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Intel has officially launched the first wave of its Ivy Bridge processors with a new tri-gate transistor technology, touting the new chips as the "world's first 22 nanometer product."

The chipmaker released 13 quad-core processors on Sunday and promised that new dual-core processors will arrive later in the spring. MacNN reports that the first batch of chips are from the Core i5 and i7 families.

CEO Paul Otellini said earlier this month that the "bulk" of the initial Ivy Bridge lineup would arrive in desktop PCs. However, Apple is expected to use the new quad-core chips in an update to its MacBook Pro line.

After moving to a 22nm process for Ivy Bridge, Intel boasts 20 percent more performance while using 20 percent less power. Intel PC business chief Kirk Skaugen told the BBC that the launch will be Intel's "fastest ramp ever."

"There will be 50% more supply than we had early in the product cycle of our last generation, Sandy Bridge, a year ago. And we're still constrained based on the amount of demand we're seeing in the marketplace," he said.

Ivy Bridge also introduces a transistor technology 11 years in the making. By moving from flat two-dimensional transistors to new three-dimensional "tri-gate transistors," Intel has managed to improve both performance and energy efficiency with minimal cost increases.

"A lot of people had thought that Moore's law was coming to an end," Skaugen told the BBC. "What Intel has been able to do is instead of just shrinking the transistor in two dimensions, we have been able to create a three-dimensional transistor for the first time.

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Left: Traditional design; Right: Intel tri-gate, via BBC

Graphics are a key area of improvement for the new processors. Ivy Bridge supports 4K resolution and will feature as much as a 60 percent performance boost over the current-generation Sandy Bridge chips.

Dwindling inventory points to an upcoming upgrade of Apple's 15-inch MacBook Pro. AppleInsider reported in February that the company would first revamp its 15-inch MacBook Pro before eventually overhauling its 17-inch notebook.

Apple is expected draw upon the success of the MacBook Air by removing the optical disk drive from its pro-level notebooks. Reports have also suggested that the Mac maker may significantly increase the screen resolution of its laptops.
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C'mon Apple!

Daddy needs a new 13" MacBook Pro with REAL graphics power... but will settle for a lighter and thinner MacBook Air-like 15" MacBook Pro if the new 13" MBP (if they even decide to keep offering it) doesn't offer a dedicated graphics card, which it probably won't.

I think Apple will dump the 13" MBP if it doesn't have a discreet GPU because then it is essentially a MBA.

I guess I'll have to see benchmarks for the new Ivy Bridge integrated graphics processor though before choosing between IGP in a 13" MBA and discreet GPU in a 15" MBP.
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Ivy Bridge? Intel doesn't seem in a hurry to update the Xeon. Poor Mac Pro.

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C'mon Apple!
Daddy needs a new 13" MacBook Pro with REAL graphics power... but will settle for a lighter and thinner MacBook Air-like 15" MacBook Pro if the new 13" MBP (if they even decide to keep offering it) doesn't offer a dedicated graphics card, which it probably won't.
I think Apple will dump the 13" MBP if it doesn't have a discreet GPU because then it is essentially a MBA.
I guess I'll have to see benchmarks for the new Ivy Bridge integrated graphics processor though before choosing between IGP in a 13" MBA and discreet GPU in a 15" MBP.

Repeating that over and over doesn't make it true. It still has a lot of functionality over an Air. I don't know how sales compare between the two.

 

 

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Ivy Bridge? Intel doesn't seem in a hurry to update the Xeon. Poor Mac Pro.

 

I've posted this before, but nothing is available in Ivy Bridge E before Q2 of 2013. It may suck, but there's nothing Apple can really do there. I find it a little weird that Intel is letting the Xeons slip to around Haswell's release date. I wouldn't suggest a mac pro purchase today given the potential for Apple to eol OS updates on it past mountain lion given that the board design came out in 2009. 

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Repeating that over and over doesn't make it true. It still has a lot of functionality over an Air. I don't know how sales compare between the two.

 

 

 

I've posted this before, but nothing is available in Ivy Bridge E before Q2 of 2013. It may suck, but there's nothing Apple can really do there. I find it a little weird that Intel is letting the Xeons slip to around Haswell's release date. I wouldn't suggest a mac pro purchase today given the potential for Apple to eol OS updates on it past mountain lion given that the board design came out in 2009. 

