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post #1 of 57
5/17/12 at 2:30pm
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Well, this one needs it's own thread.   Breitbart, as part of its "Obama vetting" project, has published Obama's literary agent bio/promo pamphlet, which states:

 

"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. "

 

Now, Breitbart makes it clear that despite the pamphlet, they are not engaging in "birtherism."  

 

 

 

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"Note from Senior Management:

Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.

 

Yet Andrew also believed that the complicit mainstream media had refused to examine President Obama's ideological past, or the carefully crafted persona he and his advisers had constructed for him."

 

 

 

The point of the thread is discuss the vetting of Obama.  This is clearly something that was never done in 2008 by the majority of the media.  Additionally, does this pamphlet create any doubts that he was born in the U.S.?  

 

 

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post #2 of 57
5/17/12 at 2:40pm

Well the article itself hits on several key points and the main one, that Obama's background justifies his actions and that his background can change whenever his actions need to change, is very true. Obama has completely justified his actions not using reason or logic, but a couple of autobiographical books about himself. Within these books there are composite girlfriends, made up incidents, and people taking actions that never happened.

 

What sort of world do guys like Barack Obama really live in? It seems a world made up not of reality but of slights, victimizations and grievences eternally being played out against the world. It is almost like they are children, eternally pissed off over the fact they were picked first for the kickball team or upset that someone got the last cookie.

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post #3 of 57
5/18/12 at 6:05am
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This is a great article on the vetting topic.  

 

"How Did the Mainstream Media Miss This?"  

 

 

 

 

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Whatever you think of Breitbart.com’s punishing vetting process, it has exposed just how little work the mainstream media did in investigating candidate Obama back in 2008.

 

Uh, exactly.  

 

 

 

 

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Today, the President has satisfied all right-minded folk that he was in fact born in Hawaii. Breitbart.com itself has always rejected the absurd cult of birtherism. In fact, this story is really the opposite of birtherism – Breitbart infers that in the past Obama encouraged people to think that he was born abroad in order to establish an identity as an authentic, exotic voice in the debate on racial politics.

 


 

Now, this is a good point indeed, though it contradicts itself when describing birtherism as an absurd cult.  If Obama was encouraging people--as late as 2007---to think he was born in Kenya, why would would birthers be absurd in at least considering he was...born in Kenya?  

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post #4 of 57
5/18/12 at 6:42am
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It gets better.  In 2004, even the Associated Press was saying Obama was born in Kenya.  

 

 

 

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This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.  Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

 

The evidence is mounting that Obama himself claimed to be foreign born, even if that wasn't actually true.  So, there are two possibilities here: 

 

1.  Obama was born in Kenya, and therefore not eligible to be President.

 

2.  Obama was born in Hawaii and lied about being born in Kenya to enhance his "exotic" reputation.  

 

 

I'll take the second door.  The third possibility, I suppose, is that Obama believed he was born in Kenya, but discovered he was actually born in Hawaii.  That seems unlikely, but it's always possible.  

 

 

 

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post #5 of 57
5/18/12 at 8:18am
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Oh, look...and another one:  Obama listed as "born in Kenya" as late as 2003.   (Correction:  2007!)  

 

Go ahead, tell me this was simply an error by the agent.  This was the Obama narrative for at least 15 years.  There is no way there could be all of these references without him knowing about it in that time.  He allowed this narrative to continue, and even embraced.  Amazingly, the issue of where he was actually born in not the important one.  It's where he said he was born.  


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post #6 of 57
5/18/12 at 8:59am

So it comes down to:

 

a) Obama is a liar

 

or

 

b) Obama is a liar

 

Honestly, why wouldn't the Democrats want this man as their president? ;)

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post #7 of 57
5/18/12 at 9:28am

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Oh, look...and another one:  Obama listed as "born in Kenya" as late as 2003.  

 

Go ahead, tell me this was simply an error by the agent.  This was the Obama narrative for at least 15 years.  There is no way there could be all of these references without him knowing about it in that time.  He allowed this narrative to continue, and even embraced.  Amazingly, the issue of where he was actually born in not the important one.  It's where he said he was born.  

