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Warnings contained in the latest version of iOS suggest that Apple plans to bring support for 3G wireless data connections to its FaceTime video chat feature.

When a FaceTime call is active over Wi-Fi on an iPhone running iOS 5.1.1, and a user turns off the "Enable 3G" option in the Settings application, the operating system presents users with a warning message: "Disabling 3G may end FaceTime. Are you sure you want to disable 3G?"

The warning was first noticed by Romanian Apple website iDevice, and publicized on Friday by Gizmodo. Despite the warning, FaceTime video calls will continue over Wi-Fi uninterrupted, even after 3G has been turned off or on, which has suggested to some that Apple is planning to bring 3G support to FaceTime.

AppleInsider was able to confirm that the warning message does, in fact, display when the iPhone's 3G is disabled during a FaceTime call. In addition, iOS also displays another message when a user attempts to turn 3G back on: "Enabling 3G will end your phone call. Are you sure you want to enable 3G?" Neither enabling or disabling 3G interrupted any FaceTime calls.

Apple first introduced FaceTime video chat in 2010 with the launch of the iPhone 4. Since then, it has been brought to the Mac, and the addition of forward-facing cameras to the iPod touch and iPad have also allowed FaceTime with those iOS-based devices.

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But since its launch, FaceTime has only been available to use over Wi-Fi. Users who attempt to connect a FaceTime call over 3G are met with an error message telling them the service is not available.

When he introduced FaceTime in 2010, Apple co-founder Steve Jobs explained that the video chat feature was not available over wireless cellular networks at the request of mobile carriers. Jobs said that Apple needed to "work a little bit with the cellular providers" in hopes of offering FaceTime over 3G.

If Apple does enable FaceTime over 3G, it's possible that some carriers could opt to block or restrict the functionality on their own networks. For example, though tethering was enabled on the iPhone with iOS 3.0, U.S. carrier AT&T blocked the feature until a year later, with the release of iOS 4.0.
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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

 

Will be interesting to see if AT&T enables it on their "3G" network.  HSPA+ should eat it up.  Will the domestic competition [be able to] follow?

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They don't make a condom large enough for the Telecom Cell Towers.  The telecoms in this country act like they are gonna go bankrupt because of us mean ole customers want to utilize our paid unlimited data plans and AT&T has to prove that we are taking them down into bankruptcy.

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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

 

That's not really fair since I'm sure most whores provides better service.

 

The entire way the telecoms are handling data is a joke anyway, running nice ads with people watching movies at home, getting into a cab and watching on... Hey, cool, did they mention that movie is going to cost you $50 to watch once you run into overages? What a crock. Great that the government auctions off the airwaves to these monopolistic (duopolistic?) crooks too.

 

Grumble.

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in other news...

 

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A Russian company called ElcomSoft says it’s figured out a way to access a user’s online backups stored in Apple’s iCloud service.

Just a heads up nothing more.

 

http://tabtimes.com/news/ittech-security-privacy/2012/05/17/elcomsofts-ios-forensic-toolkit-cracks-icloud-backups

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That would awesome if it is true. I will not have to run Skype 24/7 which drains too much power.

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Has anyone actually used FaceTime more than a few times. I've had video on Skype for years and seldom use it even if the other person is sending video. I have never used FaceTime. Seams like it would be pretty shaky and awkward trying to hold the phone in that way.

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Has anyone actually used FaceTime more than a few times?

Asked that way, I'm sure the answer must be "yes".

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I use FaceTime whenever I can. Works great on all my Apple devices: Mac, iPhone, iPad. The iPhone/iPad never caused me any problems with shaking. 

 

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Has anyone actually used FaceTime more than a few times. I've had video on Skype for years and seldom use it even if the other person is sending video. I have never used FaceTime. Seams like it would be pretty shaky and awkward trying to hold the phone in that way.

