Originally Posted by RBR
I don't know what universe you are in if you think it bad business to let customers know you are not abandoning them.
I'm not sure where this insecurity comes from. Apples PC business is doing really good and has done so for years now. That is largely driven by laptop sales, which should hightlight to anyone that Apples desktop line has issues. It is a given that sooner or later they will rationalize that desktop line up. That means a Pro machine that actually sells well needs to be offered up.
It is true that Apple, historically, treats customers like (used oats) and is disinclined to tell anybody anything.
I'm not really sure there is any point in discussing this with you if you honestly believe the above. Apple isn't treating customers like used oats, as assinine as that is. Honestly though if you can't grasp why they impose secrecy on product development then I'm spinning my wheels here.
That does not mean it is bad business practice to do so however. Indeed, in this instance, all the company need tell the customers is that there will be a continuation of the product line. That's it!
Baloney! There is no way that could ever be useful. If they say yes it will be continued then people will put life on hold waiting for hardware that may not even have a firm shipping date yet. On the other hand if they tell people it will be discontinued they then have people all excited even if they have a replacement in the wings.
You miss the point of my earlier statement entirely. It is not a matter of waiting for the release of the new product, but rather a question of whether there will be a new product and, if so, whether there will be a new product after that.
You don't have a point. It serves no useful purpose to discuss future products. The history of the computer industry is filled with various company failures for doing just that.
The "or I'm leaving mentality" that you don't get is the group of customers who will be forced to leave because of the lack of a product to purchase. I don't buy your "the fact that nothing has been said means something good is coming" approach.
Then leave and stop whining on the forum! If you aren't willing to wait to see which direction Apple is going in then leave and go in your own direction. Really I get tired of this spastic noise about the Mac Pro when the most likely chips for that machine have only been announced for about a month now.
That of course assumes Apple is actually going to produce another iteration of the Mac Pro when there are really good reasons to not build another Pro machine on that frame.
Does that mean that, because Apple have said nothing about a 17" MBP something good is coming?
In a sense yes it does. You need to realize Apple has also said nothing about the 13 & 15" MBPs either. Yet in each case I suspect something good is coming.
The problem I have with you, is that you are letting some analyst with no inside info, jerk your chain. This is the problem, not the potential of the 17" being discontinued. The 17" could go the way of the Dodo or be replaced with something entirely different. It really doesn't matter until whatever happens happens. You never know the new machine could be the ultimate laptop in many users eyes.
Apple is proving to again be the unreliable vendor that they were some years ago which is too bad.
That is complete bull crap! Apple has been doing great delivering really good products into the Mac channel. Nothing I've seen even remotely justifies your calling them unreliable.
You repeat my earlier comment that, should the Sandy Bridge Xeons be delayed, as appears to be the case, it would make sense to focus on its replacement (Haswell) as the basis for the new Mac Pro, if there is to be one.
I have no idea where you dreamed up the idea of "detailed product preannouncements" when the comment was simply about letting people know that there will be a product.
There is no way Apple can pre announce anything to any level of detail and get a positive result out of that release. That is what you don't understand and apparently never will.
In any event as long as Apple sells Macs there will be product. Maybe not the product that meets your needs but product none the less.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it would be helpful to read the post before taking off on tangents.
Apple have, on occasion, shot themselves in the foot with particular market segments. For example, Steve's incessant war with Adobe, drove a lot of photographers, graphic artists and other users of the Adobe Creative Suite from the platform because of the uncertainty of whether there would be a 64-bit version for the Mac (which turned into an extended delay).
Where did you get the idea that there was a war with Adobe? As far as I can see there never was a war. If anything Adobe took a pissy attitude with Apple when Apple forcefully set out the path to 64 bit. Frankly they did the right thing as it forced porting to Cocoa. By the way Adobe wasn't the only company to have to deal with this porting, in the end though it has proven to be one of Apple smarter moves to leave legacy software behind.
A good many simply could not give up the productivity gains the 64-bit app offered in the face of the uncertainty created by Apple.
Originally Posted by wizard69
First if a Mac Pro or it's replacement where to come out it would most likely use Sandy Bridge E. Since Ivy Bridge brings little in the way of processor improvements there is no reason to even target Ivy Bridge XEONs. If there is any sense at all at Intel they will target Haswell as the next XEON platform.
As to your wishing for a statement from Apple - are you out of your mind? Seriously why would you even expect such a thing from Apple knowing their history and secrecy. Beyond that it is just bad business to tip your hand when you are in a leadership position. From the standpoint of a computer user if you aren't willing to wait for new Apple products to hit you really are on the wrong platform to begin with. If you are expecting detailed product preannouncements, that on the face are stupid, you are doing business with the wrong vendor.
In any event if Apple was to give up on the Pro completely they would say something ahead of time just like they did with XServe. The thing is this doesn't mean the the current Mac Pro has a future but rather that Apple has options. The fact that nothing has been said is a good thing because it means that something is coming.
As to new laptops it could be as long as two months. Apple could wait until WWDC. They have done it before where hardware updates dragged for months after Intel hardware arrived. Usually this is a sign of waiting on other tech.
In any event I just don't get this "Apple must do this or I'm leaving" mentality. Especially from people claiming to be professionals, you buy into Apple you buy into their practices. Anybody claiming to be a professional should have realized Apples nature before laying down the cash.
In any event I'm still of the opinion that it is best to ignore all the negative speculation about Apples new Macs. As noted Mac sales still outpace the industry. There is little reason for Apple to abandon the product line.
More importantly a lot of new technology is converging that gives Apple a huge number of options for future hardware. Even if only a few new bits of tech get into the new Macs it will still make for impressive new machines.