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Apple will reportedly debut multiple new MacBook Pro models at the Worldwide Developers Conference in June, each said to sport Retina Display-like screens and high-performance Intel Ivy Bridge processors.

According to Bloomberg sources, the refreshed lineup will indeed feature the widely rumored slim design that will bring the laptop more inline with Apple's popular MacBook Air series.

The sources also mention that flash memory will be used to decrease boot times and extend battery life, though it was not made clear if the new MacBook Pros will rely on pricey solid state drives exclusively as does the MacBook Air.

While the exact dimensions of the supposed next-generation laptop went unreported, rumors have suggested that the design will take cues from the MacBook Air and may do away with the existing optical drive in an effort to give the machine a slim, tapered appearance.

Also "confirmed" was the implementation of Intel's new Ivy Bridge processors which were recently unveiled in April. Built on "the world's first 22nm process" and boasting new 3D transistor technology, the chips are said to be highly-efficient and powerful enough to support 4K resolutions. Intel is initially rolling out the silicon as part of the Core i5 and Core i7 families.

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The inclusion of Intel's powerful new processors could allow for screens with resolutions rivaling those seen on the current iPhone 4 and 4S as well as the new iPad, and rumors have persisted since last year claiming that Apple was working on a Retina Display laptop. Offering further evidence to a possible Retina Display MacBook are the latest OS X Lion updates which brought Hi-DPI UI assets in 10.7.3 and doubled icon resolution in 10.7.4.

Reports from upstream supply chain sources said that mass production of new MacBook Pro models would ramp up starting with the 15-inch model in April followed by a June manufacture for the smaller 13.3-inch unit. No mention of the 17-inch MacBook Pro was made and some predict that Apple will discontinue the large-screened model due to declining shipments.

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Apple is also said to be showing off the "future of iOS and OS X" at WWDC 2012, alluding to a possible unveiling of iOS 6 and more Mountain Lion details. The conference will take place from June 11 through the 15 at Moscone West in San Francisco.
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Where's the mileage in that? As tasty as the idea of being able to say, "As of today, we're updating ALL of our Mac models!" is, I just don't see it, particularly when WWDC SHOULD be about OS X and iOS.

 

Oi, anyone who's paying attention, are the MacBook Air chips out yet?

Because I'm PRETTY sure I've been right all along about what Apple is planning to do, but if the MacBook Air chips have been out for a little while, then I could still be wrong.

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So we'll have a demo of iOS 6, OS X Mountain Lion, and the new SDK with 3rd-party vendors demonstrating what they've done in a just a week at Apple, and a release of new MBPs and new AirPort routers? That seems like a lot to me.

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Intel hasn't released the ULV chips yet. They released the Quad-Core i5 and i7s first, then they will release the ULV and Dual-Core i5 and i7s and then the i3s.

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So we'll have a demo of iOS 6, OS X Mountain Lion, and the new SDK with 3rd-party vendors demonstrating what they've done in a just a week at Apple, and a release of new MBPs and new AirPort routers? That seems like a lot to me.

 

I figure the 802.11ac AirPort family can come along at any point in a silent update, though. Unless they get a nice new case redesign with LiquidMetal, that is. Then I'd want to see them highlighted.

 

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Intel hasn't released the ULV chips yet.

 

Cool, thanks! Do you have a date on that? All I can find is "June 2012".

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The Verge is reporting Nvidia cards not AMD cards...

 

 

Source- http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/14/3020483/new-macbook-pros-confirmed-to-have-nvidia-graphics


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The Verge is reporting Nvidia cards not AMD cards...

 

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Oh, that's just their desktop stuff; never mind. Does anyone think that Apple is going to trust nVidia again, particularly since they lied twice about the quality of the 8600M?

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I figure the 802.11ac AirPort family can come along at any point in a silent update, though. Unless they get a nice new case redesign with LiquidMetal, that is. Then I'd want to see them highlighted.

I probably shouldn't have thrown that in with my main point because without going over 802.11ac and new AirPort routers the amount of stuff they need to cover seems excessive for trying to fit into a 1.5 to 2 hour event. Of course, they can go longer than 2 hours if they want.

