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post #81 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:15am
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Yes and you fell for it.

Touche salesman.
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post #82 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

[...] "He said, 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.' "[...]

Sounds like Larry Ellison and Oracle are saying the same thing.

Good luck in court, Google. The 'doing evil' thing isn't going to pay off for you.

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post #83 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:46am
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are you kidding... Steve Jobs recommended Tim Cook for CEO, and made sure(and trusted him) by giving him a golden handshake of like 500 million dollars(stock options) after 10 years... just so he would follow Steve's vision for five years. IMO. if anything Steve Jobs knew people, thus Tim Cook was the only person that Steve Jobs would trust with the job.

I'm curious what evidence there is that Tim Cook is the wrong guy for CEO or that Scott Forstall is CEO material. In Walter Isaacson's book Steve was quoted as saying Jony Ive had more operational power and understood Apple at its core better than anyone else. But I think it's well known he has no interest in being CEO. Quite honestly I could see Eddy Cue as CEO before Scott Forstall. In Adam Lashinsky's book "Inside Apple" he said the only Apple executives who attended Steve's burial service were Tim Cook, Jony Ive and Eddy Cue. That leads me to believe those three were the closest to Steve and probably have the most clout at Apple.
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post #84 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:51am
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A year before Apple went to Xerox they started working on a powerful graphics engine (later became known as QuickDraw). The idea to use that engine to create a graphical user interface was inspired by Xerox. Not the "entire OS". Not only that, Apple paid to talk with Xerox's engineers, and made it clear that they were going to make a consumer product based on those ideas. And not only that, hired a few of the original engineers from Xerox. At the time Xerox was not interested in a consumer computer, but targeted the enterprise... they wanted to create a paperless office. Furthermore, Xerox DID sue Apple.

Didn't Larry Tesler work for Apple for most of the 80's?
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post #85 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:54am
Google thought it up it up all on their own. Apple wasn't a factor at all...right?



Larry Page is a douche, and android sucks balls.
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post #86 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

The bolded part... you need to learn more about this.

The rest I can agree with for the most part.

Thanks island - it was pointed out ... "A year before Apple went to Xerox they started working on a powerful graphics engine (later became known as QuickDraw). The idea to use that engine to create a graphical user interface was inspired by Xerox. Not the "entire OS". Not only that, Apple paid to talk with Xerox's engineers, and made it clear that they were going to make a consumer product based on those ideas. And not only that, hired a few of the original engineers from Xerox. At the time Xerox was not interested in a consumer computer, but targeted the enterprise... they wanted to create a paperless office. Furthermore, Xerox DID sue Apple."

Learned a little bit more about the Xerox history...
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post #87 of 222
4/5/12 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I'm inclined to think Larry Page is delusional to think Steve didn't mind the rip off!

Yeah, I think Steve Jobs was doing was keep your friends close and your enemies closer to find out what they are doing. I think Android is going to be doomed to failure and it not soley based on my bias towards Apple. It is based on observations.

Apple has consistency, higher customer satisfaction, customer service, more control over a MUCH better ecosystem, better able to attract and please the Corporate and K-University market, which are VERY important.

Is there a reason why Mercedes Benz dealerships have switched from Dell/Windows to Apple desktops, iPads, iPhones and create a bunch of free download apps for their products?

How about 25% or so Cisco employees use Macs/iPhones, etc.?

How about GE starting to let Apple products for their employees, various banks, Nordsrom, other long term High Profile corporate customers.

Go to www.google.com and they don't even have a tab that says ANDROID. Google's own website looks like an amateur made it. It is just a joke to me.

Corporations want to rely on a company that has a COMPLETE solution rather than a fragmented one. I think that Dell and HP, being big Microsoft partners are going to abandon Android altogether once Microsoft releases Windows 8.

Now, here is an interesting observation. Based on Market Capitalization Apple is worth more than Microsoft, HP, Dell, Sony's Computer Division, Samsung's Computer Division, ASUS, Lenovo, Acer and probably Toshiba's Computer division COMBINED and they have more upward momentum than all of them combined. Google Market Cap has been fairly flat. If things go as they have like the past 2 years, you can throw Google into the group. Nuff said.
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post #88 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

There are many similarities; there is no word-for-word copying. Android does not take code from iOS.

