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Journalist Rob Schmitz, who exposed Mike Daisey's fabrications and exaggerations of Apple's Chinese suppliers, has produced an inside look at how Apple's iPad gets built in China for American Public Media's Marketplace.

Schmitz has published a series of reports on Marketplace detailing factory conditions in China and interviewing both workers and their supervisors.

Since unraveling Daisey's fictionalized portrayal of conditions among Apple suppliers last month, Schmitz has detailed his own findings in China, with unprecedented access granted by Apple and Foxconn.

In a new video tour posted today, Schmitz revealed an exclusive look into how iPads are built and tested.



"The first misconception I had about Foxconn’s Longhua facility in the city of Shenzhen was that I’ve always called it a ‘factory’ -- technically, it is," Schmitz wrote. "But after you enter the gates and walk around, you quickly realize that it’s also a city -- 240,000 people work here. Nearly 50,000 of them live on campus in shared dorm rooms.

"There’s a main drag lined on both sides with fast-food restaurants, banks, cafes, grocery stores, a wedding photo shop, and an automated library. There are basketball courts, tennis courts, a gym, two enormous swimming pools, and a bright green astroturf soccer stadium smack-dab in the middle of campus. There’s a radio station -- Voice of Foxconn -- and a television news station. Longhua even has its own fire department, located right on main street."

Schmitz describes working conditions that involve tedious work and long hours, but characterizes reports of terrible sweatshop conditions as being sensationalized fiction.

"There have been poisoned workers, and Apple’s own audits have caught underage workers at factories making Apple products, but here’s another fact that also might be missing from this whole conversation: From what we know these are rare occurrences in Apple’s supply chain. Life at factories that make Apple products is not all hunky-dory, but the truth is much more complicated than how Daisey’s portrayed the situation," he wrote.

Jobs on China in 2010

In the summer of 2010, Steve Jobs responded similarly when asked by Kara Swisher of the Wall Street Journal about factory conditions in Apple's Chinese suppliers.


Apple's Chief Executive Steve Jobs at the 2010 D8 Conference. Photo credit Engadget


"We are on top of this," Jobs said. "We look at everything at these companies. I can tell you a few things that we know. And we are all over this. Foxconn is not a sweatshop.

"It's a factory, but my gosh, they have restaurants and movie theaters, but it's a factory. But they've had some suicides and attempted suicides, and they have 400,000 people there. The rate is under what the US rate is, but it's still troubling."

The suicide rate at Foxconn's plant reached 13 out of 400,000 employees in the first half of 2010, less than the U.S. rate of 11 per 100,000.


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Schmitz's seem fairly fair and balanced here
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If Apple wasn't such a huge and successful company their labor issues would be non existent. Why doesn't some one look into FoxCon and how they build components for HP, Dell, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony and Samsung among many more. But no we gotta pick on a company that is producing products that show what the people want. Other companies can only sit there and bitch and mone.

Political ploy to discredit Apple by the competition plain and simple.
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"Theres a main drag lined on both sides with fast-food restaurants, banks, cafes, grocery stores, a wedding photo shop, and an automated library. There are basketball courts, tennis courts, a gym, two enormous swimming pools, and a bright green astroturf soccer stadium smack-dab in the middle of campus.

"It's a factory, but my gosh, they have restaurants and movie theaters,



It sounds like paradise.
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It sounds like paradise.

compared to the any other factory job in China, it is. You need a reality reset. They dont live in the US, where every other joker whats to set the standard for the Chinese people.
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Much different view of the Foxconn factory environment than the media has portrayed it. Believe only 50% of the media. A lot times they sensationalize things to get a reaction so they get more web hits or sell more papers. They might not get paid a ton of money, but making $8 a hour at McDonalds in America isn't exactly living in pristine living conditions either.
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Somebody tried asking Leonovo, HP, Samsung, etc. about their working conditions and was stone walled.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...s-supply-chain
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It sounds like paradise.

I know you are being sarcastic, but when a rural farmer's son can go to town and get a job that can earn 6 to 7 times more than what his farmer father can make ... it's still pretty good.

