You mean like Notification Center? The part in NC where you have to hit a tiny little "x" to clear notifications instead of the swipe to get a delete notification like the rest of the entire OS? You like having to swipe to open the phone, tap your camera icon (and move around the pages if it's not on the front page) and then take a picture? Because jailbroken phones were the first ones to have the camera on the lockscreen. You like having alerts you can access from the lockscreen by swiping across individual apps? Came from jailbreaking, almost copied the jailbroken app exactly as well. Apple has both borrowed heavily from jailbreakers and outright stolen features to improve iOS and every time a major update comes out and everyone loves them for all the awesome features "they got right rather than first." iOS is absolutely amazing, but it has glaring flaws and serious shortcomings that jailbreaking has fixed and in some cases had the fix/improvement for years.

 

And that's all I'm talking about doing with my iPhone.  Changing the appearance and functionality.    Apple still controls the OS from a top level, the apps I use just do things with the device that Apple frowns upon.  

Have you used them? No? Didn't think so.

 

I really wish this update would fix that stupid "x" in the app sections in Notification Center. Completely screwed up system and completely unlike the rest of the entire OS. Nowhere else is that "x" used and having apps swipe to reply on the lockscreen and not swipe to delete in NC is completely weird. Not to mention that it's pretty difficult sometimes to hit it correctly and get it hit twice to clear notifications. Maybe it iOS 6. :/

You're completely free to do all that, but please stop. I agree with trying apps out, not near enough have a trial app to see if the app even works, but if you like the apps please pay for them. Jailbreaking isn't just about you getting free apps, it's about the rest of us enjoying very useful changes to make iOS better. I'm not going to call you a thief, you're free to do what you want, but you getting apps for free doesn't just affect those devs; it affects all jailbreakers.

 

Yes, I certainly have a history of that. That's obviously true. I can't possibly counter this argument.

 

 

I've been jailbreaking since before it was given that name, son. Best be joking about your entire post.

 

 

Do you think you'll be welcomed into any conversation at this point? 

 

OK, you're gonna have to help me here. Who precisely ridicules 'jailbreaker types'? I'm keen to know, because this is the first time I've ever been ridiculed for being a 'jailbreaker type'. Why would you ridicule someone because they modified the software on a mobile phone? I just don't get it. 

 

If I believed the world was flat, then that would be worthy of ridicule. But... jailbreaking a phone?! I promise you that 99.9% of the population doesn't give a damn whether you've jailbroken your phone or not. If you seriously believe that jailbreaking is an issue which attracts mass 'ridicule', then you urgently need to step outside the circles you move in and countenance opinions other than your own.

 

I'm not sure how else to respond. I find that comment absurd on an enormous, risible scale. 

 

 

 

I assure you that you have to do nothing to maintain a jailbreak, other than ensure that you don't install any iOS updates. I get the strong impression that you have never jailbroken anything, and are talking about something which you don't understand particularly well.

 

 

 

Did you even read my post? I directly stated in my post that Apple is known for producing intuitive software. I suggested that one feature is not intuitive, and that this is at odds with Apple software as a whole. Why are you defending Apple against accusations I'm not even making?

 

I find your post as a whole somewhat concerning. How on earth can somebody get so riled over such an inoffensive issue as jailbreaking an iPhone? I can almost feel your anger. It's a phone, for goodness' sake! You're acting like I insulted your girlfriend or something.

Edited by Euphonious - 5/7/12 at 1:32pm

I think the problem that jailbreaking was exasperated by the media and fandroid community.  Whenever there was a blitz about certain compromises on an iPhone, everyone jumped on it as Apple's fault.  Of course, no one failed to mention the little fine-print at the bottom that the security breach was on a jailbroken iPhone.

I'm personally not a fan of jailbreaking.  Of my friends that have done that to theirs, I used it and quickly get frustrated at it.  They modify it so much that it does away with the ease-of-use of Apple's implementation.  Sure, it's customized to how they want to use it, but then no one else can really use it.  May as well be an Android phone.  However, that was a couple years ago.  I haven't come across one iPhone that has been jailbroken.  Most (not all) of the deficiencies have been addressed that they don't feel the need to do it, plus Apple doesn't necessarily help when the next iOS update disables that function.  Too many headaches.

I'm an administrator of a big Windows AD network and of course, I tailor the machines to do only what is necessary including removing certain abilities and the "start" button.  However, it still has the look-and-feel in general of Windows and new hires can still sit down in front of one and know how and where the necessary functions are.  That's my point of Microsoft making the UI consistent.  No more "skins".