 

The Mac Pro was never updated to Sandy Bridge E either.

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The Mac Pro was never updated to Sandy Bridge E either.

 

Sandy Bridge E Xeons just began to show in products on the last couple of months. It's still time for Apple to put them on the Mac Pro. Also, the Sandy Bridge E Xeon is this year's Xeon. You're not going to get anything better until next year.

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Ivy Bridge? Intel doesn't seem in a hurry to update the Xeon. Poor Mac Pro.

 

I believe I heard Intel only recently got around to releasing a new Xeon Sandy Bridge "Extreme" or some such that was being speculated for a possible (and likely last gasp) Thunderbolt equipped Mac Pro, i.e., one that would keep the pros happy for awhile with the TB bus as obsolescence insurance.  

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Awesome, 3D technology is amazing. Good on Intel. Long may her ship sail.

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The Mac Pro was never updated to Sandy Bridge E either.

Intel should just skip Ivy Bridge altogether for the Xeons and go right to Haswell next year and Apple can redesign the Pro around that.
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Intel should just skip Ivy Bridge altogether for the Xeons and go right to Haswell next year and Apple can redesign the Pro around that.

 

I think WWDC 2012 will be very exciting for everyone and I'm not speaking about Intel.

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OK Apple, as quickly as you can. throw this into a super slim 30" iMac and send me the bill.lol.gif

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What are you smoking? It must be strong stuff.

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I wouldn't suggest a mac pro purchase today given the potential for Apple to eol OS updates on it past mountain lion given that the board design came out in 2009. 

 

The Mac Pro is bought for professional use, and professionals buy when they need to. I ordered another new Mac Pro last week in the full knowledge that it's ripe for update—OK, overripe! But we've hired a new employee, and she needs a new workstation.

 

My order should pretty much guarantee an imminent Mac Pro update...

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New Macs on Tuesday? Might explain why they bought the announcement forward a week.

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Intel should just skip Ivy Bridge altogether for the Xeons and go right to Haswell next year and Apple can redesign the Pro around that.

 

Intel should just skip ALL this stuff altogether and go right to Skymont.

 

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New Macs on Tuesday? Might explain why they bought the announcement forward a week.

 

What's out now, just the laptop chips? The Mac Mini is the only thing that could be updated this week, then. The MacBook Pro will require an event, the iMac's chips aren't out yet, and the Mac Pro is definitely getting an event (provided it isn't being discontinued).

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My order should pretty much guarantee an imminent Mac Pro update...

 

Not to worry. My experience with Apple is that if you are ordering during a transition to a new model, then it will make available the new model of comparable or superior value to the model you ordered.

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Not to worry. My experience with Apple is that if you are ordering during a transition to a new model, then it will make available the new model of comparable or superior value to the model you ordered.

 

You know he's being facetious right?  

 

So the corollary would be the new model will happen just late enough to be outside this window because Murphy reigns supreme.

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C'mon Apple!
Daddy needs a new 13" MacBook Pro with REAL graphics power... but will settle for a lighter and thinner MacBook Air-like 15" MacBook Pro if the new 13" MBP (if they even decide to keep offering it) doesn't offer a dedicated graphics card, which it probably won't.
I think Apple will dump the 13" MBP if it doesn't have a discreet GPU because then it is essentially a MBA.
I guess I'll have to see benchmarks for the new Ivy Bridge integrated graphics processor though before choosing between IGP in a 13" MBA and discreet GPU in a 15" MBP.

 

Almost everybody that I know are using the MacBook Pro as their main work station. Without a dedicated graphics card, most of them would have to use a stationary computer as their main workstation the next time they update. The GFX chips are small enough to fit into a 15" air form factor. But with the 13" you're probably right. It probably will be all discreet.

I hope the displays will show a significant update though. The current displays are pretty bad both in colours and reflection. Probably too soon for "iPad3-displays" showing up in MacBooks though.

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I think WWDC 2012 will be very exciting for everyone and I'm not speaking about Intel.

I dunno, Intel will probably be quite happy to see their chips used in the entire lineup again.
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Intel should just skip ALL this stuff altogether and go right to Skymont.

