Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Your vendetta against me is blinding you to what I'm saying. You may want to look to that.
Vendetta? Nice try. I have a vendetta against extreme irrationality. That's all.
When Apple releases a product, they release a product that can serve the purposes of 70-80 percent of the people for whom that product is being marketed. They don't care if some toes stick out or you can't pull the covers over your head, because the majority is covered, and that has been successful (and shown to ring true, if you look at marketshare) ever since the introduction of the iPod.
Yet you proclaim that a 4" screen wouldn't serve the purposes of the vast majority..based on zero evidence, just because you said so. My arguments towards your points are not and were never based on my own opinion, which is irrelevant, but market realties that you seem completely dismissive and out of touch with.
No, but it will push things out of balance.
Again, cause you say so, right?
And yet you're screaming for them to enter a market that has already been saturated with dozens of Android phones, their existence being nothing but a response to Apple taking over the rest of the entire market.
Screaming? You're the only one who's shrieking here. I'm arguing that a 4" phone won't change things drastically, where the hell have I demanded or advocated it? Stop misrepresenting things. Also, your implication is insanely laughable. You're stating that the 'market' is simply divided by screen sizes? Really? That by slightly changing the screen size, Apple will effectively be changing markets? Should Apple not have released an 11" MBA because there was already a market of 11" netbooks? Of course that argument is idiotic, just like yours. A MBA is not a netbook, and an iPhone is differentiated from an Android phone with more than just screen size. It shows how little you understand about Apple, or why people like Apple products, if you believe everyone will suddenly jump ship because of this one spec. Screen size has NEVER been the primary reason people choose to buy iPhones, yet you're stating that this is the sole factor that defines 'markets'. A 4" screen would not be a response to anything, but if they chose to go that route it would be a decision Apple has carefully thought out in terms of bettering its own product. You clearly have no understanding what a 'market' is. There is no 3.5" and 4.0" market. There are only products, and a 4" iPhone would still be an iPhone regardless.
When you think of an actual response, let me know. I'd love to continue this discussion to improve my analogies.
An actual response to what? Your analogy? I gave you one, which is all the response you deserved. That uour analogy was idiotic, and I even took the time to explain why. What kind of response do you want, pray tell, to your 'a 4" iPhone will be a limousine" analogy? It was an analogy that showed how fundamentally flawed your understanding is, so I wonder why you chose to include it if you mock the fact that I responded to it.
Right. Apple offers a screen size and everyone else offers the others. No one's forced to buy Apple products.
Your point? Again, you imply screen size is the main reason people choose iPhones. Again, ridiculous, and disconnected.
Funny how three years ago it did. Funny how four years ago people thought the iPhone was too big. And funny how your statement is based on your viewpoint, not everyone's.
Unlike you, I don't pretend to speak for everyone, as you always do. And unlike you, I don't shove my opinion down other people's throats and proclaim it to be divine. Opinion should be based on verifiable facts and realities. Do you realize that an appstore wasn't even envisioned during the design of the iPhone? It's clear even Steve Jobs did not imagine what the iPhone would become, and the myriad applications that people would use it for. Yet you don't think that MAYBE all these expanded uses might warrant a slightly larger screen? That 3.5" should live on forever because it was the original size? I know dozens of people who own iPhones, of all ages and in all walks of life. From comments Ive heard from them, almost every single one has said they love the phone but think the screen is too tiny. I have never heard a comment that its too large. Sure, my evidence is anecdotal, but I can't imagine its too far removed from impressions elsewhere. I'm gonna take a wild-guess and say that from the amound of posts you have on this forum, you don't get out much. WHich is why you're simply echoeing the voices in your head, and basing your opinions on nothing but your own disconnected view, not on actually observing normal people using their phones and hearing their comments. So my view is colored by my own experience as well as what Ive seen from dozens of others, friends, family, colleages, acquaintances, etc using iPhones. Your viewpoint, is based on nothing but a rigid ideology that has no basis in reality, as evidenced by your insane analogies.
Well, I already have a first-gen. It's sitting right here. I've always wanted to use it as a phone. It's not slow at all, and all my apps still work on it.
Another statement which shows how little bearing you have to a normal, average iPhone user. Or any smartphone user. My dad is the least technically inclined person I know, and all he used his 1st gen phone was for making calls, texting, and emails. Yet I replaced it for him last year because of his complaints about how slow it was. He ran no extra apps. Beyond that, I don't know a single person who still uses a 1st gen iPhone. The fact that you consider doing so, again, shows you're in a very extreme fringe, yet proclaim to speak for the majority of people and how Apple should accomodate those people. Nobody cares what apps you use. It's a fact that the majority of apps in the appstore are not compatible with the original iPhone anymore, and I don't recall seeing ANY of the big, high quality, well known apps being compatible recently- AT ALL. So you'll be cut off from the majority of the apps/features people use while using a 1st gen, which uses what is now ancient tech, and you're completely ok making that sacrifice, yet pretend to speak for the 'majority'. I find my iPhone 4 to be slow often times, as do others I know. Whats funnier is that you threaten 'never to buy another iPhone', as if Apple cares about customers like you who haven't purchased an iPhone in 5 years. Again, how the hell can you speak for what the majority want when you don't even use a semi-recent iPhone? I couldn't care less what you use, but continuing to make threats of not buying the next iPhone, and of speaking for iPhone users, are incredibly pathetic and empty in light of this.
That's certainly the case.
Aside: deep red italic text should probably be the universal sign of bleeding sarcasm.
You can be sarcastic all you want, doesn't make my point invalid, and you're too cowardly to even address it. You don't currently use an iPhone, you plan on using a 1st gen in the future, so clearly whatever new innovations, features, hardware, and software Apple has introduced in their mobile line in the past few years means nothing to you. ie. if you had the slightest care for any of these you would have made the effort to get a phone within the last 3 generations. How does my statement contradict what you said? It's right there. You don't use, nor care to use anything that Apple has introduced in their iPhone line within the past few years.
Funny. Because I thought the idea was bringing Android users over, because the only thing they care about is big screens. Apparently the perspective of these people, who have never used an iPhone, don't use one now, nor have cared enough to purchase one in the past four generations doesn't mean anything to anyone…
You're not making sense, then again you never do.
… So Apple shouldn't be making a 4" phone to suit their "needs". Because they're ridiculous and irrational.
See the problem there?
No, I don't. Apple has not shown itself to be ridiculous and irrational. You have. Consistently. On many, many occasions. But carry on. You need to pad that post count somehow, and I guess the easiest way is to continue ranting about how you'll never buy the next Apple product, because of some horse-shit reasoning. Why don't you break down for us again why the next phone will never be called the iPhone 5, and how you'll be 'finished' with Apple if thats the case? Hilarious how often you threaten to stop being Apple's customer, when you can't be bothered to use their products anyway, and don't understand the 1st thing about them nor their users, nor human beings in general. Get out of your house, get some fresh air, and maybe you'll be able to claw your way out of xenophobic ideological hole you've dug yourself. Your basement isn't real life, stop making absolute statements proclaiming what people want and what Apple should do.