Even if it isn't paradise.
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Much different view of the Foxconn factory environment than the media has portrayed it. Believe only 50% of the media. A lot times they sensationalize things to get a reaction so they get more web hits or sell more papers. They might not get paid a ton of money, but making $8 a hour at McDonalds in America isn't exactly living in pristine living conditions either.

That video was boring. Where are the slave girls that myapplelove claims exist?

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Somebody tried asking Leonovo, HP, Samsung, etc. about their working conditions and was stone walled.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...s-supply-chain

Two wrong make a right?

Why should they? The standard of living in China has been going up for decades without all these Western activists screaming. China's had the record double-digit GDP growth for well-over a decades (even if they are fake) - a feat only accomplished by Japan, Germany, South Korea.
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Wow, a balanced, even-handed, non-sensational report. I wonder how quickly it will be ignored by the majority of the press?
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It sounds like paradise.

Well then I'm sure they would be more then happy to have you.
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.
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post #14 of 38
Unfucking believable!

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post #15 of 38
Yeah I agree. Some people are either genuinely honest to goodness clueless or simply have a desperate need to stroke that inner Mike Daisey built-in to them.

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Unfucking believable!
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Deleted. Forgot about not feeding the Zither troll.
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Poppa Daisey would be proud.

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You sound like you want to play the part of the serpent.
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Y'know something nuts? I think if you would put your comment underneath the quote you are responding to, you might have a better chance of making your comment relevant to that quote. I've been waiting for someone to say something to you, or for you to see that you don't do it like everybody else. It's annoying as hell.

Now what's that about Daisey you're saying?
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compared to the any other factory job in China, it is. You need a reality reset. They dont live in the US, where every other joker whats to set the standard for the Chinese people.

Or perhaps some of us would simply like to suggest that, while countries and cultures differ, there should still be some minimum standard regarding the treatment of human beings, wherever they are.

Otherwise we might as well accept eight-year-olds making tennis shoes for our kids, who I'm sure we are glad aren't doing that sort of thing themselves.

For what its worth, what little I know of China and these factories suggests they do meet a fairly decent standard, and I'm proud that Apple has diligently involved themselves in this issue from very early on.

But why should there be a gap between Apple's concern, and the concerns of those of us
(the "jokers") who use those products?
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Y'know something nuts? I think if you would put your comment underneath the quote you are responding to, you might have a better chance of making your comment relevant to that quote. I've been waiting for someone to say something to you, or for you to see that you don't do it like everybody else. It's annoying as hell.

Now what's that about Daisey you're saying?

Easy dude. Mike Daisey = attention whore

It was aimed at the t***who wasnt supposed to be fed.


Thanks for the tip BTW [No sarcasm intended].
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Right on, i misinterpreted, and sorry for the tone. I thought I was being put on Daisey's side. Wouldn't want to be there unless it was by the pool at a cocktail party. Whoops! So sorry, Mike, I lost my balance.
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Right on, i misinterpreted, and sorry for the tone. I thought I was being put on Daisey's side. Wouldn't want to be there unless it was by the pool at a cocktail party. Whoops! So sorry, Mike, I lost my balance.

It's okay. I can't respond since they've made my ignore list. Life is too short to pay attention to those whose sole purpose in life is to suck it out of others.

Sometimes it's out of genuine cluelessness. Other times it's either there is an empty hole, or because of desperate need for validation or just plain ego trip.
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.

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if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation.

Well, can Americans live with higher prices? What is iPad made in US costed $800 while iPad made in China cost $500? Would the US customer buy the $800 one from US or import a China one?

Do you think the Kindle Fire would have sold as well if it was made in US but cost $299? Everyone is an idealist until they have to pay for a product. The Mac was originally made in US and all everyone complained about was the high price.
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.

Just gather all the people who can grow carrots, man, and like, give 'em some donkeys. Then, they can ride the donkeys to the village blacksmith, who will make them some really nice gardening supplies in exchange for the carrots. The donkey breeders, well they can have some gardening supplies too!
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@Slang4Art: Perfect analogy.
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@Slang4Art: Perfect analogy.