Only because they stole the basis for their code from Java instead of Objective-C. Which brings up the other lawsuit...
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post #89 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I'm inclined to think Larry Page is delusional to think Steve didn't mind the rip off!

Yeah, I think Steve Jobs was doing was keep your friends close and your enemies closer to find out what they are doing. I think Android is going to be doomed to failure and it not soley based on my bias towards Apple. It is based on observations.

Apple has consistency, higher customer satisfaction, customer service, more control over a MUCH better ecosystem, better able to attract and please the Corporate and K-University market, which are VERY important.

Is there a reason why Mercedes Benz dealerships have switched from Dell/Windows to Apple desktops, iPads, iPhones and create a bunch of free download apps for their products?

How about 25% or so Cisco employees use Macs/iPhones, etc.?

How about GE starting to let Apple products for their employees, various banks, Nordsrom, other long term High Profile corporate customers.

Go to www.google.com and they don't even have a tab that says ANDROID. Google's own website looks like an amateur made it. It is just a joke to me.

Corporations want to rely on a company that has a COMPLETE solution rather than a fragmented one. I think that Dell and HP, being big Microsoft partners are going to abandon Android altogether once Microsoft releases Windows 8.

Now, here is an interesting observation. Based on Market Capitalization Apple is worth more than Microsoft, HP, Dell, Sony's Computer Division, Samsung's Computer Division, ASUS, Lenovo, Acer and probably Toshiba's Computer division COMBINED and they have more upward momentum than all of them combined. Google Market Cap has been fairly flat. If things go as they have like the past 2 years, you can throw Google into the group.


Do you think a big corporation is going to do a quality presentation to the CIO that will compete against Apple's story?

Yeah, the Google rep might tell the CIO in an Executive Briefing - "Well, the top apps sold for our tablets are games, game, social network, games, and oh, we have this Google Doc app which looks like a child created the GUI and we promise we won't give out personal information. And you can have ADs on your internal applications so we can make money since our OS is Open Source." And while the Google rep is being kicked out of the account, he yell back to the CIO, but Sir, WE HAVE ANGRY BIRDS!! And Facebook apps!

Nuff said.
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post #90 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:17am
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I'm inclined to think Larry Page is delusional to think Steve didn't mind the rip off!

Actually, Steve screwed up by allowing Eric $_h_it onto the board of directors without having himself on Google's board of directors during the same time period.
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post #91 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:18am
Some guys in this thread post just to provoke. Please don't quote these silly posts, it doesn't help!

Thanks!
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post #92 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

A year before Apple went to Xerox they started working on a powerful graphics engine (later became known as QuickDraw). The idea to use that engine to create a graphical user interface was inspired by Xerox. Not the "entire OS". Not only that, Apple paid to talk with Xerox's engineers, and made it clear that they were going to make a consumer product based on those ideas. And not only that, hired a few of the original engineers from Xerox. At the time Xerox was not interested in a consumer computer, but targeted the enterprise... they wanted to create a paperless office. Furthermore, Xerox DID sue Apple.

Yeah, and the judge dismissed the case against Apple.
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post #93 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:27am
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Actually, Steve screwed up by allowing Eric $_h_it onto the board of directors without having himself on Google's board of directors during the same time period.

I believe Schmidt joined Apple's board only after Apple had made the decision to go full speed on the iPhone and after Google had responded by buying Android. Schmidt was properly excluded from board meetings that involved iPhone development. While Schmidt knew Apple was developing a mobile phone, Apple seems to have done an excellent job of keeping iPhone specifics secret until the January 2007 keynote.
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post #94 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

Can people just stop with this bullshit? All these assholes just want a few seconds in the spotlight leeching off the SJ name and trying to convince people THEY know what he meant. The guy is dead, leave him alone with his words and stop trying to fucking reinterpret them to your own benefit.

But Google owns YouTube which lets any a$$wipe post illegal and amateur content. Personally, I think Google is run by a bunch of rich, ego-based childish mentality that is more interested in "everything for free", an awfully designed web site, really uninspiring presentations while they sell ads. I saw a Powerpoint presentation they gave when they were making some big announcement and I thought i was going to fall asleep. just real boring presentations while they showed some really cheap clone laptop with some God awful operating system with basic functionality. Even Chrome is just a really bad GUI.
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post #95 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:35am
I make a simple post about a guy living in his parent's basement and the mods are all over it.

