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post #81 of 106
4/18/12 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by jj.yuan View Post

It said: "Samsung teamed up with Liquidmetal Technologies to produce a super-thin LCD screen frame component for its innovative SCH-X199 mobile phone model."

Sigh. Read the entire bloody thing, will you?

The aforementioned paragraph appears near the end of the PR release.
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post #82 of 106
4/18/12 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

Oh my gosh I love them, I must have that iPad case. Thank you, I didn't know they made them. I used to have a Asus sub notebook that was covered in Bamboo, I wonder if they still sell them.

I have the Walnut iPhone 4S CAse -- it is very well made!

My only complaint is the back part of the case isn't properly sanded/buffed/burnished -- you can see lines perpendicular to the grain.




Over the 6 months (or so) I've used it, it has acquired a beautiful patina -- and even though dropped several times, no nicks or scratches.
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post #83 of 106
4/18/12 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Yes.
No.

Regular metal is liquid at high temperatures and when cooled it crystallises, creating giant easy to exploit "seams" (for lack of a better word) where it will fracture under stress. Liquidmetal is based on a way of making the metal cool differently so that it doesn't crystallise and therefore is much less prone to fracturing or catastrophic breaking.

So it's more or less the same as any other metal, but with some trace elements added and created using a process that allows it to stay flexible without the typical weak points of regular metals that have been cooled in the usual way.

Typically it's main qualities are extra stiffness, strength and durability and resistance to impacts.

It's not radio transparent, but personally, I would guess the fact that it doesn't shrink when it cools like regular metals is really the quality that might make it interesting to Apple's designers.

But that's just me.

Do you know if there is actually no change in size corresponding to temperature or if the coefficient of expansion is just extremely small?
Either way it's a very interesting property.
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post #84 of 106
4/18/12 at 1:09pm
Here they go again....

more rumors...
iPhone with 3D screen
iPhone with quad core processor
iPhone with 128GB storage
iPhone with wireless 802.11ac
iPhone with <your choice of feature>
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post #85 of 106
4/18/12 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by kidaje View Post

Here they go again....

more rumors...
iPhone with 3D screen
iPhone with quad core processor
iPhone with 128GB storage
iPhone with wireless 802.11ac
iPhone with <your choice of feature>

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post #86 of 106
4/18/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by SixPenceRicher View Post

Who said anything about perfectly elastic collisions? I certainly didn't state it, nor did I imply it. And, where there is inefficiency in the modulus of elasticity of this material, the residual energy release will most likely be in form of heat (basic physics). There is going to be elastic modulus inefficiency in a phone case using Liquidmetal -- we just don't have enough information at this point to determine what that coefficient is.

But you did state "absorbing the impact elastically, then releasing the energy in the form of heat...", which is not, by definition, elastic behavior. And what on earth is "elastic modulus inefficiency"? Are you trying to describe some kind of hysteretic elastic-plastic response?
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post #87 of 106
4/18/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Relic View Post

How about just making the entire phone transparent using Gorilla Glass. Ever sense seeing that translucent PowerBook Duo in Hackers I have always wanted more see threw products.


Very cool looking case!
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post #88 of 106
4/18/12 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

I have a little knowledge(=dangerous amount) of zirconia from use but not in it's cubic form. Cubic zirconia isnt made from a compound, just pure zirconia.

Wrong. Zirconia IS a compound.

Zirconium - metal. Pure element.

Zirconia - another name for zirconium dioxide. A compound made up of zirconium and oxygen. Available as a single crystal (such as cubic zirconia which is one of the crystal forms) or as a powdered material which is sintered into a ceramic body.

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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

A Liquidmetal enclosure could be really beautiful and very durable. But it may be too expensive and not recyclable enough. Still, there's hope. If the manufacturing process can be streamlined to make it cost effective, and/or if the materials can be changed to be slightly less expensive Apple can and will use Liquidmetal. (The original Liquidmetal formula includes platinum, which is $1577 per troy ounce as I type, as opposed to gold at $1639 per troy ounce.)

But that is only one of the alloys.

As I've explained (multiple times) before, there are different Liquidmetal alloys including some which are cheap enough to be used in reasonably priced tennis rackets and golf clubs.

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Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post

A liquidmetal unibody. Just like the new MacBook (pro) and Air line.

J.

That's actually not a bad idea. The cost of casting a liquidmetal case would be lower than the machining of a block of aluminum and that would help to reduce the materials cost differential. It might not end up being much more expensive. It would, however, probably be thinner which would leave more space for the battery.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I read somewhere that the "liquidmetal" process could be used with whatever compound is in cubic zirconia gems... And that the result would be clearer than glass (visually transparent) and be a very hard/strong surface.

I really wish people wouldn't comment on things they don't understand. Once again, learn the difference between zirconia and zirconium.

