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Regardless how Android started, 4.03 looks nothing like iOS. In fact it's quite the opposite now it seems to me that iOS is starting to turn to Android for ideas. As far as I'm concern who gives a crap as long as the outcome is a better mobile OS. My fingers are cross for iOS to pick up a file manager, support for DIVX, home screens that can be customized and the ability to be mounted as a normal drive instead of using a music player to copy files over (thank goodness for hackers on this one).
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My fingers are cross for iOS to pick up a file manager, support for DIVX, home screens that can be customized and the ability to be mounted as a normal drive instead of using a music player to copy files over (thank goodness for hackers on this one).

These will never happen, save for three which already exists. DivX is just terrible and HEVC is only a few years out.

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These will never happen, save for three which already exists. DivX is just terrible and HEVC is only a few years out.

Yes I know, big reason why I know longer have a iPhone 4, not Divx, it would be nice if Apple would support pretty much every codec like Android but not needed. The other stuff is important for me though. I know the iPhone is doing well and everyone around here swears by it but I have defiantly moved on. I love having a much larger screen with a better resolution with a much more flexable OS.

Yes, you may now destroy me for not liking the iPhone any longer, I'm sorry, it's just, well, it's very boring and everyone has one. Plus after using such a large screen with a 1280 x 800 rez I don't think I can ever go back to using such a small screen. Not after what I know.
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Yes, you may now destroy me for not liking the iPhone any longer, I'm sorry, it's just, well, it's very boring and everyone has one.

Eh, it's not for everyone. Some people don't want to reencode their media to supported formats, and while I don't get why they wouldn't want modern formats, I understand why they wouldn't want to have the hassle of doing it.

There're apps in the App Store that add support for some of them, I think. Mind, they don't add support to the standard applications, just within their own. VLC gave us MKV support, for example.

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Yes, you may now destroy me for not liking the iPhone any longer, I'm sorry, it's just, well, it's very boring and everyone has one.

There are a multitude of legitimate reasons for not liking a product or, more reasonably, finding that it doesn't suit your needs, but saying that you don't like it because everyone has one has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard.

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These will never happen, save for three which already exists. DivX is just terrible and HEVC is only a few years out.

Have you seen all the complaints from people who don't like that TV show torrents have switched from DivX/AVI to H.264/MP4?

Here are some of the golden responses:
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“LOL, why are all your new uploads MP4 format? How do we get hold of you? We need the AVI format back, really frustrating as most DVD players don’t play MP4 format which means we are back to converting format to AVI – how 3rd world LOL,”

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“MP4 SUCKS AND IS A BULL SHIT FORMAT. AVI WILL ALWAYS BE KING. MORE TROUBLE THAN IS WORTH. TIME TO GET MY DOWNLOADS FROM A BETTER SITE THAT OFFERS AVI AND I KNOW A MAJORITY OF THE DOWN LOADERS WILL DO THE SAME,”

So they want an archaic codec that has no HW support and added 40% to their file size. And who are these people that think it's "3rd world" to want to bun an AVI to a CD so they can play it in their DVD player? I don't understand how these people can even use a computer.

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Shame on you admins. I know one who has a gut but it seems he's off duty.
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If google's intent was to copy iOS verbatim, they could've done a much better job.

Meh.. Google.. A much better job?.. What a laugh!!!
post #169 of 217
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

Regardless how Android started, 4.03 looks nothing like iOS. In fact it's quite the opposite now it seems to me that iOS is starting to turn to Android for ideas. As far as I'm concern who gives a crap as long as the outcome is a better mobile OS. My fingers are cross for iOS to pick up a file manager, support for DIVX, home screens that can be customized and the ability to be mounted as a normal drive instead of using a music player to copy files over (thank goodness for hackers on this one).

4.04 apparently works nothing like iOS either, well the using it for phone calls part, anyway ICS shouldn't really concern you yet.

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I love having a much larger screen with a better resolution with a much more flexable OS.

Yes, you may now destroy me for not liking the iPhone any longer, I'm sorry, it's just, well, it's very boring and everyone has one. Plus after using such a large screen with a 1280 x 800 rez I don't think I can ever go back to using such a small screen. Not after what I know.

So you've got a Galaxy Note (based on the screen resolution you gave), which is on Gingerbread that you poke with a stick.

The ICS ROM's that have leaked so far don't support the pokey stick programs yet so aren't that crash hot.

PS, watch out for poles if you answer it on the street and don't poke anyone in your blind spot with your elbow.
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post #170 of 217
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4.04 apparently works nothing like iOS either, well the using it for phone calls part, anyway ICS shouldn't really concern you yet.



