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Geekbench benchmarks that appear to be from unreleased versions of Apple's MacBook Pro and iMac computers have surfaced online and serve as compelling evidence of upcoming upgrades from the company.

Scores for a MacBook Pro9,1 and an iMac13,2 were discovered by a MacRumors forum user on Sunday, as noted by the publication. Though it's possible the results were spoofed, the model numbers, if accurate, are higher than Apple's current-generation models.

According to the benchmarks, the MacBookPro9,1 was running Max OS X 10.8 (Build 12A211), a build that has yet to be released to developers. The machine reportedly made use of a quad-core 2.70 GHz Core i7-3820QM processor and received a GeekBench score of 12,252. That compares to a score of around 10,500 for the Core i7-2860QM processor found in the current MacBook Pro.

Benchmarks for the alleged iMac13,2 were posted a few days before the MacBook Pro results. The desktop was also powered by a quad-core i7 chip, though the model number was 3770 and the clock speed was 3.40 GHz. The operating system for the iMac was described as Mac OS X 10.8 (Build 12A2040), which may have been running an earlier build of Mac OS X 10.8 than that of the aforementioned MacBook Pro. The Geekbench score for the iMac came in at 12,183.

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Alleged iMac benchmarks
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The report also noted that the motherboard identifiers for both machines match up with Mac models discovered in the first developer preview of OS X 10.8.

Geekbench has served as an accurate source of leaks in the past. In 2010, early benchmarks matched the eventual specifications of a MacBook Pro upgrade.

In March, benchmarks reportedly for "Hackintosh" Ivy Bridge-powered computers appeared online. A 3.50GHz Core i7-3770K CPU running Mac OS X 10.7 was said to have received a score of 13,453.

Chipmaker Intel officially launched its Ivy Bridge architecture late last month. Ahead of the release, CEO Paul Otellini indicated that the "bulk" of the first wave of chips would go to desktop computers. A second batch of Ivy Bridge processors bound for lightweight notebooks are scheduled to be released later this quarter.

AppleInsider reported in February that, according to sources, Apple is readying upgrades to its MacBook Pro line that will draw from MacBook Air-style design choices, such as solid-state drives, omission of an optical drives and instant-on capabilities.

"They're all going to look like MacBook Airs," the source said of the upcoming MacBook Pro models.

Rumors have also suggested that Apple will release new iMacs in June or July. One report claimed last month that the new iMacs will feature anti-reflective displays.
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An iMac with a 3770 would be great, but the main upgrade-or-not deciding factor for me would be a powerful GPU.

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It seems strange to me that we did not witness the traditional never ending story about leaked parts. Few weeks before release, it seems now established that people anonymously post pictures of various elements belonging to new models, thereby generating more buzz about the incoming hardware. But not this time. Up to now, who has behold even a glimpse of the alleged new unibody chassis?

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Here's hoping for a 17 inch. C'mon Apple. Don't do me like this!

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The thing is i don't think the iMac has enough room for a powerful or a decent sized desktop GPU to breathe properly. That's why the Mac Pro still remains the only choice for professional users. Here's to hoping for a quick Mac Pro refresh!

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An iMac with a 3770 would be great, but the main upgrade-or-not deciding factor for me would be a powerful GPU.

I suspect this is the case for many users. A good GPU can make a huge difference in the way the machine runs. This is why I'm worried about the rumors that baseline Mac Pros will not have a descrete GPU.

The other thing is RAM, it would be nice to see Apple get with the program and set up the base Mac Book Pro with 8GB of RAM.
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If the benchmark is from an actual pre-production next generation MacBook Pro it quashes the notion that Apple is merging its notebook lines.

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It seems strange to me that we did not witness the traditional never ending story about leaked parts. Few weeks before release, it seems now established that people anonymously post pictures of various elements belonging to new models, thereby generating more buzz about the incoming hardware. But not this time. Up to now, who has behold even a glimpse of the alleged new unibody chassis?

