Samsung unveils quad-core Galaxy S III with 4.8" AMOLED screen - Page 6

I am very disappointed. One reason. PENTILE SCREEN. They SUCK. I wanted a Droid 4. Then I went to VZW and used one and the screen is all blurry. No waaay. 

 

The funny thing is that while I think the iPhone 4 screen is nice, it looks almost the same as my Droid 2 to me (which has SLCD). Although a little brighter and just a tiny bit sharper. I don't exactly have eagle eyes. But I can see PenTile from feet away, and it is absolute garbage. So many top of the line Android phones have PenTile these days. Maybe I'm unusual in my ability to see it?

 

If it has a hard camera button, AMOLED Plus, 2 gig RAM, or heck just AMOLED Plus and a sliding keyboard...that would be my ideal phone. Ah well. I may get a Note or Note 2 if it ever comes to VZ and if I can hack a qwerty keyboard into a case somehow to use with it. 

 

Samsung, very disappointing. 

Don't be a jerk. You know that I enjoy every Mac product except those that are based on iOS. Yes I'm not a fan of iOS, I find it lacking in features and designed more for your everyday user then someone like me. I like to have control over every aspect of the device. I'm a programmer and a IT specialist with over 25 years of use under my belt. However I like using Apple computers, I buy a new Macbook every time they release an update. Why because I'm a Unix girl, next to Solaris OSX is the best Unix OS there is. That being said I have absolutely no emotional attachment to any of my machines.

 

Unlike a lot of you who worship the ground that Apple headquarters is built upon.  The second OSX starts becoming as locked as IOS and it will mark my words, I will, drop Apple like a bad habit. I am not trolling these forums, I am in a hospital bed and I am dieing. I have breast cancer and I have had pretty much everything that they can remove, removed. I will probably not leave here and and as much as it sounds strange I like debating with some of you. I like reading and posting here.

 

Yes I do sound off a lot of the time but that's because I am on a morphine drip. I still have most of my facilities however. I'm not asking for pity of any kind but I am asking for a little respect. I am a mother of two, VP of internal programing for UBS Zurich, Married for 12 years and have been using Macs since I was 10. I belong here as much as you do and who cares if I find iOS a little on lacking side. The money I've spent on Apple I think I deserve the right to criticize iOS a little.

Edited by Relic - 5/4/12 at 7:51pm

It's not only that it's open it's that it also has many features that are found in a normal OS. Also the freedom to add to the system that was outside the normal scope of things. For instance a Filemanager, or adding more codecs to the base media player. Sure a lot of you say but we don't need those things, fine but if you do it's nice to be able to do it when you do need it. iOS is a very neat and tidy system, with a very strict way of doing things. There is hardly any wiggle room for those who want to tweak or customize, in fact for a lot of us it's a prison. Not saying iOS is a bad thing, for the main stream consumer and business person it's great, they don't need more. For the power user, well it's a little on the constraining side. Please reframe from calling a group of people who choose to use a different OS then you a retard. That's ignorant and distasteful.

Actually it did, about two years before. If it was any good, well that's a different story. Siri is truly amazing but I'm not a fan of talking to my devices. My  Dad uses it though and swears by it.

 

I have never had or will have Malware. It's like anything if you go searching for trouble, trouble will find you. Widgets are very useful, I don't really use the content variety but the ones that control say podcasts or internet radio, quick launchers, custom scripts to launch a VPN, there are tons of great things you can do.

No you don't an on screen home button is just as good.

That's exactly what you do when you use the phone.
Like that desktop OS cursor that appears. A perfectly reasonable thing for a touchbased OS¡

It's absolutely insane (I mean that literally) that one would think that features of a desktop OS make perfect sense without regard for the I/O. There is a reason Windows never worked on tablets for the 2 decades they existed before the iPad came to market.

PS: You've been using Internet forums long enough to understand how to use the multiquote button.

 

No, not in the slightest. What do you plan to do when the software locks up? Sit there and wait for your battery to die?

QFT

I have a feeling Relic's original complain against the iPhone was that a software keyboard wasn't as good as a hardware keyboard.

