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Four months after being ousted by Apple, HP reclaimed the top spot in the client PC market in the first quarter of 2012, eking out a 40,000 unit lead over the iPad maker.

The latest figures posted by market research firm Canalys on Tuesday include shipments of Apple's iPad, though the company's tablet-inclusive numbers slipped in the April quarter while HP's numbers remained relatively steady.

The firm explains that Apple's previous lead was based largely on fourth quarter 2011 tablet shipments, which amounted to over 15 million units. After the holiday season, iPad shipments fell to 11.8 million units in the first quarter of 2012, bringing the company's total PC number to 15.8 million.

Lenovo saw 50 percent year-to-year growth to claim third place as the total PC client market grew 21% to 107 million units. Acer and Dell rounded out the top five, though both companies suffered shipment declines from the year ago quarter.

The tablet sector enjoyed a 200 percent year-on-year increase in shipments, lead mainly by Apple's iPad, and represented 19 percent of all PC client shipments in the first quarter compared to 7 percent a year ago.

Notebook and desktop exhibited growth, rising 11 percent and 8 percent respectively. Netbook shipments contracted 34 percent to take only 5 percent of the total PC market compared to a high of 13 percent two years ago, the sixth successive drop for the sector.

"Most of the leading PC vendors have done a reasonable job of offsetting the declines in their netbook shipments over the past year with increased pad business," said Canalys Research Analyst Tom Evans. "Samsung and Lenovo are two that stand out in terms of substantially increasing overall volume, though Asus has performed well too. The challenge is breaking out into the really big volumes to challenge the leaders ? Apple and Amazon. So far, only Samsung has shown it can routinely ship more than a million pads a quarter."

Breaking down the numbers by region, North America showed the most growth with a 31 percent year-on-year bump fueled mainly by tablet shipments. EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) and Asia both posted 19 percent increases while Latin America came in with a 10 percent growth rate.

"If you look at the US, pads are approaching 40% of all client PC shipments," said Canalys VP and Principal Analyst, Chris Jones. "The rest of the market here was down slightly in Q1. The pad proposition for US consumers is very strong ? thanks to the wider choice in content and apps ? and the impact on the other categories is more severe."

PC makers are looking forward to the opportunity offered by the thin-and-light ultrabook market which is being highly touted by chip maker Intel. The devices are slated to start mass shipments in the second quarter of 2012 and will sport Microsoft's next-generation Windows 8 OS.

Apple is also expected to release a revamped lineup of MacBook Pros that are rumored to be similar in design to the company's popular MacBook Air notebooks. Canalys previously estimated that combined iPad and Mac sales would make Apple the world's largest PC vendor in 2012.
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Enjoy it while it lasts, HP!

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Those figures would be before the iPad 3 came out. Also, Apple will get another nice boost when they start upgrading Macs to Ivy Bridge.

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Until the new Macs come.

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Wowwwww . . . .

 

/sarcasm

 

This is no longer impressive, HP. 

 

Well, if it was 1998, then yes . . .

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Why does anyone care who sells the most of anything? It's just bragging rights in my opinion. It's the old "there are more cockroaches on the world than humans" argument. Define a successful species or company. I really don't care if Apple sells more "PCs" than HP, depending on how one defines PC. I don't care if Samsung sells more smartphones than Nokia or Apple. Each side of this "war" uses whatever metric makes them look the best in comparison to their rival; market share, mind share, revenue, profit, stock price, p/e ratio, surveys, studies, analysis, whatever. I don't care if Apple is the most valuable company in the world. Really. Why should Apple fans give a crap about how many TVs, PCs, MP3 players, phones, tablets Samsung, or Nokia, or RIM, or HP, or Dell, or Sharp, or whoever. I don't care how many cars Toyota sells because I don't buy Toyota cars. Apple won't be the top dog forever. Just look at Microsoft. NOBODY gives a tinker's damn what Microsoft does anymore. And they were the top dog for years. So it will be with Apple.

 

As a long time Apple customer I care that Apple continues to make high quality, useable products that I enjoy, and provides good customer service when I need it. 

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Why does anyone care who sells the most of anything? ... I really don't care if Apple sells more "PCs" than HP... NOBODY gives a tinker's damn what Microsoft does anymore. And they were the top dog for years. So it will be with Apple.

 

 

 

Get with the program, noob. Here at AI if there's an article that paints Apple as less than anything but the pinnacle of greatness and awesomitude, you come out swinging with excuses, refutations, and snark, because that makes everything better.

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Who actually cares that HP sold 40,000 windows based pc at $499.99?
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Get with the program, noob. Here at AI if there's an article that paints Apple as less than anything but the pinnacle of greatness and awesomitude, you come out swinging with excuses, refutations, and snark, because that makes everything better.