It goes beyond even where he said he was born in my view. The media clearly knew about the Edwards affair and love child from the last election cycle which was in the same timeframe. It is very clear they are complicit in this. The most interesting thing is the self-reinforcing delusion it creates. Liberal news sources do not report the news so they give rise to alternative news sources. In liberal minds they are "conservative" by default because they do things like report on Clinton getting a blow job during the government shut down. They report on things like Weiner cheating on his wife or governors ordering up prostitutes.

 

We have to ask ourselves, why can the media report on John McCain's entire war record as a POW, why can the air false allegations regarding Bush and his service and finally why can they run a badly botched story about Romney and a haircut that has needed multiple corrections but they can't even find information within their own ranks or sources that reports negatively on a Democratic president?

 

Other sources begin to fill the void. Drudge Report, Breitbart, etc. and they make huge splashes for minimal cost because the level of corruption and the problems are so obvious and large. Breitbart is continuing to grow largely by uncovering voter registration fraud and the absurd level at which people can defraud the voting process. To them it is a "conspiracy" how someone can actually report the news.

 

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It gets better.  In 2004, even the Associated Press was saying Obama was born in Kenya.  

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This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.  Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

The evidence is mounting that Obama himself claimed to be foreign born, even if that wasn't actually true.  So, there are two possibilities here: 

 

1.  Obama was born in Kenya, and therefore not eligible to be President.

 

2.  Obama was born in Hawaii and lied about being born in Kenya to enhance his "exotic" reputation.  

 

I'll take the second door.  The third possibility, I suppose, is that Obama believed he was born in Kenya, but discovered he was actually born in Hawaii.  That seems unlikely, but it's always possible.  

It won't matter to them because facts dont' matter. The only reason they bought into Obama in the first place is his narrative. Complaining that he undertook steps to make his narrative read better is like arguing over whether Han Solo shot first to them. They might as well be fictional characters because all that matters is that utopia arrive. Death, bloodshed, bankruptcy, destruction of institutions or harm, none of that matters to them as long as they get to utopia.

 

We've seen this countless times in leftist organizations. Their leaders are like gods. They can't be brought down and even if they can, they shouldn't because the religion is too important to them. 

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post #8 of 57
5/18/12 at 12:24pm
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It goes beyond even where he said he was born in my view. The media clearly knew about the Edwards affair and love child from the last election cycle which was in the same timeframe. It is very clear they are complicit in this. The most interesting thing is the self-reinforcing delusion it creates. Liberal news sources do not report the news so they give rise to alternative news sources. In liberal minds they are "conservative" by default because they do things like report on Clinton getting a blow job during the government shut down. They report on things like Weiner cheating on his wife or governors ordering up prostitutes.

 

We have to ask ourselves, why can the media report on John McCain's entire war record as a POW, why can the air false allegations regarding Bush and his service and finally why can they run a badly botched story about Romney and a haircut that has needed multiple corrections but they can't even find information within their own ranks or sources that reports negatively on a Democratic president?

 

Other sources begin to fill the void. Drudge Report, Breitbart, etc. and they make huge splashes for minimal cost because the level of corruption and the problems are so obvious and large. Breitbart is continuing to grow largely by uncovering voter registration fraud and the absurd level at which people can defraud the voting process. To them it is a "conspiracy" how someone can actually report the news.

 

It won't matter to them because facts dont' matter. The only reason they bought into Obama in the first place is his narrative. Complaining that he undertook steps to make his narrative read better is like arguing over whether Han Solo shot first to them. They might as well be fictional characters because all that matters is that utopia arrive. Death, bloodshed, bankruptcy, destruction of institutions or harm, none of that matters to them as long as they get to utopia.

 

We've seen this countless times in leftist organizations. Their leaders are like gods. They can't be brought down and even if they can, they shouldn't because the religion is too important to them. 

 

It comes to down to one word:  bias.  That's why they report on fake National Guard documents, Mitt Romney's 15 year old pranks, and McCain's several houses while ignoring John Edwards.  In reality, bias ends up being more the result than the cause.  That is, I think some in the media simply don't want to know.   They were so consumed by the Cult of Obama in 2008 that they simply didn't do any background investigations at all.  What came up was ignored so the narrative could be maintained.  They were writing their First Black, Post-Partisan, Post-Racial President story---and nothing was going to stop them.  Now, I'm also sure much of it was deliberate...but people tend to get caught up in a good story.  