So you've got a Galaxy Note (based on the screen resolution you gave), which is on Gingerbread that you poke with a stick.

The ICS ROM's that have leaked so far don't support the pokey stick programs yet so aren't that crash hot.

PS, watch out for poles if you answer it on the street and don't poke anyone in your blind spot with your elbow.

I'm running ICS, have been for months. Not only that but I'm running it tablet mode, the 1280 x 800 resolution is perfect doing so. The pointing stick programs don't really concern me as much as the S Pen works great in all of the note-taking, photo-editing, audio-editing and of course drawing apps.

Yes I am running a custom rom of my own doing. That's the beauty of using such an open OS and phone. It's not for everyone but I enjoy it and that's what is important, no?

No, I just compared iOS and Androids phone features, again they look nothing alike.
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post #171 of 217
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Have you seen all the complaints from people who don't like that TV show torrents have switched from DivX/AVI to H.264/MP4?

Here are some of the golden responses:

So they want an archaic codec that has no HW support and added 40% to their file size. And who are these people that think it's "3rd world" to want to bun an AVI to a CD so they can play it in their DVD player? I don't understand how these people can even use a computer.

I know! People swear by AVI as though it came out of their (or spouse's) womb! It's TRASH! Sure, it may have been good at one point, but not for many years.

The 'burn an AVI to a CD' part is always the best. To a CD! That's why most pirated movie files are under 700 MB! But they're AVIs, so it's just

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post #172 of 217
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There are a multitude of legitimate reasons for not liking a product or, more reasonably, finding that it doesn't suit your needs, but saying that you don't like it because everyone has one has got to be the stupidest reason I've ever heard.

I gave a lot of legitimate reasons why I dumped my iPhone but being unique is also a big motivator for a lot of people. So what if I got tired of using the same phone OS for last three years. Features have been added but the look hasn't and it's well, it's boring. I'm not the only one either who thinks so, I've personally converted over 12 other women who were iPhone users to a Galaxy Note and all of them say the same thing, I wish I had this phone sooner.
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post #173 of 217
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While the site is marginally better with ignore lists you still end up with a bunch of folks quoting the morons you're ignoring.

As I have discovered - still it's better than nothing.

I think the moderators have had a bad day today with this thread.
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I gave a lot of legitimate reasons why I dumped my iPhone but being unique is also a big motivator for a lot of people. ...

There's nothing unique about being "unique" in this way. It's called being a contrarian, and it makes you just like a whole lot of other people.
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I gave a lot of legitimate reasons why I dumped my iPhone but being unique is also a big motivator for a lot of people. So what if I got tired of using the same phone OS for last three years. Features have been added but the look hasn't and it's well, it's boring. I'm not the only one either who thinks so, I've personally converted over 12 other women who were iPhone users to a Galaxy Note and all of them say the same thing, I wish I had this phone sooner.

1) Having several rational reasons doesn't make your irrational reasons rational.

2) You are converting women from the iPhone? This is you mission in life? Are you getting them to install untested and incomplete builds of ICS, too? Personally,

3) Converting woman from the iPhone to the Galaxy Note is akin to Rihanna setting her freinds up with Chris Brown. #Joke

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post #176 of 217
"Isaacson said he felt that Android had ripped off many of his ideas found in the iPhone and Pad, and that his ire was very eal, according to Macworld."

I wasn't aware Isaacson had anything to do with creating iOS.
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"Isaacson said he felt that Android had ripped off many of his ideas found in the iPhone and Pad, and that his ire was very eal, according to Macworld."

I wasn't aware Isaacson had anything to do with creating iOS.

"His" is referring to Steve Jobs, not Isaacson.
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post #178 of 217
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I gave a lot of legitimate reasons why I dumped my iPhone but being unique is also a big motivator for a lot of people. So what if I got tired of using the same phone OS for last three years. Features have been added but the look hasn't and it's well, it's boring. I'm not the only one either who thinks so, I've personally converted over 12 other women who were iPhone users to a Galaxy Note and all of them say the same thing, I wish I had this phone sooner.

Frankly I'd rather have something that works and might be considered boring by someone who needs to find excitement in everything, than have something that constantly changes in unexpected exciting ways, but generally doesn't just keep working quietly.

And please don't go BS-ing us. Converting 12 of anyone in the short time the Note has actually been available is so highly unlikely in the world of 2 year contracts as to be nothing other than an empty lie.

If you really were that good you would be in a different business and not have time for us as you would be too successful off making real $$.
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Frankly I'd rather have something that works and might be considered boring by someone who needs to find excitement in everything, than have something that constantly changes in unexpected exciting ways, but generally doesn't just keep working quietly.