 

And I'm also tired of your type too. You are on the other side of the mirror of those whom you criticize. Nothing Apple does merits any worth with your type. You are here on an Apple centric website for one reason and one reason only, to tear down and ridicule. 

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If they are including iPads, this "crown" they speak of won't last long.  I am not concerned with who sells the most because everyone is always in a state of "about to release a new product line".  Apple releases their products throughout the year and when they get ready to roll out a new product, demand decreases for current products and supply goes away within a month or so of the new product.  Then after they release a new product, it takes a while for them to roll it out around the world.  Apple is STILL rolling out the iPad 3, even though it was announced and started shipping two months ago, plus they are ramping up production as they have more demand than product rolling off the production lines.  Now it is desktops and laptops that are about to get updates, so some of their products are dwindling in sales while everyone prepares for the new product announcements.  If Apple does't release any new laptops or desktops this month, then wait until WWDC.

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Until the new Macs come.

Do you think it's going to make a difference. I still use my Macbook Air as my main machine but it seems that Apple is focusing more and more with iOS. Not a real fan of iOS but I'm a big fan of OSX and it seems like Apple wants to introduce more elements of iOS within OSX, including all the limitations. Unless Apple introduces a higher rez screen for their next gen Airs I think I'm going to a Asus Zenbook with higher rez, better battery and Hackintosh it or use my favorite linux Centos and Solaris 11.

Here's hoping Apple will come out with a retina display, please, please Apple.
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Let's see...

 

HP market cap = 49 Billion

 

Apple market cap = 582 Billion

 

But hey, HP is the world's number 1 PC maker!

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Do you think it's going to make a difference.

 

Of course it will. The last iMac update was exactly one day shy of an entire YEAR ago. People are waiting. 

 

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…including all the limitations.

 

Enlighten us on these, if you would? I see nothing but increased usability with OS X.

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And I'm also tired of your type too. You are on the other side of the mirror of those whom you criticize. Nothing Apple does merits any worth with your type. You are here on an Apple centric website for one reason and one reason only, to tear down and ridicule. 

 

I guess I should have included my <sarcasm> flag, since you completely missed it.

 

My point (as long as I'm spelling things out) was that this article really has nothing to do with Apple, and certainly doesn't make Apple any less successful, or its products any less compelling. Yet judging by the responses that are common to this kind of faux news on this forum, it seems people take it personally that another computer company sold more units one quarter than Apple did, so they feel a juvenile need to rush to Apple's defense (as if they needed defending).

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Those figures would be before the iPad 3 came out. Also, Apple will get another nice boost when they start upgrading Macs to Ivy Bridge.

Nobody cares about the newest chipset any longer, especially now that Apple is dumping their pro series. Besides when you take away the iPad from the equation, Apple has 8.8% of the computer market. Which is incredible by the way but a far cry from what HP has. Computer market not media consumption devices like the iPad/iPod.
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I guess I am odd but I look to see how much profit these companies make from their endeavors. It matters not a whit to me what position Apple ranks in unit sales if they are bringing home the largest share of profits.

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Of course it will. The last iMac update was exactly one day shy of an entire YEAR ago. People are waiting. 


Enlighten us on these, if you would? I see nothing but increased usability with OS X.

Aaah I still have faith that OSX will be untouched by Apples transition into total control over wht the user can and cannot do with their computers. I said what I said about the new verssion of OSX that will only allow the user to install programs that are signed from the Apple Store. There is a way to overide it but it is still registered with the system, which program was overriden and what it does. All programs that are installed will be regestered with Apple and this will probably be the last version that you will be able to side load programs. Apple is already getting rid of their pro stuff, I just have this bad feeling that oSX will become as closed as iOS, if that is the case then I will defiantly not use OSX anymore and just buy Macbooks to install Unix or Linux on. Which is okay by me as I'm starting to really like Linux more and more.
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…this will probably be the last version that you will be able to side load programs.

 

Hell hath no fury like me scorned. Me being 'a user', not 'a woman'. No way are they getting away with that.

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Apple is already getting rid of their pro stuff…

 

Huh. Seems they're updating FCP just fine. And Logic'll be coming along, too. The MacBook Pro's update has been anticipated for some time, and the Mac Pro just recently saw new chips finally become available.

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I guess I am odd but I look to see how much profit these companies make from their endeavors. It matters not a whit to me what position Apple ranks in unit sales if they are bringing home the largest share of profits.

