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Rumor: Apple's 7.85" iPad will use thin-film touch technology

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The rumored 7.85-inch iPad will launch in the fourth quarter of this year and will feature "G/F2" thin-film touch technology, allowing the device to be thinner and less expensive than previous models, according to a new report.

The sometimes-reliable DigiTimes reported on Tuesday Nitto will supply the thin-film materials and Nissha Printing and TPK will produce touchscreens for Apple's so-called "iPad Mini." Wintek will reportedly not be part of the supply chain, as it does not have thin-film touch capacity.

The rumored "G/F2" design will reportedly reduce costs, and also allow Apple to make the new iPad even thinner than the current third-generation iPad, or the iPad 2. The technology uses one less layer of film than the "G/F/F," or "glass/film/film," structure found in previous iPads.

"The G/F2 structure places the electrode on the top and bottom ends of the ITO film, which will then be laminated onto the cover glass," the report said. "The iPad Mini will also be more transparent and will have good sensitivity despite current skepticism with thin-film touch panels in the industry."

AppleInsider previously reported in April that Apple's next-generation iPhone is also expected to use new touchscreen technology that will allow the device to be thinner. By switching from current glass-on-glass solutions to in-cell touch technology, Apple could reduce the thickness of the iPhone by 0.44 millimeters, or allow more space for a larger battery.



As for the rumored 7.85-inch iPad, the device has been rumored to have a screen resolution of 1,024 by 768 pixels, which is the same resolution as the first-generation iPad and the iPad 2. That would allow current applications written for the iPad to run on a new, smaller device without any modifications.

Various reports have reaffirmed that Apple has experimented with a 7.85-inch iPad, which would have a height roughly the same as the width of the current 9.7-inch iPad. A smaller, less expensive model would allow Apple to compete more directly with Amazon's $199 Kindle Fire.
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And each one will come with it's very own solid gold Apple.

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This brings up a question for me - does anyone know whether the touch resolution (or sensitivity) of the iPad surface is? Has it changed since the implementation of Retina Display?
 

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And each one will come with it's very own solid gold Apple.

 

 

There does appear to be demand for a 7" iPad.   Why walk away from customers waving dollars in their face?   Apple would be a fool not to cater to this audience.

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I've never been one to say "this is news?" or critique rumor sites reporting on news, but come on — it's from Digitimes. "Sometimes reliable" is an understatement. "Almost-never reliable" is more accurate. Maybe each article can have a credibility rating in the headline so we can know which to ignore.

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"Sometimes reliable DigiTimes" ... heh.  That's like saying that I "might be dating Penelope Cruz."

 

Anyways, I'm still not convinced that there will be a 7" iPad, or what niche it would really fill.  

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As long as we're making things up...

 

It will be powered by Methane collected from your farts.

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SHOULD THIS FORM FACTOR MATERIALIZE, it could be quite appealing to many of us. I say this if Apple can actually produce a thinner iPad Mini, with thinner meaning lighter as well, keep the battery life up to 8 hours or more and price it south of $300, I would be very tempted myself to buy one even without the retina display. 

 

Keep in mind too that this is not a 7-inch tablet like the Kindle Fire or Nook but rather a 7.85-inch tablet. By my imprecise calculations a 7.85-inch iPad Mini would yield a viewing area of over 60% of the 9.7-inch iPad rather than the tad less than 50% viewing area of a 7-inch model. The increased real estate size of a 7.85-inch versus a 7inch model I think would be noticeable and probably result in a more pleasurable experience.


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Why, in heavens name, would Apple care about the dropping (like a stone) demand for the Kindle???  

 

Apple is not the LOW COST LEADER selling every possible option.   Just because some idiot anal..... yst says its so to get hits on his site does not make it so.   

 

Apple, we will sell insanely great products... when they are ready. 

 

Just a thought,

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As long as we're making things up...

 

It will be powered by Methane collected from your farts.

 

Great! Mine will be at 100% all the time!

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Apple offers different screen sizes for their iMac, so why are different screen sizes for iPad and iPhone such a silly idea?

 

Choice > No Choice

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DigiTimes.

 

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The sometimes-reliable DigiTimes

 

Don't make me laugh.

 

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The increased real estate size of a 7.85-inch versus a 7inch model I think would be noticeable and probably result in a more pleasurable experience.

 

Until you actually try to use the device, sure.

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I, personally, love my iPad 1, but would really love it more if it were smaller and lighter. I'd buy one of these smaller form factor iPads.

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Apple offers different screen sizes for their iMac, so why are different screen sizes for iPad and iPhone such a silly idea?

 

Choice > No Choice

 

Because interacting with a keyboard/mouse driven interface is quite different than interacting with a touch-driven device.