And please don't go BS-ing us. Converting 12 of anyone in the short time the Note has actually been available is so highly unlikely in the world of 2 year contracts as to be nothing other than an empty lie.

If you really were that good you would be in a different business and not have time for us as you would be too successful off making real $$.

Too small for a tablet, too big for a phone - Galaxy Note avoid one today.
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Too small for a tablet, too big for a phone - Galaxy Note avoid one today.

In the 4-5 weeks they've been available in the US around 3M have been sold (yes sold not shipped) with 5 million total so far. Why won't people simply listen to you and save the heartache.

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In the 4-5 weeks they've been available in the US around 3M have been sold (yes sold not shipped) with 5 million total so far. Why won't people simply listen to you and save the heartache. ...

Because there are always people willing to whore themselves out for money and say that things they know to be shit are great. Unfortunately, as well, some people will always listen to them.
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In the 4-5 weeks they've been available in the US around 3M have been sold (yes sold not shipped) with 5 million total so far. Why won't people simply listen to you and save the heartache.

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iPhone sales higher than all other smartphones combined

5 weeks and what Apple sells in a couple days?

Note started at $300 on contract, 5 weeks in you can already find some on smaller operators advertising for $199. Price slides that hard aren't indicators of sustainable success. Got any other underwhelming stats?
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iPhone sales higher than all other smartphones combined

5 weeks and what Apple sells in a couple days?

Note started at $300 on contract, 5 weeks in you can already find some on smaller operators advertising for $199. Price slides that hard aren't indicators of sustainable success. Got any other underwhelming stats?

Nope. Everything pales compared to the iPhone.
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Nope. Everything pales compared to the iPhone.

Glad you finally see the light.
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like anyone actually believes that...

Why wouldn't they? Do you have an example of a smartphone or tablet release that doesn't pale in comparison? I can't think of one.
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Because of confirmation bias.

Pot, kettle

This is fun.

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Android does not take code from iOS.

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Apple's entire original OS was "inspired" by Xerox's UI- everyone knows that. But you don't see Xerox suing Apple today.

Probably because Apple paid them to get access to it? Always funny how the perpetuators of the "Apple stole from Xerox" crap always leave that out.

In the Jobs biography, we learn from others (not Jobs) that Jobs even berated Xerox management for being "stupid" for not utilizing the technology they had.

Yup, sounds like "stealing"

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The "widget" interface, though used by Apple, is pretty much everywhere now - even without Google.

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And REALLY now, would you REALLY want Steve to spend all $45B of (then) Apple's war chest on going after Google? As successful as Steve was, the board would fire him (AGAIN) over that.

I don't know - Apple's position with their legal action against Android manufacturers hasn't changed - if anything as they get new patents they are amending their claims with them.

Yup, a total reversal from when Steve was still alive

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Tim's management is beginning to impress me personally - he is addressing issues Steve largely ignored (dividends, worker conditions, cop orate dividends).

Which could have been underway or planned from a long time ago. Or it could be all Tim Cook - either way it really doesn't matter except for some ridiculous scoreboard many seem intent on keeping.

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Steve was a great product visionary, but I have a feeling, Cook is a better managing CEO.

Tim was CEO for most of the last five years with Steve around. But really, titles are pretty stupid and meaningless - much like the argument over PC, Post PC and other pedantic semantical BS that über geeks get off on. Here's all that matters - Steve, Tim, Phil, Jonathan and the rest of the senior executives are a team. They play off of each others strengths. And Steve positioned them and infused him with his DNA so that Apple is no longer just about him, but it's own thing that can (and is) living on beyond him. He was often quoted before the end of saying the thing he was most proud of was Apple itself.

So arguing over nit-picky crap like who's the better CEO is really irrelevant. Carry on if it satisfies that geeky little part of you that just have to have everything in a neatly labeled box. Whether or not you realize or want to admit it, it doesn't matter one bit in the least.
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There's no point in arguing with fools.

Then why quote them? Ugh - if the ignore list only blocked their lame asses being quoted too....
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As far as how people view your brand... Apple could be viewed as an aggressor by defending its ip so aggressively and then, if Apple was to lose, then Apple could be viewed as a loser.

And from what perspective is all this "viewing"? Apple haters that would never buy an Apple device in the first place?

Ooh - I'll bet Apple is quaking in their boots.

Let's leave the land of fantasy and enter reality. If Apple wishes to keep their IP, they have to defend it. They also have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to defend their IP. All your other touchy-feely crap is just that - crap.

