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If a 4" screen were to be true (and I can see this being perfectly possible), then perhaps we will at some point get a smaller iPhone to please the moaners who will undoubtedly say 4" is too large. 3" same aspect? Maybe.

 

No one really knows what Apple will do but personally, I would prefer they keep the screen the same size but reduce the size of the phone itself.  The current iPhone could easily shrink by a quarter inch in both width and height and keep the exact same screen (edge to edge).  

 

Regardless of what happens, it kind of puzzles me that no one suggest this since this is precisely the way Apple usually operates.  they decide on the minimum useable size for a component like a screen and a keyboard and then try to shrink the device around that.  They've done it over and over again with multiple products.  

 

Again, no one knows what they are thinking here but the probabilities and the odds lie with them *shrinking* the iPhone, not making it bigger. 

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Who wants a taller phone that has a different aspect ratio? If they're going to have a bigger screen, they'll keep the same aspect ratio IMO.

 

I agree.  

 

It would be just barely possible to fit a 4" screen in the current enclosure if the screen was edge to edge.

That would counter the "too big to reach across" argument somewhat and is the only thing that makes sense to me if they are indeed going for a 4" screen. 

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I think Apple is going from selling a retina iPhone and a retina iPad to a range comprising a big top of the line retina iPhone (same res, same aspect ratio, just bigger) ...

 

Just being picky here, but if the resolution is the same and the phone is bigger then it would probably fail to be a "retina iPhone" by definition.  

It only just barely makes the bar at the moment, if the screen was bigger you would have to have longer arms to put it back into the retina category, no? 

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And the highly reliable source cited by the WSJ article?

 

"...people familiar with the situation..."

 

Clickbait journalism at its finest.

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You don't seem to know what you are talking about.

 

- Well-written apps should not be coded to one specific screen size.

- The processor is completely irrelevant

- The GPU is completely irrelevant

- RAM capacity is slightly more of an issue, but again a combination of the OS itself and well-written apps can work around it (you do know ocmputers page memory out to disk, don't you?)

 

The issues you're complaining about are the ones plaguing Android, not iOS.  An increased screen size may impact a few games and possibly other full-screen apps, but any app developer worth his salary should not be taking any notice of the screen dimensions or aspect ratio.

When you have games like nova 3 and infinity blade, and you consider the improvements to multi-tasking that will no doubt come as technology and battery life increases, i highly doubt you can seriously say that the processor and the GPU are irrelevant. 

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I find this, and it's sister rumor, the 7" iPad, just won't die, apparently. The most frequent specious arguments for it are along the lines of:

* everyone else is doing it
* Apple is losing (some unquantified number of) sales by not doing it
* the current size is too small|big for purpose x
* one size isn't right for everyone (whereas some other particular size apparently is right for, again, some unquantified number of people)

None of these are compelling reasons for Apple to produce the rumored sized devices and there are numerous downsides for developers, consumers and Apple to producing devices with larger|smaller|different sized|proportioned screens. By their own testimony, Apple put a lot of effort into determining the optimal size for these devices before they ever released them. It doesn't seem to make any sense that they would just toss that all out the window simply because someone else made a device a different size or because a handful of people clamor for larger|smaller devices, especially given the facts that 3.5" phones and 9.7" tablets are outselling the competition at any other specific size points by very wide margins.

Just curious - if selling millions of units of a new device isn't a compelling argument, then what is?

You can, of course, argue that unless someone is holding a gun to Apple's head, NOTHING is a compelling argument for change. That isn't a very useful argument, though.

4" screen:
If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there? And there IS an upside.

7" iPad:
After the iPad, the top selling tablets on the market are all around 7". Clearly, the market is large. So what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?

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Talking out of your ass again I see.

I mean MY GOD.  When Apple comes out with a 4 inch screen, you'll stop talking against it, and instead you'll be talking about how much of a genius Apple is for it. Oh and YES, going from 3.5 to 4 inches IS a big difference.  Hell, I just went from 4 to 4.3 and I notice a difference.

Yes, the iPhone is selling at 3.5 just fine, but lots of people have said they would like bigger screens, so it will just sell EVEN BETTER.  What's wrong with that?