I just take this as a sign Apple has clamped down hard, most likely because major revisions are coming our way. Yeah wishful thinking. However I do see a convergence of technologies that would lead to a very interesting update if Apple wants to be on the bleeding edge.
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If the benchmark is from an actual pre-production next generation MacBook Pro it quashes the notion that Apple is merging its notebook lines.

I don't think there was ever a particle of reality in that idea.
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Here's hoping for a 17 inch. C'mon Apple. Don't do me like this!

 

 

 

 

The 17" will not make it into existence until later this year, if at all. Tons of rumors are out there saying that the 17" will be discontinued due to poor sales. :( 

 

I love my 17" MBP, but if a "Retina" 15" MacBook Pro or Air or Hybrid or whatever will come out, I am selling my 17" to get that! :D

 

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I suspect this is the case for many users. A good GPU can make a huge difference in the way the machine runs. This is why I'm worried about the rumors that baseline Mac Pros will not have a descrete GPU.
The other thing is RAM, it would be nice to see Apple get with the program and set up the base Mac Book Pro with 8GB of RAM.


Perhaps Pros with a discrete GPU and Airs w/o a discrete GPU?

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What do people make of the fact that they are running 10.8 - surprise early release?

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What do people make of the fact that they are running 10.8 - surprise early release?

Or perhaps the new machines won't be out until after Mountain Lion.

Or maybe they new machines will be out tomorrow running Lion and they were just testing them for upgradeability.

Or maybe the entire thing is a prototype which will never make it out of the lab.

Or maybe they spoofed Geekbench.

Or........
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Nah probably the latest beta developer build

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Retina display 15" would look nice, but is essentially, still a 1440x900 workspace.

 

I really need (or want, whatever) the 1920x1200 workspace for Photoshop, Cinema 4d, After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc.

 

Yes, I already have a 27" Cinema external, so, I might could live with a 1680x1050 15", or I may just have to ride herd on my 2011 17"

 

And yes, put the Pro in Pro if the line is to be continued. SSD standard, large platter drive in the Optibay, IPS screens.

 

But what do I know, I'm just the consumer, not the bean counter.

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Or perhaps the new machines won't be out until after Mountain Lion.
Or maybe they new machines will be out tomorrow running Lion and they were just testing them for upgradeability.
Or maybe the entire thing is a prototype which will never make it out of the lab.
Or maybe they spoofed Geekbench.
Or........

 

Even though it's possible to spoof Geekbench, no one has found any tell tales that these particular entries were faked (that I know of).

 

My first guess was (as AndreiD said) this is them testing the next Mountain Lion DP, since those seem to come out at the middle of the month. The machines will ship with Lion hence the adding of HiDPI icons last week.

 

But then why does the iMac have that extra "2" in the build number? That is used for machine-specific builds. Also I think when Apple transitioned from PowerPC to Intel they used those style build numbers to differentiate the two 10.4 versions.

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These are just rumors that is all. Time will tell when the real products come out soon.

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It seems strange to me that we did not witness the traditional never ending story about leaked parts. Few weeks before release, it seems now established that people anonymously post pictures of various elements belonging to new models, thereby generating more buzz about the incoming hardware. But not this time. Up to now, who has behold even a glimpse of the alleged new unibody chassis?

 

In 2010, the Geekbench reports came in a little over two months before the eventual release of the MacBook Pro 6,1. The report was on Feb 4th, the MBPs came out April 13th. So we may not see anything until mid July. That might explain why we are not seeing any parts yet.

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The thing is i don't think the iMac has enough room for a powerful or a decent sized desktop GPU to breathe properly. That's why the Mac Pro still remains the only choice for professional users. Here's to hoping for a quick Mac Pro refresh!

 

There are plenty of professional users out there that GPU's don't really mean all that much to to get their work done.  Audio professionals for example.  Not everyone needs super graphics.