As for 802.11ac, I seem to recall Apple being fairly on top of the new standards with new products which are now available. They could release the new MBPs with 802.11ac chips without any new AirPort routers but I hope it's at the same time. If they do that they don't even have to ship them without the 802.11ac drivers, they just have to not advertise that feature until there routers are ready to go. The issue with the 802.11n drivers was that it simply wasn't completed, which may or may not be the case this time.

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So are these new MacBook Pros with the retina display going to come with matching magnifying glasses to help users read the tiny drop-down menus?
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I just got my 13" MacBook Pro about 7 months ago but I will definitely get this if it has that gorgeous retina display that is on the iPad and better graphics than the HD 3000 graphics card.

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So are these new MacBook Pros with the retina display going to come with matching magnifying glasses to help users read the tiny drop-down menus?

 

Sounds like a personal thing. I see the drop down menus clearly. 

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So are these new MacBook Pros with the retina display going to come with matching magnifying glasses to help users read the tiny drop-down menus?

Are you under the impression that everything will be half the size it currently is on displays?

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So we'll have a demo of iOS 6, OS X Mountain Lion, and the new SDK with 3rd-party vendors demonstrating what they've done in a just a week at Apple, and a release of new MBPs and new AirPort routers? That seems like a lot to me.

Yeah.  iOS 6, ML, and (the rumored HW redesign of) MBPs are big enough news to carry their own discreet events.

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Why does it seem odd that Apple would announce new hardware at WWDC? The iPhone 4 was announced there in 2010. People are clamoring for Mac updates so why not announce them then? I'm curious how much of iOS 6 will be revealed since we probably won't see the new iPhone until October.
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Oh, that's just their desktop stuff; never mind. Does anyone think that Apple is going to trust nVidia again, particularly since they lied twice about the quality of the 8600M?

Did Apple blacklist nvidia? If that were the case, I'm sure it'd have been mentioned on this site.

That's in the past. If nvidia has their act together, it isn't something that'll happen again with their new chips.

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I'm curious how much of iOS 6 will be revealed since we probably won't see the new iPhone until October.
Most of it. Developers need time to adapt, which includes Apple's testing of iOS 6.0 via paid developers for stability issues. Typically we've been given 2-3 months of iOS betas before we get an event that demos the new iPhone.

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So are these new MacBook Pros with the retina display going to come with matching magnifying glasses to help users read the tiny drop-down menus?

 

Er no, Apple figured this stuff out in 2010 when the Retina Display enabled iPhone 4 replaced the iPhone 3GS and the user interface elements remained reasonable.

 

What happens is that the operating system doubles the resolution of user interface elements (fonts, menus, buttons, etc.) when it senses that it is connected to a Retina Display.

 

Note that a Retina Display equipped Mac would probably spend months and months as a prototype in a secret lab, so Apple would have time to identify the major usability issues. My guess is that they have had Retina Display enabled prototypes for well over a year, to assess the usability and performance both of the hardware and software, before they make the commitment to move forward in launching it as a real shipping product.

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Oh, that's just their desktop stuff; never mind. Does anyone think that Apple is going to trust nVidia again, particularly since they lied twice about the quality of the 8600M?

 

Both parties were at fault over that crap. nVidia for a half baked attempt at the cards - Apple for not even giving a half baked attempt to resolve the issue.

 

Anyways, if Apple can strike up multi-billion dollar deals with a company it's suing for multi-billions... nothing surprises me anymore.

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I would love to see Apple ditch the optical drive and go with an SSD + HD type set up for the 15" MBP. I am hoping to be able to get a 120GB SSD plus a 750GB HD. If they dump conventional HDs entirely, I will have a problem because I need the extra space. Adding an external HD isn't an option for me because I want a portable system without having to drag around external devices.

 

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Are you under the impression that everything will be half the size it currently is on displays?

 

I don't think he thought this through very well. Or maybe he just doesn't know about HiDPI mode.

 

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My guess is that they have had Retina Display enabled prototypes for well over a year, to assess the usability and performance both of the hardware and software, before they make the commitment to move forward in launching it as a real shipping product.

 

And that would explain why we're already seeing retina icons in Mountain Lion.

 

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Both parties were at fault over that crap. nVidia for a half baked attempt at the cards - Apple for not even giving a half baked attempt to resolve the issue.