:facepalm:

 

I notice that you couldn't refute anything I said. And where did I say that Apple wouldn't go to a 4" screen? I said that they wouldn't go to a 5.3" screen, but even you ought to be able to tell the difference.

3.5" to 4"? For most people, that's "well, that's nice, but it's not that big of a deal".
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post #47 of 85
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The current 3.5" screen is WAAAYYY too tiny

 

Explaining why no one buys it. Oh, wait, people buy iPhones more than any larger Android phone.

 

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That is 2 screen sizes, three resolutions, 6 processors, not sure how many diff GPUs, 2 varying RAM capacities (3 if they put a gig in the iphone 5).

Seems like the work for developers just keeps increasing.

 

Except no, the only devices for which developers have to develop are the ones that run the current version of iOS.

 

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3"

 

That's nonsense. 

 

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If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there?

 

The inability to use it with one hand.

 

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Clearly, the market is large

 

The iPad has over 7/10 of the market. The rest is full of MORE 10" devices, plus 7" ones. We don't know how big that market actually is, but it's pathetically small, and that's even taking into account shipped and "sold". Apparently only 5% of devices USED are anything but the iPad.

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Yeah it seems like if they're ordering them now, there might not be time to really incorporate them in the next version, but we may have a pleasant surprise.

I hope so.

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That's nonsense. 

 

I didn't say it as fact. Get off your horse.


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I didn't say it as fact.

 

I didn't say you did. lol.gif

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No one really knows what Apple will do but personally, I would prefer they keep the screen the same size but reduce the size of the phone itself.  The current iPhone could easily shrink by a quarter inch in both width and height and keep the exact same screen (edge to edge).  

 

Regardless of what happens, it kind of puzzles me that no one suggest this since this is precisely the way Apple usually operates.  they decide on the minimum useable size for a component like a screen and a keyboard and then try to shrink the device around that.  They've done it over and over again with multiple products.  

 

Again, no one knows what they are thinking here but the probabilities and the odds lie with them *shrinking* the iPhone, not making it bigger. 

 

Yep, I would say this scenario more probable. I made a photoshop of a shrunken device using the same size display a while back, and it looked pretty sleek.

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You don't seem to know what you are talking about.

 

- Well-written apps should not be coded to one specific screen size.

- The processor is completely irrelevant

- The GPU is completely irrelevant

- RAM capacity is slightly more of an issue, but again a combination of the OS itself and well-written apps can work around it (you do know ocmputers page memory out to disk, don't you?)

 

The issues you're complaining about are the ones plaguing Android, not iOS.  An increased screen size may impact a few games and possibly other full-screen apps, but any app developer worth his salary should not be taking any notice of the screen dimensions or aspect ratio.

"- Well-written apps should not be coded to one specific screen size."

 

If the pixels are all the same (or an integral multiple), it really doesn't matter.

 

"- RAM capacity is slightly more of an issue, but again a combination of the OS itself and well-written apps can work around it (you do know ocmputers page memory out to disk, don't you?)"

 

Unless I am mistaken, iOS swaps entire applications to and from flash but I don't believe there is any capability in iOS to extend virtual RAM size for a given application using paging. Of course, it's been a couple of years since I looked at this so this could be obsolete info by now. However, I thought there was a hard limit with respect to RAM availability for a given application.

 

I really don't see the number of pixels changing for the active screen area. However, I could see Apple dropping the home button and putting a touch screen in that area to handle the home button's chores (and possibly adding other functions in that area of the screen).

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I didn't say you did. lol.gif

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It's a shame you have let the position of 'Global Moderator' go to your head recently.

 

And now I have no clue what you're on about.

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post #55 of 85

Sure hope they don't go to 5 rows (+ dock).

As I swipe page to page to page, I am able to visually "scan";

View top 2 rows / bottom 2 rows. Next page 

View top 2 rows / bottom 2 rows. Next page

View top 2 rows / bottom 2 rows. Next page

 

If the rows get broken into 3 rows + 2 rows it's visually fatiguing. I would rather have the larger screen utilize larger icons instead.