Unless you an investor does it matter? Ah you like to see which company can charge the most money on top of what it is actualy worth for the product just to see which idiot bites first, sick man, really sick. Yes Apple has the highest margins of any computer company out there. Are you happy now, huh, it's not crack but it as well should be as I would still buy a Macbook Air even if they charged 75% margin istead of just 50%. Oh man, I need rehab, my name is Relic and I'm a Appleholic.
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…even if they charged 75% margin istead of just 50%.

I'd like the numbers, please, where you're getting a 50% margin.

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Hell hath no fury like me scorned. Me being 'a user', not 'a woman'. No way are they getting away with that.

Huh. Seems they're updating FCP just fine. And Logic'll be coming along, too. The MacBook Pro's update has been anticipated for some time, and the Mac Pro just recently saw new chips finally become available.

I hope so, I really do as I really like OSX. It's my favorite Unix next to Solaris. i just checked the Pro line it's still the same. Where did you hear they are going to change it. I would really like to know before I buy a new Penguin Computing Workstation. Oh by the way I'm going home in two weeks. Yaaay, I will still have to go to the hospital for Chemotherapie but at least I can suffer at home. So excited and so tired of being in this blasted bed. I don't no why I'm saying this but the worst thing about being in a IC care unit is when you have to go to the bathroom the nurse roles in a chair, they help you in it and have to stand there while, you know. All the pain, all the grief and that sucks the most. Sorry I had to tell someone it jut happened like 20 minutes ago and the nurse is talking to her friend on the telephone the whole time. I hate it here.

Oh one more thing, FCP kind of sucks now. I went black to using the previous version. It's more of pro-sumer program now, i think Adobe and Avid are happy now. Still use and love Logic, though I also have a childish crush on Fruityloops, oh and have you seen the new ipad version, really neat.
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I'd like the numbers, please, where you're getting a 50% margin.

Actually the lowest priced Macbook Air is 39.7%, the 17" inch has almost 54%.
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Actually the lowest priced Macbook Air is 39.7%, the 17" inch has almost 54%.

 

Again, the numbers, please. Proof that this is the case.

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Let's see...

 

HP market cap = 49 Billion

 

Apple market cap = 582 Billion

 

But hey, HP is the world's number 1 PC maker!

 

HP Beats apple in revenue 127 B vs 108 B

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue

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Nobody cares about the newest chipset any longer, especially now that Apple is dumping their pro series. Besides when you take away the iPad from the equation, Apple has 8.8% of the computer market. Which is incredible by the way but a far cry from what HP has. Computer market not media consumption devices like the iPad/iPod.


When you say "nobody", you mean "nobody among Apple fans"... right? Cause I do know a lot of PC enthusiasts, gamers, professionals who do care a lot.

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Get with the program, noob. Here at AI if there's an article that paints Apple as less than anything but the pinnacle of greatness and awesomitude, you come out swinging with excuses, refutations, and snark, because that makes everything better.

 

Apple can still be "awesome" even if they don't sell the most things.

 

And I don't care what side of the Windows/Mac fence people are on... is anyone suggesting HP makes the best computers in the world... because they sell the most? Surely not.

 

I really don't think Apple is worried that HP sold more "cheap" PCs this quarter.

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Apple can still be "awesome" even if they don't sell the most things.

 

 

 

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I don't even think tablets should be considered PC's.
 


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I don't even think tablets should be considered PC's.
 

 

Unsurprisingly, it doesn't matter what an individual like you thinks. This is *Canalys*'s study about the overall marketplace, not a collection of anecdotal responses.

 

It should be pointed that that media tablets (the iPad in particular) have clearly been influencing PC sales, particularly netbooks. No one thinks that an iPad will replace anyone's sole PC, however it is certainly a consideration to replace a second, third or fourth device that also happens to be portable.

 

With the proliferation of cloud-based office services like CloudOn and remote access apps, the iPad (and other media tablets) can certainly be considered as viable replacements for PCs in a large number of situations. Note that enterprise and government has basically abandoned the netbook.

 

Industry trends aren't defined by blog commenter pundits like you or me. They're determined by the buying public.

 

Canalys has done previous assessments of the computing industry that have considered the media tablet as a PC. At some point, it will be commonplace to include them as a subcategory for these sort of market studies.

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Those figures would be before the iPad 3 came out. Also, Apple will get another nice boost when they start upgrading Macs to Ivy Bridge.

 

 

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Enjoy it while it lasts, HP!

 

Meh. A win is a win.

Quick, someone post a graph showing the profit share by computer manufacturer.

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Amen, my friend. This is just "filler" news, something the fill the web pages. Not that I fault AI. All the tech blogs do it. I just don't see this PCs-sold count as having any importance. The down side of any article like this is that it attracts trolls like chum to sharks. Oh well, AI needs clicks too.

