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In its bid for a slice of the growing cloud computing market, Microsoft recently launched a webpage advertising the company's SkyDrive cross-platform document storage and sharing solution by highlighting the advantages it has over Apple's iCloud.

The page (via The Next Web), titled "iCloud not enough? Try SkyDrive," points out that SkyDrive offers features not included in iCloud like collaborative document editing, note sharing and cross-platform accessibility.

A featured video, encoded in Microsoft's proprietary Silverlight format and thus not viewable on iOS devices, points out that SkyDrive users can access files on any device, while iCloud is currently limited to certain documents created in iWorks and files from third party apps that make use of Apple's API.

iCloud's implementation of document access and sharing is cumbersome when compared to other iOS-centric services like Contact and Calendar updates, and Microsoft Office files can be even more challenging to work with. SkyDrive expectedly handles the latter much more seamlessly by using a simple drag-and-drop UI that works between operating systems or the SkyDrive web app.

Like Google's recently-released Google Drive, Microsoft's service also allows for file sharing and collaboration, though only Office documents are supported at this time. The system is basically Microsoft's version of the Google Docs collection of web apps with expanded standalone desktop application integration.

Finally, SkyDrive boasts a note-sharing feature that is passed through Microsoft's service or the popular app OneNote. The webpage points out that while notes can be synced and accessed across devices with iCloud, the service lacks the ability to share your notes and to-dos.

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Microsoft's iCloud-targeted SkyDrive webpage video can't be viewed on iDevices. | Source: Microsoft


SkyDrive, initially the codename of Windows Live Folders, has gone through numerous upgrades since its launch in 2007. Most recently the service added mobile apps for iOS and Windows Phone devices in December 2011.

It remains to be seen whether Microsoft can draw any users from iCloud as Apple's service is the de facto standard for iDevices.

During Apple's second quarter 2012 earnings call in April, it was announced that the number of iCloud users had swelled to over 125 million, up from 85 million in January.
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Where's the legally required disclaimer at the bottom of the page that says iCloud is a trademark of Apple Inc.?

And no, that's not my only complaint with this page of theirs. lol.gif

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Try the following on an iPad:

1) Visit that Microsoft web page.
2) Scroll to the bottom and notice the iPad screenshot, which clearly shows they are targeting iPad owners with SkyDrive.
3) Now scroll back to the too of that page and note that you cannot watch the video on your iPad! What the heck?!

Clearly, this is evidence of what you're going to get (or rather, what you won't be getting) if you sign up for SkyDrive.

All said, I myself see no reason to abandon DropBox for this.
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That page requires Microsoft's Silverlight. It already failed.

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Curious. I sync Notes across devices via the Cloud. Where do they get that claim from?

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That page requires Microsoft's Silverlight.

 

For what?

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post #7 of 86

Wow, that video really lacks polish.

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Crappy ripoff of Apple marketing

Love how they tried to target us Apple fans with the white background driving music, simple etc. but did it in a dorky Microsoft way.

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Just be aware that you may need to rename your files if you've used characters that Windows doesn't like. For example, it won't let you use "report 3/1/07" or "June 2007 P&L".

So much for 'cross-platform compatibility'.
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Just be aware that you may need to rename your files if you've used characters that Windows doesn't like. For example, it won't let you use "report 3/1/07" or "June 2007 P&L".
So much for 'cross-platform compatibility'.


Wait, you can't type an ampersand in Windows? Ha! What happens if you view an HFS+… ah, I'll just check it myself. 

 

Can you type colons in Windows file names?

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post #12 of 86

That is one no budget video.

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I found Dolphin HD to work the best if your interested.

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Love how they tried to target us Apple fans with the white background driving music, simple etc. but did it in a dorky Microsoft way.

 

Um normally I would agree that a lot if sites copy Apple but Micosoft, no. Their site looks like a, well Microsoft site.

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The only thing SkyDrive can do on iOS is give you access to your stored files and upload photos. So I'm a tad confused as to what Microsoft is trying to entice iOS users towards. And because iCloud isn't on other platforms, the only reason iCloud isn't enough is because those users don't have access to it.

I'm sure that one could argue that SkyDrive competes just a little bit with iCloud on OSX, but Microsoft's focus seems to be on both OSX and iOS devices.

So what is Microsoft trying to accomplish? It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.
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Free stuff may as well use it.

 

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I found Dolphin HD to work the best if your interested.

 

That's on an iPad, how do you get it on an iPhone?

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For what?

 

Yea I don't know either I've had a Skydrive account since it's introduction and use it daily with Safari so I don't know what he's talking about. Even the online web apps like MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint work great. Which by the way is the main reason why everyone should have a Skydrive account, forget the storage everyone has that but no one does an online word processor like Microsoft.