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Just curious - if selling millions of units of a new device isn't a compelling argument, then what is?
You can, of course, argue that unless someone is holding a gun to Apple's head, NOTHING is a compelling argument for change. That isn't a very useful argument, though.
4" screen:
If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there? And there IS an upside.
7" iPad:
After the iPad, the top selling tablets on the market are all around 7". Clearly, the market is large. So what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?
I notice that you couldn't refute anything I said. And where did I say that Apple wouldn't go to a 4" screen? I said that they wouldn't go to a 5.3" screen, but even you ought to be able to tell the difference.
3.5" to 4"? For most people, that's "well, that's nice, but it's not that big of a deal".

 

I agree, time for Ferrari, Porsche, and BMW to realize there is no compelling reason not to start competing with KIA. They can sell millions more units, and there isn't a compelling argument for them not to. Clearly the market for non-luxury brands is immense, so what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?

 

Those companies don't care what the competition is up to. They do what they think best, and so does Apple. I doubt anyone mentions or cares about what happens at Samsung and Google. They are asking themselves what more they can do to improve their products.

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Yep, I would say this scenario more probable. I made a photoshop of a shrunken device using the same size display a while back, and it looked pretty sleek.

There comes a point where a device can be too small. It's not automatically a good thing for a device to become so small that really it's meant for a species other than humans. The last time I checked, humans made up the bulk of Apple's customer base. Up to a certain point, it's not a bad thing that a device is substantial enough to be more enjoyable to use, not less. Aesthetics are but a small piece of this puzzle.

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4" screen:
If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there? And there IS an upside.

7" iPad:
After the iPad, the top selling tablets on the market are all around 7". Clearly, the market is large. So what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?

 

 

The downside is fragmentation of the platform, which is Android's Achilles' heel. Such a change would require iOS developers to re-write their apps for the new aspect ratio and double the work required to maintain those apps. Aside from this, a larger screen doesn't make much sense ergonomically on a phone. The barely perceptible benefits are outweighed by reduced portability and the inability to operate single-handed. I saw a co-worker answering a phone call on a Galaxy Note and it looked ridiculous, like he was holding a small notepad against his face.

 

The only way Apple will fiddle with the iPhone's or iPad's display size is if they can do it without fragmenting the platform, as they did with the Retina displays requiring a simple 2X resolution bump. I could see Apple releasing a smaller iPad if they came up with a similar solution that avoided the fragmentation issue, especially if they could leverage the availability of a low priced display that could qualify as "Retina".

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4" screen:
If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there? And there IS an upside.
 

 

 

Downsides:

 

  • Either a lower screen density
  • New resolution to support for developers and increased device fragmentation

 

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7" iPad:
After the iPad, the top selling tablets on the market are all around 7". Clearly, the market is large. So what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?
I notice that you couldn't refute anything I said. And where did I say that Apple wouldn't go to a 4" screen? I said that they wouldn't go to a 5.3" screen, but even you ought to be able to tell the difference.
3.5" to 4"? For most people, that's "well, that's nice, but it's not that big of a deal".

 

Downsides

 

  • iPad UI means some, perhaps many, iPad apps will be too crowded (meaning too many touch UIs in too close proximity leading to false hits).

 

Not saying they wont do either but there are always some tradeoffs.

 

I prefer lower screen density to a new resolution.  In which case I would simply make a 5" iPod Touch and leave the phone alone.

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There comes a point where a device can be too small. It's not automatically a good thing for a device to become so small that really it's meant for a species other than humans. The last time I checked, humans made up the bulk of Apple's customer base. Up to a certain point, it's not a bad thing that a device is substantial enough to be more enjoyable to use, not less. Aesthetics are but a small piece of this puzzle.

 

Two points:

 

  • There are much smaller phones than a slightly trimmed iPhone 4S and these are still very usable.
  • Many folks add a case which makes the iPhone bigger.  A smaller iPhone with a case probably is very close in size to a naked iPhone 4S.

 

I'd like a smaller iPhone with reduced bezel even if it pretty much means I have to buy new 3rd party docks pretty much across the board.

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The downside is fragmentation of the platform, which is Android's Achilles' heel. Such a change would require iOS developers to re-write their apps for the new aspect ratio and double the work required to maintain those apps. Aside from this, a larger screen doesn't make much sense ergonomically on a phone. The barely perceptible benefits are outweighed by reduced portability and the inability to operate single-handed. I saw a co-worker answering a phone call on a Galaxy Note and it looked ridiculous, like he was holding a small notepad against his face.

