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Nokia has earned more from iPhone than selling Lumia Windows Phone 7

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After Microsoft was found to be making more from licensing its patents to Android handset makers than from selling its own Windows Phone 7, it's now clear Nokia has earned more from licensing patents to Apple than it has selling its own Lumia Windows Phone 7 devices.

Nokia actually lost money selling mobile devices over the last quarter, resulting in a $1.7 billion loss overall despite the launch of a variety of new Lumia devices.

After a troubling first quarter one year ago resulted in sales of 108.5 million mobile devices, the company only managed to sell 82.7 million units over the past quarter, a decline of 24 percent.



However, Nokia was able to rake in around $600 million from Apple to settle a patent licensing dispute involving a variety of standards essential patents, according to a source familiar with the terms of the deal.

If it can't reverse its fortunes selling Windows Phone 7-based Lumia phones, Nokia is likely to convert itself into a non-practicing entity going after other smartphone makers, or it may choose to sell its broad patent portfolio to another firm, potentially including Microsoft itself.

Last year, Google agreed to pay an astounding $12.5 billion to acquire Motorola Mobility, which like Nokia has been losing money making smartphones. Also like Nokia and Microsoft, Google has been earning significantly more revenue from Apple's iOS than its own Android platform.
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And I'll raise your *snort* with a *snicker* and a *chortle*.

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Also like Nokia and Microsoft, Google has been earning significantly more revenue from Apple's iOS than its own
 

 

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It is a shame Nokia is dieing.  But that is what horrible mismanagement does. How does throwing away all your innovation and unique solutions in favor of being yet another cloner, and not just any type of cloner, a cloner of the already failed Microsoft WIndows Phone, make any sense?  If they made cloner Android phones they would probably at least be selling some.
 

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It is a shame Nokia is dieing.  But that is what horrible mismanagement does. How does throwing away all your innovation and unique solutions in favor of being yet another cloner, and not just any type of cloner, a cloner of the already failed Microsoft WIndows Phone, make any sense?  If they made cloner Android phones they would probably at least be selling some.
 

 

They would still face the problem of profitability.  The only maker with enough volume to turn a profit is Samsung.  I am not sure there is room for two profitable handset makers in Android land.

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So, not only are Apple's profits/revenues the lion's share of the mobile industry, what the others make is partially being paid for by Apple!?

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In other news, Microsoft makes more from Android than they do Windows Phone.

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In other news, Microsoft makes more from Android than they do Windows Phone.

 


Wasn't it true at some point in the past that Microsoft made more from the average Mac than from the average Windows box, because a higher fraction of Mac buyers bought a full licence for Office, vs. Windows users who generally had bundled licenses and didn't buy new versions? A software company that's nimble enough can make money no matter who sells the hardware. Apple is unusual in owning the whole ecosystem, with some obvious benefits. I can't think of anyone else who is as vertically integrated as they are. They licence the CPU design from ARM and use commodity components when they can, and outsource manufacturing, but much of the product is Apple designed from low level parts up.

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It is a shame Nokia is dieing.  But that is what horrible mismanagement does. How does throwing away all your innovation and unique solutions in favor of being yet another cloner, and not just any type of cloner, a cloner of the already failed Microsoft WIndows Phone, make any sense?  If they made cloner Android phones they would probably at least be selling some.
 

 

They would still face the problem of profitability.  The only maker with enough volume to turn a profit is Samsung.  I am not sure there is room for two profitable handset makers in Android land.


The market already determined there was _no_ room for any profitable handset makers in the failed Windows Phone cloner market. The fact is, Android actually sells, so there is hope to make some money there.
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It is a shame Nokia is dieing.  But that is what horrible mismanagement does. How does throwing away all your innovation and unique solutions in favor of being yet another cloner, and not just any type of cloner, a cloner of the already failed Microsoft WIndows Phone, make any sense?  If they made cloner Android phones they would probably at least be selling some.
 

