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Microsoft reveals 'Windows RT' as name of ARM-based version of Windows 8

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Microsoft on Monday revealed that there will be three editions of its next-generation desktop operating system: Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows RT.

The Redmond, Wash., company announced the naming scheme in an official blog post. Communications manager Brandon LeBlanc indicated that all three of the editions would "offer a no-compromise experience."

"Windows 8 is the official product name for the next x86/64 editions of Windows," LeBlanc wrote. "For many consumers, Windows 8 will be the right choice."

The Pro edition includes all the features of Windows 8 as well as "encryption, virtualization, PC management and domain connectivity." A "media pack" add-on to Windows 8 Pro will add Windows Media Center functionality. LeBlanc recommends that enthusiasts and customers looking to use their PCs in a "business environment" consider the professional version.


Windows 8 Consumer Preview. | Source: Microsoft


The third version of Windows 8, dubbed Windows RT, will be the company's port to the ARM architecture.

"This single edition will only be available pre-installed on PCs and tablets powered by ARM processors and will help enable new thin and lightweight form factors with impressive battery life," the post read.

Windows RT will include touch-optimized desktop versions of Microsoft Office applications, including Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote. The OS will also not include Windows Media Player.

As previously noted, the ARM-based version of Windows will not support installation of x86/64 and desktop software. Instead, Microsoft intends for developers to focus on WinRT, the new Windows runtime that will form "the foundation of a new generation of cloud-enabled, touch-enabled, web-connected apps of all kinds."

LeBlanc promised to reveal details on Windows 8 pricing, as well as limited-time programs and promotions for customers, in "the coming months." Recent reports have suggested that Microsoft is aiming for an October launch of its new operating system. The first Windows 8 tablets are also expected to arrive early this fall.

Meanwhile, Apple is readying its own desktop operating system upgrade for release later this year. OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion is scheduled to arrive in the summer and will pack over 100 new features.

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They shoulda stuck with Windows RG!

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I'm sure this will sell well, but I don't like the metro interface at all. To me its 5 steps backwards and I think people will have a hard time with it. Its not always apparent what icon you're supposed to choose for something. Not very intuitive.

Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

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1) Wikipedia has nice upgrade and feature comparison charts.
2) What does the RT stand for? Run Time?


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I'm sure this will sell well, but I don't like the metro interface at all. To me its 5 steps backwards and I think people will have a hard time with it. Its not always apparent what icon you're supposed to choose for something. Not very intuitive.

Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

I think it will sell well, but Vista sold well. I expect Apple to revamp nearly all of their Mac line and start a new campaign that will pull users to their platform as MS pushes from the other end.

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I'm sure this will sell well, but I don't like the metro interface at all. To me its 5 steps backwards and I think people will have a hard time with it. Its not always apparent what icon you're supposed to choose for something. Not very intuitive.

Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

Don't confuse "intuitive" with "easy to use". If you were to give a brand new computer user the choice between Metro in Windows 8 and Windows 7, I really think most would pick Metro because it's FAR simpler. That and the fact that the average computer user doesn't tap into most of the functionality of Windows compared to a power user should indicate that it's not really designed for them to begin with.

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1) Wikipedia has nice upgrade and feature comparison charts.
2) What does the RT stand for?

RT stands for RunTime. WinRT is the API which Metro is built off of, analogous to Cocoa in the Mac world.
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Again microsoft chooses a name only an engineer would love. "Windows Touch" would have been a better choice.

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Finally a reduced number of editions…

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Again microsoft chooses a name only an engineer would love. "Windows Touch" would have been a better choice.

But the desktop version is also "touch".
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I'm sure this will sell well, but I don't like the metro interface at all. To me its 5 steps backwards and I think people will have a hard time with it. Its not always apparent what icon you're supposed to choose for something. Not very intuitive.

Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

A colleague at work is running a beta version of Windows 8. I'd have to say it isn't all that bad. He was able to toggle between the tiles and the traditional Windows 7 interface. The tiles is really more like an active version of the launchpad. I haven't used it myself, so I can't really say if I would like it, but it looks like pretty good software from what I could tell. I've said this many time in this forum that I think Microsoft is a much bigger threat to Apple than Android. Also, microsoft has two huge assets that will keep it dominant in OS: Outlook and Word. It is no coincidence that Microsoft will have outlook and word for their new RT software. Microsoft is very late to the game, but it may not be too late simply because we humans are very habitual and switching from outlook and Word is painful.

