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Adobe on Friday launched Creative Cloud, a service that allows users subscription-based access to the company's media creation and editing tools, as well as two "touch apps" for iOS and the Muse HTML5 web tool.

The release comes less than a week after Adobe rolled out its Creative Suite 6 software lineup which includes new versions of Photoshop, InDesign, lllustrator, Dreamweaver, Premiere Pro, After Effects, Flash Professional and other products.

Officially announced alongside CS6 in April, Creative Cloud is a more affordable alternative to the expensive design, Web, video and digital imaging bundles offered to professionals. With a one-year $49.99 per month contract, customers have access to download and install all CS6 software as well as add-on Touch Apps like Photoshop Touch. Month-to-month subscriptions are also offered at a price of $74.99 per month, while owners of CS3, CS4, CS5 and CS5.5 get an introductory price of $29.99 per month. Education pricing is also available.

?Adobe Creative Cloud members receive full access to the entire portfolio of Creative Suite 6 tools, integration with our touch tools, file storage and sharing services and Web hosting ? everything they need to go from idea to finished work, at a breakthrough monthly subscription price,? said Senior Vice President of Adobe's Digital Media Business David Wadhwani. ?Creative Cloud will allow our product teams to unleash a constant stream of innovation, releasing new features, apps and services as they are developed.?

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The addition of two Touch Apps, which can be purchased separately for $9.99 each, bring the total of mobile-centric Adobe products to six and include Photoshop Touch, presentation app Debut, website prototyping app Proto, brainstorming app Collage, design app Ideas and color theme app Kuler. Of the six, Adobe Debut and Adobe Kuler are currently Android-Only, though iOS versions are in the pipeline.

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Adobe's HTML5 solution, Muse, was also released on Friday after spending nearly 9 months in an open public beta that saw over 700,000 downloads. The new website creation tool allows graphic designers not versed in code writing to build HTML pages using tools similar to those found in Adobe's InDesign print layout software.

While Muse is included in Creative Cloud's entry price, free-standing subscriptions to the website builder can be purchased for $14.99 per month on an annual contract or $24.99 month-to-month. Both versions include a limited amount of site hosting, though Adobe hasn't released specifics regarding bandwidth or site size.
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I upgraded PS CS3 to PS CS6 and I must say for $199 it was a worthy upgrade. I'm thrilled to have the new groovy dark UI, fast graphics engine, 64 bit ops, and nifty new tools. CS6 was the first version of PS Adobe compelled me to upgrade to since CS3. Got along fine with the old warhorse. 

 

Now Adobe has intro'd this Cloud service, something I predict is destined to fail for the same reason I didn't upgrade PS from CS3 until CS6. The reason being, Adobe is a transparently greedy company always on the come offering ridiculously expensive unnecessary incremental upgrades the world can live without. But I love my PS CS6!

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My complaint is it takes so much time to figure out what is the best option. I have the production bundle from CS5, but I upgraded inDesign to 5.5. I use photoshop the most so I might just upgrade that. I use AE less and less. I have almost never touched most of the other apps from the production bundle.

 

I've downloaded Muse and am playing with it. Might like to use that...but they only offer it as a subscription.

 

It's so confusing and such a mess. It's like they are making it as confusing as possible. I do not like the idea of renting software and I can't imagine wanting all that 'stuff' installed. 

 

I do wish they went back to putting out good software that wasn't buggy. I remember when they would put out a version AND offer valuable upgrades along the way to the next big upgrade. Now they put something out, that usually has some bad bugs. They might or might not fix those with point upgrades, then it's time for another $600 bucks.

 

It gets old. I think lowering prices is smarter than this subscription stuff. But then again, after their 'CEO' got into that P match with Steve Jobs over Flash, it was obvious they are not what they used to be. The higher-ups are just milking the company for what they can get. So yeah, it's not like I enjoy dealing with them anymore.

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My complaint is it takes so much time to figure out what is the best option. I have the production bundle from CS5, but I upgraded inDesign to 5.5. I use photoshop the most so I might just upgrade that.

 

What you write does not make sense. Unless things have changed since I last inquired you cannot upgrade just a single app based on a previous suite purchase. You have to pay full price if you want to revert back to purchasing / upgrading on an app by app basis.

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I've stopped using Adobe for now. For design mockups Keynote is great. For photo-manipulation stuff Pixelmator looks decent. I don't do much vector stuff but I hear there's a lot out there. For coding Coda is a superior alternative to Dreamweaver. Then of course there's Logic and iMovie/Final Cut. So for "pros" Adobe is de facto, fine, but for small business/ small-medium enterprise which needs to produce or manipulate its own new media, alternatives to the very expensive Creative Suite are attractive and available now.