{Referring to hypothetical 4" iPhone} Who says that they'd need a new aspect ratio? Why not keep the current resolution and aspect ratio? Sure, the pixel density would be a few percent lower, but few, if any, would notice it.
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Explaining why no one buys it. Oh, wait, people buy iPhones more than any larger Android phone.

 

Well that's a silly argument. You know if Apple released a 4" iPhone, everyone would go out and buy one immediately. People keep buying the iPhone despite the 3.5" screen because it's the only option if you are an iOS person.

 

But they won't make a 4" iPhone because HTC and Samsung have patented mobile phone screens of 4.0 inches and larger. Maybe they will have to make a 3.9" screen. lol.gif

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Well that's a silly argument. You know if Apple released a 4" iPhone, everyone would go out and buy one immediately. People keep buying the iPhone despite the 3.5" screen because it's the only option if you are an iOS person.

 

But we don't know that and CAN'T know that. Which brings us to the big question: 

 

Do more people buy the "small" iPhone that they don't like "because it's Apple" than would buy a "large" iPhone that they don't like "because it's Apple"?

 

That's really the only question that needs to be asked about screen/case size changes.

 

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But they won't make a 4" iPhone because HTC and Samsung have patented mobile phone screens of 4.0 inches and larger. Maybe they will have to make a 3.9" screen. lol.gif

 

You know, that would be a very interesting way to protest their dislike of the current patent system, seeing as they've stolen so many of Apple's designs and claim them FRAND or inpatentable. Which isn't a word, but there doesn't seem to be one, strangely enough.

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But we don't know that and CAN'T know that. Which brings us to the big question: 

 

Do more people buy the "small" iPhone that they don't like "because it's Apple" than would buy a "large" iPhone that they don't like "because it's Apple"?

 

That's really the only question that needs to be asked about screen/case size changes.

There's one more question:

 

How many people would at least consider switching from Android to iPhone if Apple made a larger-screen iPhone?

 

Just as there were a fair number of people who wanted an iPhone but refused to get one until it was available on Verizon, there are probably at least a few people out there who would be interested in an iPhone if only the screen were a bit bigger. Probably a lot actually. It's obvious that larger screens sell so why not capitalize on it? A 4" would actually be small by today's standards, and with some clever design (specifically, reducing the size of the top and bottom bezels) it would barely be any larger than the current model.

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Just curious - if selling millions of units of a new device isn't a compelling argument, then what is?
You can, of course, argue that unless someone is holding a gun to Apple's head, NOTHING is a compelling argument for change. That isn't a very useful argument, though.
4" screen:
If Apple can do it without making the phone larger, why not? What downside is there? And there IS an upside.
7" iPad:
After the iPad, the top selling tablets on the market are all around 7". Clearly, the market is large. So what's the compelling reason NOT to do it?
I notice that you couldn't refute anything I said. And where did I say that Apple wouldn't go to a 4" screen? I said that they wouldn't go to a 5.3" screen, but even you ought to be able to tell the difference.
3.5" to 4"? For most people, that's "well, that's nice, but it's not that big of a deal".

 

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{Referring to hypothetical 4" iPhone} Who says that they'd need a new aspect ratio? Why not keep the current resolution and aspect ratio? Sure, the pixel density would be a few percent lower, but few, if any, would notice it.

 

Has anyone mocked up what something like that might look like and what the overall dimensions might be? Every time I see a mock-up it looks like the one in this article - an elongated iPhone with a different aspect ratio, or something uncomfortably large and wide like the Samsung Note. I do agree that if they figured out a way to make the screen larger, while keeping the phone small enough to operate with one hand, and while avoiding a change in aspect ratio, then that might result in a viable product. I'm just not convinced that the resulting design change would justify the effort.

 

Meanwhile, for those who don't get Android's display fragmentation problem, here's a neat illustration:

 

 

Apple iOS

 

apple.jpg

 

 

Android

 

android.jpg

 

Source: http://opensignalmaps.com/reports/fragmentation.php

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Spectacular illustration. I'll have to remember that one.

 

And that's only the tip of the iceberg. That's screen size. I realize it's a different argument, but when you have to take into account the rest of the device's specs (processor capabilities, RAM, etc.)… 

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Just being picky here, but if the resolution is the same and the phone is bigger then it would probably fail to be a "retina iPhone" by definition.  