 

 

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The 17" will not make it into existence until later this year, if at all. Tons of rumors are out there saying that the 17" will be discontinued due to poor sales. :( 

 

 

 

If by tons of rumors you mean a multitude of sites reporting the same rumor, then yes, there are tons of rumors saying that

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The report also noted that the motherboard identifiers for both machines match up with Mac models discovered in the first developer preview of OS X 10.8.

 

Since when are they called "motherboards" and not 'logic boards' in Macs?
 

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Even though it's possible to spoof Geekbench, no one has found any tell tales that these particular entries were faked (that I know of).

My point is that this rumor doesn't tell us anything useful. Specifically, I was responding to someone saying that perhaps this meant that Mountain Lion would be out early. There are plenty of other possible explanations - and Geekbench being spoofed was only one of them.
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I just visited the website that originally reported this story.  As much as we might complain about AppleInsider, this website would need to get much, much worse to match the steaming cesspool that is MacRumors.  An editor at MacRumors commented that they "had enough of Apple" and were switching to Dell simply because Apple didn't have an Ivy Bridge laptop available "right now."  The person in question felt strongly enough to post on an Apple rumors website and link his personal blog as well.  I was a long time member of MacRumors and slowly noticed myself perusing their articles but not knowing why, after not visiting for some time I returned today (to check out the original story).  Honestly, MacRumors should be renamed Anti-AppleForums.

 

WTF does a person like that have any business being an editor on an Apple rumors website?

 

AppleInsider has issues but thank goodness for this website.  Please change the forums back though!

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I just visited the website that originally reported this story.  As much as we might complain about AppleInsider, this website would need to get much, much worse to match the steaming cesspool that is MacRumors.  An editor at MacRumors commented that they "had enough of Apple" and were switching to Dell simply because Apple didn't have an Ivy Bridge laptop available "right now."  The person in question felt strongly enough to post on an Apple rumors website and link his personal blog as well.  I was a long time member of MacRumors and slowly noticed myself perusing their articles but not knowing why, after not visiting for some time I returned today (to check out the original story).  Honestly, MacRumors should be renamed Anti-AppleForums.

WTF does a person like that have any business being an editor on an Apple rumors website?

AppleInsider has issues but thank goodness for this website.  Please change the forums back though!

Yep. MacRumors was pretty bad. Simply asking the Apple-hating trolls for evidence was enough to get you an infraction there.
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Yep. MacRumors was pretty bad. Simply asking the Apple-hating trolls for evidence was enough to get you an infraction there.

 

I have several accounts there.  MacRumors was my primary source for Apple news a decade ago.  I am sure that my post today will get me banned since I asked one of the trolls .... er "editors" when MacRumors went so far down hill.  MacRumors now reports fewer stories, less accurately than virtually any other site and is so infested with trolls that the trolls have actually taken over.

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What do people make of the fact that they are running 10.8 - surprise early release?

 

Well, I'm running it right now, so I wouldn't say early at all. I'd imagine late August at the earliest.

 

So, as usual, the new hardware will be launched with Lion.

 

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Since when are they called "motherboards" and not 'logic boards' in Macs?

 

Since it means the same thing and doesn't matter, probably. It's funny calling the daughterboard on the Mac Pro by that name when you're supposed to call the other one the logic board. I guess you could call it the reason board…

 

Off topic: I really want Apple to buy Reason, combine it with Logic, and release a new professional audio program called Sentience.

 

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Honestly, MacRumors should be renamed Anti-AppleForums.

 

WTF does a person like that have any business being an editor on an Apple rumors website?

 

More and more it seems that I got banned at exactly the right time: the last embers of actually liking Apple were just dying out over there when it happened. lol.gif

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Well, I'm running it right now, so I wouldn't say early at all. I'd imagine late August at the earliest.

 

So, as usual, the new hardware will be launched with Lion.

 

 

Since it means the same thing and doesn't matter, probably. It's funny calling the daughterboard on the Mac Pro by that name when you're supposed to call the other one the logic board. I guess you could call it the reason board…

 

Off topic: I really want Apple to buy Reason, combine it with Logic, and release a new professional audio program called Sentience.

