by OEMs. If they have Motorola, at the very least, there will be one manufacturer that will make a phone as Google envisions it to be.
post #64 of 136
What a lame attempt at trying to revert Googles criminal image, we all know how Google stole it from Apple, and we all know how Google wants to steal our personal information.
Make no mistake, if there is a devil it has GOOGLE written all over it.
post #65 of 136
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Originally Posted by openminded View Post

Wow, you guys are seriously being mature about this eh. Here's a fun fact...IT'S A PHONE. Who cares what you use compared to what other people use? It's a piece of technology, not a lifeline. Yes, it is important to people who use it every day of their lives, but why do you guys care so much about defending Apple? Did Apple do anything for you? Are they paying you? Do you work for Apple at an executive level where you feel the need to defend them so much? No, didn't think so. You already know Apple has stolen a few ideas from Android as well, an example being notifications and the swipe down notification center. That's a BLATANT Android rip-off, but you will say "they took it and make it better". You are blind about the "they took it" part.

BTW, ditched my 3GS yesterday and got a Galaxy Note, this thing is off the charts good. All of my family has iPhone 4s's and they are GARBAGE compared to this bad boy.

Some of us are shareholders, and I think no matter which side of the fence you are on, you would agree if Android wasn't around, Apple would own 90%+ of the smartphone market. That means a lot of money for shareholders, that's why we care.

I heavily use my Galaxy Nexus and my iPhone 4S. Both have their issues, both have advantages. If I had to choose one, it would be the iPhone mainly because everything fits together better and is more intuitive. There have been moments on both platforms I get frustrated, but I've only ever wanted to smash the g-nex a few times.
post #66 of 136
I very much Steve Jobs was putting on a 'show' when he made his comments about Android. Anyone who's been around this industry, for a while, knows that Microsoft pulled the same BS on Apple with Windows. Steve was probably having a visceral reaction to Google's change of direction, with Android, post iPhone introduction.
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Further, Apple still relies heavily on Google for Search and other services. So, Apple wouldn't sue Google until it could easily cut the cord.


This reasoning is nothing but defective.

Apple relies heavily on Samsung for major components for many products. And yet, Apple sued Samsung at a time it could not possibly cut the cord.

So Apple has a history of doing exactly the opposite of what is presented above.
post #68 of 136
At least half the people in this thread act like someone stole their birthday cake. Chill out.

Just because you have a keyboard and an internet connection doesn't make you smarter than the two people that were in the room. Quite frankly who gives a damn what the two thought of each other. Is it relevant to anything? Steve has passed on and Larry's sharing his view, embellished or not. I don't see any insults about Steve, if anything the opposite. You certainly don't have to like the guy (and really it's Schmit you shouldn't like) but is it necessary to lower the level back to middle school?
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post #69 of 136
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Now that was just for show and you quote Jobs entirely out of context. The adage originated with Picasso, as well. The rudimentary Xerox technology was not stolen by Apple, it was bought and greatly enhanced. Much of the iPhone technology is patented or awaiting a patent decision. It's ripe for stealing, but don't let Apple catch you.

Apple has always been shameless about stealing great ideas.
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post #71 of 136
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You already know Apple has stolen a few ideas from Android as well, an example being notifications and the swipe down notification center. That's a BLATANT Android rip-off, but you will say "they took it and make it better". You are blind about the "they took it" part.

How do you 'steal' from open source?

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BTW, ditched my 3GS yesterday and got a Galaxy Note, this thing is off the charts good. All of my family has iPhone 4s's and they are GARBAGE compared to this bad boy.

They say that people buy phones that reflect on their personality and/or lifestyle.

Your phone has a stick up it's butt.

Enjoy!
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BTW, ditched my 3GS yesterday and got a Galaxy Note, this thing is off the charts good. All of my family has iPhone 4s's and they are GARBAGE compared to this bad boy.

Why'd you waste your time typing all that other drivel.

Aren't you that guy from the Samsung ad, if you've come here to sell something why not cut to the chase?