 

In any case, I think the bias today is actually much worse.  Now Obama has a record, which the media is also ignoring.  Now some of these stories are coming out through alternative sources, and yet they are still being ignored.  Now the possibility mentioned above (mere delusion or wishful thinking) is gone.  Now it's just a full-on effort to get the man re-elected.  

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post #9 of 57
5/18/12 at 12:25pm
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So it comes down to:

 

a) Obama is a liar

 

or

 

b) Obama is a liar

 

Honestly, why wouldn't the Democrats want this man as their president? ;)

 

Indeed.  :P 

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post #10 of 57
5/23/12 at 11:48am
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Obama The Teabagger

 

 

 

This one isn't exactly what I'd call "vetting" or particularly important, but it is pretty funny.  It seems Obama--who supposedly used the derogatory term "teabagger" himself...was all dressed up in revolutionary garb himself...complete with a nearby "Don't Tread on Me" flag.   lol.gif   

 

 

Breitbart-Obama-Tea-Party-Full.jpg?h=405&w=649

 

 

 

In all seriousness, the only relevance this has is in relation to the media refusing to do its job.  

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post #11 of 57
5/23/12 at 2:51pm

I'm surprised no one found anything in Obama's "updates" printed in the Hyde Park Herald. Maybe no one looked.

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post #12 of 57
5/24/12 at 4:07am

You have to be pretty dumb to believe this crap you read! Let it go already.
 

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post #13 of 57
5/24/12 at 5:18am
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You have to be pretty dumb to believe this crap you read! Let it go already.
 

 

First, personal attacks are not allowed. Do it again and you'll be reported.  Secondly, are you claiming the article is based on falsehoods?  Is that not a picture of Obama dressed up in what would soon be known as "Tea Party" attire?  Or, are you claiming the President hasn't been critical of the modern Tea Party movement?  You see, I "believe" this "crap" because, uh, it's factual.  Whether or not it's relevant is another matter.  In fact, I even posted this: 

 

 

SDW: 

 

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In all seriousness, the only relevance this has is in relation to the media refusing to do its job.  

 

 

Apparently you didn't take the time to see the part where I made it clear it wasn't a major issue.  I just thought it was amusing and indicative of the lazy, biased media we have.  

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post #14 of 57
5/25/12 at 4:37am

It is disgusting that you constantly discuss Obama each time.Let it go already and start a new politician to demoralize in your posts!
 

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5/25/12 at 2:39pm
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It is disgusting that you constantly discuss Obama each time.Let it go already and start a new politician to demoralize in your posts!
 

 

 

He is the President of the United States.  In my opinion, he's doing a horrible job, as well as lying about who he is and what he believes.  That, sir, is what is disgusting.  It's disgusting what he has done to this country.  It is disgusting what he has done to our economy, our security and our national psyche.  It is disgusting to see him engage in class warfare and cynical partisanship.  

 

So if you don't like it, leave.  

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post #16 of 57
5/25/12 at 5:57pm
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He is the President of the United States.  In my opinion, he's doing a horrible job, as well as lying about who he is and what he believes.  That, sir, is what is disgusting.  It's disgusting what he has done to this country.  It is disgusting what he has done to our economy, our security and our national psyche.  It is disgusting to see him engage in class warfare and cynical partisanship.  

 

So if you don't like it, leave.  

I can understand why people don't like Obama, and what he is doing. But I imagine, because he is nominally a member of the "democratic" party, you instantly classify him as a socialist (!), despite all the evidence to the contrary. For example:

* ObamaCare - which is a carbon copy of RomneyCare - cozying up to the "health insurance" (!) industry and big pharma... and threatening prison for those who fail to comply. 

* The NDAA, section 1031 - an extension of the Bush doctrine and its abolition of Habeas Corpus, now allowing indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without reason, without charge, without evidence, and without access to legal counsel.

* HR 468 - the criminalization of free speech near persons with Secret Service protection... hookers excepted.

* The extension and expansion of the war in Afghanistan, into Pakistan.

* The imposition of sanctions against Iran... which does nothing to destabilize the existing élitist regime, but makes life extremely tough for the ordinary Iranian people... 

* The selection of the Obama cabinet gives the show away completely: the entire cabinet was pulled from Wall Street and the financial service sector (socialist?) - the group of serial white collar criminals who collectively drove the economy into the ditch in the period up until 2008 and beyond.   