Well yeah but they have to get the fabrication in place and make enough money to profit from the upgrade. They already have 22nm in place due to Ivy Bridge so they might as well forget Ivy Bridge Xeons and just fab the Haswell architecture instead. Then use the profits from Haswell to fund Skylake/mont R&D, plant upgrades etc.

At this stage, they don't really have any competition though so they can do what they like.
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OK Apple, as quickly as you can. throw this into a super slim 30" iMac and send me the bill.lol.gif

 

Yeah! Send me one too! I'm at the door looking for the UPS truck now! lol.gif

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I think it's pretty strange with all that is happening, that I cant find one word in any news anywhere about WWDC 2012 ???? Also makes me nervous ~

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I think it's pretty strange with all that is happening, that I cant find one word in any news anywhere about WWDC 2012 ???? Also makes me nervous ~

 

Of course not. We're months away. What would we talk about? We know what's happening: Mountain Lion, iOS 6 preview, maybe some new hardware if Apple isn't stupid.

 

Look at the Moscone West schedule at the time that WWDC is slated. I'll bet you it's still open or reserved for a "special event".

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Of course not. We're months away. What would we talk about? We know what's happening: Mountain Lion, iOS 6 preview, maybe some new hardware if Apple isn't stupid.

 

Look at the Moscone West schedule at the time that WWDC is slated. I'll bet you it's still open or reserved for a "special event".

 

 

Dates Event Name Location Type
JUNE 2012
06/03/12 - 06/07/12 Design Automation Conference Moscone South and Esplanade Ballroom  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/11/12 - 06/15/12 Corporate Meeting Moscone West, Levels 1-3  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/16/12 - 06/19/12 ASM2012 Moscone North and South  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/20/12 - 06/23/12 CMSA's 22nd Annual Conference & Expo Moscone West  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/20/12 - 06/20/12 SF Travel Association Annual Luncheon Moscone North  Banquet 
06/27/12 - 06/28/12 Corporate Meeting Moscone West, Levels 1-3  Convention 
06/27/12 - 06/28/12 PCBC 2012 Pacific Coast Builders Conference Moscone North and Gateway Ballroom  Tradeshow 

 

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Dates Event Name Location Type
JUNE 2012
06/03/12 - 06/07/12 Design Automation Conference Moscone South and Esplanade Ballroom  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/11/12 - 06/15/12 Corporate Meeting Moscone West, Levels 1-3  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/16/12 - 06/19/12 ASM2012 Moscone North and South  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/20/12 - 06/23/12 CMSA's 22nd Annual Conference & Expo Moscone West  Convention / Tradeshow 
06/20/12 - 06/20/12 SF Travel Association Annual Luncheon Moscone North  Banquet 
06/27/12 - 06/28/12 Corporate Meeting Moscone West, Levels 1-3  Convention 
06/27/12 - 06/28/12 PCBC 2012 Pacific Coast Builders Conference Moscone North and Gateway Ballroom  Tradeshow 

 

 

There you go. WWDC 2012 is June 11-15.

 

EDIT: all this extra spacing is ticking me off.

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From Intel's official website: http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2012/04/23/3rd-generation-intel-core-processors-bring-exciting-new-experiences-and-fun-to-the-pc

 

 

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ Processors Bring Exciting New Experiences and Fun to the PC

Posted by IntelPR on Apr 23, 2012 9:22:02 AM

Full story on the new processors at the end though especially interesting to me was ....................................................................................................................................................

 

 

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Processor and System Availability
Systems based on quad-core 3rd generation Intel Core processor products will be available beginning this month from leading system makers. Boxed versions of these processors will also be available this month from online, retail and channel resellers. Additional versions of the 3rd generation Intel Core processor products for servers, intelligent systems in retail, healthcare and other industries, Ultrabook devices and laptops and more will be available later this year.

 

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Reports have also suggested that the Mac maker may significantly increase the screen resolution of its laptops.

 

And people were dismissing the significance of 4K resolution support when it was first reported.

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And people were dismissing the significance of 4K resolution support when it was first reported.

 

supporting 4k and being able to do 4k without any lag will be the issue

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If they do go with "retina" resolutions for the pro I wonder what users are going to do in the interim to hidpi modes in ml, because without one the fonts will be unreadable. Plus if they do issue an update for lion and the mb pro, pretty much no one from the devs will be there for hidpi...