BTW it isn't just the android apps which spy, it's android itself which is spyware. After all why else would spying Google even develop and give away android.

 

As for other IOS Web browsers, I've tried several.   IMO non equal Safari in function, but I very occasionally use a few others when I want to keep Safari's Web position.

I could jailbreak if I wanted to and I appreciate some needing to, but I've had no significant need to.  I'm not going to put in the effort for something like one more dock app, when I usually have 8+ apps active.

 

Fair enough.  It works for me, doesn't work for you.  Plus I just enjoy doing it.  I'm a tinkerer.  I tinker.  

 

I largely agree. The problem is that most jailbreak software makes little effort to conform with Apple's UI standards and doesn't come close to the ease-of-use of Apple's UI. That's why I only use jailbreak tools which fit in with the base OS reasonably well.

Grrr...

For those wondering, this doesn't appear to fix the intermittently fluctuating wifi issue for the small number of new iPad users affected by it.

Damn.

I had to jailbreak my old iPhone 4 because the phone thought it was in silent mode regardless of positioning of the left switch.  It wasn't because of a headphone in/out issue.  It wasn't dirt.  I restored it to original settings.  I plugged in headphones 100 times.  I took the phone completely apart and cleaned it and all connectors.  It just flat out thought it was in silent mode- No restore (software) or hardware (cleaning) problem I could diagnose.

 

Enter jail breaking, SBSettings, and then I can turn it to silent mode or off without flipping the switch.  Now I don't have a silent iPhone.  I don't jailbreak my current phone, but thanks to the community for providing services like that.

 

I love when this tired 'line' is brought up, and is enough evidence that whoever is spouting it is a troll. You do realize that every single damn company allows you to use their product only in so far as they dictate, right? What the hell does that even mean? You're using the product that the company designed, you can say that you prefer A over B, but this 'they should let us use it the way we want' is such meaningless horse-shit. Because Android might have another method of doing something, that doesn't mean that they didn't dictate that method also. Maybe Apple should allow sideloading so that users can use their phones 'the way they want' (ie. pirate all their apps) like with Android, a dismal situation where devs can't make any damn money on anything, bc Android users refuse to pay for anything, and have to resort to ad supported apps only, or not even bother to port their app at all. 

 

 

Works out for everyone, doesn't it? 

Edited by Slurpy - 5/7/12 at 2:36pm

Is the update safe? Any issues? Broken apps, lost data etc?

Anyone in this thread on topic who has updated yet?

Updated both my iPhone 4S and my new iPad. All is fine.

 

I wouldn't exactly say that it's 'trolling'. It's expressing an opinion. Some people prefer more openness. Some people prefer less.

 

It's not 'trolling' where somebody expresses an opinion which contradicts yours.

LOL, no, theft is the cellular charges per month and many MB/GB that go unused despite my plan because we are hamstrung by software limitations on what we can do.  

 

JB sets us free to use our devices and fully utilize the data we are paying for! 

 

 

 

Jailbreakers ruin  it for the entire iOS community.  There are devs who would otherwise make great software, but because they don't want to lose money, they don't.  Jailbreakers cause this.

 

I'm not sure about that. iOS is a very profitable platform. It's vastly more profitable than all competing mobile platforms, jailbreaking or no jailbreaking. If you're a mobile developer, ignoring iOS software is like signing your own death warrant.

 

Can you give me a single concrete example of a decent developer who shied away from developing on iOS because of jailbreaking?

 

You're also making the mistake of assuming that everybody jailbreaks to steal apps, which isn't true. (And while we're at it, what about the developers who are making money from jailbreak apps, which they otherwise wouldn't be able to sell?)

Edited by Euphonious - 5/7/12 at 2:43pm

I notice ZDnet has the usual headline they use for EVERY Apple update:-

 

"Apple patches serious security holes in iOS devices"

 

Do they run one every week when Microsoft does the same? 

 

Nope.

 

I think they reserve a form letter for Apple updates that automatically writes the article.

 

I believe it appeals to their Windows centric audience, who long for Apple to falter and make do with meaningless "I told you so" condolences.

It doesn't matter if EVERYBODY jailbreaks to steal apps. Some people do - and some of them are right here in this forum.

The fact that iOS is more profitable than other platforms is not a useful piece of information in this regard. That is an average. Some people earn less, some earn more. If there were no stolen apps, total revenues would probably be higher. It is entirely plausible that some developer who gave up on the platform would have stayed around with a bit more revenue.