 

Class warfare? Here's Warren Buffett on the subject: 

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

 

Obama a socialist? Yep. Just like how the Dalai Lama is a born again Christian, the Sun rises in the West, and Cheney enlisted voluntarily in the military.

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5/25/12 at 11:29pm
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He is the President of the United States.  In my opinion, he's doing a horrible job, as well as lying about who he is and what he believes.  That, sir, is what is disgusting.  It's disgusting what he has done to this country.  It is disgusting what he has done to our economy, our security and our national psyche.  It is disgusting to see him engage in class warfare and cynical partisanship.  

 

So if you don't like it, leave.  

 

Do not be fooled. The real President of the United States is Wall Street and China. It is frankly, hilarious that people are now so upset about Obama, when the real "Washington, DC" is Washington Street, Beijing.

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post #18 of 57
5/26/12 at 4:36am

Who would want Romney as a president with his flip flops constantly.
 

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post #19 of 57
5/26/12 at 4:37am

If elected what will Romney do about it?

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post #20 of 57
5/26/12 at 4:12pm
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I can understand why people don't like Obama, and what he is doing. But I imagine, because he is nominally a member of the "democratic" party, you instantly classify him as a socialist (!), despite all the evidence to the contrary. For example:

* ObamaCare - which is a carbon copy of RomneyCare - cozying up to the "health insurance" (!) industry and big pharma... and threatening prison for those who fail to comply. 

* The NDAA, section 1031 - an extension of the Bush doctrine and its abolition of Habeas Corpus, now allowing indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without reason, without charge, without evidence, and without access to legal counsel.

* HR 468 - the criminalization of free speech near persons with Secret Service protection... hookers excepted.

* The extension and expansion of the war in Afghanistan, into Pakistan.

* The imposition of sanctions against Iran... which does nothing to destabilize the existing élitist regime, but makes life extremely tough for the ordinary Iranian people... 

* The selection of the Obama cabinet gives the show away completely: the entire cabinet was pulled from Wall Street and the financial service sector (socialist?) - the group of serial white collar criminals who collectively drove the economy into the ditch in the period up until 2008 and beyond.   

 

Class warfare? Here's Warren Buffett on the subject: 

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

 

Obama a socialist? Yep. Just like how the Dalai Lama is a born again Christian, the Sun rises in the West, and Cheney enlisted voluntarily in the military.

 

 

I never claimed Obama was a socialist.  He is, however, the closest thing this country has ever seen as far as President goes (with the exception of FDR...though the nation at the time was far less advanced on its march to the socialized democracy as compared to now).  And I'm not sure what history you've been reading, but socialists don't exactly like freedom, so it's not as if Obama's embracing certain things you don't like (above) inoculates him against the charge.  

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post #21 of 57
5/27/12 at 4:27am

Go to a communist country and live under their regime and tell me if you like it better than Obama's administration.Say Raul Castro or Assad.Stop complaining and do something about it than .You people make me laugh!
 

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5/27/12 at 4:30am

You are a typical Conservative  with your cracks about Obama which are false.Go with Romney you flip flop like him and his other cronies.

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5/27/12 at 9:36am
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Go to a communist country and live under their regime and tell me if you like it better than Obama's administration.Say Raul Castro or Assad.Stop complaining and do something about it than .You people make me laugh!
 

 

I have never stated that I'd rather go to another country, or that Obama is as bad as Castro, Assad or any other maniacal dictator.  You directed me to "do something" about it.  Well, that is what I am doing.  What you call "complaining" is me pledging to do everything I can to make sure Mitt Romney is elected instead of Barack Obama.  That includes spreading the word about who Obama is and what he's done.  It is my First Amendment right, and I will continue to engage in said behavior.  

 

 

 

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You are a typical Conservative  with your cracks about Obama which are false.Go with Romney you flip flop like him and his other cronies.

 

1.  I'm like no conservative you've seen before, actually.  

 

2. I have much more than just "cracks" about Obama.  I have facts.  I have his record to judge.  I do enjoy a good Obama slam, though :) 

 

3.  I am not a flip flopper in any sense.  I challenge you to show otherwise.   

 

4.  Mitt Romney hasn't changed his position on many issues at all, with the exception of abortion.  You've been listening to bullshit criminal liberal media again, haven't you? 

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5/27/12 at 12:40pm
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Oh, look...and another one:  Obama listed as "born in Kenya" as late as 2003.   (Correction:  2007!)  