Oh that's right iOS takes over the entire screen. Android always displays the virtual buttons and it runs outside the scope of the application. You can hide them but their always present. The entire system would have to freeze up for the on screen buttons not to work.

Actually I hated all phones that didn't have a real keyboard until I got an iPhone. Before Apple, I always used a Nokia Communicator then RIM Blackberry's. I only recently moved on to Android when my company got me a Note.

And THERE it is, ladies and gentlemen, the cheap shot at iOS that she ALWAYS takes in EVERY conversation. It's as though she's programmed to never be civil.

 

And for the record, not "taking over the entire screen" is idiotic. Because not all versions of Android do that, so devs not only have to build for different resolutions and screen ratios, they have to build for magical software buttons that aren't always there.

 

 

Notice how much your hand position had to shift to use different parts of the phone. I can use my iPhone without having to shift it at all.

 

Besides, what you fail to realize is that it's not a 'one size fits all' situation. Everyone has their own needs and wants and will choose the phone that works better for them. And the facts are that the percentage of phones purchased with a 4.5" and up screen is relatively small.

Actually I didn't mean anything by it, iOS apps do take over the entire space because there is a hardware button. I was truly being civil. And the Android on screen buttons are always, always visible unless you the user change it to hide. Oh and I think you are the one blowing this way out of proportion. I have written many programs for Android, it's been long time since you had to dictate any specific resolution, since 2.3, most/all programmers now write there programs to have scalable resolutions. How do you think the Samsung SII (800x600), SIII(1280x720) and Note(1280x800) which have completely different resolutions can display every single software in the Google Market without any problems or pixelation. There are no magic buttons that need to be programmed in to each app, that is just silly, the desktop button, go back one button and menu button, let it be hardware or on screen based can always, always, always be reached from any app, their is global UI class that runs them.

Edited by Relic - 5/5/12 at 9:36am

 

Okay, from what version on, then? I admit I haven't kept up on playing with the newest versions recently, but that wasn't the case in 3.0, at least. Or whatever Gingerbread was supposed to be.

Gingerbread was 2.3x

One recent study from Strategy Analytics says 90% of current smartphone owners want a larger screened device than they currently have (as long as they're still thin), with the sweet spot being 4-4.5".

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategy-analytics-smartphone-owners-demand-larger-displays-2012-03-14

 

http://************/2012/03/14/study-smartphone-owners-demand-bigger-screens-prefer-4-inches/

 

EDIT: Seems AI isn't allowing links to 9to5Mac? Tried a couple of times, but get asterisks replacing 9to5mac. ???

Edited by Gatorguy - 5/5/12 at 9:40am

You are acting like no one here has any android experiance. The entire OS freezing and needing to have the battery pulled out is the status quo for android. No point in stating otherwise because I know this to be true all too well.

 

Then you haven't been buying the right phones, I have never had to remove a battery to restart my phone, ever! A stable system is very easy to obtain in Android, only use apps that are well programmed, easy to find when you read reviews. Never visit shady sites to obtain free software and don't install tweak software.

 

Like Windows when you buy a cheap device to run the system it will not run properly as many manufactures cut corners and don't care about optimizing the OS. I guarantee if you bought a Samsung Galaxy S2 which is now very reasonable to purchase you will have a very stable system.

 

I run a custom ROM based off of CM9 with a kernel that I optimized and even running this system that is very far from stock I have a very stable system, it's even been overclocked from 1.4GHZ to 1.7GHZ. Which phone did you own, was it made in the last two years.

 

The iPhone is a no brainer purchase because you know what your getting. Android phones unfortunately are mostly crap, about 3/4 of them. However, if you do your research, visit the corporate help sites, you will find a phone that rivals the iPhone and may even surpass it. This is kind of geeky but I have been testing Ubuntu's new mobile OS, it turns your phone into a desktop system. It works, it's very quick, I can run my development software on it and even a full version of OpenOffice. I just insert my Note into it's cradle that's connected to a 22" monitor via HDMI and keyboard and mouse via bluetooth. This is why I like owning Android phones, their opened, I can make them into the system that I want. Not to mention that they are a blast to own, to customize, to push them to do things that are not possible on other systems. 