 

But why does that make jailbreaking wrong? It's the stealing of apps which is wrong, not the jailbreaking itself! 

 

Jailbreaking is a morally neutral act. Saying that jailbreaking is wrong because it allows some people to steal apps is like saying that making knives is wrong, because some people use knives to stab people.

 

So, if Apple integrates a feature into an OS update that's widely requested, which happens to be available in some form on a jailbroken device, then Apple has 'outright stolen' it and is a thief. If Apple does not implement said features, they 'continue to completely ignore'. So whatever the hell Apple does, these are the only 2 ways you've decided to define their actions. You can always tell when someone is imbalanced, irrational and a troll, when they make such ridiculous assertions. There's thousands and thousands of apps available in cydia, etc. Chances are, whatever improvements Apple makes and whatever features they add, someone, somewhere, will have done something roughly similar, even if they did it an shitty way and implemented it poorly. Yet, in your view there's nothing that Apple can do that can please you. They either obviously stole the feature, or ignore it, two things that are extremely negative. This mentality makes sense to you? And you honestly think Apple's development priorities and procedures involve sifting through cydia, etc, rubbing their hands in an evil way, and choosing what to 'steal', not that whatever features they implement are logical and expected progressions? Unbelievable. 

Apple could buy the app from the developer and integrate it to the OS vs stealing it from the devs.

It may violate your contract but it is decidedly not "theft". You are using data that you paid for, no more no less. You are not stealing anything from the carrier and it does not diminish them in any way. The only thing you do by tethering without a plan is deny the carrier money for providing you absolutely nothing. No moral quandry here whatsoever.

Let's see if I understand your position.

Your carrier tells you the terms of service. You sign up for the service agreeing to the terms. So if the carrier abides by the terms, it's theft? And if you break the terms and take a service that you didn't pay for it's not?

Seems to me that you have it exactly backwards.


Where did I claim that jail breaking itself was wrong?

It seems to me that if you're stealing apps (by way of jail breaking), it's wrong.

If you're using jail breaking to take services that you didn't pay for, it's wrong.

If you jailbreak your phone and then have a problem and then try to get Apple to fix the problem you created, it's wrong.

If you jailbreak your phone and have a security problem but go around blaming Apple, it's wrong.

I don't believe I ever said that jail breaking itself was wrong, though.

 

You're right - you didn't. It was Zither Zather Zuzz who implied that. Should have aimed my post at him - sorry about that.

Settings -> Wi-Fi -> Off

 

That was really hard.

 

This has already been discussed multiple times in the thread.

 

Nobody ever said that it was 'hard' - just that there is a much quicker and easier way to do it when jailbroken. It's not 'hard', just unnecessarily long-winded, and the jailbreak app fixes that issue.

 

If three taps is 'long-winded', then screw this society. I don't want to be a member of it anymore. I remember when people were raised to understand that work begets success and deserves compliment. Everything isn't just to be handed to us out of some misshapen view on rights.

 

"What does that have to do with this?" you say. "You're being incredibly melodramatic, I think."

Take into account the mindset behind this view, and you'll see the complaints are merely an extension of it. The silver platter needs to be swiftly taken away.

 

 

 

You are absolutely right HKZ, somebody drinks way too much Apple kool aid!    

 

Let me get this right... your argument against a quicker way of turning off wi-fi is that people just have too strong a sense of entitlement, and the current method is fine because it reflects the fact that people should have to work for things they want? Do you apply that philosophy to all computer programs? Should developers refrain from giving users the straightforward methods of doing things which they ask for, so the users can really feel like they worked to produce that spreadsheet or write that code?

 

This seems to be overcomplicating the situation enormously. It's very simple. Apple offers a way to switch off wi-fi. There is a jailbreak method which is quicker and more convenient. Therefore, some people prefer to use the quicker way. Which part of that is so hard to accept? Why can't you just look at the situation dispassionately and accept that some people see the jailbreak method as more convenient - rather than finding increasingly creative ways to defend the Apple solution? Apple is perfectly capable of writing software which is inferior to third-party alternatives, you know.

 

When I made my initial throwaway comment on jailbreaking, I'd never have thought that it would spawn a 75-post discussion. The idea that so many people are fervently opposed to a legal, morally neutral way of using the hardware which I paid for makes no sense to me at all. It is a user's choice - nothing more. The lengths to which some people will go to defend the work of a multinational corporation are truly extraordinary.