Cubic zirconia is ZrO2. Liquidmetal is an alloy of various metals (NOT metal oxides). It makes no sense to talk about making Liquidmetal from zirconia.
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post #89 of 106
4/18/12 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Wrong. Zirconia IS a compound.

Zirconium - metal. Pure element.

Zirconia - another name for zirconium dioxide. A compound made up of zirconium and oxygen. Available as a single crystal (such as cubic zirconia which is one of the crystal forms) or as a powdered material which is sintered into a ceramic body.



But that is only one of the alloys.

As I've explained (multiple times) before, there are different Liquidmetal alloys including some which are cheap enough to be used in reasonably priced tennis rackets and golf clubs.



That's actually not a bad idea. The cost of casting a liquidmetal case would be lower than the machining of a block of aluminum and that would help to reduce the materials cost differential. It might not end up being much more expensive. It would, however, probably be thinner which would leave more space for the battery.



I really wish people wouldn't comment on things they don't understand. Once again, learn the difference between zirconia and zirconium.

Cubic zirconia is ZrO2. Liquidmetal is an alloy of various metals (NOT metal oxides). It makes no sense to talk about making Liquidmetal from zirconia.

Why do you dis my post when it was qualified with "If this is possible"... Or at least have the intellectual honesty to quote the entire post that you are dissing...


Here is my original post:

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I read somewhere that the "liquidmetal" process could be used with whatever compound is in cubic zirconia gems... And that the result would be clearer than glass (visually transparent) and be a very hard/strong surface.

If this is possible, maybe Apple plans on replacing the front glass with this material.

If I can find any references, I'll update this post.


Edit: Here's one reference & a quote about 60% through the article:



Behind Apple's Stunningly Crafted iPhone is a Patent
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post #90 of 106
4/18/12 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Why do you dis my post when it was qualified with "If this is possible"... Or at least have the intellectual honesty to quote the entire post that you are dissing...


Here is my original post:



I also qualified my statements as being less than complete in hopes of respectful discourse on the subject. I forgot that people like jragosta may reply. I'm guessing he acts like a jerk because he's a little man in his home life. Whatever the reason is he's pretty consistant with it so I take consolation in the fact that I'm apparently not subject to the same things as he is that would cause such behavior on a regular basis. I also don't have to live or work with him so there is also that to be glad about.
And fwiw sorry about leading you astray in my other reply to you.
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post #91 of 106
4/18/12 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Wrong. Zirconia IS a compound.

Zirconium - metal. Pure element.

Zirconia - another name for zirconium dioxide. A compound made up of zirconium and oxygen. Available as a single crystal (such as cubic zirconia which is one of the crystal forms) or as a powdered material which is sintered into a ceramic body.



But that is only one of the alloys.

As I've explained (multiple times) before, there are different Liquidmetal alloys including some which are cheap enough to be used in reasonably priced tennis rackets and golf clubs.



That's actually not a bad idea. The cost of casting a liquidmetal case would be lower than the machining of a block of aluminum and that would help to reduce the materials cost differential. It might not end up being much more expensive. It would, however, probably be thinner which would leave more space for the battery.



I really wish people wouldn't comment on things they don't understand. Once again, learn the difference between zirconia and zirconium.

Cubic zirconia is ZrO2. Liquidmetal is an alloy of various metals (NOT metal oxides). It makes no sense to talk about making Liquidmetal from zirconia.

There's really no need to be a dick about it. No one stole your lunch money.
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post #92 of 106
4/18/12 at 4:58pm
Liquid metal isn't magic, it just remembers its shape. That could mean it's scratch and crack resistant. That alone is a good reason to use it instead of the current shatter-prone glass back. It could also mean we go back to a more natural feeling curved back. Whether it's used or not will perhaps be more to do with how does it look and feel to Jony.

As for the SciFi speculations, I think you all had fun but it's amazing how few actually know anything about the metal itself. Thankfully, some posters do.

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post #93 of 106
4/18/12 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Why do you dis my post when it was qualified with "If this is possible"... Or at least have the intellectual honesty to quote the entire post that you are dissing...


Here is my original post:
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I read somewhere that the "liquidmetal" process could be used with whatever compound is in cubic zirconia gems... And that the result would be clearer than glass (visually transparent) and be a very hard/strong surface.

The above indicates that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. You can't use a Liquidmetal process to manufacture a zirconium oxide process.

I quoted enough of your post to show that you were babbling about things you don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

There's really no need to be a dick about it. No one stole your lunch money.

Or maybe it just irritates me when people like you insist on babbling about things you don't understand. The signal to noise ratio of the Internet would be an order of magnitude better if people would keep their mouths shut when they don't understand the topic they're commenting on.
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post #94 of 106
4/18/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

The above indicates that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. You can't use a Liquidmetal process to manufacture a zirconium oxide process.