Perfect is a state of mind man, I'm talking about power to the people, free us from our corporate masters. We can sustain without them, and like, the only ones holding us back are the banks and their money.
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.

From a quick look on Wikipedia: In March 2007, Nokia signed a memorandum with Cluj County Council, Romania to open a new plant near the city in Jucu commune.[67][68][69] Moving the production from the Bochum, Germany factory to a low wage country created an uproar in Germany.

Nokia is no different than any other company. Companies manufacture their products wherever they can to maximize profits, To expect anything different would be like a fairytale. Sounds good and feels good, but not going to happen as a rule.

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<reverence>Nokia would not do something like that. Only the evil Apple empire would! </reverence>

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From a quick look on Wikipedia: In March 2007, Nokia signed a memorandum with Cluj County Council, Romania to open a new plant near the city in Jucu commune.[67][68][69] Moving the production from the Bochum, Germany factory to a low wage country created an uproar in Germany.

Nokia is no different than any other company. Companies manufacture their products wherever they can to maximize profits, To expect anything different would be like a fairytale. Sounds good and feels good, but not going to happen as a rule.
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.

We are in "deep financial dodo" because the corrupt politicians and idiotic citizens spend a lot more than they should.
If you're from Europe you probably have the socialist bug. The thinking is that all of us somehow should have the same lifestyle. The Foxconn workers living conditions maybe bad or great, depending what you compare it to. Come and see how some immigrants live in flushing NY and what you're showing in that picture looks like a palace. At least they have natural light whereas in Flushing 10 people live in a basement that is run down.

We have homeless here and lots of them. Most are mental cases, and with so many churches and the food bank, there should be nobody who is starving. Yet you will see many of the homeless beg for money so they can buy food. Of course, they want to buy booze.

Believe me, if there was a manufacturer/factory that could make a buck producing iDevices in the states, Apple would give them the business, but there is no way to do that. Labor unions managed to kill manufacturing a long time ago with their unreasonable demands. Now the people they were trying to protect, are out of a job.
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May I ask for your permission to use this paragraph as my sig? It's a great reminder. I would not be offended if you decline.

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Believe me, if there was a manufacturer/factory that could make a buck producing iDevices in the states, Apple would give them the business, but there is no way to do that. Labor unions managed to kill manufacturing a long time ago with their unreasonable demands. Now the people they were trying to protect, are out of a job.
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Nokia is no different than any other company. Companies manufacture their products wherever they can to maximize profits, To expect anything different would be like a fairytale. Sounds good and feels good, but not going to happen as a rule.

That's exactly right.

The larger point is, a live Apple is better for its home country and its consumers than a dead Nokia.
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This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.


I spent 4 years voluntarily living in a dorm room which wasn't as nice as that. AND, I paid thousands of dollars a year for the opportunity. So what exactly is it that's so inhumane about that room?

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Or perhaps some of us would simply like to suggest that, while countries and cultures differ, there should still be some minimum standard regarding the treatment of human beings, wherever they are.

And who gets to draw the line? Is it a country's responsibility to set its own rules or should other countries be able to choose? If it's up to other countries, should Canada boycott US products because we don't give 1 year of paid maternity leave? Should the Dutch boycott US products because we don't give 8 weeks vacation a year? Should the French boycott US products because we require workers to work more than 32 hours a week?

Sure, if there's something absolutely unacceptable by ANY standard, you might have a point, but there is absolutely nothing in the Foxconn factory which rises to the level of the examples you gave. There are no 8 year olds working there and Foxconn has policies to prevent even 14 or 15 year olds slipping through. No one has been enslaved and dragged to work at the factory. There's just nothing there that's inhumane. Long work hours? Big deal. Most of my career, I've worked over 60 hours a week.