On the other hand some twit can come on here and disparage Steve Job's death in several posts and the mods just let it continue.

I'd like to think that the majority of the members would find disparaging Steve's death is at least on the same level as saying some guy lives in his parent's basement, and deserves some reprimand.

... and at the very least very very off topic for a number of posts.

... but apparently the mods think not.

Mod fail, imho.
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post #96 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Unless Isaacson can show what exactly is copied verbatim by Android, he is full of shit.

Let me get this straight, in order for Isaacson's comment about how Jobs expressed his feeling about Android to be true Isaacson must became a HW designer, SW developer, a patent lawyer and whatever other expertise is neccesary just to prove Jobs made such a statement to him, despite knowing that Jobs has made such a statement to the world? Brilliant logic¡

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post #97 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:43am
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At least I am around to set that example, not dodging my responsibilities.

Setting a bad example is dodging your responsibilities. But it's ok when you do it I guess.
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post #98 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:55am
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I make a simple post about a guy living in his parent's basement and the mods are all over it.

On the other hand some twit can come on here and disparage Steve Job's death in several posts and the mods just let it continue.

I'd like to think that the majority of the members would find disparaging Steve's death is at least on the same level as saying some guy lives in his parent's basement, and deserves some reprimand.

... and at the very least very very off topic for a number of posts.

... but apparently the mods think not.

Mod fail, imho.

The big question is why MOD let this nobody, admitted by himself: "I live, he dies", spamming forum. What do they think we can learn from this sad guy?

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post #99 of 222
4/5/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by haar View Post

so they lucked out, IMO Tim Cook has "bigger fish to fry".

He'll eventually do what Steve would have done about Android had he lived long enough to execute.

But in his own, quiet assassin way, full of logistics, precision and finishing touches that Steve never would have thought of.

And when all is said and done, we'll say: "That's why Steve chose him of all the stars in the Apple galaxy"
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post #100 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Let me get this straight, in order for Isaacson's comment about how Jobs expressed his feeling about Android to be true Isaacson must became a HW designer, SW developer, a patent lawyer and whatever other expertise is neccesary just to prove Jobs made such a statement to him, despite knowing that Jobs has made such a statement to the world? Brilliant logic¡

I looks form the text I quoted below that these words were Isaacson's own opinion, rather than a quote from Jobs. Even if Jobs said that, it's not unlikely he said it to keep on the show as Page suggested. The fact that so many are offended by this idea proves how efficient creating an enemy is. It doesn't quite work to say, "We've got a respectable competition; they have some ideas of their own and they borrow some from us and others, it will be difficult to remain unique, so we'll have to compete on features and price..."

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"It's almost copied verbatim by Android," Isaacson said. "And they license it around promiscuously. And then Android starts surpassing Apple in market share, and this totally infuriated him. It wasn't a matter of money. He said, 'You can't pay me off, I'm here to destroy you.'"
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post #101 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:04pm
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Hmmm... I don't think Tim Cook is failing at all. Last September I commented on here that I wondered what Tim Cook really felt about these lawsuits. If Isaacson is right then we can see that Tim would rather just end this lawsuit chapter at Apple (not that there won't be others) and move forward with a new Apple.

In my opinion, Steve's vision should have stayed in the lab with Ive. The idea of trying to destroy Android is just stupid. Go the same route as Microsoft, get as many $$$ as you can from licensing fees and put that money into developing projects that will destroy Android on the sales playing field.

Steve was not right about everything.

If you have no interest in protecting your IP then you shouldn't bother with patents (trademarks or copyrights). Just open source everything and let all your patent lawyers go. But that simply isn't how it works.

Apple and Jobs knew this would happen. It's happened before and it'll happen again. When you create something that changes the world there are going to be copycats... it's why we have all these legal protections in place. They might not have known to the extent Google, Samsung, et al. would blatantly rip off their IP, but that's the game, and they knew that the path to success they created would make it easier for others to mimic their efforts without all the R&D.

Think about how the clovis point changed the world. The technology was rapidly adopted as new people came across the new, and dramatically better style of blade. It's not as easy to make as previous points but it was vastly superior that for those that were introduced to it it became the only viable option. The iPhone did that to the smartphone world in HW, SW, ecosystem, services, and usability. Remember how the physical keyboard was required for anything other than a toy?