 

Go ahead, tell me this was simply an error by the agent.  This was the Obama narrative for at least 15 years.  There is no way there could be all of these references without him knowing about it in that time.  He allowed this narrative to continue, and even embraced.  Amazingly, the issue of where he was actually born in not the important one.  It's where he said he was born.  

"....when we took a trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya...."

 

An honest lapsus lingua, in an unguarded moment, by the first lady? It doesn't say anything about Obama's legal status re. the country of his birth, but it adds to the inconsistencies that have been presented, the obfuscations by the White House, and the uncertainties about his eligibility to be president.

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post #25 of 57
5/27/12 at 2:14pm

Silly question, if you were born in Puerto Rico, St. Thomas or any other of the U.S. territories would you be able to run for president.

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post #26 of 57
5/28/12 at 4:37am

This is complete nonsense about this already. At least i give Romney credit for saying that Obama was born in Hawaii. The other moron Trump will not leave this issue alone. Romney should distance himself from him completely.These birther fools have nothing else better to do.
 

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5/28/12 at 6:16am
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"....when we took a trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya...."

 

An honest lapsus lingua, in an unguarded moment, by the first lady? It doesn't say anything about Obama's legal status re. the country of his birth, but it adds to the inconsistencies that have been presented, the obfuscations by the White House, and the uncertainties about his eligibility to be president.

 

The inconsistencies are the problem, not his legal status.  I'm satisfied he was born in Hawaii.  But it's clear he embraced or tacitly endorsed the born in Kenya narrative for some time.  

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post #28 of 57
5/28/12 at 8:36am
People are still arguing about where he was born and missing the point. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that he has been caught in several lies about his past. Our president is a liar. Why does this not concern the people who voted for him?

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post #29 of 57
5/28/12 at 8:58am

It's like the Elizabeth Warren native american flap. Identity politics embraced and discarded to ones own advantage. Puts the lie to the whole thing.

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post #30 of 57
5/28/12 at 10:34am
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The inconsistencies are the problem, not his legal status.  I'm satisfied he was born in Hawaii.  But it's clear he embraced or tacitly endorsed the born in Kenya narrative for some time.  

If there are so many inconsistencies as regards his own "embracing" or endorsing" his Kenyan birth, then why are you are "satisfied" that he was born in Hawaii? What information has the been presented to the public that has convinced you that he was born in Hawaii?

 

Obama has already proved himself to be a liar/manipulator, so on his track record of dishonesty, why are you giving him the slack where he doesn't deserve it? 

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5/29/12 at 7:28am
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If there are so many inconsistencies as regards his own "embracing" or endorsing" his Kenyan birth, then why are you are "satisfied" that he was born in Hawaii? What information has the been presented to the public that has convinced you that he was born in Hawaii?

 

Obama has already proved himself to be a liar/manipulator, so on his track record of dishonesty, why are you giving him the slack where he doesn't deserve it? 

 

Well, we've seen copies of his birth certificate...both in long and short form.  There have also been letters from the State of Hawaii certifying his birth.  That doesn't mean I think it's impossible he was born elsewhere, but I've seen enough to be "satisfied."   

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5/29/12 at 10:00am
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Well, we've seen copies of his birth certificate...both in long and short form.  There have also been letters from the State of Hawaii certifying his birth.  That doesn't mean I think it's impossible he was born elsewhere, but I've seen enough to be "satisfied."   

 

As the aphorism goes, "there is no smoke without fire".

 

The long form certificate, as presented - as a .pdf by the White House proves nothing.... on account of being a .pdf. The original document has not been made available for a rigorous scientific examination, the results of which would put an end to the ongoing speculation as to Obama's eligibility for office. 

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post #33 of 57
5/29/12 at 10:13am

Yes, yes, the long form certificate has been clearly shown to be a fabrication - one that I could easily duplicate using Photoshop. But again, I say this is irrelevant.

 

Obama's actions cannot be undone with the wave of a "magic ineligibility wand". Government is not just going to say: "welp, Obama was ineligible after all, looks like Obamacare, NDAA, the extension of the Patriot Act, etc. are all null and void".

 

What disturbs me more than the issue itself is the blatantly obvious deception and lying on the part of Obama and others in positions of responsibility in government. It's there, plain as day, and people are being willfully ignorant of it.