I sure hope apple fixes Apple Mail. Apple Mail is the biggest piece of shit software Apple has ever made. It drives me absolutely bonkers that it takes forever to send a message and it always forgets passwords from Keychain. What is up with that? Also, if my internet connection is slow, it will time out.

Pages isn't bad software, but it is missing so many features that it isn't realistic for business people to use it. For instance, why does it not do automatic numbering? Really? How hard can that be?
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I have to use Outlook at work and I absolutely hate it. It just feels bloated. I have to leave mail to see my calendar or my contacts, it's search seems unintuitive to me and it often won't find emails that I know are there. It doesn't do drag and drop right. Some lists scroll with the mouse wheel and others don't. Copy and paste works in some places but not others. It's modal so when a contact list is open I can't do anything else until I close it...
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2) What does the RT stand for? Run Time?

And what do you call a person who works on Windows RT research and development?
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But the desktop version is also "touch".

You can toggle between touch and the traditional interface with a click of a button. I don't think tiles vs the Start menu is going to be an issue. It would be like toggling between launchpad and the Mac interface, except that the launchpad apps are "live". it is actually pretty cool. I'm hoping Apple will do something similar this summer to enhance launchpad.
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I always thought RT meant road and track...
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I have to use Outlook at work and I absolutely hate it. It just feels bloated. I have to leave mail to see my calendar or my contacts, it's search seems unintuitive to me and it often won't find emails that I know are there. It doesn't do drag and drop right. Some lists scroll with the mouse wheel and others don't. Copy and paste works in some places but not others. It's modal so when a contact list is open I can't do anything else until I close it...

I agree that Outlook isn't the best email client. But at least it works. Apple Mail is a piece of shit. In order for me to spend the time to transfer all my contacts and calendars to Apple mail, I need software that works. Ironically, despite the clunky interface of Outlook, it always works. Outlook also attaches files instead of embedding them in the email like Apple Mail. The worst is when the attachment shows up as a document embedded within the email.

Don't get me wrong...I like the interface Apple provides. Unfortunately, it doesn't "just work" like other Apple software.
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I sure hope apple fixes Apple Mail. Apple Mail is the biggest piece of shit software Apple has ever made. It drives me absolutely bonkers that it takes forever to send a message and it always forgets passwords from Keychain. What is up with that? Also, if my internet connection is slow, it will time out.

iOS main, contacts and calendar all work better than their OSX equiv.

I also hate OSX iPhoto as well.
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It stands for Windows ReTarded.
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iOS main, contacts and calendar all work better than their OSX equiv.

I also hate OSX iPhoto as well.

Very true. I was trying to get an email at a mountain retreat and all I had was a t-mobile hotspot. My MacBook Air running OSX email couldn't do it, but my iPhone had no trouble. What's up with that? They were running off the very same hot spot.

My wife uses Aperture and seems to like it a lot.

Apple needs to build a killer photo sharing app and launch a social network from it. It should be easy for Apple to do, I don't understand why they won't do it.
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I sure hope apple fixes Apple Mail. Apple Mail is the biggest piece of shit software Apple has ever made. It drives me absolutely bonkers that it takes forever to send a message and it always forgets passwords from Keychain. What is up with that? Also, if my internet connection is slow, it will time out.

Yes, I agree.

I barely use my Apple Mail account anymore. A ridiculous, poorly-implemented PoS.

It is somewhat shocking, really.

Almost as though Apple is doing this on purpose. Although what purpose, I can't figure out.
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Big KC....nice post. LMAO
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It's going to flop in the corporate environment. People at work need to be able to multitask with several programs on the screen at the same time, not 2.
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Apple Mail has sucked since it's birth.

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Yes, I agree.

I barely use my Apple Mail account anymore. A ridiculous, poorly-implemented PoS.

It is somewhat shocking, really.

Almost as though Apple is doing this on purpose. Although what purpose, I can't figure out.
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RT stands for RunTime. WinRT is the API which Metro is built off of, analogous to Cocoa in the Mac world.

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I always thought RT meant road and track...

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It stands for Windows ReTarded.

Not correct.

Windows RT = Windows Really Tablety version
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I'm sure this will sell well, but I don't like the metro interface at all. To me its 5 steps backwards and I think people will have a hard time with it. Its not always apparent what icon you're supposed to choose for something. Not very intuitive.

Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

Yeah, I really don't understand the praise that the Metro interface gets from some people. It looks very unappealing aesthetically especially the colors of those tiles. Nauseating... But that's just me...