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HP Beats apple in revenue 127 B vs 108 B

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue

 

That's nice. Please explain why Apple's market cap is 12 times HP. Obviously, what Apple is selling is far more profitable than what HP is selling.


Much of HP's business is based on the "we can sell it to you for $0.05 less than the other guy" which isn't a very exciting business. I'm much more interested in products that innovate and create new markets.

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Why does anyone care who sells the most of anything? It's just bragging rights in my opinion. It's the old "there are more ****roaches on the world than humans" argument. Define a successful species or company. I really don't care if Apple sells more "PCs" than HP, depending on how one defines PC. I don't care if Samsung sells more smartphones than Nokia or Apple. Each side of this "war" uses whatever metric makes them look the best in comparison to their rival; market share, mind share, revenue, profit, stock price, p/e ratio, surveys, studies, analysis, whatever. I don't care if Apple is the most valuable company in the world. Really. Why should Apple fans give a crap about how many TVs, PCs, MP3 players, phones, tablets Samsung, or Nokia, or RIM, or HP, or Dell, or Sharp, or whoever. I don't care how many cars Toyota sells because I don't buy Toyota cars. Apple won't be the top dog forever. Just look at Microsoft. NOBODY gives a tinker's **** what Microsoft does anymore. And they were the top dog for years. So it will be with Apple.

 

As a long time Apple customer I care that Apple continues to make high quality, useable products that I enjoy, and provides good customer service when I need it. 

I second that, price competition has obviously had an effect on Apple quality in their Desktop/Laptop line and their once amazing support has been crippled of late.  I miss the old days when my PowerBook never needed a permissions repair or reboot & when I called support I got a reasonably knowledgable person every time.  Now I get the same hard drive as the piece of crap Dells my office buys & when I call Apple support they mostly tell me to re-load from scratch.  I've gotten used to now having to fix my own computer and the stability of Lion is looking closer to Windows with every release.  If I wanted to have to reboot once a week I'd have bought a PC.

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Four months after being ousted by Apple, HP reclaimed the top spot in the client PC market in the first quarter of 2012, eking out a 40,000 unit lead over the iPad maker.
The latest figures posted by market research firm Canalys on Tuesday include shipments of Apple's iPad, though the company's tablet-inclusive numbers slipped in the April quarter while HP's numbers remained relatively steady.
The firm explains that Apple's previous lead was based largely on fourth quarter 2011 tablet shipments, which amounted to over 15 million units. After the holiday season, iPad shipments fell to 11.8 million units in the first quarter of 2012, bringing the company's total PC number to 15.8 million.
Lenovo saw 50 percent year-to-year growth to claim third place as the total PC client market grew 21% to 107 million units. Acer and Dell rounded out the top five, though both companies suffered shipment declines from the year ago quarter.
 

First, IPAD'S ARE NOT FREAKING COMPUTERS... 

 

computers are seen as/(aka defined by having):

a mouse (trackpad), a keyboard and generally do not use a touch screen (aka you don't have to use a touch screen for everything)

 

That being said, i do not considering docked iPad's just a keyboard a computer... lack of mouse and requires use of touchscreen for everything.

 

That being said, i think the only winners are really Apple, because its notebook sales keep growing and Lenovo.

 

and finally DIE DELL DIE!

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First, IPAD'S ARE NOT FREAKING COMPUTERS... 

Yes, they are.

 

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computers are seen as/(aka defined by having):

a mouse (trackpad), a keyboard and generally do not use a touch screen (aka you don't have to use a touch screen for everything)

 

No, they're not.

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Yes, I am an Apple investor since the late 90s.

 

But, as usual, you miss the real point which  is that companies should not exist just to shift units but to make money. Most units sold is basically a pissing contest unless it correlates to profitability. Companies don't exist to give you a great deal but rather to extract as much as they can from you. This is capitalism. If you think you are being overcharged, buy something else.

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Yes, they are [computers]. 

That is why they are marketed as TABLETS (by Apple)?

 

not tablet computers....

 

 

I am short on time, but please PM or post here about why you believe an iPad should be considered a computer and i will reply why i believe it does not... and lets please keep it civil :D

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I am short on time, but please PM or post here about why you believe an iPad should be considered a computer and i will reply why i believe it does not... and lets please keep it civil :D

 

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Nice try* with the 'incensing me', by the way. You obviously don't know me, though.

 

*Nope.

 

Oh, and if you want to get pedantic, we'll get pedantic. The iPad is a personal computer. HOW is it a personal computer? Because a subsection of the definition of 'personal computer' is 'tablet personal computer'. As the iPad is a tablet personal computer, as it is a personal computer, it is a computer.

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