Edited by Euphonious - 5/7/12 at 5:02pm

It's funny how many people assume jail-breaking is only related to applications or UI tweaks and pirating. There are many other reasons to JB that have nothing to do with iOS or apps.

 

I do not want to JB my iP4 but I have to in Japan because the carriers here like Softbank make you sign separate contracts for iDevices. Why the F--- would I pay ¥10,000 for iPhone data + ¥5,000 for iPad data when my iPhone plan is unlimited in the first place? Ridiculous!

 

On top of that carriers here don't let you mute the camera shutter because there are so many creeps in Japan that the carriers are afraid those creeps will use the cameras unscrupulously (up-skirt photos on elevators etc). When you're taking semi private/candid photos at restaurants and other places where you don't want to be noticed the shutter is quite annoying.

 

These are limitations set by the carriers and have nothing to do with Apple and/or applications. Thanks to the JB community I can tether my iPad to my iPhone and mute my camera shutter like I should be able to. 

 

Message to those people. STFU.

Piracy is a huge problem in the jailbreak community and here is the evidence to prove it

 

Jeff Benjamin, May 7, 2012

 

 

I’m not trying to pile on after my post about i0n1c, but my friend and iOS developerFilippo Bigarella just posted some stunning evidence as to how bad piracy is within the community.

Bigarella is the mind behind such tweaks as Springtomize 2 and CleverPin, and he’s clearly one of the most talented and dedicated developers in the community. Hence, it’s sad to learn that his hard work is taken for granted by so many people. His latest tweak, Springtomize 2, has an audacious 92% piracy rate!

And you wonder why people like i0n1c point to the piracy problem within the community?

Everyone knows that piracy is an issue, but I’m not sure anyone but the developers knew the extent of the issue. Out of almost 200,000 installs there is a 92% piracy rate. That’s staggering. It’s shocking, and it’s pretty ridiculous.

Granted there aren’t any numbers yet that show how many pirated users converted to legit versions of the tweak, but even if it’s a decent percentage, it’s still just a drop in the bucket when compared to the total piracy rate.

The sad thing is is that this isn’t an isolated case. The developers of other apps and tweaks such as FullScreen for Safari and LockInfo vouch for Bigarella’s statistics.

The ironic thing about all of this is that people are pirating the work of ones who are a big part of the same community. If they have such little regard for folks on the “same side” so to speak, then how much worse are jailbreakers overall when it comes to App Store piracy? I shudder to think of the numbers.

For the record I know loads of people who don’t pirate, and who legitimately pay for their apps and tweaks. I genuinely enjoy being able to customize my device and I gladly pay for every tweak or app that I don’t happen to receive a review copy of. But folks, as a whole, it’s really hard to argue against these numbers. It’s a shame, and for that reason jailbreaking will always have a black eye.

I know this post isn’t going to change anyone’s moral stance on the issue, but I thought that everyone should be aware of these crazy numbers. I’m not judging anyone in particular, as what you decide to do with your device is your decision. That being said, you can’t hate on folks like i0n1c who call out the community for being the way it is.

What do you think?

 

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/05/07/piracy-huge-problem-jailbreak/

Well I guess we're all just waiting for OS X without the DEBUG code.  DoH!

 

This is an outlier though, right? This can't be the norm.

How does one sync the Reading List? I never managed doing that?

Now that I have your attention, it is important to recognize that the iPhone is amazing, magical but the iPhone does not do everything everyone would like the phone to do which is in many ways a good thing.

 

I would like to see a compromise for the jailbreak community:

 

• Gatekeeper for iOS
• Location Profiles (using geofencing to apply Settings based upon my location, for example:  Home; Bluetooth Off, Wi-Fi On)
• Siri API for Settings (3G data, 4G data, Airplane Mode, Bluetooth, Notifications, Wi-Fi, etc. which has the side benefit of improving Siri usage)
• Siri APIs (more capabilities including the functions Siri had originally which were almost all removed)
• Settings in the Notifications Center
• FaceTime on 4G (this would greatly upset telecommunications companies though)
• Select Default Apps (Mail client, Maps/Navigation client, SMS/MMS/IM client, Web Browser)
• AirDrop (share contacts, files, media, notes, reminders, etc.)

 

Gatekeeper for iOS should default to "Allow applications downloaded from: App Store."

 

 

For those who would like to make a feature request, the Apple feedback site for iPhone is http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html