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My complaint is it takes so much time to figure out what is the best option. I have the production bundle from CS5, but I upgraded inDesign to 5.5. I use photoshop the most so I might just upgrade that. I use AE less and less. I have almost never touched most of the other apps from the production bundle.

 

I've downloaded Muse and am playing with it. Might like to use that...but they only offer it as a subscription.

 

It's so confusing and such a mess. It's like they are making it as confusing as possible. I do not like the idea of renting software and I can't imagine wanting all that 'stuff' installed. 

 

I do wish they went back to putting out good software that wasn't buggy. I remember when they would put out a version AND offer valuable upgrades along the way to the next big upgrade. Now they put something out, that usually has some bad bugs. They might or might not fix those with point upgrades, then it's time for another $600 bucks.

 

It gets old. I think lowering prices is smarter than this subscription stuff. But then again, after their 'CEO' got into that P match with Steve Jobs over Flash, it was obvious they are not what they used to be. The higher-ups are just milking the company for what they can get. So yeah, it's not like I enjoy dealing with them anymore.

 

Indeed, the peak of Adobe seems to have come and recently passed. This is typical of what Tribal Leadership calls Stage 3 behaviour. Once interests are entrenched in a company's culture, everything stagnates and is focused on each department or the whole company "optimising" what they can and relying on business models that simply don't apply to the real world as much as they used to.

 

In terms of new media anyway, a lot of design can be done based on the values and vision of the organisation, rather than being the "best designer". Once that shift in thinking occurs, so too the need to evaluate whether Creative Suite is used for values and vision or for "me being the best designer".

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Has anyone tried to buy creative cloud? It is completely broken in Safari for me. Blank page after several botched attempts, I gave up. They really need to work on the validation part of the upgrade process. I am qualified but the numerous hoops to jump through and failed shopping experience is a little surprising. Maybe they only tested it with IE.

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I upgraded PS CS3 to PS CS6 and I must say for $199 it was a worthy upgrade. I'm thrilled to have the new groovy dark UI, fast graphics engine, 64 bit ops, and nifty new tools. CS6 was the first version of PS Adobe compelled me to upgrade to since CS3. Got along fine with the old warhorse. 

 

Now Adobe has intro'd this Cloud service, something I predict is destined to fail for the same reason I didn't upgrade PS from CS3 until CS6. The reason being, Adobe is a transparently greedy company always on the come offering ridiculously expensive unnecessary incremental upgrades the world can live without. But I love my PS CS6!

 

I've tried the CS6 Photoshop beta and it is indeed good. But like you mention it's the pricing and jumbled business strategy that is off-putting. Still, one machine at work will have Creative Suite (4/5), but on my Mac, I simply cannot justify the cost anymore.

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I bought the production bundle, didn't have InDesign. I had bought InDesign back in 02 or 03. So I have upgraded that as a single program as it is not part of the production bundle. The fact that we are having this discussion means they failed. it's confusing, and stupid. iIt's like the Windows releases with 4 different versions. Buying software shouldn't be this painful.

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I am happy for Adobe. With the new iOS and MAS apps, the shift to HTML5, and the statement from their security guy about them being happy about old versions of Flash being disabled, it seems they have decided to stop fighting Apple and ride on their backs to more success.

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I've enjoyed using Muse BETA for the past few months. 

 

Shame I won't be able to use it for free now. For those interested, here is my (basic) site - http://www.halabalu.com

 

Currently being hosted on iDisk (which is soon to go..)

 

=(

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I somehow totally missed Muse, I would have liked to have play with the Beta,  I must say I really had hoped Apple would create something like Muse, or iWeb Pro.  I worry Muse may not be as Apple friendly as it could be.  For example, with Apple's new mapping system on the horizon will Muse allow a widget to place Apple Maps as easily as Google Maps?

 

I was surprised to read just now that Muse doesn't have an FTP service built in other than for Adobe's service.  To have to export and manually upload seems pretty silly in this day and age.  A designer developing web sites for clients isn't going to be uploading them to Adobe's servers, rather Netsol, GoDaddy etc far more likely.

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post #13 of 27
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I've enjoyed using Muse BETA for the past few months. 

 

Shame I won't be able to use it for free now. For those interested, here is my (basic) site - http://www.halabalu.com

 

Currently being hosted on iDisk (which is soon to go..)

 

=(

Tell me was Muse a stand alone application or a kind of web server template type system reliant on being connected to Adobe?  I realize once made you can export and upload anywhere (minus the extra fonts I assume).