 

All I'm reading is your usual anti-Apple crap. Given that Apple gives repairs to faulty machines and replacements for ones that continuously fail, I can't for the life of me figure out how that's a "half-baked attempt". Mind clarifying?

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Most of it. Developers need time to adapt, which includes Apple's testing of iOS 6.0 via paid developers for stability issues. Typically we've been given 2-3 months of iOS betas before we get an event that demos the new iPhone.
But surely they'll save some 'wow' for the actual event (besides unveiling the new form factor).
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But surely they'll save some 'wow' for the actual event (besides unveiling the new form factor).

There will be plenty of new HW that goes far beyond a new form factor, but they usually have some new SW feature that requires the new HW. For instance, if they add a new NFC system ingrained with iOS and an Apple backend that could be big. Or the new mapping system might require more power HW or HW designed by Apple and put in the ASIC that means only the new iPhone gets the new 3D mapping*.


Using the Noia Ovi site that uses C3 on my MBP was slow and janky. I'm not sure what is the problem so I can't rule out a need for new HW to power the new mapping software.

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I would love to see Apple ditch the optical drive and go with an SSD + HD type set up for the 15" MBP. I am hoping to be able to get a 120GB SSD plus a 750GB HD. If they dump conventional HDs entirely, I will have a problem because I need the extra space. Adding an external HD isn't an option for me because I want a portable system without having to drag around external devices.

 

-kpluck

That would be lame.

 

Sure, Apple wants to make more money from iTunes, but artificially limiting the capability of their laptops to do this? No thanks.

 

I use my optical drive every day and need to continue to do so for both personal and professional reasons.  A strictly internet or flash drive based directive won't work for me.

 

I can see it in the Air or an iPad, etc.  But to ditch a useful medium simply to make it thinner cries stupidity. Keep the optical drive in the mainstream laptops please.

 

also, upgrade them to read Blu-ray already.  sheesh.

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That would be lame.

Sure, Apple wants to make more money from iTunes, but artificially limiting the capability of their laptops to do this? No thanks.

I use my optical drive every day and need to continue to do so for both personal and professional reasons.  A strictly internet or flash drive based directive won't work for me.

I can see it in the Air or an iPad, etc.  But to ditch a useful medium simply to make it thinner cries stupidity. Keep the optical drive in the mainstream laptops please.

also, upgrade them to read Blu-ray already.  sheesh.

1) What you'd said was stated by people who were still grasping onto floppy drives years after they should have moved on.

2) It's interesting that you think it's artificially limiting to remove the ODD but it's not not artificially limiting to keep a large (taking up 25% of 13" MBP chassis), noisy, more prone to break due to the moving parts, and power hungry component that very few people use anymore.

3) Blu-ray? Really?!

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I use my optical drive every day and need to continue to do so for both personal and professional reasons.

 

So spend $25 and get an external drive that would be faster than any internal one Apple offers.

 

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also, upgrade them to read Blu-ray already.  sheesh.

 

I'm quite glad I put down my blueberry pomegranate juice in time. That stuff would have STAINED like no other.

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Where's the mileage in that? As tasty as the idea of being able to say, "As of today, we're updating ALL of our Mac models!" is, I just don't see it, particularly when WWDC SHOULD be about OS X and iOS.

 

Oi, anyone who's paying attention, are the MacBook Air chips out yet?

Because I'm PRETTY sure I've been right all along about what Apple is planning to do, but if the MacBook Air chips have been out for a little while, then I could still be wrong.

 

The mileage will be demonstrating these new systems, ready-to-go today, capable of developing your Apples with WWDC released toolkit updates on systems capable of taking advantage of Retina Display from your laptop to your iPhone and iPad.

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I would love to see Apple ditch the optical drive and go with an SSD + HD type set up for the 15" MBP. I am hoping to be able to get a 120GB SSD plus a 750GB HD. If they dump conventional HDs entirely, I will have a problem because I need the extra space. Adding an external HD isn't an option for me because I want a portable system without having to drag around external devices.