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If they do go with "retina" resolutions for the pro I wonder what users are going to do in the interim to hidpi modes in ml, because without one the fonts will be unreadable. Plus if they do issue an update for lion and the mb pro, pretty much no one from the devs will be there for hidpi...


Not sure if I understood your point, but as far as I know Lion already has hidpi support, or at least embedded hi-res artwork for the whole system.

I think we will see hidpi iMac and MacBook Pro now rather than latter. Would surely be very exciting!
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New Macs on Tuesday? Might explain why they bought the announcement forward a week.

 

What's out now, just the laptop chips? The Mac Mini is the only thing that could be updated this week, then. The MacBook Pro will require an event, the iMac's chips aren't out yet, and the Mac Pro is definitely getting an event (provided it isn't being discontinued).


It's the other way around: the iMac chips are out. The long overdue iMac update must be around the corner.
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New Macs on Tuesday? Might explain why they bought the announcement forward a week.


I think so as well. The iMac should have been updated months ago, historically speaking. Apparently the availability of Intel's chips - Thunderbolt, chipset and CPU - was the last standing restriction.
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My point is that hidpi is nowhere near ready in lion, I know, I 've used it, and that it's not ready from the devs front. Even if some os elements in lion appear as they should, applications such as office do not. So if the pros have retina and not ml I can't see how they ll be usable. 

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There you go. WWDC 2012 is June 11-15.

It's June 6-10 Moscone West, which isn't noted as being booked on those dates.

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New Macs on Tuesday?

Here is the list of announced chips:
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/65506/3rd-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors/desktop
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/65504/3rd-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors/desktop
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/65505/3rd-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Extreme-Processor/mobile
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/65506/3rd-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors/mobile

They aren't listed as launched though so I guess the April 29th date is still the official date when they reach customers. Apple started doing Wednesday launches at one point to throw us off. I'd guess either today or tomorrow with 5-7 day shipping or May 1st, 2nd with 24 hour shipping.

I find it interesting that Intel has made a desktop i7 that uses just 45W. I wonder how that differs from their mobile 45W chips:

http://ark.intel.com/products/64889/Intel-Core-i7-3820QM-Processor-(8M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz)
http://ark.intel.com/products/64889/Intel-Core-i7-3820QM-Processor-(8M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz)

Maybe the price will vary significantly but why bother making two chips that will likely perform exactly the same. Maybe eventually they'll just build mobile chips and there will be no distinction.
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I've posted this before, but nothing is available in Ivy Bridge E before Q2 of 2013. It may suck, but there's nothing Apple can really do there. I find it a little weird that Intel is letting the Xeons slip to around Haswell's release date. I wouldn't suggest a mac pro purchase today given the potential for Apple to eol OS updates on it past mountain lion given that the board design came out in 2009. 

 

Apple really does need to make a policy statement about continued support for the Mac Pro or, at the very least, have a "highly place source" leak plans for a next Mac Pro and support for it beyond that. There are quite a few people sitting on the sidelines waiting for Apple to clarify the situation. Quite a few of them are willing to change OS to keep the hardware they need/want. It is a real shame that Apple is leaving people hanging on this.

 

If Intel does delay the new Xeons much, it may well be that the next real opportunity for something new will be next year when, supposedly the next new processor is due.

 

It is Tuesday and nothing has been announced by Apple about new MBPs or iMacs...what is the problem guys?

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First if a Mac Pro or it's replacement where to come out it would most likely use Sandy Bridge E. Since Ivy Bridge brings little in the way of processor improvements there is no reason to even target Ivy Bridge XEONs. If there is any sense at all at Intel they will target Haswell as the next XEON platform.

As to your wishing for a statement from Apple - are you out of your mind? Seriously why would you even expect such a thing from Apple knowing their history and secrecy. Beyond that it is just bad business to tip your hand when you are in a leadership position. From the standpoint of a computer user if you aren't willing to wait for new Apple products to hit you really are on the wrong platform to begin with. If you are expecting detailed product preannouncements, that on the face are stupid, you are doing business with the wrong vendor.