I quoted enough of your post to show that you were babbling about things you don't understand.



Or maybe it just irritates me when people like you insist on babbling about things you don't understand. The signal to noise ratio of the Internet would be an order of magnitude better if people would keep their mouths shut when they don't understand the topic they're commenting on.

Yes, I'm sure acting like a dick will solve all of these problems you have with the Internet
The real irony is that you likely have knowledge that if properly applied may help to combat the ignorance that so irritates you. You might even find youself in a pleasant conversation that could actually be enjoyable. Instead you're satisfied with being a smug @sshole. Good luck with that.
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post #95 of 106
4/19/12 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by SwissMac2 View Post

Liquid metal isn't magic, it just remembers its shape. That could mean it's scratch and crack resistant. That alone is a good reason to use it instead of the current shatter-prone glass back. It could also mean we go back to a more natural feeling curved back. Whether it's used or not will perhaps be more to do with how does it look and feel to Jony.

As for the SciFi speculations, I think you all had fun but it's amazing how few actually know anything about the metal itself. Thankfully, some posters do.

Does it 'remember' its shape better than memory metals like nitinol?
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post #96 of 106
4/19/12 at 12:41am
I perosnally like the design of the iPhone 4S, If they used Gorilla Glass, I'd be perfect. and a bigger screen ofc.
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post #97 of 106
4/19/12 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Good question. Does implication refer to the author's implied conclusion, the reader's, or both? Can we differentiate between a conclusion that can be drawn versus one that is drawn?

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post #98 of 106
4/19/12 at 4:20am
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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

Yes, I'm sure acting like a dick will solve all of these problems you have with the Internet
The real irony is that you likely have knowledge that if properly applied may help to combat the ignorance that so irritates you. You might even find youself in a pleasant conversation that could actually be enjoyable. Instead you're satisfied with being a smug @sshole. Good luck with that.

After the 6th time that I explained that zirconia and zirconium are not the same thing, it was obvious that some people have no intention of learning anything and choose to continue spreading the same misinformation.

Some people refuse to be educated.
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post #99 of 106
4/19/12 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Good question. Does implication refer to the author's implied conclusion, the reader's, or both? Can we differentiate between a conclusion that can be drawn versus one that is drawn?


You're missing the point: you can't READ and implication, you can guess it, or understand it, but not READ it, or it's not an implication anymore...

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post #100 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:14pm

OK... This is very strange........... The new forum layout frightens me... So many options. :/

 

Looks like the "insert smiley" no longer works, for me anyway. Only one icon pops up... This one: lol.gif ...that's it.


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post #101 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:20pm

 

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OK... This is very strange........... The new forum layout frightens me... So many options. :/

 

Here's probably the most relevant of the tutorials.  Basically the forum operates just as vBulletin did, but with quite a few feature additions. For example, you can click on the icon to the left of a thread in the list and be taken right to the first posts in that thread you haven't read yet. 

 

And posting has WYSIWYG content instead of BBCode, but I believe you can still manually type the BBCode if you wish.

 

[QUOTE]Test quote[/QUOTE]

 

Oh. Apparently you can't. lol.gif

 

Well, uh… that's one more thing I have to relearn, then. Well, at least I won't be typing "[/QUPTE]" all the time anymore. 

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post #102 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:26pm
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For example, you can click on the icon to the left of a thread in the list and be taken right to the first posts in that thread you haven't read yet. 

You could do that on the old forum.
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post #103 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:27pm
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You could do that on the old forum.

 

Really? Never worked for me. :p

 

Ah, and I see only one emoticon is active right now, too.

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post #104 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:33pm
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Really? Never worked for me. 1tongue.gif

Ah, and I see only one emoticon is active right now, too.

It was the little arrow before the thread title. Seemed to work fine.
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post #105 of 106
4/19/12 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


And posting has WYSIWYG content instead of BBCode, but I believe you can still manually type the BBCode if you wish.
Quote:
Test quote

Oh. Apparently you can't. lol.gif

Well, uh… that's one more thing I have to relearn, then. Well, at least I won't be typing "[/QUPTE]" all the time anymore. 

You can do that too, but only if you are in the plain text editor, which only seems to be available if the software thinks you are running an incompatible browser:

"The rich text editor is not compatible with your browser. You may see some HTML source displayed. Any BBCode you enter will be converted to HTML when you save."
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post #106 of 106
4/19/12 at 6:51pm

 

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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

OK... This is very strange........... The new forum layout frightens me... So many options. :/

 

Looks like the "insert smiley" no longer works, for me anyway. Only one icon pops up... This one: lol.gif ...that's it.

 

The new site design sucks big time.

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