 

iOS is a beautiful, stable, boring, closed OS. You must follow the Apple way or the highway. So far from what OSX gave me, I have a powerful Unix terminal with all of my nix stuff and I am still able to run all of the normal desktop applications. I don't hate iOS I just cant do half of the things I can do with the Android system, things I want to do and yes they are very far from the normal scope of usage.

I assume a URL shortener would resolve that. I doubt their filter will look at long URL destination before submitting your post.

 

This is the first I've seen or heard of it.  I asked in the moderator forum, hopefully I'll hear back on it.  I requested they don't do that.  It's a competing site, but I think it's unnecessary.

 

 

For the time being, it should get around the problem.  The problem is I tend to refrain from clicking shortened URLs, I imagine other people are leery of it too.

Gee. That means that almost half of the phones have whatever feature you were talking about. Inability to upgrade Android phones is well documented.

Let's see - who to believe?
- An unknown market research company who does some kind of survey with unknown methodology and unknown sample
or
- The fact that the #1, #2, and #3 phones in the world last year were 3.5" - and the top two still are.

Sorry, but I'll go with what people are actually buying.

I think it's also worth pointing out that even actual Android fans are panning this phone.

Meanwhile, the iPhone gets criticized more by people who don't even use one. Look at the fake reviews 'I'm a zzz' did for the iPhone (see 'Recent Reviews' below). I don't believe for a minute that he's got either of those phones, much less both.

I can understand why a fan of a product would post comments about a product they like on a fan site for that product like AI.

I can understand why someone who has actually used a product would post reasonable comments on a fan site for that product.

What I can't understand is what kind of mental illness would make someone spend countless hours on a fan site when they don't like a product, never used a product and are happy to admit that there's no way in the world they'd ever use a product. They have some unreasonable, unfounded hatred for the company or its products and spew endless venom on fan sites for that product - just out of spite. Yet there are a number of people who fit that bill here.

Unless they're being paid for spreading their FUD, they really need to seek professional help.

I think we'd rather have real links than URL shorteners. We're looking into the censoring problem now and we'll certainly fix it, but I think it's going to come out that URL shortening sites will be censored while all real URLs will be allowed.

Sounds reasonable.

Off topic: One thing that I'm surprised we haven't seen with internet forums are award-based posting abilities. IOW, as you participate on a site your trust on that site starts to grow. With this you get options for using certain markup text, adding images or videos, et al. It could also be used to give you badges (like in FourSquare) that would further encourage more users to post and to post in responsible ways that would benefit the site in every sense. For instance, those that get x-many posts recommended as helpful would get t Thumbs Up badge and with so many certain badges you could get a reqard like full HTML markup instead of limited BB Code Edit markup.

They may be unknown to you, and not unsurprisingly. There's no reason you would have had to use them. As an mobile and automotive industry research source they're pretty well known and oft-quoted. I've read their reports before via press releases or while doing research on LBS business and issues. 

Edited by Gatorguy - 5/5/12 at 4:17pm

We've tried that with one of the forums I moderate, giving trusted posters a special icon alongside their name. They're also the only ones we allow to still PM other members, and live-links to internet retailers are somewhat tolerated from them (as long as no affiliate link), tho still not encouraged. We even have a special "experts" area restricted to trusted members.

 

EDIT: I just read an article that may explain the reason behind the design changes with this Samsung Galaxy compared to the last two. Is it a phone designed by lawyers?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/05/04/the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-the-first-smartphone-designed-entirely-by-lawyers/

Edited by Gatorguy - 5/5/12 at 4:35pm

As usual, you've managed to miss the point.

You have a market research firm saying that most customers prefer larger phones - yet the majority are buying smaller phones. The 4.5" and up phones are only about 10-20% of the market, IIRC. Given the fact that only a minority are buying the large phones, why should we believe that market research firm?

That's not was was said in the first place. The survey results offered that buyers would prefer a larger screen on their next smartphone. Since Apple doesn't offer one any larger then Apple buyers don't have a choice of a larger display. Given the choice I have little doubt that most would appreciate one closer to 4" (or larger). Changing the argument to something that suits you better doesn't invalidate the claim made by Strategy Analytics.

