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Apple's Siri tells users Nokia Lumia 900 is 'best smartphone ever'

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When asked to find the "best smartphone ever," the Siri personal assistant software on the iPhone 4S will tell users to check out the competing Lumia 900 smartphone made by Nokia.

The issue, highlighted by The Next Web, stems from the fact that, when provided with the question, Siri returns results from WolframAlpha. Searching the same query, "What is the best smartphone ever?," directly from the service's website returns the same result.

The Nokia Lumia 900 4G from AT&T, with a cyan exterior, is recommended by WolframAlpha based on a total of just four user reviews, with an average score of 5 out of 5. The site offers an extensive list of details on the Windows Phone-based device, including its price, dimensions, features, and comparisons to other smartphones.

In fact, WolframAlpha's full list of mobile phones ranked by customer review doesn't include the iPhone. In addition to three Nokia Lumia handsets, the top 10 user-ranked phones listed includes the discontinued HP Touchpad — which is a tablet, not a phone.

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Apple's lack of involvement in Siri's search results also came to light last November, when the company was criticized for Siri's inability to field requests regarding birth control and abortion clinics. A spokesperson for Apple said the omissions were "not intentional" after the ACLU took issue with the fact that Siri could answer questions about where to have sex or find a local escort service, but referred users seeking information about abortion to pregnancy crisis centers.

"Our customers want to use Siri to find out all types of information, and while it can find a lot, it doesn't always find what you want," Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said. "These are not intentional omissions meant to offend anyone, it simply means that as we bring Siri from beta to a final product, we find places where we can do better and we will in the coming weeks."

Apple's official website continues to advertise Siri as a "beta" service, and it is currently only available on the iPhone 4S.
post #2 of 74

Har!

 

Too funny!lol.gif

post #3 of 74
D'oh!
post #4 of 74

looks like someone at M$ ad company actually had a good ideal and made sure it come up that way.  Give that guy a bonus
 

post #5 of 74

What kind of moron would ask their iPhone 4S what the best smartphone in the world is?!?!

post #6 of 74
Do we really need an entire AI posting about the result of a question to Siri, who greenlighted this?
post #7 of 74

That's actually not Siri's personal response... That's a response pulled from Wolfram Alpha, which is the backup resource if Siri can't find the info herself.

post #8 of 74

Forgive Siri. She is young and believes everything she's told.

post #9 of 74

It's difficult to duplicate. And it isn't actually Siri's response. 

 

Though it makes no difference, anyway. It isn't as if this'll help WP7's mindshare. Not even Siri has an answer for THAT problem.

post #10 of 74

Um… this isn't news. Now if Apple overrode Wolfram Alpha and had Siri say the iPhone was best, then that would be news.

post #11 of 74

If Apple wanted to be cute, they would have trapped this kind of request and had Siri respond like this:

 

"Well...I'm partial to the iPhone...but here are some other reviews for you..."

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post #12 of 74

It's only actually if you phrase the question exactly like that. If you say "What is the best smartphone?" (without the "ever") - Siri replies "The one you're holding."

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What kind of moron would ask their iPhone 4S what the best smartphone in the world is?!?!

 

The kind that was hoping to get to stroke about it in front of their friends and then got embarassed :)

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The kind that was hoping to get to stroke about it in front of their friends and then got embarassed :)

 

In that case the answer should have been...

 

"Are you a moron!"

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post #15 of 74
What other phone can understand the question and formulate a response?
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post #16 of 74

Humble. I like that.

post #17 of 74

Consumers don't need telling which is the best smartphone ever. They already know it is iPhone 4S.

post #18 of 74

Ok so i ask SIRI this same question and her an her response was "Your Kidding Right"photo.PNG

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Ok so i ask SIRI this same question and her an her response was "Your Kidding Right"

That isn't the same question.  You must ask "What is the best smartphone ever" exactly or else you won't receive the result which is the basis for this "article."

post #20 of 74

Now Microsoft/Nokia if quick and smart enough can come up with the best smartphone commercial ever and push it on TV instead of the stupid "Beta Testing" campaign.

post #21 of 74

Ok so I asked her the exact way that the article worded it " What is the best smartphone ever" and tried it about 12 times and couldn't get Siri to answer the way she did in this article...she just looks up listings with smartphone in them ..here is a pic. Maybe there is a little bit of BS herephoto.PNG

post #22 of 74

Come on, everyone knows Siri can be sarcastic when she want to be ... 

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post #23 of 74

I think it's great that Siri did this, whether "she" did this directly or through Wolfram - it demonstrates that Apple isn't manipulating the results in its favor.  

post #24 of 74

Actually is good news

Others are saying that this is not news, but I think it really is.  We are accustom to news needing to be wrongdoings.  

 

Remember earlier this year Google's Chrome was getting an undue high PageRank?

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/202375-google-penalizes-itself

 

Once discovered, Google had to penalize itself after the fact.