Samsung took a huge gamble with their blatantly copying and as a result they are the most profitable vendor using Android. Does that mean others should have stolen from Apple? It sure seems like it based on their inability to turn a profit. Will Samsung be forced to pay a huge fine? I think that is likely, but will they be better off than they would have been without using Apple's IP to get products on the market? I think that is also likely.

We can talk of ethics but in business that comes down to one thing: cost. Within the cost of being unethical there are two primary considerations. One, how a court or out-of-court settlement might affect your ability to profit from the theft. (The legal fees are pocket change to corporations so that isn't even a consideration.) Two, how the public might view your brand after it knows or your unethical actions. To wit, could it inhibit your long term ability to selll to customers?

When you're the underdog you have little to lose (or potentially nothing) and a lot to gain. Right or wrong, isn't even a factor here, it is about the ends justifying the means.

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post #102 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:04pm
What the hell is the deal with these disgusting Fandroid trolls?

They should immediately be banned, in my humble opinion. I'm not a mod of course, so that's just my personal view.

I don't come to Appleinsider to read lame, tasteless, immature jokes about a dead Steve Jobs, and I refuse to participate in the same thread where human vermin is also allowed to post. That's all that I have to say about this topic.
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post #103 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Unless Isaacson can show what exactly is copied verbatim by Android, he is full of shit.

I think its hilarious how people act like there have been touch screen cell phones for decades, apps on phones, multi-touch, etc.

Frankly, I think you're full of shit. You're a dishonest person who is supporting theft, for your own motivation.

Casual support for evil, as you do here, is exactly why the world is not a much better place.
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post #104 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

Setting a bad example is dodging your responsibilities. But it's ok when you do it I guess.

Hmmm, denying paternity -vs- parenting style choice? Yeah, they compare /s

I teach my kids to call a spade a spade, honesty goes along way. Or I guess by your rational I could just deny they are mine, that would be better.
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post #105 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:07pm
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I don't come to Appleinsider to read lame, tasteless, immature jokes about a dead Steve Jobs, and I refuse to participate in the same thread where human vermin is also allowed to post.

But yet you participated. I wish they made a thumbs down emoticon,you earned it.

I thought middle school let out at 4??????
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post #106 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by Jessi View Post

I think its hilarious how people act like there have been touch screen cell phones for decades, apps on phones, multi-touch, etc.

There have been touch screen cell phones, apps on phones, and multitouch for decades. Do some reading if you were born too late to have seen any of this.


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Frankly, I think you're full of shit. You're a dishonest person who is supporting theft, for your own motivation.

Casual support for evil, as you do here, is exactly why the world is not a much better place.

Frankly, I don't care what the average dimwit thinks based on some rants on the internet.
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post #107 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:19pm
Some of these posts have lead me to add someone to my ignore list for the first time.

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post #108 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

I make a simple post about a guy living in his parent's basement and the mods are all over it.

On the other hand some twit can come on here and disparage Steve Job's death in several posts and the mods just let it continue.

I'd like to think that the majority of the members would find disparaging Steve's death is at least on the same level as saying some guy lives in his parent's basement, and deserves some reprimand.

... and at the very least very very off topic for a number of posts.

... but apparently the mods think not.

Mod fail, imho.

I'm going on record to say that I adamantly oppose it, but that's me.
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post #109 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

If you have no interest in protecting your IP then you shouldn't bother with patents (trademarks or copyrights). Just open source everything and let all your patent lawyers go. But that simply isn't how it works.

Apple and Jobs knew this would happen. It's happened before and it'll happen again. When you create something that changes the world there are going to be copycats... it's why we have all these legal protections in place. They might not have known to the extent Google, Samsung, et al. would blatantly rip off their IP, but that's the game, and they knew that the path to success they created would make it easier for others to mimic their efforts without all the R&D.

Think about how the clovis point changed the world. The technology was rapidly adopted as new people came across the new, and dramatically better style of blade. It's not as easy to make as previous points but it was vastly superior that for those that were introduced to it it became the only viable option. The iPhone did that to the smartphone world in HW, SW, ecosystem, services, and usability. Remember how the physical keyboard was required for anything other than a toy?

Samsung took a huge gamble with their blatantly copying and as a result they are the most profitable vendor using Android. Does that mean others should have stolen from Apple? It sure seems like it based on their inability to turn a profit. Will Samsung be forced to pay a huge fine? I think that is likely, but will they be better off than they would have been without using Apple's IP to get products on the market? I think that is also likely.