 

If he wasn't born in Kenya, he is a liar for allowing people to believe he was.

 

If he was born in Kenya, he is a liar for allowing people to believe he wasn't.

 

Either way, he is a liar. A habitual liar. And on more than just this single issue.

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post #34 of 57
5/29/12 at 12:37pm
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As the aphorism goes, "there is no smoke without fire".

 

The long form certificate, as presented - as a .pdf by the White House proves nothing.... on account of being a .pdf. The original document has not been made available for a rigorous scientific examination, the results of which would put an end to the ongoing speculation as to Obama's eligibility for office. 

 

I agree...though now we're getting into a pretty big conspiracy, one that involves senior Hawaii state officials, the feds, etc. 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, yes, the long form certificate has been clearly shown to be a fabrication - one that I could easily duplicate using Photoshop. But again, I say this is irrelevant.

 

Obama's actions cannot be undone with the wave of a "magic ineligibility wand". Government is not just going to say: "welp, Obama was ineligible after all, looks like Obamacare, NDAA, the extension of the Patriot Act, etc. are all null and void".

 

What disturbs me more than the issue itself is the blatantly obvious deception and lying on the part of Obama and others in positions of responsibility in government. It's there, plain as day, and people are being willfully ignorant of it.

 

If he wasn't born in Kenya, he is a liar for allowing people to believe he was.

 

If he was born in Kenya, he is a liar for allowing people to believe he wasn't.

 

Either way, he is a liar. A habitual liar. And on more than just this single issue.

 

 

The long form has not been shown to be a fabrication...it was simply the layering because it was a PDF.  I agree with the rest of the post, though. 

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post #35 of 57
5/29/12 at 2:25pm

Okay this is adorable. Obama in the 4th of july parade pushing a 3 year old Malia on her birthday. Too cute!

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post #36 of 57
5/29/12 at 8:49pm
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I agree...though now we're getting into a pretty big conspiracy, one that involves senior Hawaii state officials, the feds, etc. 

 

 

I am not saying that there has been an attempt to obfuscate Obama's legal status - but if so, it wouldn't necessarily have had to involve all that many people. And, if so, it would have been quietly taken care of before anyone might have publicized this issue - i.e. before January 2008 when he took office.

 

 

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The long form has not been shown to be a fabrication...it was simply the layering because it was a PDF.  

 

Agreed - but thats half the story. It has not been shown to be a fabrication, but there's no proof that it's genuine either.

 

 

 

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I agree with the rest of the post, though.

 

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post #37 of 57
5/30/12 at 4:47am

Amen.
 

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post #38 of 57
5/30/12 at 4:50am

I have been hearing the truth not fabrications the Republicans talk about and do nothing also. It is up to the people to decide in November.

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post #39 of 57
5/30/12 at 6:10am
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I am not saying that there has been an attempt to obfuscate Obama's legal status - but if so, it wouldn't necessarily have had to involve all that many people. And, if so, it would have been quietly taken care of before anyone might have publicized this issue - i.e. before January 2008 when he took office.

 

 

 

Agreed - but thats half the story. It has not been shown to be a fabrication, but there's no proof that it's genuine either.

 

 

 

 

Likewise

 

 

We're not that far apart on this one.  I do think it's possible he was born elsewhere (hence the cert is a fabrication).  Notice I use the term "possible."  All in all, I think it's not likely though. As others have pointed out, him being ineligible at this point really doesn't matter. It's not as if everything he did can be undone.  And the resulting scandal would probably be most harmful to us as a nation.  

 

I heard a good related point earlier today.  It doesn't really matter if Obama was born in Hawaii, Idaho, New York, etc.  It doesn't matter if we have rock solid verification of the same.  The more major issue is that he was raised outside of the country for some time.  It's therefore not surprising he struggles with traditional American values as a result...he wasn't raised as an American, and seems to have always considered himself somewhat of a cultural outsider...a man searching for his identity.  John Boehner made a related comment on this last year when he essentially said many people didn't identify with the President's narrative as their experiences have been so much different.  I think this is part of the fundamental disconnect we see with Obama and the electorate. 

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post #40 of 57
6/3/12 at 1:04am
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I have been hearing the truth not fabrications the Republicans talk about and do nothing also. It is up to the people to decide in November.

 

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