 

Also, the difference between developing applications for a 24" screen or a 27" screen is essentially non-existent.  Developing apps for differently sized devices, however, is a different matter.

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SHOULD THIS FORM FACTOR MATERIALIZE, it could be quite appealing to many of us. I say this if Apple can actually produce a thinner iPad Mini, with thinner meaning lighter as well, keep the battery life up to 8 hours or more and price it south of $300, I would be very tempted myself to buy one even without the retina display. 

 

Keep in mind too that this is not a 7-inch tablet like the Kindle Fire or Nook but rather a 7.85-inch tablet. By my imprecise calculations a 7.85-inch iPad Mini would yield a viewing area of over 60% of the 9.7-inch iPad rather than the tad less than 50% viewing area of a 7-inch model. The increased real estate size of a 7.85-inch versus a 7inch model I think would be noticeable and probably result in a more pleasurable experience.

 

Over 65% actually. The difference between a 7" and 7.85" doesn't sound that much but it is substantial in terms of what matters  - screen area.

 

When rounding it really be referred to a a potential 8" rather than 7" device.

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I purchased a iPad 2 on the day it was released.  I recently purchased a refurbished Kindle Fire since I am a Amazon Prime member.  

 

IMO, the Kindle Fire screen is really too small.  I guess for reading its okay, but for web surfing, games, videos, and apps, the 7" screen is really too small.

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I purchased a iPad 2 on the day it was released.  I recently purchased a refurbished Kindle Fire since I am a Amazon Prime member.  

 

IMO, the Kindle Fire screen is really too small.  I guess for reading its okay, but for web surfing, games, videos, and apps, the 7" screen is really too small.

 

It's a personal preference. Some people would see more positives than negatives in a form factor that is smaller than the current iPad but larger than an iPhone. Others, like yourself, not so much.

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Until you actually try to use the device, sure.

I don't think it will be that bad. It's certainly not that hard to use iOS on a 3.5" iPhone and a 7.85" iPad would have over 4 times the area. There are plenty of things I do on my iPad that would be just fine with a 35% reduction in area. Not everything, but enough to make it attractive to a lot of people.
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There does appear to be demand for a 7" iPad.   Why walk away from customers waving dollars in their face?   Apple would be a fool not to cater to this audience.

 

That is debatable. Perhaps from the "Anal"ist there is demand but Apple will not create a product with substandard user experience. But my comment was about Digitimes which is NEVER right about Apple predictions. I do not tend to believe a rumor unless unaltered photos showing a 7" iPad frame next to a current model are with it.

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Until you actually try to use the device, sure.

I don't think it will be that bad. It's certainly not that hard to use iOS on a 3.5" iPhone and a 7.85" iPad would have over 4 times the area. There are plenty of things I do on my iPad that would be just fine with a 35% reduction in area. Not everything, but enough to make it attractive to a lot of people.

I don't think that screen size is big enough to express great tablet apps.  

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Why oh why do you guys keep publishing "rumors" from Digitimes.  I have only been following Apple for a few years now, but those guys have very very rarely been right. And I am talking about some generic guesses like "Apple will release the iPad in the spring, summer, fall, etc." Obviously! One of those guesses will be right.

 

Digitimes prints outright lies that they conjure up. Then this lie is repeated through the blogosphere and people begin to take it as truth. APPLE WILL NOT RELEASE A 7 INCH IPAD! That rumor has been going around since the FIRST iPad! 3 years later, still nothing!

 

Digitimes has such a notorious record, a Times writer felt the need to call it out.

 

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http://techland.time.com/2012/05/14/digitimes-apple-rumors/

 

 

I want actual rumors, not BS or at best highly speculative hypothesizing by a group with such a dismal record of being even close to the ballpark. 

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Apple offers different screen sizes for their iMac, so why are different screen sizes for iPad and iPhone such a silly idea?

 

Choice > No Choice

Choice is only good after Apple decides to give you a choice.  Before Apple decides to give you a choice, choice is bad.  So right now there is no reason why anyone should want an iPad Mini, but if Apple creates one, it will be magical.

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Choice is only good after Apple decides to give you a choice.  Before Apple decides to give you a choice, choice is bad.  So right now there is no reason why anyone should want an iPad Mini, but if Apple creates one, it will be magical.

 

It's a myth that more choice is always good, anyways.

 

Consistency is a positive, and while choice can be good, it can also confuse matters.  

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Why is this story under "Genius Bar"?
 

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Because interacting with a keyboard/mouse driven interface is quite different than interacting with a touch-driven device.
Sure but interacting with touch screens is very much the same.
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Also, the difference between developing applications for a 24" screen or a 27" screen is essentially non-existent.  Developing apps for differently sized devices, however, is a different matter.