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We are in "deep financial dodo" because the corrupt politicians and idiotic citizens spend a lot more than they should.
If you're from Europe you probably have the socialist bug. The thinking is that all of us somehow should have the same lifestyle. The Foxconn workers living conditions maybe bad or great, depending what you compare it to. Come and see how some immigrants live in flushing NY and what you're showing in that picture looks like a palace. At least they have natural light whereas in Flushing 10 people live in a basement that is run down.

We have homeless here and lots of them. Most are mental cases, and with so many churches and the food bank, there should be nobody who is starving. Yet you will see many of the homeless beg for money so they can buy food. Of course, they want to buy booze.

Believe me, if there was a manufacturer/factory that could make a buck producing iDevices in the states, Apple would give them the business, but there is no way to do that. Labor unions managed to kill manufacturing a long time ago with their unreasonable demands. Now the people they were trying to protect, are out of a job.

That's not even close to being accurate. Manufacturing in the US is difficult for many reasons and unions are only a part of the problem. You should also consider:
- High corporate taxes
- Legal liability costs
- Environmental regulations
- Health and safety regulations
- Corporate overheads
- Aging infrastructure
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"Theres a radio station -- Voice of Foxconn -- and a television news station."

Am I the only one who sees this as a bit Orwellian?

I mean, China's not exactly the place which comes to mind when one thinks of freedom of speech/press, but "Voice of Foxconn" just sounds plain eerie.
 
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I'm sorry the amount of money Apple makes on their margins the jobs deserve to be in America and Europe not all in China. Only a few executives in Apple will make money, if Apple want's to be a truly a great company then the iPads sold in America need to be made in America, The iPads sold in Europe need to be made in Europe and so on and so on. We are in the worse financial situation since the 30's and China holds all the cards, f*ck China bring the employment home. What ever happened to pride of products being made in the origin of their creation. All company's are guilty of this but Apple is the richest now and they need to start sharing that wealth buy bringing the employment home. Either that or make Apple pay their fair share in taxes, no more tax breaks to company's that outsource, period.

This is the living conditions for Foxcons employees.



There are now hundreds of tent cities in every American large city. You can't tell me they wouldn't give a right foot to have work and live in one of these places if it was somewhere in America.

I live in Switzerland, we have .05% homeless and that's because they want to live like that or they don't have papers, why am I mad at this.

That's a big reason why I like Nokia, they make their phones where there going to be sold, well I'm sorry except the US but their building a plant in Sunnyville if they can sell phones. Not all made in China like the rest of them, well ok Samsung also makes their phones at home and so does Sony, Asus, Sharp, HTC and NEC. Actually it seems to be mostly Americans and Europeans who outsource and we wonder why we are in deep financial dodo.


Hate to say this, but you do not know what your talking about. The reason products are no longer made in the US or even in EU on a mass scale, because all the people feel entitled and do not want to actually work. You can not find 500,000 people in the US willing to do the work these young adults want to do. Just go to any fast food place these days more have older retired people or people who have no other choose but to make minimum wage. The old people work since they have a work ethic at least. Young adults feel it is beneath them to do this kind of work.

At least the people in China want to work and the money they make pays the bills in china, making minimum wage in the US does not pay the bills, it take a high skill level to get a job that pays our bills.
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That's not even close to being accurate. Manufacturing in the US is difficult for many reasons and unions are only a part of the problem. You should also consider:
- High corporate taxes
- Legal liability costs
- Environmental regulations
- Health and safety regulations
- Corporate overheads
- Aging infrastructure

I dont disagree, i can probably add to the list but I was referring to the time manufacturing started to leave the US. At the time, things were not as out of control, and labor costs were the primary driver for the manufacturing leaving. What you mention above came later to further make it unlikely that manufacturing would return.
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"Theres a main drag lined on both sides with fast-food restaurants, banks, cafes, grocery stores, a wedding photo shop, and an automated library. There are basketball courts, tennis courts, a gym, two enormous swimming pools, and a bright green astroturf soccer stadium smack-dab in the middle of campus. Theres a radio station -- Voice of Foxconn -- and a television news station. Longhua even has its own fire department, located right on main street."


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wow! i wanna go there!
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