 

Windows Phone is NOT a "clone". In fact, it's not like iOS at all.

 

If we are talking about Android, then that's a different story.

 

 

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They would still face the problem of profitability. The only maker with enough volume to turn a profit is Samsung. I am not sure there is room for two profitable handset makers in Android land.

 

You've raised a good point. That's likely why Nokia turned to Windows Phone.

 

And while Samsung do make Windows Phones, they are really just rehash of its previously released Android phones. Samsung has also not made much effort in promoting its Windows Phones lineup.

 

 

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The market already determined there was _no_ room for any profitable handset makers in the failed Windows Phone cloner market. The fact is, Android actually sells, so there is hope to make some money there.

 

1. Windows Phone is no clone

2. Carriers really determine what sells and what doesn't. (iPhone being the exception)


Edited by illegaloperation - 4/27/12 at 10:23pm
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It is a shame Nokia is dieing.  But that is what horrible mismanagement does. How does throwing away all your innovation and unique solutions in favor of being yet another cloner, and not just any type of cloner, a cloner of the already failed Microsoft WIndows Phone, make any sense?  If they made cloner Android phones they would probably at least be selling some.
 

 

Honestly, the argument that Microsoft is "cloning", especially in regards to Apple, died out in the 90's.  If you're suggesting that Windows Phone is a copy of iOS, you're an idiot, plain and simple.  Microsoft isn't copying anything these days - they are trying to catch up, and to be fair to them, they are trying to do this in different ways (unlike Google for example).  Microsoft should be credited for scrapping everything and starting again, even if their product isn't taking hold.

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Honestly, the argument that Microsoft is "cloning", especially in regards to Apple, died out in the 90's.  If you're suggesting that Windows Phone is a copy of iOS, you're an idiot, plain and simple.  Microsoft isn't copying anything these days - they are trying to catch up, and to be fair to them, they are trying to do this in different ways (unlike Google for example).  Microsoft should be credited for scrapping everything and starting again, even if their product isn't taking hold.

 

Actually Android shows little in resemblance to iOS as well, maybe when it was first released. I actually have my daughters iPhone and my Samsung Note right here in front of me and the only similarities I see is the way Android displays it's icons when you click on the applications button and iOS's notification bar looks like Androids. The rest is completely different and there is no way anyone using Android would think that it is even close to iOS. Why people are calling Android a clone. The differences are night and day.

 

I don't know am I missing something, why do people think that Android is copying Apple. I see more Android features in iOS then the other way around. Could someone tell me where this started from.

 

Wow that screen is tiny, I completely forgot,one thing is for sure after using the Note there is no way I could ever go back to such a small display. Sorry I shouldn't have mentioned it but my daughter needed me to Jail Break her phone again so she can mount it as a normal drive. I am actually stunned, it never seemed this small when I was using it, surfing on it isn't very good, you have to constantly pinch and zoom.


Edited by Relic - 4/28/12 at 2:58pm
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post #15 of 15

This article is completely wrong.

 

The Lumia was only released in Europe and North America late in the last quarter/early of the 1st quarter of this year. We're just getting it now in Australia and so are the other emerging markets like Middle East, Africa and China.

 

Therefore the loss in sales has NOTHING to do from sales of Windows Phone 7 phones but from previous other phones made by Nokia.

 

If you look at North America it's actually increased 20%!!!! from the previous quarter showing the Lumia's are selling since being released and increasing Nokia's sales! With the release of the 900 in America this month as well I'm sure we'll see and even bigger result from this quarter, AT&T and Amazon selling out in the first 2 weeks of sales.

 

The 610 was just released in China last week as well so you can only report on that in the next quarter, and I'm sure we're gonna see huge things there as well.

 

So get your facts right.

 

Nokia is investing in WP7 and expecting a loss to begin with as it moves away from it's previous phones. MS and Nokia have a big pocket and will continue till WP7 is a dominant 3rd phone. It's not dieing... It's only just beginning...

 

 

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