In any event if Apple was to give up on the Pro completely they would say something ahead of time just like they did with XServe. The thing is this doesn't mean the the current Mac Pro has a future but rather that Apple has options. The fact that nothing has been said is a good thing because it means that something is coming.

As to new laptops it could be as long as two months. Apple could wait until WWDC. They have done it before where hardware updates dragged for months after Intel hardware arrived. Usually this is a sign of waiting on other tech.

In any event I just don't get this "Apple must do this or I'm leaving" mentality. Especially from people claiming to be professionals, you buy into Apple you buy into their practices. Anybody claiming to be a professional should have realized Apples nature before laying down the cash.
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I've posted this before, but nothing is available in Ivy Bridge E before Q2 of 2013. It may suck, but there's nothing Apple can really do there. I find it a little weird that Intel is letting the Xeons slip to around Haswell's release date. I wouldn't suggest a mac pro purchase today given the potential for Apple to eol OS updates on it past mountain lion given that the board design came out in 2009. 

 

Apple really does need to make a policy statement about continued support for the Mac Pro or, at the very least, have a "highly place source" leak plans for a next Mac Pro and support for it beyond that. There are quite a few people sitting on the sidelines waiting for Apple to clarify the situation. Quite a few of them are willing to change OS to keep the hardware they need/want. It is a real shame that Apple is leaving people hanging on this.

 

If Intel does delay the new Xeons much, it may well be that the next real opportunity for something new will be next year when, supposedly the next new processor is due.

 

It is Tuesday and nothing has been announced by Apple about new MBPs or iMacs...what is the problem guys?

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I don't know what universe you are in if you think it bad business to let customers know you are not abandoning them. It is true that Apple, historically, treats customers like (used oats) and is disinclined to tell anybody anything. That does not mean it is bad business practice to do so however. Indeed, in this instance, all the company need tell the customers is that there will be a continuation of the product line. That's it! You miss the point of my earlier statement entirely. It is not a matter of waiting for the release of the new product, but rather a question of whether there will be a new product and, if so, whether there will be a new product after that.

 

The "or I'm leaving mentality" that you don't get is the group of customers who will be forced to leave because of the lack of a product to purchase. I don't buy your "the fact that nothing has been said means something good is coming" approach. Does that mean that, because Apple have said nothing about a 17" MBP something good is coming? 

 

Apple is proving to again be the unreliable vendor that they were some years ago which is too bad. 

 

You repeat my earlier comment that, should the Sandy Bridge Xeons be delayed, as appears to be the case, it would make sense to focus on its replacement (Haswell) as the basis for the new Mac Pro, if there is to be one. 

 

I have no idea where you dreamed up the idea of "detailed product preannouncements" when the comment was simply about letting people know that there will be a product. Perhaps, just perhaps, it would be helpful to read the post before taking off on tangents. 

 

Apple have, on occasion, shot themselves in the foot with particular market segments. For example, Steve's incessant war with Adobe, drove a lot of photographers, graphic artists and other users of the Adobe Creative Suite from the platform because of the uncertainty of whether there would be a 64-bit version for the Mac (which turned into an extended delay). A good many simply could not give up the productivity gains the 64-bit app offered in the face of the uncertainty created by Apple.

 

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First if a Mac Pro or it's replacement where to come out it would most likely use Sandy Bridge E. Since Ivy Bridge brings little in the way of processor improvements there is no reason to even target Ivy Bridge XEONs. If there is any sense at all at Intel they will target Haswell as the next XEON platform.
As to your wishing for a statement from Apple - are you out of your mind? Seriously why would you even expect such a thing from Apple knowing their history and secrecy. Beyond that it is just bad business to tip your hand when you are in a leadership position. From the standpoint of a computer user if you aren't willing to wait for new Apple products to hit you really are on the wrong platform to begin with. If you are expecting detailed product preannouncements, that on the face are stupid, you are doing business with the wrong vendor.
In any event if Apple was to give up on the Pro completely they would say something ahead of time just like they did with XServe. The thing is this doesn't mean the the current Mac Pro has a future but rather that Apple has options. The fact that nothing has been said is a good thing because it means that something is coming.
As to new laptops it could be as long as two months. Apple could wait until WWDC. They have done it before where hardware updates dragged for months after Intel hardware arrived. Usually this is a sign of waiting on other tech.
In any event I just don't get this "Apple must do this or I'm leaving" mentality. Especially from people claiming to be professionals, you buy into Apple you buy into their practices. Anybody claiming to be a professional should have realized Apples nature before laying down the cash.