P.S. watch out for poles if you ever answer that thing while walking down the street and don't poke people in your blind spot with your elbow.
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post #73 of 136
Although I like this board, and reading it, the things I read amongst the fanboys just makes me laugh. So many posts act like everything was solely apple's idea, and android was ENTIRELY copied from apple etc etc (for the record, I have purchased multiple apple laptops, and ipods and currently use a macbook, iphone 4, ipod classic, and an ipad3 regularly, so please refrain from calling me a google fan boy... ). This is just utter bullshit, and I'm sure deep down you know it. Like everything, the truth is somewhere in between. Both apple and google have borrowed MANY MANY MANY ideas from others. Apple's biggest success isn't in doing something first, but doing something best. Others had smartphones, and even touch screens. Hell, most of the ideas behind the iphone were out there when the iphone was released. The difference was apple capitalized on them, and made a platform people could use, and made it user friendly. Just like every other company out there, apple BUILT UPON others creations when they made the iphone. This is just how progress works.

Google's android was in development before the iphone was released, and I'm sure apple knew it was in development when Schmidt was on their board of directors. Apple isn't stupid enough to share company secrets without having tons of legal forms that had to be signed. If apple's IP was stolen by their arrangement, google would have been sued into the ground. It's suicidal for a company to outright steal IP.

Now, the idea that google borrowed ideas and concepts from the iphone and ios... Sure they did.. And apple borrowed ideas and concepts for the iphone/ios's design. That is how the game is played.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if jobs played up the android stole from us thing just like he used to use lines about "redmond start your copiers". The arrogance of apple was always part of their appeal. They have spend the last 20 years building their reputation as the company that does things better, and everyone else is taking from them. This is part of their image, and job's statement about going thermonuclear on google goes along with it.

It is arrogant to think that apple can build upon the works of others, borrowing ideas when it suits them, but others can't borrow from them. Such an arrangement cannot work in a free market, and thus android is allowed to compete with ios (the only real lawsuits apple has launched against android are against samsung, and mostly concerned with the design of their phones, as samsung tried very hard to make their phone look and act like an iphone.). I'm sure apple would love to sue all their competitors out of existence, and if they could, they'd quickly be the worlds first 5 trillion dollar company. Of course, we'd all be paying through the nose for it, as it wouldn't come cheap.

consumers of apple products need android just like consumers of android phones need android. The only ones who don't want it are those owning apple stock, as more money can be had by monopolizing the market.

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It wasn't Steve Jobs idea, I hope you realize.

I don't know. Whose idea it is?
post #75 of 136
Now that Steve is no longer around to defend himself I've noticed a lot of "what Steve really meant was..." types of comments from competitors.

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post #76 of 136
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Why'd you waste your time typing all that other drivel.

Aren't you that guy from the Samsung ad, if you've come here to sell something why not cut to the chase?

P.S. watch out for poles if you ever answer that thing while walking down the street and don't poke people in your blind spot with your elbow.


This looks perfectly normal.




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post #77 of 136
This only speaks to how machiavellian Page is. If you are untrustworthy and dishonist you think the same of others.
post #78 of 136
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I prefer .me, I don't like sending email with ads in it.

Gmail is good for signing up to dodgy sites and leaving alone to fill with spam.

Google Mail doesn't have ads in it if you use an email app instead of their website.
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Don't flatter yourself. You stole his idea and now you are trying to rewrite history.

Did they. I mean is Apple's Trade Dress really valid and did Google really 'steal' it. After all, so far Apple hasn't really show anything all that unique in the design. If they wanted to argue the totality of picking those exact elements perhaps, but that doesn't seem to be their argument. And should those elements really be a protected item. Or perhaps it should be more like copyright where an idea can't be protected but only the exact expression of it.

If they were using a common coding language and Android used huge chunks of iOS code that would be a different game. But again that is not the case. And lets face it, some of Apple's patents have been as vague as some used against it. Did they really think that a patent on 'swipe your finger on the screen to unlock it' would be deemed valid. It wasn't because it shouldn't have been. The more precise later version that required a very specific gesture at a very specific location designated by an image showing where and how to perform the gesture was what should have always been required.

Yes Google and many of their OEMs have taken inspiration from the iPhone etc. Is that theft or imitation in poor taste.

That said, I don't think that Steve was lying that he would spend every cent to stop anyone that violates Apple's IP. He was very serious about it. Even to the point of fulfilling legal requirements to defend a trademark or trade dress given that was perhaps done in error (until such time as the courts find and end that error). All those legal costs will never come close to putting a dent in Apple's cash so there's no real concern for the shareholders should Apple lose
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