Originally Posted by bloggerblog
The display and required graphic power will drain the battery in half the time. So instead of getting 7 hrs of battery in a MBP, it'll be more like 3.5 hrs.
Very fuzzy math. "Pixel doubling" as used in the new iPad is not required to reach "Retina" quality in the Mac lines as noted below, and the ODD will be gone in at least the notebooks. With the new form factors, tho, not certain how much extra space (if any) will be available for batteries. However, as noted in the thread, batteries are improving (not as fast as other components unfortunately, but improving).
And I for one expect the ODD's to be gone in the AIO's as well - just as the floppies exited - since they're used by a shrinking minority of users. In all things Apple, thin is in, even if 20-30% (including me) will own an external ODD for a few situations for a bit yet - e.g., to access some legacy content I have on them.
But they are on the way out. Thumb drives with the capacity of a DVD-R are now frequent giveaways at trade shows, i.e., they're getting really cheap, and the new "send a link" features in free online storage/sharing services like DropBox, and pure sending via sites like "Yousendit.com" are combining to "superannuate" the now ever-more-archaic CD and DVD-Rs altogether. I'm now sending these links to friends all the time instead of burning discs and attaching files to emails. Faster, simpler and FREE.
SSD's are, I believe, more power efficient than HDD's as well (speaking at least when they're "the drive" - not in terms of bits per watt or something like that). I'm personally a little fuzzy myself on power efficiency gains in Ivy Bridge, but with Haswell being the "tock" cycle to Ivy's "tick," more power efficiency is on the way. And then there's the cost of components to achieve all this "resolutionary" magic. So the screens we're variously salivating over and complaining about here could still be a year away. Or not.
But crisper displays at human eye friendly element sizes are inevitable. And it looks as if Apple will be a, if not the, leader in this trend.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
The PPI in and of itself has no barring on if it's a Retina Display or not. You have to also include the distance the eyes are from the display.
Here is a chart that shows that the larger the display the closer we have been to having Retina quality displays.
As you say, there are no tech that can feasibly double the current iMac displays which is why it will be a double of the smaller resolution noted already. This means that the elements on the screen will be slightly larger because they will have a 1x PPI that is smaller (even though it's unbelievably more crisp). Personally I prefer that which is why I never bought a HiRes MBP in the past as it just made the elements too small for my liking.
There appears to be some confusion on many people's parts about the various terms being thrown about, e.g., "HiDpi," "Resolution Independent," Retina Display, Pixel Doubling, etc. There's also manifest mis-info on "real estate" vs. "resolution." A HiDpi display, though, will very likely not function in the same way as previous increases in Mac screen resolution which allowed more of said real estate though at smaller element sizes in a given screen size.
I admittedly don't understand all that's involved either - but I think I grok that lots of re-engineering will be required at the OS level to avoid having to buy new "retinized" versions of all my previous software or else have to stare at lots of tiny elements. OS X is based on decades old concepts of a computer OS. I've read that at the moment there's a mix on test bed machines using the limited number of things, e.g., the new higher-res icons and other parts of what's displayed. June (or a bit later) seems ambitious to pull all this together, but that's why I'm an amateur forum poster and not an Apple engineer.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
The graphics probably can't handle it on either the desktops or laptops… and the laptops will destroy their battery life!
We're JUST getting rid of the optical drive right now to make room for a bigger battery. Do we REALLY want super high-res displays to get rid of the benefits of that new battery?!
HASWELL. I just remembered. Haswell's supposed to give us 24 hours of battery life. What if instead we get 12 hours of battery life and HiDPI displays with Haswell?!
I'm liking that. It gives display manufacturers the time to actually MAKE these displays and it gives Apple time to get situated with their ODD-free computers with bigger batteries.
Discussed above - but if Apple can jump the gun - make a thinner, higher-res (with usable elements), faster pro at current price points with reasonable battery life, they almost certainly will. But they might settle for the new form factor, processor family, 811ac (and who knows, maybe LTE), plus more tie-ins to an improved iCloud as the talking points (and add the rest of the wish list with Haswell and the next cat). Also, whether "independent" or "hi" or not, I doubt they'll let Samsung and/or or Dell "out-res" them in the 15" model.
Originally Posted by ascii
You don't have to run it in Retina mode.
See above, but actually if "Retina mode" comes to the Mac it will be the default, and while Macs have long had alternate display modes besides their "native mode," not sure how this will function in some new res-independent approach to screen display.
Given the Eizo $36K price point and the cost of SSD storage, this could take a bit to become consumer mainstream. However recent shows have been loaded with 4K cams as low as $2500 - down from $25,000 about two years ago, 4K does seem to be on the way. Not just yet though....
Originally Posted by wally626
Several current Macs are very close to "Retina" now. My guess would be Apple going to 4K displays on the larger iMacs (3800'ish horizontal) and at least 144 dpi on the portables. They could then go back to a 72 DPI (x2) default display resolution and get back to WYSIWYG. Right now with a screen at about 109 DPI I usually view documents at 150%. A 144 DPI display I could view at 2X for the same size document text, but much clearer text, and larger interface features. People who want to cram as much info as possible as possible on the screen can view documents at 75%, 50% etc.
Good point. It is easy to blow up browser, doc and pic size elements on PC's. And if Apple's already upsized the icons they're probably doing the same on other standard UI elements like menus, info balloons, etc. And workarounds are already emerging: http://www.macworld.com/article/1166811/automatically_zoom_safari_pages_on_launch.html
Originally Posted by MacMichiel
Can i have my new Mac Pro first please ???
Even with "sugar on top" I kind of doubt it. Still, even if Apple's phasing out of the "semi-truck" line it makes sense to release at least one more rev with TB to extend the working life among all the dedicated pros. That one could extend the lifetime of the current long-in-the-tooth model for at least as long as it's been out because of the ability to upgrade various components via TB. One thing I don't know is whether it's sensible to include a TB bus INSIDE the machine as well as in a port..
One more factor is that Intel's announced that an all-optical upgrade is in the works and Apple might wait for that.
Or they might just exit the "workstation" business. Doesn't make sense to me to not allow Mac users to make an upgrade to machines suitable for truly professional production work - which has long been part of their "aura" and abandon their "traditional base" when it seems like it could still be profitable, if a small component of their profits - but their bread and butter is now consumer electronics and they are a focused company.
Edited by bigpics - 5/15/12 at 12:44pm