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Tell me was Muse a stand alone application or a kind of web server template type system reliant on being connected to Adobe?  I realize once made you can export and upload anywhere (minus the extra fonts I assume).

It is a standalone application. As easy to use as iWeb but with the ability to create Master pages and widgets such a Lightbox.

 

My site currently utilises a contact form which was created in JotForm, a commenting system from Disqus and a music player from SoundCloud. My understanding is that Adobe will be adding more widgets over time which would negate having to use external services...

 

You could upload direct to Adobe's Business Catalyst hosting platform or just export the Muse website to HTML and then upload elsewhere...

 

I don't believe the BETA version included Adobe's TypeKit service...

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i'm an early adopter. i tried the ps6 beta. this is the first time i'm not going to upgrade. video editing? really? it's simply not worth the cost. 

 

features in search of a benefit.

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I've enjoyed using Muse BETA for the past few months. 

 

Shame I won't be able to use it for free now. For those interested, here is my (basic) site - http://www.halabalu.com

 

Currently being hosted on iDisk (which is soon to go..)

 

=(

I tried it out for a few minutes last night but unfortunately it was not very intuitive. I'm sure there is a tutorial out there somewhere. I don't understand how this is being billed as an HTML 5 development app. It seems very simplistic not at all an advanced tool for professional use like the rest of CS apps. It doesn't look like anything I would use but apparently you were able to make it work. I was hoping for a component builder type application along the lines of Sencha.

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post #17 of 27

too late bug Adobe Tumult Hype already got my money and i love their product screw the subscription BS

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With this pricing it's destined to fail. Photoshop CS1 does all I need it to.

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I played with Muse for about an hour and gave up on it. Hype is infinitely more user friendly and powerful. I just don't see the benefit of paying $14/month when I can get Hype for a one off payment of $64.99 on Mac App Store. It really isn't worth the price of admission.

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I tried it out for a few minutes last night but unfortunately it was not very intuitive. I'm sure there is a tutorial out there somewhere. I don't understand how this is being billed as an HTML 5 development app. It seems very simplistic not at all an advanced tool for professional use like the rest of CS apps. It doesn't look like anything I would use but apparently you were able to make it work. I was hoping for a component builder type application along the lines of Sencha.

Is the beta still available? I didn't spot any links on Adobe's site just now.
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I played with Muse for about an hour and gave up on it. Hype is infinitely more user friendly and powerful. I just don't see the benefit of paying $14/month when I can get Hype for a one off payment of $64.99 on Mac App Store. It really isn't worth the price of admission.

Hype isn't for making entire web sites though, more for making bits for web sites.
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Is the beta still available? I didn't spot any links on Adobe's site just now.

7.2 beta is on labs.adobe.com

 

I was using the version released with Creative Cloud

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Hype isn't for making entire web sites though, more for making bits for web sites.

 

I disagree. Hype is more than capable of making entire sites or pieces of sites.

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Someone in charge at Adobe should study Steve Jobs! Keep it simple, intuitive and user-friendly. Adobe is a cluster fk of a company. Just looking at the first graphic with his article gives me a headache!
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Someone in charge at Adobe should study Steve Jobs! Keep it simple, intuitive and user-friendly. Adobe is a cluster fk of a company. Just looking at the first graphic with his article gives me a headache!

 

The first image? What about the second one with all the applications? You need all of that just to draw and post to a website?

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With this pricing it's destined to fail.

 

Don't be ridiculous. At $600/year, and as a deductible expense for a small business, it's going to end up costing just over $1 a day, post-taxes, for permanent bleeding-edge access to the entire Master Suite. For any creative professional, it's an absolute no-brainer.

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Don't be ridiculous. At $600/year, and as a deductible expense for a small business, it's going to end up costing just over $1 a day, post-taxes, for permanent bleeding-edge access to the entire Master Suite. For any creative professional, it's an absolute no-brainer.

agreed. i use production premium, and the upgrade to CS6 was 375.00. i decided to join the cloud, getting the first year for 360.00, then the second year for 600.00 and so on.
for the 360.00 i get the upgrade to the master collection, and then the upgrade next year to the same for 600.00.
so, instead of paying over 1000.00 for the upgrade from production to master, i pay under 1000, get 2 updates most likely, and if i decide i don't like cs6, i can dump it in the next 30 days or in a year, and go back to 5.5

it makes sense, it's a great way to get into the whole collection without having to pay up front. i'll expense the 30 bucks a month this year, and the 50 a month next year.

i've quit using final cut and moved to premiere, premiere just runs better on my pro with the mercury engine and tight integration with the new audition and after effects is nice. i can't wait to try speed grade and see how well adobe handles color grading integration.
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