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I don't really get why MS is targeting iCloud. Skydrive and iCloud don't really seem to be competitors. iCloud makes sense for people who have invested in the Apple ecosystem. If you have, then Skydrive won't be as useful for you; if you haven't, then you're probably not using iCloud anyway.

 

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Wait, you can't type an ampersand in Windows? Ha! What happens if you view an HFS+… ah, I'll just check it myself. 

 

Can you type colons in Windows file names?

 

You can use an ampersand in a Windows file name - but Dropbox wouldn't let me sync a file between Windows and Mac with an ampersand in it, either. 

 

You can't use a colon at all. The following characters are not allowed in a Windows file name: \ / : * ? " < > |

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The only thing SkyDrive can do on iOS is give you access to your stored files and upload photos. So I'm a tad confused as to what Microsoft is trying to entice iOS users towards. And because iCloud isn't on other platforms, the only reason iCloud isn't enough is because those users don't have access to it.
I'm sure that one could argue that SkyDrive competes just a little bit with iCloud on OSX, but Microsoft's focus seems to be on both OSX and iOS devices.
So what is Microsoft trying to accomplish? It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.

The bolded sentence is incorrect. iCloud is supported on PCs:
http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/
The capabilities are somewhat limited (obviously, since Address Book doesn't work on Windows, it can't sync Address Book, but iCloud is supported at some level.
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iCloud is plainly focused on OSX and iLife users with iOS devices too. MS is totally wasting its time targeting that market. the one and only useful thing MS has to offer OSX and iOS users is the Office suite - except there is no Office iOS app (yet). and all the iOS app Office alternatives have their own cloud sync.

 

as usual, MS is a day late and a dollar short.

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That is one no budget video.

 

 

Lousy video.  Great Cloud service.  Take your pick as to which is more important.

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Why would I want to do business with Microsoft when the very reason why I bought an Apple product is to NOT have to buy a Microsoft product?   We aren't stoopid Microsoft.  It's just Microsoft's way to sucker us into Microsoft because it gives them an ability to make some money because that's about the only way they might be able to.  I am actually starting to feel sorry for them...................  NOT!

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It's just Microsoft's way to sucker us into Microsoft because it gives them an ability to make some money 

 

So what you're saying is - a business is trying to persuade you to use its product so that the company makes money.

 

It's not exactly an outrageous proposition, is it?

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That page requires Microsoft's Silverlight. It already failed.

 

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Try the following on an iPad:
Now scroll back to the too of that page and note that you cannot watch the video on your iPad! What the heck?!
 

The mp4 itself is completely hosed as well as the page requiring Silverlight. Also they are using some proprietary attributes within the video tag.

 

[code] ms.exid="html5player" ms.cid="841167" ms.cver="10" hasclicktoplay="1"[/code]

 

The mp4 will play in Quicktime 7 but cannot be saved, exported or imported into FCP or iMovie and gives an error of 'incorrect timing detected'.

 

You'd think as much as they are targeting iOS users they would make it compatible with conditional code for Mobile Safari.

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The only thing SkyDrive can do on iOS is give you access to your stored files and upload photos. So I'm a tad confused as to what Microsoft is trying to entice iOS users towards. And because iCloud isn't on other platforms, the only reason iCloud isn't enough is because those users don't have access to it.
I'm sure that one could argue that SkyDrive competes just a little bit with iCloud on OSX, but Microsoft's focus seems to be on both OSX and iOS devices.
So what is Microsoft trying to accomplish? It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.

 

The online Office apps are the only reason you need. There fantastic, good enough to use as your main word processor. Plus the upload and download speeds are much faster not to mention you can upload larger files with the free service then you can with Dropbox. Skydrive is actually a pretty fantastic service and there is no reason to at least try it out. It's free by the way. Just try the Office apps and you'll see. I was using  Apple Pages but since I got Skydrive I haven't touched it.

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Why would I want to do business with Microsoft when the very reason why I bought an Apple product is to NOT have to buy a Microsoft product?   We aren't stoopid Microsoft.  It's just Microsoft's way to sucker us into Microsoft because it gives them an ability to make some money because that's about the only way they might be able to.  I am actually starting to feel sorry for them...................  NOT!

 

not everyone brought an apple product because they hate microsoft. 

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the very reason why I bought an Apple product is to NOT have to buy a Microsoft product? 

 

 

Wow.  That's one ringing endorsement of Apple.  Not.

 

I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products.  But never that one.

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I was using OneNote on SkyDrive instead of Evernote.  One night I was using it and had written a LOT of carefully formatted notes.  I kept referring back to what I had written throughout the evening and the notes were definitely "there".

