Exhibits in Oracle case show Google expected Android to take 33% of iPad market in 2011 - Page 2

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

 

 

You're really willing to pay attention to that article?

First, they're obviously including Kindle and other forked-Android products in the Android numbers. Kindle doesn't help Google or Android adoption at all, so really should be broken out separately.

Second, they're using Android projections to compare to Apple's actual sales.

My favorite, however, is "Gartner pointed out that the sales volume will continue to rise to 61-some million units in 2013, but can’t match that of Apple’s iPad until 2016, when an estimate of 170 million units of iPad and 130 million units of Android-installed tablets will be sold." Wait a second, if 170 M iPads and 130 M Android tablets are sold, how has Android matched Apple?

 

These guys can't even do simple math.

And, of course, that assumes that all the Android tablet makers are content to continue to sell products that they don't make much (if any) money on.

As much as I'm willing to give an article from The Verge any notice. The point is sales for Tablets with Android are growing and it is still a money maker.

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Originally Posted by matrix07 

btw, does this forum work on Safari? I can't post on both my Mac and iPad. (Oh, this new forum is a nightmare to post. It's not working correctly even with Firefox.)

Roy and Moss both suggested that you try turning your Mac and iPad off and then back on again.

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Originally Posted by Rob55 

 

 

AI forums were no better on an iPhone before the switch. Where the iPhone version of the main AI site is perfectly fine, once you clicked on the "comments" button in an article to go to the forums, everything became microscopic. It was like that before and it's like that now. I'm note sure what you're referring to.

My point was I could at least read the posts if I held the iPhone in landscape mode.  I would have to double tap on the body of a reply to center it in my window but from there I was able to scroll up or down.  Now I have to also scroll left and right because the text runs off the page.  I gave up on it after a few attempts.  You're right about replying, as good as the read function was replying to a comment was comical at best.

The AI forums seem to be working about as smoothly as the new Finder does for me in Lion.  When I open a folder items are filling in and formatting as I'm trying to click on a particular file.  SL's finder as outdated as it was, was considerably faster and smoother.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

[...] Google expected its partners to sell 10 million Honeycomb tablets by the end of 2011.  Instead, Honeycomb tablets flopped right out of the gate and never recovered, not only dashing Google's plans for taking over the tablet market that Apple had created the previous year, but also severely delaying the development of Android on smartphones.

Google just doesn't think things through.  They take the Brian Wilson approach ("Wouldn't it be Nice") and dump products onto the market with unrealistic expectations (Wave, Google TV, etc.)  They do what Microsoft does: bang it out ASAP and attempt to fix it up later.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

Other figures from the Oracle trial have underlined the fact that Google has consistently earned far more from Apple's iOS than it has from its own Android platform. The company testified that across four years from 2008-2011, it earned less than $550 million from Android, less than half as much as it earned from Apple in a single year.

 

Last week, Larry Page testified that he was "not sure" that Android is a critical asset.  He continued on, saying that Android was far more important as an advertisement delivery vehicle than as a product unto itself.  A fact that we've all known for years now.  96% of Google's revenue comes from ads.  Your eyeballs on ads are Google's real product.

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Originally Posted by Relic 

 

 

As much as I'm willing to give an article from The Verge any notice. The point is sales for Tablets with Android are growing and it is still a money maker.

That may be so - but an article that's as full of errors as the Gartner report isn't the least bit useful to support that belief.

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Originally Posted by Relic 

 