Since those people have not switched from the iPhone, and Apple's retention rate is sky high (far higher than Android), your 'logic' doesn't work. If those people thought that a larger phone was important, they would be buying something else.

They're not.

You're not making any sense. I don't think even you believe your attempt at a a reasoned discussion. You're simply being a contrary little guy for whatever reason. 

Good ideas!

The irony meter just went off the scale.

Gotcha Jr. You truly believe that Apple owners not ditching iPhones for a larger-screened Android device is proof they don't want a larger screen. What rule of logic are you using? I'm truly curious how you convinced yourself. Perhaps simple proof by hubris?

I never said that they didn't want a larger screen.

What I said was that the evidence is clear that when given a choice between phones, people are more often not choosing these huge screens - and that's true of Android as well as iOS. I'm not going to get into the reasons why because different people probably have different reasons, but the fact is that 4.5" and larger phones only make up a small portion of the market. So everyone whining that Apple can't be successful unless they increase the size of their phone is arguing against known facts.

Personally, I don't think screen size matters. I think the real issue is phone size. If Apple can increase the screen size without increasing the phone size much, it is very possible that they might do so. It looks to me like they could increase screen size by about 15" (to around 4" without making the phone any larger and that wouldn't surpass me in the least.

Originally Posted by Gatorguy 

One recent study from Strategy Analytics says 90% of current smartphone owners want a larger screened device than they currently have (as long as they're still thin), with the sweet spot being 4-4.5".

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategy-analytics-smartphone-owners-demand-larger-displays-2012-03-14

So there was no point in your original reply then.

Of course there was.

Let's see if I can put this into language that's simple enough for you.

1. People have a choice of smart phones today.
2. Many of the smartphones on the market are over 4.5"
3. If people overwhelmingly want smartphones over 4.5", they have quite a few to choose from.
4. People are not choosing the smartphones over 4.5".

Therefore, either the statement that people want larger phones is wrong or they are choosing their phones based on something other than size - and the size is not an important factor. If the latter is the case, then there's no need for Apple to introduce a 4.5"+ phone.

The evidence is that people are not buying many phones larger than 4.5", so the claim that Apple needs a phone that size to stay competitive is bull.

Maybe you're not a shill, after all. I can't imagine how much Google would have to pay you to make you act so incredibly foolish.

I'll keep the words really simple. Didn't you read the article? If so then your post is an obvious strawman argument rather than just ignorance of what was written.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/strategy-analytics-smartphone-owners-demand-larger-displays-2012-03-14

 

It didn't comment on larger than 4.5" displays so why mention it in conjunction with Strategy Analytics? Nor did the article claim that the most important consumer feature was display size. It was an informational post by a well-regarded analytics firm that you have offered no evidence to refute, simple as that. There's no reason to blather on about something that in essence you've already agreed with by making it into something it wasn't.

 

A larger display wouldn't be rejected by iPhone owners and actually preferred by most based on all existing survey data that I've seen, which includes the SA article. If you have evidence otherwise I'd love to have your links for it.

Edited by Gatorguy - 5/6/12 at 8:10am

It is entirely possible that some users would want a slightly larger phone. I'm sure most people would like a less expensive phone, too. Or a phone with more storage at the same price. But they're still buying iPhones, so those desires are not important enough to affect the purchase decision. Heck, if you ask people if they would prefer for their new phone to have ten $100 bills in the box, I'm sure they'd agree.

My point (that you keep consistently ignoring) is:

1. It's obviously not a major preference - certainly not enough to affect purchasing preference. If people wanted a larger phone badly enough, there are plenty to buy - and they're not doing so.
2. Even if they want a larger phone, there's a clear limit. These 4.5"+ phones are not very successful in the marketplace compared to smaller phones.
3. The argument that Apple MUST introduce a larger phone therefore has no basis in reality.

Except for the iPhone, every current best-selling smartphone at every major US carrier has a 4" or larger display. Some people apparently want a 4" or larger display bad enough to buy one since they're doing so.

http://www.vision2mobile.com/galleries/2012/04/v2m-march-hottest-selling-smartphones.aspx?pg=2

Edited by Gatorguy - 5/6/12 at 9:07am