 

 

More and more it seems that I got banned at exactly the right time: the last embers of actually liking Apple were just dying out over there when it happened. lol.gif

 

 

Reason + Logic = Sentience ?

 

The ways in which human beings Reason through Argument are the subject of inquiries in the field of Logic. 

 

The person in question has identified himself as an "editor emeritus" rather than an editor.

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Reason + Logic = Sentience ?

 

Hey, it's a nice name. I just want an excuse for them to use it. lol.gif

 

Ah, I got it: combine Logic, Reason, and Ardour to make Sentience.

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sadly no Mac Pro bench.... 1frown.gif
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sadly no Mac Pro bench.... 

 

Ivy Bridge Xeons won't be out for a year.

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Yep. MacRumors was pretty bad. Simply asking the Apple-hating trolls for evidence was enough to get you an infraction there.

I've been PERMANENTLY banned from macrumors forums. Why? For calling out the obvious trolls on their lies and their duplicity, and for correcting blatant mistruth with actual evidence. In the post that got me my permaban, I was responding to someone who stated they're gonna instead buy an Ivy Bridge Samsung if Apple didn't update their laptops within a week. I responding by stating that if the negligble performance of such a chipset outweighs ALL the other advantages of a Macbook in his eyes, he never should have been in the market for one, or he's lying that he even wants one which makes it transparent trolling. This was after I checked his post history, where 99% of his posts were apple bashing, and routinely calls anyone who has anything positive to say about Apple a sheep, cultist, worshipper, fruit, etc. Worst of the worst. I got a permaban for my comment/observation, and the guy and hundreds of others there are still trollling to this day. I think his name was 'wikus', go there and check his posting history. Such a fucked up situation. It is indeed more akin to an Apple-hate forum than anything else. I'm pretty sure the mods either hate themselves or are closet Apple haters, cause I can't see any other explanation. 

 

Glad to know I'm not the only one with this experience. Strange how this site, even with all the trolls, seems like the last bastion for any kind of semi-intelligent discussion about the company. 


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"One report claimed last month that the new iMacs will feature anti-reflective displays."

 

Hopefully. Otherwise, no purchase. Health (no headaches) first! Sign the matte petition at MacMatte:

 

Stop. This. Nonsense.

 

You want a matte display, buy a matte display. Nearly every single other display on the market is matte. Quit whining.

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Yep. MacRumors was pretty bad. Simply asking the Apple-hating trolls for evidence was enough to get you an infraction there.

I've been PERMANENTLY banned from macrumors forums. Why? For calling out the obvious trolls on their lies and their duplicity, and for correcting blatant mistruth with actual evidence. In the post that got me my permaban, I was responding to someone who stated they're gonna instead buy an Ivy Bridge Samsung if Apple didn't update their laptops within a week. I responding by stating that if the negligble performance of such a chipset outweighs ALL the other advantages of a Macbook in his eyes, he never should have been in the market for one, or he's lying that he even wants one which makes it transparent trolling. This was after I checked his post history, where 99% of his posts were apple bashing, and routinely calls anyone who has anything positive to say about Apple a sheep, cultist, worshipper, fruit, etc. Worst of the worst. I got a permaban for my comment/observation, and the guy and hundreds of others there are still trollling to this day. I think his name was 'wikus', go there and check his posting history. Such a fucked up situation. It is indeed more akin to an Apple-hate forum than anything else. I'm pretty sure the mods either hate themselves or are closet Apple haters, cause I can't see any other explanation. 

 

Glad to know I'm not the only one with this experience. Strange how this site, even with all the trolls, seems like the last bastion for any kind of semi-intelligent discussion about the company. 

 

 

They get a lot more traffic, don't they?  If so, it seems like they have a better business model.

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They get a lot more traffic, don't they?  If so, it seems like they have a better business model.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that the "better" business model for an Apple website is to ban pro-Apple talk and allow anti-Apple users completely free reign.

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Ivy Bridge Xeons won't be out for a year.