Baloney! IOS is resolution independent, there is nothing to get excited about when it comes to different screen sizes. Well at least for developers following Apples developer guidelines. Honestly folks Appple made it clear to developers years ago that different sized and resolution devices where possible in the future.
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Choice is only good after Apple decides to give you a choice.  Before Apple decides to give you a choice, choice is bad.  So right now there is no reason why anyone should want an iPad Mini, but if Apple creates one, it will be magical.

 

The issue most of the forum members have with the idea of a 7" or 8" iPad is that the exclusive source of all such rumors has been DigiTimes.  As forum member, shrfu31, notes DigiTimes has a less than stellar record of Apple predictions and provides a link to an article discussing their trustworthiness as a source.

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This brings up a question for me - does anyone know whether the touch resolution (or sensitivity) of the iPad surface is? Has it changed since the implementation of Retina Display?
 

 

It has not.  In code, applications refer to points, not pixels. A finger touches a point, not a pixel. The fact that on a retina display a "point" consists of 4 pixels is essentially irrelevant/unavailable to the developer creating apps (with the exception of providing double-resolution images where necessary). 


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I don't think that screen size is big enough to express great tablet apps.  

That is like saying the iPhone is too small to express great apps. Reality is though that some Variants of iOS apps are actually better on an iPhone versus the iPad. Sometimes constraints force developers to think hard about functionality. Beyond that if a device is too big for certain uses it doesn't matter how good the apps are, physical limitations will keep it from consideration.
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The issue most of the forum members have with the idea of a 7" or 8" iPad is that the exclusive source of all such rumors has been DigiTimes.  As forum member, shrfu31, notes DigiTimes has a less than stellar record of Apple predictions and provides a link to an article discussing their trustworthiness as a source.

DigiTimes doesn't predict anything, rather they report everything that comes their way. There is a big difference. It is up to the reader to provide his own reasoning skills to determine if something is valid or not. Beyond that I was under the impression that the 7" iPad rumors started someplace else and further DigiTimes isn't a sole source here.
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It's a myth that more choice is always good, anyways.

 

Consistency is a positive, and while choice can be good, it can also confuse matters.  

 

Exactly!  At my last count there were 136 Android-based phones by 36 consumer electronics companies.  Notably, Android fans tout the freedom of the platform but when discussing performance only discuss the premium, marquee smartphones of three manufacturers (HTC, Motorola, Samsung).  If choice was so good they would be discussing Huawei and ZTE smartphones as well.  More choice isn't always better.

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"Rumor: Apple's 7.85" iPad will use thin-film touch technology"

The problem is, there won't be a 7.85" iPad. So it's a rumor about a rumor.

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DigiTimes.

 

 

Don't make me laugh.

 

 

Until you actually try to use the device, sure.

 

I laughed pretty hard when I scrolled down and saw what I knew was coming.  I think I would have blown coffee out my nose had it been large enough that the DI and ES had disappeared off the sides.  While I don't mind reading their usually unsubstantiated rumors, it does seem fair to suggest that maybe Apple Insider should simply post "Digitimes" in an overblown font, skip the "rumors," and let us cut right to the commenting.  I enjoy reading them a lot more, anyway.

 

Edit: My god, I misspelled "nose."  One of those days.

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Because interacting with a keyboard/mouse driven interface is quite different than interacting with a touch-driven device.
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Also, the difference between developing applications for a 24" screen or a 27" screen is essentially non-existent. Developing apps for differently sized devices, however, is a different matter.

Baloney! IOS is resolution independent, there is nothing to get excited about when it comes to different screen sizes. Well at least for developers following Apples developer guidelines. Honestly folks Appple made it clear to developers years ago that different sized and resolution devices where possible in the future.Baloney! IOS is resolution independent, there is nothing to get excited about when it comes to different screen sizes. Well at least for developers following Apples developer guidelines. Honestly folks Appple made it clear to developers years ago that different sized and resolution devices where possible in the future.

 

Wizard69, you are wrong on all points (or I'm misunderstanding you).

 

iOS is not resolution independent.  Developers have to specifically code for 2 different screen sizes (and account for the double-resolution retina display).  The first thing you decide when you start a new project is iPhone/iPod touch only; iPad only; or "universal."  From that point on, every screen is designed around one or both of those screen layouts.  When designing for the iPad, you know you have a bigger screen to work with and you size all the UI components correspondingly to they can be comfortably tapped/dragged without being needlessly large.  To all of a sudden have your app presented on a device with a smaller screen will affect usability.

 

In theory Apple could introduce a third format with a new resolution between that of the iPhone and the iPad, but there has been zero evidence of them suggesting they will do that any time soon and it would a very big deal for developers.  Every iPad and universal app would have to be updated or at least reviewed.