It only just barely makes the bar at the moment, if the screen was bigger you would have to have longer arms to put it back into the retina category, no? 

 

Only if you use your current iPhone with your arms stretched :)

 

They'd say that, being it slightly bigger, you'll use it a bit further away and you'll still not be able to discern the individual pixels, for sure.

It's a bit of an argument, but that detail won't nudge Apple's commercial strategy at all, if this is what they want to do (and I'm not saying it is).

 

I think they'd prefer to decrease the dpi slightly than force developers to rework their apps for a new display resolution again.

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Obviously this was just a quick and dirty mockup someone made in their spare time, but you can see a 4" screen can almost fit into the same size body by just making the bezel smaller. Still tons of room top and bottom, but the phone would almost certainly need to be made a bit wider. Still, I think that's a worthwhile tradeoff.
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iPhone5.png
Obviously this was just a quick and dirty mockup someone made in their spare time, but you can see a 4" screen can almost fit into the same size body by just making the bezel smaller. Still tons of room top and bottom, but the phone would almost certainly need to be made a bit wider. Still, I think that's a worthwhile tradeoff.

That's a little clumsy looking. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to trim it back a little bit (3.8-3.9") to make it fit a little better. If the phone only grows by 1/8" or so, it won't be bad, but if they go much beyond that, they might start losing people.

Although that begs the question - who would they lose customers to? Since all the android fans tell us that no one else makes a smartphone this small, they might not lose many customers, after all.
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That's a little clumsy looking. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to trim it back a little bit (3.8-3.9") to make it fit a little better. If the phone only grows by 1/8" or so, it won't be bad, but if they go much beyond that, they might start losing people.
Although that begs the question - who would they lose customers to? Since all the android fans tell us that no one else makes a smartphone this small, they might not lose many customers, after all.
Of course it's clumsy looking, it's a mockup someone did in probably 5 minutes. Personally I find the current iPhone's gigantic top and bottom bezels to be pretty clumsy looking on their own.

I don't think a significant number of people would actually get rid of their iPhones just because its successor has a too-large screen. Like I said before, average customers will probably prefer it and anyone who's a hardcore enough Apple fan will stick to the iPhone in any case (not before a bit of whining of course).

As for smaller competing phones, there are a few other smallish phones available but they're mostly crummy low end devices like the HTC Wildfire. Again, Apple risks losing more customers if they keep the 3.5" screen than if they pump the size up a bit. Because even a 4" iPhone will be smaller than the competition so people who like the smaller size will still get it with the iPhone, and people who were waiting for the screen to get bigger are happy too.
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iPhone5.png
 

Obviously this was just a quick and dirty mockup someone made in their spare time, but you can see a 4" screen can almost fit into the same size body by just making the bezel smaller. Still tons of room top and bottom, but the phone would almost certainly need to be made a bit wider. Still, I think that's a worthwhile tradeoff.

 

I wonder if extending the display to the very edge like this would lead to unintentional touch screen interaction while holding the phone... unless the touch sensitive area were given a nonactive margin.

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…unless the touch sensitive area were given a nonactive margin.

 

But that causes far more problems than it solves.

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That's a little clumsy looking. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to trim it back a little bit (3.8-3.9") to make it fit a little better. If the phone only grows by 1/8" or so, it won't be bad, but if they go much beyond that, they might start losing people.
Although that begs the question - who would they lose customers to? Since all the android fans tell us that no one else makes a smartphone this small, they might not lose many customers, after all.

 

I have to admit, even if they made the phone bigger and even if I didn't like it, there's no chance in hell this would drive me to a competitor's product. But Apple would never make a change like this just to compete with other phones' spec sheet - they'd have to be convinced it was just the right thing to do from a design standpoint.

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But that causes far more problems than it solves.

 

I agree, hence my skepticism. I recall reading that the wide display margins on the iPad were a key design feature to provide users with a natural resting area for their thumbs. I suspect this is a similarly important consideration on a phone.

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4" iPhone? Hey, it's the all-new iPad Mini! 

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C'mon apple, why are you doing this! You know this goes against Steve Jobbs explicit wishes of giving users what he wants and not what they want.