 

Based upon this story, we can see that while slightly embarrassing for Apple, the results are not being manipulated unduly.  This makes Siri's results more trustworthy.

post #25 of 74

This is a total sham. Everyone I know just tried this and we all got results for places with "Ever" nearby. Hoax anyone?

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post #26 of 74
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That's actually not Siri's personal response... That's a response pulled from Wolfram Alpha, which is the backup resource if Siri can't find the info herself.

 

LOL...you understand that you are not helping right? 

 

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post #27 of 74

Hogwash. It's photoshop and some spare time.

post #28 of 74

I was able to duplicate the results.

post #29 of 74

Dear Apple Insider,

 

Over the years I have come to you as a reliable source of Apple News and Information. It's been great and wonderful.

 

Recently, I have witnessed a decline in both your accuracy, your reporting and the decisions that are made regarding what to report on. As it stands, other Apple sites have started to use you as the butt of some rather amusing jokes mostly revolving around the rumors you post and the excessive excitement that goes into reporting on something like a SIM card tray.

 

This is just about the last straw for me. I'm about to jump ship and stick to sites that actually have relevant information and vet their rumors more thoroughly.

 

Please go back to the way you were a few years ago, when I could rely on what you were reporting and you made a concerted effort to follow up on rumors before you posted anything.

 

This shows a complete lack of investigative journalism and makes you no better than the National Enquirer of Apple Rumors.

 

Get it together. 

post #30 of 74

Maybe, rephrase the question...

 

"Siri, where can I find the best abortion, ever?"

post #31 of 74
I too was able to duplicate the resuts as described in the article.
post #32 of 74

Siri uses conversational context to decide how to answer.  If you've been asking about locations, Siri will put its answer in a locational context.  If you want to completely eliminate the context question for such an experiment, turn Siri off then back on before asking a question.

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This is a total sham. Everyone I know just tried this and we all got results for places with "Ever" nearby. Hoax anyone?


Same here

post #34 of 74

Maybe inputs from outside the U.S. sways the results.

 

Have to admit, iPhone 4 and 4S are not spring chicken anymore when it comes to design and hardware. She's still the one but definitely shows her crow's feet and wringles sitting next to pretty young things like Lumia 900, HTC One and whatnot. Would-be customers are straying. Shop test can still seal the deal for iPhone but how many were lost thanks to newer, shiner faces?

 

Time to hit weight camp and a gallon of silicone you think?

post #35 of 74

Really, AppleInsider? You couldn't be bothered to actually verify this before you posted a news story?

 

If you ask Siri 'what is the best smartphone ever' (and that's actually pretty hard to do—I can only make it work by pronouncing smartphone, 'smartohn', or basically by dropping the 'ph' but pronouncing it the same otherwise) she goes about looking for local shops. And I doubt this is Apple changing results because if you ask, say, 'what is the best camera ever', she'll look for local shops in response to that as well. There's some small truth to it in that if you explicitly tell her to use Wolfram (as below) you will get those results. So I imagine what happened here is that someone found this out, did some Photoshopping, and here we are.

 

Edit: someone below points out that in the UK, Siri doesn't check local shops, and actually does default to Wolfram, so this would be the exact result you get. If AI actually did verify this with a third party I am in the wrong.

 

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Fairthrope: "Have to admit, iPhone 4 and 4S are not spring chicken anymore when it comes to design and hardware."
Newer does not equal better design; the best designs are timeless.

Edited by Xian Zhu Xuande - 5/11/12 at 8:50am
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post #36 of 74

Heres what I got

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post #37 of 74

It is just another lame attempt at marketing and they are using apple's popularity at getting free press to draw attention their products. It like the RIM Wake up ads. Give the Ad guy some credit since they obviously know they can not get the press themselves so ride apple free press coat tails.

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Really, AppleInsider? You couldn't be bothered to actually verify this before you posted a news story?

 

If you ask Siri 'what is the best smartphone ever' (and that's actually pretty hard to do—I can only make it work by pronouncing smartphone, 'smartohn', or basically by dropping the 'ph' but pronouncing it the same otherwise) she goes about looking for local shops. And I doubt this is Apple changing results because if you ask, say, 'what is the best camera ever', she'll look for local shops in response to that as well. There's some small truth to it in that if you explicitly tell her to use Wolfram (as below) you will get those results. So I imagine what happened here is that someone found this out, did some Photoshopping, and here we are.

 

 

 

 

Fairthrope: "Have to admit, iPhone 4 and 4S are not spring chicken anymore when it comes to design and hardware."
Newer does not equal better design; the best designs are timeless.

Siri doesn't look up shops etc in the UK and the wolfram result is the exact result I got by asking "what is the best smartphone ever?"


Edited by irnchriz - 5/11/12 at 8:53am
post #39 of 74

Ah. That would explain it, then, and in that case this would be legitimate.

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post #40 of 74

hahahahaha

 

awesome.

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