 

I can imagine Apple giving developers a few months notice that they should review their iPad apps to make sure they would still work fine if the pixels were closer together (i.e., same height and width in terms of points, but smaller in terms of inches).  But I don't expect this.

 

I would be very surprised if Apple announced a third "tweener" format with different logical dimensions.  That would be a nightmare for developers and for Apple to try to manage.

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If Apple indeed comes with a mini iPad to compete with the Kindle Fire, then in my view Apple went from Leader to Follower less than a year after Steve Jobs' death. Sad indeed.

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There does appear to be demand for a 7" iPad.   Why walk away from customers waving dollars in their face?   Apple would be a fool not to cater to this audience.

 

Is there really? After all Apple is selling their 10" iPads like crazy while the other boys with their 7" tablets don't see to be making a real dent in the game. Given that it's hard to say that there's a huge market. Seems like the folks really buying at that smaller level are getting ebook readers because they don't care about the other bells. Apple making a 7" iPad isn't likely to grab them since it's way more than they want. 

 

And consider the costs of fragmenting their product lines versus trying to persuade folks that yes in fact they do want the 10" iPad. Apple wanted the schools for example so they had tools made that fit that screen, they keep the iPad 2 base models at a cheaper price and they got the textbook companies to publicly announce they have bought into creating for the 10 inch iPad. Rather than making a cheaper, smaller model iPad to entice the schools. Same for businesses etc. 

 

I don't doubt that Apple tried a number of sizes for the iPad. I don't doubt that Apple might think about revamping the iPod Touch to be a bit larger. I don't doubt that Apple is testing various displays etc to find ones that are crisper, less reflective, less prone to scratches etc. Even thinner and lighter so they can either make the whole device thinner or have more room for battery etc. But testing doesn't equal using. Some things fail the test and end up on the shelf of rejected prototypes just above the shelf of patents Apple has but is never planning to use in their own products (but has no issue with licensing to others so they make a little cash off the IP)

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Choice is only good after Apple decides to give you a choice.  Before Apple decides to give you a choice, 

 

You always had a choice. Apple's stuff or someone else's. 

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DigiTimes.

 

 

Don't make me laugh.

 

Needs this with it. 

 

for when something is so stupid it's not worth raising your hand

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If Apple indeed comes with a mini iPad to compete with the Kindle Fire, then in my view Apple went from Leader to Follower less than a year after Steve Jobs' death. Sad indeed.

 

... and if Apple does make a smaller form factor iPad and it turns out to be a hot seller with high margin... then who gives a shit about leader/follower.

 

Actually, Apple would still be a leader if the above scenario played out. I'll let you figure it out.

 

I'll tell you what is sad... oh, never mind...

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I don't think that screen size is big enough to express great tablet apps.  

 

 

while generally I think that ZZZ is a twerp who just rattles off stuff to get attention, I think he's right on this one. When you are talking about tablet apps, the experience isn't the same. And yes a 7-8" screen very possibly isn't prime which is why Apple rejected it and Steve Jobs expressed that rejection publicly 

 

But I also agree with those that say that sometimes things are better smaller. by way of example, some of you might be familiar with an iOS game called Temple Run. My little brother adores it. For those that don't know, it's a first person runner/shooter where you use various flicks to turn, jump and slide around. you can also tilt your device to pick up coins, run along broken walls etc. At first he was playing it on my iPad. very pretty big graphics, a bear when you needed to tilt to avoid falling off something too wide of a gap to jump over. When I got my new iPhone I decided to give him my old one and that was the first game we put on it. way way better to play on the iPhone, although my brother wishes they would do a dual screen where he can use the iPhone as his controller and still see the pretty graphics. or better yet, support airplay so he can put it on the tv. 

on the flip side, he won't play Draw Something on the iPhone because it's too small. he hates reading on the iPhone (again too small) and so on. Those are better bigger. Same with things like iMovie, iPhoto, general sketching. I often film and take photos at work with my iPhone because it's easier to keep steady. but then it goes on my iPad for the labeling, editing and such. 

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If Apple indeed comes with a mini iPad to compete with the Kindle Fire, then in my view Apple went from Leader to Follower less than a year after Steve Jobs' death. Sad indeed.

 

If Apple comes out with a 5-7" device it won't be to compete with anyone but to fill some need that folks might not even realize they have until Apple tells them how the new device is filling it. And it will be soooo far above the Fire that it won't be competing with but more schooling Amazon on what they should have done. Just as Steve designed said product before he died (yeah you read that right, tech takes so long to go from idea to product that 'Steve Jobs' Apple' won't end for a good 3-4 years more)

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