-kpluck

If Apple doesn't offer that option in the next MBP, check out Other World Computing. They will sell you a kit to replace the ODD with an SSD so you can get what you're looking for. A 240 GB SSD plus installation kit would cost me $320 - less than paying Apple for a 256 GB SSD ($500). Not only do you save $180, but you get to keep the stock 750 GB drive (you lose the optical drive, though).
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I figure the 802.11ac AirPort family can come along at any point in a silent update, though. Unless they get a nice new case redesign with LiquidMetal, that is. Then I'd want to see them highlighted.

 

 

 

Cool, thanks! Do you have a date on that? All I can find is "June 2012".

 http://wayerlesslabs.com/intel-ultrabooks-with-ivy-bridge-ulv-arrive-on-june-5/

 

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I figure the 802.11ac AirPort family can come along at any point in a silent update, though. Unless they get a nice new case redesign with LiquidMetal, that is. Then I'd want to see them highlighted.

 

 

 

Cool, thanks! Do you have a date on that? All I can find is "June 2012".

 http://wayerlesslabs.com/intel-ultrabooks-with-ivy-bridge-ulv-arrive-on-june-5/

 

Intel says that on 5 June this year will be the official date of the debut of its new microprocessor-ULV Ivy Bridge, which will be available in a large variety of at least 75 new models Ultrabooks art, with prices from U.S. $ 699.

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Where's the mileage in that? As tasty as the idea of being able to say, "As of today, we're updating ALL of our Mac models!" is, I just don't see it, particularly when WWDC SHOULD be about OS X and iOS.

 

Oi, anyone who's paying attention, are the MacBook Air chips out yet?

Because I'm PRETTY sure I've been right all along about what Apple is planning to do, but if the MacBook Air chips have been out for a little while, then I could still be wrong.

 

Like I said in my other post, digitimes is trolling you. They're just blanketing rumors in case one of them turns out to be true, and they accomplished their goal. The rumors have been reposted all over mac enthusiast sites.

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So are these new MacBook Pros with the retina display going to come with matching magnifying glasses to help users read the tiny drop-down menus?

Sounds like someone hasn't been playing along at home.

Retina displays come with new graphics so everything is the same size, just crisper

Oh and my money says no to a WWDC reveal. Apple is taking it back to software. The only hardware details they might reveal about anything are those that will be spoiled by the software betas, but that's it

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3) Blu-ray? Really?!

I kind of feel the same way

But what I would like to see is better audio in the iTunes 1080 files.plus more features sets, multi language audio and subtitles. Required cc in all items as well as getting everything up to 720 and 1080. Plus get the freaking Extras working on Apple TV nd at least the iPad if not the iPhone. Get tv shows to do similar features and get nets like HBO to stop holding episodes for the disc release. Same time international at time of first airing and better pricing wouldn't be bad ever.

If they did all that they could be a viable alternative to cable for many

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That would be lame.

 

Sure, Apple wants to make more money from iTunes, but artificially limiting the capability of their laptops to do this? No thanks.

 

I use my optical drive every day and need to continue to do so for both personal and professional reasons.  A strictly internet or flash drive based directive won't work for me.

 

I can see it in the Air or an iPad, etc.  But to ditch a useful medium simply to make it thinner cries stupidity. Keep the optical drive in the mainstream laptops please.

 

also, upgrade them to read Blu-ray already.  sheesh.

 

You are entitled to your preferences. Don't let others here belittle you.

 

Having said that, don't despair yet. There's a good chance Apple may keep the current versions of MBP (at least the 15") even if they release a new one. So you may have your cake too while others eat thinner slices.

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Sounds like someone hasn't been playing along at home.
Retina displays come with new graphics so everything is the same size, just crisper
Oh and my money says no to a WWDC reveal. Apple is taking it back to software. The only hardware details they might reveal about anything are those that will be spoiled by the software betas, but that's it


Not playing along, or perhaps participating in a productive, happy life. There's a universe of intelligent, well-informed people out there who don't follow every nugget of Apple news.

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Obviously they will not discontinue the 17" Macbook Pro. It sits awkward in the portfolio due to its higher mark-up so expect it to be re-positioned in pricing.
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What happens is that the operating system doubles the resolution of user interface elements (fonts, menus, buttons, etc.) when it senses that it is connected to a Retina Display.

Good to know. Thanks!

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