Gartner: Global Tablet PC Sales to Double to 119 M. Units This Year 2012/04/26

Taipei, April 26, 2012 (CENS)--Global sales of tablet PCs are estimated to double to 119 million units this year from 60 million units sold last year, with Apple Inc. to command a dominant share of 61.4%, according to Gartner Inc., a British global PC market researcher.  Gartner’s latest report indicates that Apple is expected to sell around 73 million units of iPad worldwide this year, more than Hewlett-Packard Co.’s PCs in sales volume. The market researcher also projects optimistically that global sales of tablet PCs will surge to 180 million units in 2013 to near those of ordinary laptops.  Of the estimated tablet PC sales, models powered by Google’s Android mobile operating system will account for 38 million units this year. Gartner pointed out that the sales volume will continue to rise to 61-some million units in 2013, but can’t match that of Apple’s iPad until 2016, when an estimate of 170 million units of iPad and 130 million units of Android-installed tablets will be sold.  As to the Microsoft’s Windows 8, which has been long awaited by global non-iPad tablet vendors to shake up Apple’s leading status in the competitive landscape, Gartner opines that sales of tablets installed with this new operating system will total only 4.86 million units this year, but will shoot up to 14.5 million units for a 7.9% share of the total tablet PC sales in 2013.  Gartner emphasized that non-iPad suppliers still have a long way to go to catch up with Apple, though they have been working hard on differentiating hardware specifications and application systems of their models to attract consumers. Of the total sales of 60-some million tablet PCs last year, only 17 million units were non-iPad models, according to Gartner’s report.  But, the launch of Windows 8 is likely to cast a ray of hopes for non-iPad suppliers targeting the commercial segment, Gartner furthered, mainly because most enterprises are more familiar with Microsoft’s PC operating systems, which will grant these suppliers a promising opportunity for boosting their overall sales in the short term. In 2015, the market researcher continued, commercial tablets will command a 35% share of the total sales.

 

 

According to Gartner, Android isn't doing as bad as everyone here is stating. It's still a viable market and growing rapidly this year.

Android isn't a market.

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Originally Posted by Slang4Art 

 

 

Android isn't a market.

Android Tablets is, I thought that was already implied since this entire thread is about tablets. Stop nick picking it's bad manners, you fully understood what I was talking about. 

Well, I have a Samsung TV and a Samsung Blu-Ray player.  I am happy with both of them.

But I'm not giving up on my iPhone or my iPad.  Android seems like a mess to me.  

ETA:  OK this was meant to be a response.  This whole new thing is messing me up. :)

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

 

 

That may be so - but an article that's as full of errors as the Gartner report isn't the least bit useful to support that belief.

Well I'm sorry, I would just trust Gartner that's been doing this since 79' way before I would trust a site like The Verge, something about the staff having computer doctorates and financial degrees that give them a little more credibility. That and I got this article from the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. It's says nothing bad about Apple, just that Android is making some progress in the market and it is. Apple will not dominate this market forever and nore is it to your benefit that any one company have a monopoly on a product, even if it is from Apple.

I want Windows 8 for Arm to be a viable competitor as do I want Android to be, it will only mean more choice for the consumers. Fine most of you think that Android tablets are garbage, the companies that are making them are listening and they are becoming better. The new Toshiba line, 7.7mm thick, really neat stuff, The Asus TF-300, hybrid tablet with a keyboard base for less then 500 and a 18 hour battery, pretty cool. Just wait until tablets with Windows 8 for Arm start making themselves known. Pretty exciting times, the tablets future is looking pretty great and sure Apple might lead the pack for the foreseeable future but if tech history has taught us that it's never forever. Especially when you have so many company's now starting to get their act together.

2013 Tablet OS market prediction

55% iOS

35% Android

10% Windows 8

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Originally Posted by aderutter 

I wish Apple would(could?) just ban all ad networks from iOS other than iAds.

Well, they did make quite a dent in ads when they decided not to support "Flash." 

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Originally Posted by SockRolid 

 

Google just doesn't think things through.  They take the Brian Wilson approach ("Wouldn't it be Nice") and dump products onto the market with unrealistic expectations (Wave, Google TV, etc.)  They do what Microsoft does: bang it out ASAP and attempt to fix it up later.

 

 

Last week, Larry Page testified that he was "not sure" that Android is a critical asset.  He continued on, saying that Android was far more important as an advertisement delivery vehicle than as a product unto itself.  A fact that we've all known for years now.  96% of Google's revenue comes from ads.  Your eyeballs on ads are Google's real product.

The fact that Android is not making the money Google expected is only part of the picture. Android is a drain on the focus of the upper management. It has already noticeably effected the profitability of Google's cash cow. I expect the stock holders and board to start telling Google to dump the Android fixation and get back to what makes money. Already there is efforts underway by Microsoft and Apple to find alternates to Google Maps, and Microsoft has already developed Bing and has made it a replacement for Google search. Google's actions with Android and their purchase of Motorola is causing some major corporation to begin to isolate Google's access to users/consumers.