 

 

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I don't know what universe you are in if you think it bad business to let customers know you are not abandoning them.

I'm not sure where this insecurity comes from. Apples PC business is doing really good and has done so for years now. That is largely driven by laptop sales, which should hightlight to anyone that Apples desktop line has issues. It is a given that sooner or later they will rationalize that desktop line up. That means a Pro machine that actually sells well needs to be offered up.
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It is true that Apple, historically, treats customers like (used oats) and is disinclined to tell anybody anything.
I'm not really sure there is any point in discussing this with you if you honestly believe the above. Apple isn't treating customers like used oats, as assinine as that is. Honestly though if you can't grasp why they impose secrecy on product development then I'm spinning my wheels here.
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That does not mean it is bad business practice to do so however. Indeed, in this instance, all the company need tell the customers is that there will be a continuation of the product line. That's it!
Baloney! There is no way that could ever be useful. If they say yes it will be continued then people will put life on hold waiting for hardware that may not even have a firm shipping date yet. On the other hand if they tell people it will be discontinued they then have people all excited even if they have a replacement in the wings.
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You miss the point of my earlier statement entirely. It is not a matter of waiting for the release of the new product, but rather a question of whether there will be a new product and, if so, whether there will be a new product after that.
You don't have a point. It serves no useful purpose to discuss future products. The history of the computer industry is filled with various company failures for doing just that.
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The "or I'm leaving mentality" that you don't get is the group of customers who will be forced to leave because of the lack of a product to purchase. I don't buy your "the fact that nothing has been said means something good is coming" approach.

Then leave and stop whining on the forum! If you aren't willing to wait to see which direction Apple is going in then leave and go in your own direction. Really I get tired of this spastic noise about the Mac Pro when the most likely chips for that machine have only been announced for about a month now.

That of course assumes Apple is actually going to produce another iteration of the Mac Pro when there are really good reasons to not build another Pro machine on that frame.
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Does that mean that, because Apple have said nothing about a 17" MBP something good is coming? 
In a sense yes it does. You need to realize Apple has also said nothing about the 13 & 15" MBPs either. Yet in each case I suspect something good is coming.

The problem I have with you, is that you are letting some analyst with no inside info, jerk your chain. This is the problem, not the potential of the 17" being discontinued. The 17" could go the way of the Dodo or be replaced with something entirely different. It really doesn't matter until whatever happens happens. You never know the new machine could be the ultimate laptop in many users eyes.
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Apple is proving to again be the unreliable vendor that they were some years ago which is too bad. 

That is complete bull crap! Apple has been doing great delivering really good products into the Mac channel. Nothing I've seen even remotely justifies your calling them unreliable.
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You repeat my earlier comment that, should the Sandy Bridge Xeons be delayed, as appears to be the case, it would make sense to focus on its replacement (Haswell) as the basis for the new Mac Pro, if there is to be one. 

 

I have no idea where you dreamed up the idea of "detailed product preannouncements" when the comment was simply about letting people know that there will be a product.

There is no way Apple can pre announce anything to any level of detail and get a positive result out of that release. That is what you don't understand and apparently never will.

In any event as long as Apple sells Macs there will be product. Maybe not the product that meets your needs but product none the less.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, it would be helpful to read the post before taking off on tangents. 

 

Apple have, on occasion, shot themselves in the foot with particular market segments. For example, Steve's incessant war with Adobe, drove a lot of photographers, graphic artists and other users of the Adobe Creative Suite from the platform because of the uncertainty of whether there would be a 64-bit version for the Mac (which turned into an extended delay).

Where did you get the idea that there was a war with Adobe? As far as I can see there never was a war. If anything Adobe took a pissy attitude with Apple when Apple forcefully set out the path to 64 bit. Frankly they did the right thing as it forced porting to Cocoa. By the way Adobe wasn't the only company to have to deal with this porting, in the end though it has proven to be one of Apple smarter moves to leave legacy software behind.
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A good many simply could not give up the productivity gains the 64-bit app offered in the face of the uncertainty created by Apple.