 

The next morning I went back to read and update those notes further and they were gone.  They just vanished.  A whole evening of work was lost.

 

So I switched to Evernote and never looked back.

 

If I could only find a Mac-based equivalent for MS Visual Studio so I could update some .Net websites I look after then I could completely eliminate Microsoft from my life (except of course those .Net websites).

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The next morning I went back to read and update those notes further and they were gone.  They just vanished.  A whole evening of work was lost.

 

 

 

This sounds like what IT guys are told every day.  I didn't do anything!  It all just vanished!

 

I know IT guys who wish that they had a nickel for every time they have heard exactly that.  


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Agreed. This is a real POS! Who the hell approved this crap!
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Why did AI update their forum software to work even worse than before on iPhones? I wouldn't have thought that was even possible!

It's great! They hired a consultant from Microsoft to do the update for them.

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Yea I don't know either I've had a Skydrive account since it's introduction and use it daily with Safari so I don't know what he's talking about. Even the online web apps like MS Word, Excel and Powerpoint work great. Which by the way is the main reason why everyone should have a Skydrive account, forget the storage everyone has that but no one does an online word processor like Microsoft.

No thanks! Don't want their crap.
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Wow.  That's one ringing endorsement of Apple.  Not.

 

I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products.  But never that one.

Well, I guess ZZZ has been asleep since the mid eighties (or unborn?)

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The online Office apps are the only reason you need. There fantastic, good enough to use as your main word processor. Plus the upload and download speeds are much faster not to mention you can upload larger files with the free service then you can with Dropbox. Skydrive is actually a pretty fantastic service and there is no reason to at least try it out. It's free by the way. Just try the Office apps and you'll see. I was using  Apple Pages but since I got Skydrive I haven't touched it.

There is NO LIMIT to file size in Dropbox! You can also upload any file size through their app. The only limit is 300 MB for a file uploaded through the web interface which is pretty unimportant since their is no restriction through the free app. There is plenty of reason to not use it! We don't need it!
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Well, I guess ZZZ has been asleep since the mid eighties (or unborn?)

 

to be fair, to purchase XX because its competitor sucks is not a particularly useful commentary.  Purchasing XX because its the best product for the job you would like, is.

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to be fair, to purchase XX because its competitor sucks is not a particularly useful commentary.  Purchasing XX because its the best product for the job you would like, is.

 

So you've never tried a product, found it unsatisfactory, then tried a competitors and found that it was exactly what you were looking for?

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You can use an ampersand in a Windows file name - but Dropbox wouldn't let me sync a file between Windows and Mac with an ampersand in it, either. 

You can't use a colon at all. The following characters are not allowed in a Windows file name: \ / : * ? " < > |

I don't know why, but when I tried to transfer files with an ampersand, SkyDrive rejected them. Perhaps they also had a backslash - I'm not 100% sure it was the ampersand that caused the rejection.

In any event, if MS wants to offer this as cross platform, it should accept the file names that people use. The backslash is a perfectly legal character on Macs and is the standard convention for dates in the U.S. (and acceptable in much of the rest of the world). A common way to identify files is to have the date in the name. Dropbox has no problem with the backslash and, of course, iDisk is OK with it. It's rather silly to have a "cross-platform" tool that forces you to rename your files.
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Skydrive may not be a worthy replacement for Dropbox but this comparison page does point out that Apple is stubbornly sticking to it`s hatred of a file system.

 

iCloud vs. Dropbox/Skydrive isn`t even a proper competition, they actually are more complimentary to each other.

 

They were actually heading in a better direction with iDisk if only it worked.

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I don't really get why MS is targeting iCloud. Skydrive and iCloud don't really seem to be competitors. iCloud makes sense for people who have invested in the Apple ecosystem. If you have, then Skydrive won't be as useful for you; if you haven't, then you're probably not using iCloud anyway.
If you look at the "computers" people use a great deal of Windows users also use iOS-based devices. MS looks to be using this to keep more people tied to the Windows ecosystem which seems to be slowly shrinking due to the iPad's success.

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The mp4 itself is completely hosed as well as the page requiring Silverlight. Also they are using some proprietary attributes within the video tag.
Code:
ms.exid="html5player" ms.cid="841167" ms.cver="10" hasclicktoplay="1"

The mp4 will play in Quicktime 7 but cannot be saved, exported or imported into FCP or iMovie and gives an error of 'incorrect timing detected'.

You'd think as much as they are targeting iOS users they would make it compatible with conditional code for Mobile Safari.
It played for me as a native MP4 in Safari 5.2 (8536.8.5) in ML Preview 3.1. Nothing on iPad or iPhone. Odd for a company that's trying to sell their iOS-compatible SkyDrive.

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