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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky 

 

 

The fact that Android is not making the money Google expected is only part of the picture. Android is a drain on the focus of the upper management. It has already noticeably effected the profitability of Google's cash cow. I expect the stock holders and board to start telling Google to dump the Android fixation and get back to what makes money. Already there is efforts underway by Microsoft and Apple to find alternates to Google Maps, and Microsoft has already developed Bing and has made it a replacement for Google search. Google's actions with Android and their purchase of Motorola is causing some major corporation to begin to isolate Google's access to users/consumers.

Unfortunately Bing isn't very good. I have a Nokia 800 and Bing is the default search engine so I have tested it a lot. My conclusion is this Bing is not a Google killer, far, far from it. I would love to see a competitor to Google unfortunately there really isn't one at the moment. As far as maps are concerned, yea, no one will come close to what Google offers for a very long time. Google has a fleet of trucks that go up and down every street in America taking photos for goodness sakes. You can say all you want about Android but Google Maps is absolutely brilliant the best, they even have exclusive rights to satellite pictures from China and USSR that no other company will ever get because of the deals they made with Google to block out certain sites for them, evil yes. Even Microsofts Maps uses Google Maps in the back end for a lot of things, plus it's no where even close to offering the same features.

Apple is defiantly the king of mobile devices but Apple has a long way to go if they want to compete with Google when it comes to online apps like Maps.

Oh and Android is free like ChromeOS and every other service they have. They make their money from adds, let it be from iOS, OSX, Windows, Linux they still make their money. The Board, stock holders are making money and are not going to interfere. There is no other OS out there right now that can compete with iOS, every major phone manufacture except for Nokia has bet the farm with Android there is no way that it's going anywhere anytime soon. This thing with Oracle will go away soon and it will b business as usual. I'm no surprised there isn't any outrage against Oracle for doing this to Google, Oracle didn't make Java they just happened to own the property that the once great Sun made. Google didn't do any wrong, the Oracle source code is opened and Google releases their source for every version of  Android for others to modify as they want or copy and redistribute as long as they also post their source.

Besides I thought Java was this dying program language that no one uses anymore. Sorry I couldn't say that with a straight face as right now there are so many Java Developer jobs available. Oh man have you seen Monster lately, must have Java know how is every where, I think it's back in a big, big way. Sorry off subject, this thing will be settled and will be a none issue soon. Just like this Motorola patents suit against Apple, it will be settled soon. 

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Originally Posted by Relic 

 

 

Well I'm sorry, I would just trust Gartner that's been doing this since 79' 

OK. So your point is that you're incapable of thinking things through for yourself and have to rely on what someone tells you so you accept what someone tells you just because they've been around for a long time? You're not capable of figuring out when someone is telling you something that's clearly wrong?
 

The fact is that the study is useless.   "can’t match that of Apple’s iPad until 2016, when an estimate of 170 million units of iPad and 130 million units of Android-installed tablets will be sold. " alone should be enough to tell you that these people either don't have any idea what they're talking about or are so sloppy that their data is meaningless.

Not to mention, of course, that they're comparing Google projections to Apple's actual sales figures for past years.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 

 

 

OK. So your point is that you're incapable of thinking things through for yourself and have to rely on what someone tells you so you accept what someone tells you just because they've been around for a long time? You're not capable of figuring out when someone is telling you something that's clearly wrong?
 

The fact is that the study is useless.   "can’t match that of Apple’s iPad until 2016, when an estimate of 170 million units of iPad and 130 million units of Android-installed tablets will be sold. " alone should be enough to tell you that these people either don't have any idea what they're talking about or are so sloppy that their data is meaningless.

Not to mention, of course, that they're comparing Google projections to Apple's actual sales figures for past years.

What, I post an article from the New York Times in which the source was Gartner and this article from The Vere is the gossple. My point was that for every negative post that some tech blog posts I can find an article from a real news source that says something different. However I never see those posted here just the ones that show tech from another company as garbage. You are the one taking this article from The Verge with a grain of salt

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Originally Posted by Relic 

 

What, I post an article from the New York Times in which the source was Gartner and this article from The Vere is the gossple. My point was that for every negative post that some tech blog posts I can find an article from a real news source that says something different. However I never see those posted here just the ones that show tech from another company as garbage. You are the one taking this article from The Verge with a grain of salt

 

The point is that the article you cited has been shown to be wrong - or, at best, written by someone who doesn't understand 2nd grade math or who doesn't care enough about facts to bother proofreading his article. That makes it a very questionable source and therefore doesn't prove anything.