As far as Ballmer, it'd be good if he stays at MS as long as possible. You see, we like his strategy. We like it a lot!
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The Redmond, Wash., company announced ...all three of the editions would "offer a no-compromise experience."


So... if the Win 8 version is no compromise, why the need for a 'pro' version, hmmm? Marketing b@llocks... and then an 'add on' for the pro version. Mercy.

When can we expect the 4th version announcement? The one for underpowered netbooks? ( they still exist right?)

ar@e.


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Pages does have automatic numbering. Just click in the footer and choose Page Number from the Insert menu.
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Pages does have automatic numbering. Just click in the footer and choose Page Number from the Insert menu.

I meant automatic paragraph numbering. Sorry for the confusion.
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I agree that Outlook isn't the best email client. But at least it works. Apple Mail is a piece of shit. In order for me to spend the time to transfer all my contacts and calendars to Apple mail, I need software that works. Ironically, despite the clunky interface of Outlook, it always works. Outlook also attaches files instead of embedding them in the email like Apple Mail. The worst is when the attachment shows up as a document embedded within the email.

Don't get me wrong...I like the interface Apple provides. Unfortunately, it doesn't "just work" like other Apple software.

That can be easily toggled on and off from the pulldown menu in mail.
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I'll be very interested to see how Office for RT actually functions.
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Windows 8 is shaping up to be pretty damn amazing. I'm really looking forward to all the device launches that will accompany this hot new product from Microsoft.
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Finally a reduced number of editions

Don't get too excited just yet. The first two is going to split into 2 each x86 and x64.
Then there going to be the N version for Europe also I would imagine. There ought to be some other editions as well we'll just have to wait and see. Netbooks will have to stick with xp I'm afraid.

As ever, the pirated copy would follow soon after.



Oh, RT stands for Ridiculous Type (among other, the list could go on.... e.g. Re~Tarded)
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Windows 8 and Windows RT. See what sticks.

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Perhaps the demise of Mr. Ballmer? One can only hope!

No! No! He needs to stay at the helm, even unto his last days of his Alzheimer's. May he live a long and healthy life and remain firmly in charge at MS.

I'm sure Apple management would even give his some Apple stock if he would promise to stay at the top of the dog pile at MS.
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Windows 8 is shaping up to be pretty damn amazing. I'm really looking forward to all the device launches that will accompany this hot new product from Microsoft.

You forgot your sarcasm symbol... But, don't worry *wink, wink*. I got it!
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How soon people forget the past.. or younger generation wern't there

Being for an ARM processor, Windows RT will stand for Real Time.
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Outlook also attaches files instead of embedding them in the email like Apple Mail. The worst is when the attachment shows up as a document embedded within the email.

Without endorsing Apple Mail as a client, I'd like to point out that Mail does indeed send and receive attachments very normally. Just because an attachment arrives visible, and inline in the body of your message does not mean its embedded. Mail by default tends to display the contents of known, readable file types like PDF. But they are indeed attachments and one click allows you to download individual attachments or all of them at once.

As with most things related to unfamiliar software, it takes time to get used to the nuances. As someone who uses Apple Mail exclusively, I find the integration with my calendars and contact lists to be much tighter across all devices, and having used Entourage and Outlook before, I will likely never go back to them.
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You forgot your sarcasm symbol... But, don't worry *wink, wink*. I got it!

The guy's a troll, don't bother.
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Yes, I agree.

I barely use my Apple Mail account anymore. A ridiculous, poorly-implemented PoS.

It is somewhat shocking, really.

Almost as though Apple is doing this on purpose. Although what purpose, I can't figure out.

I'am using Apple Mail at home and at work (exclusively) and have none of the problems mentioned.
It isn't slow at all, and its fast compared to thunderbird.
Searching mail, organizing it etc. is excellent. IMAP integration with google mail works perfectly and is fast.
Its also very similar to the latest iPad version.
Excellent program in its latest incarnation, it seems to me you are talking about earlier versions of the program.

J.
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Will be interesting to see the tablets that come along with this. Not expecting to see any desktops running 8 as we will be keeping clients on 7 for the forseable future. Pretty much the same scenario as it was with vista, keep the punters on XP, any new systems with vista were 'upgraded' to XP. Likewise any systems that are bought in with Windows 8 Pro will be rolled back to 7.
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I hope Windows 8 sells well and the Mac OS market share stays low. Any higher, and we become a serious target for more Malware and Viruses. Life was good when we had a 5% market share.
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