True, but they could still release a new Mac Pro based on the latest Sandy Bridge Xeons.

I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see an option to downgrade from Xeon to regular Sandy Bridge CPU. Only a very tiny percentage of Mac Pro users actually need the performance of the Xeon and saving a few hundred dollars would be nice.
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Retina display 15" would look nice, but is essentially, still a 1440x900 workspace.

 

I really need (or want, whatever) the 1920x1200 workspace for Photoshop, Cinema 4d, After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc.

 

Yes, I already have a 27" Cinema external, so, I might could live with a 1680x1050 15", or I may just have to ride herd on my 2011 17"

 

And yes, put the Pro in Pro if the line is to be continued. SSD standard, large platter drive in the Optibay, IPS screens.

 

But what do I know, I'm just the consumer, not the bean counter.

 

I'm in agreement -- a PRO user often needs more screen real estate. Sure you can hook up a monitor - but not on the road.

 

I used to have a 17", and now have a newer 15" -- and I realize, that, even though it's easier to lug around, I truly miss the larger screen. A retina display WILL HELP -- but larger is better, even with more resolution.

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If the benchmark is from an actual pre-production next generation MacBook Pro it quashes the notion that Apple is merging its notebook lines.

That was more blogger trolling than a real rumor anyway. It could happen to some degree one day as a compromise between the lines. I don't think you'd see either continue on in an identical fashion. Assuming you could get enough ports on there and power draws decrease to the point where battery life is essentially a non issue (can go all day and just charge at night), it would make way more sense.

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There are plenty of professional users out there that GPU's don't really mean all that much to to get their work done.  Audio professionals for example.  Not everyone needs super graphics.

 

 

OpenCL and in some cases CUDA are spreading. Eventually this will be a more universal concern.

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That was more blogger trolling than a real rumor anyway. It could happen to some degree one day as a compromise between the lines. I don't think you'd see either continue on in an identical fashion. Assuming you could get enough ports on there and power draws decrease to the point where battery life is essentially a non issue (can go all day and just charge at night), it would make way more sense.

OpenCL and in some cases CUDA are spreading. Eventually this will be a more universal concern.

 

GPUs are used by more and more different types of software. They are HUGE POWERHOUSES to churn through large data sets and math. A CPU is good for complex instructions that deal a lot with "if statements", text and system calls -- but nothing compares to a GPU for crunching a huge dataset.

 

Almost everything in a computer can be broken down into numbers.

 

.... and a huge database, actually uses "bitmaps" to find for instance, which files use the word "together" -- at the very high end, the same tricks that allow a computer to fly through graphics can fly through a database. It's not IF a software app will be optimized for a GPU -- if it has enough need of processing power -- it's only a matter of WHEN.

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They get a lot more traffic, don't they?  If so, it seems like they have a better business model.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that the "better" business model for an Apple website is to ban pro-Apple talk and allow anti-Apple users completely free reign.

 

 

Anyone can make a mistake.

 

But they do get a lot more traffic, don't they?

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Well, no surprise but I was banned from MacRumors.  I would say it is a loss but it really isn't.

 

I am now thinking about starting a series of websites; Microsoft Pro, Android Pro, etc. to discuss how much those products suck.  I have a really excellent example of how this is done.

 

The ban hammer of MacRumors is a badge of distinction amongst technology fans as far as I am concerned.  Really the equivalent of negative campaign ads from the opposing political party; they wouldn't be negative if they weren't concerned.

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Well, no surprise but I was banned from MacRumors.  I would say it is a loss but it really isn't.

 

I am now thinking about starting a series of websites; Microsoft Pro, Android Pro, etc. to discuss how much those products suck.  I have a really excellent example of how this is done.

 

The ban hammer of MacRumors is a badge of distinction amongst technology fans as far as I am concerned.  Really the equivalent of negative campaign ads from the opposing political party; they wouldn't be negative if they weren't concerned.

Why would you (or anyone) waste your time creating hate sites? In case you're wondering, I think smear campaigns are idiocy.

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