 

[sarcasm]On a positive note, thank god for the smaller pin connector and micro sim. I was worried they wouldn't have room for a 4 inch screen if they kept those old space hogging technologies. [/sarcasm]

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You don't seem to know what you are talking about.

 

- Well-written apps should not be coded to one specific screen size.

- The processor is completely irrelevant

- The GPU is completely irrelevant

- RAM capacity is slightly more of an issue, but again a combination of the OS itself and well-written apps can work around it (you do know ocmputers page memory out to disk, don't you?)

 

The issues you're complaining about are the ones plaguing Android, not iOS.  An increased screen size may impact a few games and possibly other full-screen apps, but any app developer worth his salary should not be taking any notice of the screen dimensions or aspect ratio.

One of the biggest differences between an iOS app and an Android app is the fact that the iOS app was written for one specific screen size. I receive graphic design specifications that define every element and every space between elements in pixels. If the app doesn't perfectly reproduce the approved design then a bug is logged against the project. I've seen apps delayed because something was off by 1 pixel.

 

Over on the Android side such "perfection" is impossible because your target market is running 13 different screen sizes and each of the popular sizes is a different aspect ratio. Sure there are times when adding a little white space or changing a font size is no big deal, but there are other times when a different aspect ratio destroys the relationship between one element and another.

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If Apple sticks with 3.5" the phone will sell very well, but a segment of the market will continue to avoid the iPhone.

If Apple moves to 4" or larger they will gain new customers, but may lose some existing ones who don't want a larger phone.

 

If Apple goes with two phones, one 3.5" and one larger one, they will definitely see a net gain in customers, but will incur increased costs that may or may not be made up by the additional sales. I think the market is big enough and Apple rich enough to try selling two different sizes of iPhone, but Tim Cook et al may disagree.

  - If the larger phone uses the same screen resolution people who have trouble reading small text will rejoice, but others will scream that the larger phone doesn't offer any additional screen real estate. Developers won't have to do anything to support both.

  - If the larger phone uses a new screen resolution then many will celebrate, but developers and those who have trouble with small text will grumble.

 

I think Apple's solution for those who struggle to read fine print is Siri. I don't think that's an acceptable solution, but I may be in the minority on that one.


Edited by Bregalad - 5/16/12 at 3:41pm
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If Apple sticks with 3.5" the phone will sell very well, but a segment of the market will continue to avoid the iPhone.
If Apple moves to 4" or larger they will gain new customers, but may lose some existing ones who don't want a larger phone.

Who are they going to switch to? All the fandroid trolls here insist that EVERYONE's screens are larger than 4" already. So what would an iPhone customer buy?

Not to mention, of course, that if Apple manages to increase the screen size without significantly increasing the external dimensions of the phone, I can't see any rational reason why people would jump ship.
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If Apple goes with two phones, one 3.5" and one larger one, they will definitely see a net gain in customers, but will incur increased costs that may or may not be made up by the additional sales. I think the market is big enough and Apple rich enough to try selling two different sizes of iPhone, but Tim Cook et al may disagree.
  - If the larger phone uses the same screen resolution people who have trouble reading small text will rejoice, but others will scream that the larger phone doesn't offer any additional screen real estate. Developers won't have to do anything to support both.
  - If the larger phone uses a new screen resolution then many will celebrate, but developers and those who have trouble with small text will grumble.

I think Apple's solution for those who struggle to read fine print is Siri. I don't think that's an acceptable solution, but I may be in the minority on that one.

Unlikely. There's not enough difference between 3.5" and 4" to justify a different product line. And I don't see Apple going significantly larger than 4" because phones that big are clunky.
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Unfortunately, anybody that uses a bumper or similar case will curse a screen that goes so close to the edge. I seriously doubt that apple would make such a mistake from a use ability pov. It can sometimes be difficult to highlight text close to the screen edge with the current border.

I suspect a taller screen is most likely.... Existing apps just display pixel for pixel with black bars top and bottom, iOS 6 could allow new ui functionality to take advantage of extra space. - one area that would really benefit is messages app - have you ever noticed when replying to a message, with the keyboard shown, as your reply grows, it pushes the message you are replying to off the screen to the extent that eventually you can no longer scroll the original message to check you have replied to all the points made in it. I often find myself sending a second reply because I have missed something.
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