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Apple spent $500K on federal lobbying in Q1 2012 while Google spent $5M

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Though Apple faces scrutiny from the federal government in the form of an antitrust lawsuit, the company has only spent $500,000 on lobbying the U.S. government in the first three months of 2012.

Apple's activity, or lack thereof, in Washington D.C. was highlighted in a profile published on Wednesday by Politico. While the iPhone maker spent just a half-million dollars on lobbying in the first quarter of 2012, rivals Google and Microsoft spent nearly $7 million combined during the same period, according to congressional lobbying disclosure reports.

Apple's relative absence from the lobbying scene in Washington has apparently left the company with few friends. That could present complications with respect to a new Justice Department lawsuit, filed last month, which has accused Apple and a number of book publishers of price fixing and collusion.

Wednesday's report featured comments from Jeff Miller, who was previously a senior aide for 8 years on the Senate Judiciary Committee's Antitrust Subcommittee. He said he never had a meeting with any lobbyist representing Apple.

"There have been other tech companies who chose not to engage in Washington, and for the most part that strategy did not benefit them," Miller said.

Among technology companies, Google has the largest presence by far, having spent $5 million in the first quarter of 2012 alone. Microsoft was in second with $1.8 million, while Hewlett-Packard finished third with $1.6 million.

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Apple's spending doesn't even crack the top 10, as the company finished in 11th place behind ninth-place Facebook, which spent $816,000 during the quarter, and tenth-place Dell, which allocated $620,000 for lobbying.

The $500,000 Apple spent in the first quarter of 2012 is actually down slightly from the same period in 2011, when the company put $560,000 toward federal lobbying. Last year's sum was roughly one-third the amount Google and Microsoft each spent during the same period.

In 2012, the gap has grown even further, with Google spending ten times as much, and Microsoft more than three times as much. Both companies are joined by Facebook by having their own political action committees, while Apple has none. And Google and Microsoft were also noted by Politico to have media operations in Washington, while the famously tight-lipped Apple does not.

While Apple hasn't spent a great deal directly on lobbying, the company does participate in some groups that advocate on its behalf in Washington. For example, last September Apple joined the Digital Due Process coalition, which seeks to reform surveillance laws in the U.S. and secure individuals' rights to privacy with modern Internet technology.

In addition, Apple has joined other companies in pushing for an offshore tax holiday that would allow the company to repatriate funds stored overseas and spend them in the U.S. at a lower tax rate. Other companies in the consortium included Cisco, Duke Energy, Oracle, and Pfizer.
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Why spend any at all? 


This nonsense needs to be illegal.

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In addition, Apple has joined other companies in pushing for an offshore tax holiday that would allow the company to repatriate funds stored overseas and spend them in the U.S. at a lower tax rate. Other companies in the consortium included Cisco, Duke Energy, Oracle, and Pfizer.

Dont think any of these companies should have a offshore tax holiday. I pay a higher percentage in taxes compared to these companies which is wrong and should be illegal.

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Why spend any at all? 


This nonsense needs to be illegal.

 

Haven't you heard?  Bribes are protected First Amendment speech these days.

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Someone is clearly more interested in product strength than political clout. 

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Lobbying should be illegal and tax loopholes should not exist.  Period.  

 

Let's have a nationwide vote on it and see what happens.  I guarantee is would be 99% to 1% in the results...

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…tax loopholes should not exist.  Period.  

 

Unless it comes to citizens, right? lol.gif

 

Look, we really just need the government to come to Apple and say, "redesign these tax forms". 

 

Then Apple makes the most beautiful, simple tax forms anyone has ever seen. They make PERFECT sense to everyone, and all workarounds are locked out.

 

We need a cleaner, more streamlined tax code. Not all 'loopholes' are/should be made illegal.

 

Similarly, tax fraud and evasion should be dealt with swiftly and severely.

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Greasing the axles might get a little better valuation out of Apple.  Apple has enough money to spread around, so I don't see why it doesn't spend more than Google.  It might help Apple get a few more devices in the government.  Apple isn't going to go anywhere at this rate.  The Feds will be jumping on Apple for every little thing.  Apple needs to get a bit more clout in high places.  As a shareholder, I think it should be done.  Go with the flow.
 

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**** lobbyists and their employers. Period.

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Part of the problem here is that Apple could find itself trapped it is isn't careful.

 

Often times lobbying is used merely to defend oneself against a power-crazed government (not that that applies to the US government in anyway).

 

The other side to consider is that those doing a lot of lobbying are often trying to use government as a club to beat their competitors with.

 

The root problem here is a government with so much power that it is worthwhile to lobby it in the first place.

 

You'll NEVER stop lobbying. You can make stuff illegal all you want...it will just go underground. They'll find ways around it. As long as the government has enough power and control to warrant trying to influence and control it.

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Lobbying should be illegal and tax loopholes should not exist.  Period.  

Let's have a nationwide vote on it and see what happens.  I guarantee is would be 99% to 1% in the results...

While 99% of people may agree with you (myself included,) the 1% are having their pockets lined with this money or are writing the checks out of their success.

Why would those 1% support changing a law that is paying for their mansions? Good luck with that one!
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Why would those 1% support changing a law that is paying for their mansions?

 

And re-election campaigns.

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Greasing the axles might get a little better valuation out of Apple.  Apple has enough money to spread around, so I don't see why it doesn't spend more than Google.  It might help Apple get a few more devices in the government.  Apple isn't going to go anywhere at this rate.  The Feds will be jumping on Apple for every little thing.  Apple needs to get a bit more clout in high places.  As a shareholder, I think it should be done.  Go with the flow.