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[Apple should have, imo, just sat down at the table with the Android crew and worked out a deal... by not doing that then you get what we have today... courtroom battles galore.

Er, Schmidt was on the Apple board and Jobs and Schmidt were even saw talking in public. Nice for you to assume Apple is shooting first and asking question later

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Of course the Android vendors are going to fight like hell against Apple... as you said, lawyers are cheap in comparison. Make a deal then most likely you avoid the fight to the death.

You could always say it's far cheaper to steal than develop your own IP. Especially when your competitor is probably a good decade ahead of you and you have no hope of naturally catching up. Gambling with the lawyers for that last hail-mary isn't that much of a stretch when your facing complete irrelevancy in the largest opportunity since the original personal computer.

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When I look at all of these court cases I don't see a big win anywhere for Apple.

That's because you don't see any value in what Apple brought to the table. Color me shocked!

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Had Apple made Android license the ip in the first place... that, to me, would have been a big win.

For Android manufacturers! Why figure hard stuff out when you can either just steal it or bully someone into licensing it to you.

What a grim and uninspired world yours would be...

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As I said before... I didn't say that Apple should open up its labs, but I do think that Apple has to do better at picking its battles.

And I think I'm glad that you are no where in the decision tree for Apple strategy and that Apple is doing just fine picking their battles.

The reason you see all the posturing is because this is literally the fight for the largest new market since the personal computer - one that will be even bigger!
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Wow. How does Apple attract so many of this type of person?

You think evangelists are unique to Apple? Hahaha!

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P.S. Is Apple also the truth and the light?

No, but they do design awesome products that techies seem to take glee in disparaging in irrational and emotional ways.

It might having something to do with the fact that normal people can use them to do simple and advanced things without having to pray at the alter of high geekiness. The fulfillment of that whole "Computer for the Rest of Us" that was routinely mocked by the same crowd in the 90's.

Animals often get extremely aggressive when backed into a corner - hence the tech press and blogosphere reaction to Apple's success. Fear of irrelevancy...
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When you tell a blatant lie like you did above, and you act smug about it, you really just embarrass yourself.

The sad thing is, I think you lack the self awareness sufficient to be embarrassed about it.

The problem is there aren't that many people who are informed to challenge idiots like this guy combined with either his own ignorance or denial being so strong that he probably actually believes the tripe he's peddling.

Or he's getting his jollies or being paid to troll. Ya just gotta love anonymous posters on the Internet!
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I've been to religious forums. I've been to political forums.
And I've never seen any forum like this one. Apple fans are ardent.

Then you don't get out much. Even this thread is TAME. Want to see some real frothing religious zealots? Go check out the DailyKOS. What's hilarious is they think they are normal!
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Yes I know, big reason why I know longer have a iPhone 4, not Divx, it would be nice if Apple would support pretty much every codec like Android but not needed.

Yes, it's a shame you are stuck with exactly what Apple gives you and that you can't augment the functionality of Apple devices. At all.

It's as if they are lacking some sort of store where you could get apps. Perhaps someone clever will suggest it to them.

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it's very boring and everyone has one.

Yup, having your life ran by what everyone else is or isn't doing isn't boring

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Plus after using such a large screen with a 1280 x 800 rez I don't think I can ever go back to using such a small screen. Not after what I know.

Er, it's called an iPad? Then again I don't know why I bother - it's obvious that Android mixes better with your needs. Good for you.

Why are you here again?
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Eh, it's not for everyone. Some people don't want to reencode their media to supported formats, and while I don't get why they wouldn't want modern formats, I understand why they wouldn't want to have the hassle of doing it.

There are plenty of ways to play divix on iOS devices - most of them cost money. I can understand how this would be an offensive concept to someone who is looking to play divix encoded media
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You'll be surprised how often that factors into purchasing decisions, especially in luxury goods.

Yup, and I'd hope you woldn't be surprised a how statistically insignificant the "not buying because everyone else has one" is in comparison to "buying because it's popular"
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Yes I am running a custom rom of my own doing.

Congratulations. You are a fraction of a fraction.

Your arguing against Budwiser by brewing your own beer in your basement.

Good luck with that.
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I gave a lot of legitimate reasons why I dumped my iPhone but being unique is also a big motivator for a lot of people.

Sure. Like driving a Prius. Can enable you to feel smug and superior without having to actually do anything meaningful!
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There are plenty of ways to play divix on iOS devices - most of them cost money. I can understand how this would be an offensive concept to someone who is looking to play divix encoded media

I don't see how that'd be a problem for them. They'd just jailbreak and pirate the apps needed to do it.

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