 

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First if a Mac Pro or it's replacement where to come out it would most likely use Sandy Bridge E. Since Ivy Bridge brings little in the way of processor improvements there is no reason to even target Ivy Bridge XEONs. If there is any sense at all at Intel they will target Haswell as the next XEON platform.
As to your wishing for a statement from Apple - are you out of your mind? Seriously why would you even expect such a thing from Apple knowing their history and secrecy. Beyond that it is just bad business to tip your hand when you are in a leadership position. From the standpoint of a computer user if you aren't willing to wait for new Apple products to hit you really are on the wrong platform to begin with. If you are expecting detailed product preannouncements, that on the face are stupid, you are doing business with the wrong vendor.
In any event if Apple was to give up on the Pro completely they would say something ahead of time just like they did with XServe. The thing is this doesn't mean the the current Mac Pro has a future but rather that Apple has options. The fact that nothing has been said is a good thing because it means that something is coming.
As to new laptops it could be as long as two months. Apple could wait until WWDC. They have done it before where hardware updates dragged for months after Intel hardware arrived. Usually this is a sign of waiting on other tech.
In any event I just don't get this "Apple must do this or I'm leaving" mentality. Especially from people claiming to be professionals, you buy into Apple you buy into their practices. Anybody claiming to be a professional should have realized Apples nature before laying down the cash.

 

 


In any event I'm still of the opinion that it is best to ignore all the negative speculation about Apples new Macs. As noted Mac sales still outpace the industry. There is little reason for Apple to abandon the product line.

More importantly a lot of new technology is converging that gives Apple a huge number of options for future hardware. Even if only a few new bits of tech get into the new Macs it will still make for impressive new machines.
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It's June 6-10 Moscone West, which isn't noted as being booked on those dates.

 

Seems I was right. I mean, 'convention', 'west', and 'corporate meeting'. That's a trifecta there that screams Apple.

 

sigh Sure hope there's a new Mac Pro…

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I can break your arm if I apply enough force, but in normal handshaking this won't happen ever.
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It's June 6-10 Moscone West, which isn't noted as being booked on those dates.

Seems I was right. I mean, 'convention', 'west', and 'corporate meeting'. That's a trifecta there that screams Apple.

Ah, I saw a banner on the WWDC site saying June 6-10 - that must have been last year's banner.
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Mountain Lion has support for Mobile Radeon 7000 series GPUs:

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2012/04/21/mobility-radeon-7000-series-supported-in-mountain-lion-next-gpu-in-imac-and-mbp

but no mention of desktop series. They did add desktop support for Radeon 6000 cards in Lion that weren't used in any machines. Maybe they planned to update the Pro for Sandy Bridge last year and Intel has just messed it all up by delaying it so long.

If they did do an update, I expect the spec they'd go with for the Pro would be still up to dual processor, 6x Thunderbolt, 1x internal slot (x16) for a proprietary GPU card and no optical drives. This could be about 2/3 the size of the current one. It would be 40% faster at best (the GPU might make up for it though with OpenCL in apps like FCPX). This is fine for a 1 year upgrade but not after almost 2 years. IMO, the best way to salvage it would be if Intel skipped Ivy Bridge Xeons and went to Haswell. That wouldn't exclude the option of a Sandy Bridge update and it gets back to Moore's Law for upgrades.
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...In the example of the Asus Transformer, it could be argued that it is a more elegant solution than Apple's keyboard dock, especially if you want to take the keyboard with you on your travels... 

Marvin, have you seen the CruxLoaded?  It's sort of like the Transformer dock, and has a built in trackpad as well as keyboard.  Think the software even throws a cursor onto the display. More expensive than the Transformer thingy, but I'd go for one if it had a numeric keypad.  (Too bad there's not the room.)  Still in development but I believe they are taking orders.

I hadn't seen that. It does look useful but very chunky and $250 is expensive. The mouse also seems to be on a demo of a remote desktop app so the cursor will be what you see on Splashtop here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jgh4qjWIus

Apple could perhaps integrate a keyboard onto the Smart Cover and power it and transmit data via the metal hinge:

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A laser keyboard would be cooler but not tactile.
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