 

There is good logic there. If your competitor is there influencing people, you should really be making sure those people are hearing the full story, not just one side.

Personally I think lobbying should be banned, and DC should be salaried. However until that day never happens, you have to play the game to get the most success.
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This interesting but a more helpful analysis would be to look at how much companies spend on lobby as a percentage of their earnings – i.e., for every $1M Google makes how much are they willing to put aside on the lobbying vs. Apple and other companies.  This is where the numbers truly get scary:

 

Google made $2,890mm Profit in Q2 and spend $5mm on lobbying.  This means that Google management was willing to spend $1,730 for every millions of profit they made.

 

Let’s compare this with Apple. Apple made $11,622mm Profit in Q2 and spend $500K on lobbying. This means that Apple management was willing to spend only $43 for every millions of profit Apple made.

 

Google spend over 40 times more on federal lobbying than Apple. Wow. 

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Modern dictionary.

 

lobby (verb) to corrupt

example: The corporation lobbied Congress.

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Lobbying should be illegal and tax loopholes should not exist.  Period.  

Let's have a nationwide vote on it and see what happens.  I guarantee is would be 99% to 1% in the results...

While 99% of people may agree with you (myself included,) the 1% are having their pockets lined with this money or are writing the checks out of their success.

Why would those 1% support changing a law that is paying for their mansions? Good luck with that one!

 

Because they could start to believe that they would be better off giving up a little bit (to diffuse the anger of 99%) than to risk losing everything.

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Hate bribing...sorry, lobbying.

Love level playing fields.

Reckon Apple should spend a billion or so lobbying.

Would love to see a little political pressure brought to bare whenever some of these ridiculous press stories pop up.
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Lobbying is free speech and constitutionally protected. If you don't like lobbying, then you should seek to shrink the size government. The reason that lobbying is so pervasive is that we have a huge government that has many goodies to auction off to the highest bidder. If we didn't have a huge government, we wouldn't have the lobbying. That's how you change things.

 

If they really had to spend money to get government to protect the privacy of electronic devices that's really sad. That's government's job - to protect our freedom. Yet we have a corporation paying them to do so. Sucks.

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Apple has always let their products do the talking. It's only on rare occassions do they Lobby and mainly against measures that coalitions of SV industry leaders all agree is damaging to the world of computing.
 

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Lobbying is free speech and constitutionally protected.

 

If they really had to spend money to get government to protect the privacy of electronic devices that's really sad. That's government's job - to protect our freedom. Yet we have a corporation paying them to do so. Sucks.

 

Petition the Government for a redress of Grievances is Free Speech and Constitutionally protected.

 

Corporate Lobbying is an interpretation the Courts decided and one that has screwed the world over too many times.

 

I have no problem with individuals lobbying Congress but I do have a problem with the profession of Lobbying who do not speak for We The People shaping our choices in life.

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I imagine some posters here would support the "People's Rights Amendment" (a constitutional amendment that would overturn the Supreme Court’s holding in Citizens United.)

 

But be careful.

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Why spend any at all? 


This nonsense needs to be illegal.

When I read this, I desire context. What does the figure include? We have sort of a fuzzy public definition of lobbying, but I'd like to know what they considered lobbying dollars when it came to forming this statistic.

 

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Greasing the axles might get a little better valuation out of Apple.  Apple has enough money to spread around, so I don't see why it doesn't spend more than Google.  It might help Apple get a few more devices in the government.  Apple isn't going to go anywhere at this rate.  The Feds will be jumping on Apple for every little thing.  Apple needs to get a bit more clout in high places.  As a shareholder, I think it should be done.  Go with the flow.
 

While you're entitled to your opinion, we need less of this kind of crap, not more. The solution isn't to bring Apple down to Google's level.

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Thank you for my check Tim.
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Until it becomes possible to do no business whatsoever with corporations which subvert the democratic process, Apple is the best of a bad bunch

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I guess I am naive, but is lobbying just paying congressmen? Is it that if they contribute to a congressman's campaign fund, or his favourite charity, it is lobbying, but if they contribute directly to his bank account, it is a bribe?

 

From the article we can infer that the less you lobby, the less friends you have. That is a little blatant right? I'm sure the politicans in India are every bit as corrupt as those in the US, but all lobbying is kept strictly under the table and behind closed doors. The Indian rats at least try to keep up a facade.

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I guess I am naive, but is lobbying just paying congressmen? Is it that if they contribute to a congressman's campaign fund, or his favourite charity, it is lobbying, but if they contribute directly to his bank account, it is a bribe?

No, that's not what lobbying is, at all. That's bribery. Neither is it necessary to do with procuring government contracts (that's a sales thing). Think more like trying to steer proposed legislation a certain way, that is beneficial to your company, or detrimental to the competition.

 

Then think about the enormous amount of privacy and IP legislation that has been discussed in recent times, and it'll become obvious how disconcerting that enormous amount of money Google spends on lobbying really is.

 

.tsooJ

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Modern dictionary.

 

lobby (verb) to corrupt

example: The corporation lobbied Congress.

Was just about to ask what it meant. Thanks for a brief explanation.

 

So, in short, Google Pay big law man lots o' Benjamins so they no get cock slapped?

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Wednesday's report featured comments from Jeff Miller, who was previously a senior aide for 8 years on the Senate Judiciary Committee's Antitrust Subcommittee. He said he never had a meeting with any lobbyist representing Apple.
"There have been other tech companies who chose not to engage in Washington, and for the most part that strategy did not benefit them," Miller said

"engage in Washington"  WTF!!

 

Sounds like extortion of the highest order.

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