We can talk of ethics but in business that comes down to one thing: cost. Within the cost of being unethical there are two primary considerations. One, how a court or out-of-court settlement might affect your ability to profit from the theft. (The legal fees are pocket change to corporations so that isn't even a consideration.) Two, how the public might view your brand after it knows or your unethical actions. To wit, could it inhibit your long term ability to selll to customers?

When you're the underdog you have little to lose (or potentially nothing) and a lot to gain. Right or wrong, isn't even a factor here, it is about the ends justifying the means.


I don't think I was saying otherwise. Not even close to it.

Microsoft is getting $$$ for licensing ip to Android vendors. As it is, Apple, for the most part, is getting nothing except a big legal bill.

There is nothing that says Apple will win. That is all up in the air.

As far as how people view your brand... Apple could be viewed as an aggressor by defending its ip so aggressively and then, if Apple was to lose, then Apple could be viewed as a loser. [Apple should have, imo, just sat down at the table with the Android crew and worked out a deal... by not doing that then you get what we have today... courtroom battles galore. Of course the Android vendors are going to fight like hell against Apple... as you said, lawyers are cheap in comparison. Make a deal then most likely you avoid the fight to the death.]

When I look at all of these court cases I don't see a big win anywhere for Apple. Had Apple made Android license the ip in the first place... that, to me, would have been a big win.

As I said before... I didn't say that Apple should open up its labs, but I do think that Apple has to do better at picking its battles.
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4/5/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by LuxoM3 View Post

Google cheated because they lack the ..... capacity... to do the right thing.

Now they will pay for it, as they deserve.

Pay for it how? Google are going to get away with this from the looks of it. Android is a bigger threat to itself than any lawsuits.

I do wonder though. Apple are going full pelt to protect their iOS IP but aren't suing all the Macbook Pro clone makers - what gives?
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4/5/12 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio View Post

Because of confirmation bias.

Yes DrDroop, you have finally seen your reflection in your own mirror.
Now, was that so painful?
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4/5/12 at 12:32pm
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Bad is your opinion. Telling the truth and holding people responsible (alive or dead) in my house hold is a good thing, obviously in your house hold you prefer different. Now to deny ones own paternity to a child, lie in court about it and force the child's mother onto welfare, I consider bad and inexcusable, you apparently do not. I now see why you so diligently defend Steve'o.

Bullies like yourself always rationalize as to why they are being a dick.
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4/5/12 at 12:34pm
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Bullies like yourself always rationalize as to why they are being a dick.

So holding a person responsible is bad????? Telling the truth is bad??????
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4/5/12 at 12:36pm
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Some of these posts have lead me to add someone to my ignore list for the first time.


I just did the same .. bye bye Hellacool. You have the honor of being the only person on my ignore list! And the best thing is ... I won't even be able to see any ignorant response you might have to my message!
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4/5/12 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by mhikl View Post

Yes DrDroop, you have finally seen your reflection in your own mirror.
Now, was that so painful?

I consider nothing that is human alien to me.

I doubt you'd understand that though, seeing how you can't even spell my name correctly.
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4/5/12 at 12:45pm
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So holding a person responsible is bad????? Telling the truth is bad??????

No, you're bad.
Welcome to my ignore list... for ignor-amuses.
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post #117 of 222
4/5/12 at 12:47pm
This place is beginning to be like MacRumor.

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4/5/12 at 12:49pm
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Biographer Walter Isaacson has disputed Google CEO Larry Page's assertion that Steve Jobs only said disparaging remarks about its Android mobile operating system to rally his own employees.

Page's comments came from an interview this week in which he said he believed Jobs's hatred of Android was merely "for show." The Google CEO suggested that the comments from Jobs served the best interests of Apple in giving its employees something to fight against.

What he meant was that SJ hated Android fo sho. The interviewer just misunderstood.
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4/5/12 at 12:51pm
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No, you're bad.
Welcome to my ignore list... for ignor-amuses.

You present the truth and people run and hide.
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4/5/12 at 12:51pm
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Personally, I think Google is run by a bunch of rich, ego-based childish mentality that is more interested in "everything for free", an awfully designed web site, really uninspiring presentations while they sell ads.

That's called innovashun.
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