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This new error message has nothing to do with the policy toward FaceTime being changed in the U.S. - it's referring to how your data connection gets interrupted when you switch between EDGE and 3G. The warning doesn't appear in other contexts because you wouldn't notice the interruption - streaming services like Pandora cache slightly ahead of the audio currently being played. This same warning has always been displayed for phone calls; the only new thing here is the addition of the equivalent warning for FaceTime calls.

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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

 

What countries is this enabled?

 

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Has anyone actually used FaceTime more than a few times. I've had video on Skype for years and seldom use it even if the other person is sending video. I have never used FaceTime. Seams like it would be pretty shaky and awkward trying to hold the phone in that way.

 

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I use FaceTime whenever I can. Works great on all my Apple devices: Mac, iPhone, iPad. The iPhone/iPad never caused me any problems with shaking. 

 

 

I use it all the time on the same devices. No problem whatsoever either.

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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

Cool. So now we can get 1000 complaints from the Apple haters about how quickly FaceTime uses your data plan and that's Apple's fault.
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Has anyone actually used FaceTime more than a few times. I've had video on Skype for years and seldom use it even if the other person is sending video. I have never used FaceTime. Seams like it would be pretty shaky and awkward trying to hold the phone in that way.

 

Try video call in FaceTime and compare it to Skype between the same iOS devices under the same conditions/networks.

You will discover that Facetime video quality and sound synchronization is by far more superior than Skype's.

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I use FT every day to call work colleagues, but we just use it for audio; we hit the home screen button to disable the video.

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I've been using it on AT&T 3G for a while....no issues at all.  It's nice to keep up with the nieces and nephews on their ipods.

My daughter uses it to get in touch with them from her iPad also.  The kids love it.  Of course you can't do it stock, you need some "workarounds".

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FaceTime works great for me in Europe. Western EU part, Denmark to Malta, and I have tried Germany, France, Swiss, and Italy so just great and the quality is very good.

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Try video call in FaceTime and compare it to Skype between the same iOS devices under the same conditions/networks.
You will discover that Facetime video quality and sound synchronization is by far more superior than Skype's.


As mentioned I have never used it but how do you initiate a FaceTime call to international contacts. With Skype you can see if someone is online and you can just click on video call to start.

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Cool. So now we can get 1000 complaints from the Apple haters about how quickly FaceTime uses your data plan and that's Apple's fault.

 

I suspect that IF ATT etc ever allow FaceTime over 3g there will be warnings put in that you are in 3g and overages may occur etc. 

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It would be great if Apple got round to enabling FaceTime for more than 2 people. If they did THAT, and ALSO enabled it for use on 3G, iOS users will no longer have the need for the Skypes, Frings, etc of the world. That would ring true to the simplicity ethos.

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It would be great if Apple got round to enabling FaceTime for more than 2 people. If they did THAT, and ALSO enabled it for use on 3G, iOS users will no longer have the need for the Skypes, Frings, etc of the world. That would ring true to the simplicity ethos.

 

This may sound like a crazy idea to you, but wouldn't it be greater if Apple made FT an open standard? If they did that, iOS users would no longer need Skype, Fring, Google Talk, Hangout, etc. to talk to the other 90% of the world.

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I suspect that IF ATT etc ever allow FaceTime over 3g there will be warnings put in that you are in 3g and overages may occur etc. 

What makes you think that would stop the complainers from suing?
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This may sound like a crazy idea to you, but wouldn't it be greater if Apple made FT an open standard? If they did that, iOS users would no longer need Skype, Fring, Google Talk, Hangout, etc. to talk to the other 90% of the world.

Apple originally planned to do so. Why don't you ask them?

At this point, we don't know if Apple followed through or not. All we know is that either Apple failed to do so or the other companies declined to use it. But feel free to find out which is the case and let us know.
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Apple originally planned to do so. Why don't you ask them?

I was being sarcastic, sorry if it didn't transpire. Between Skype and Google Voice privately, and Polycom professionally, all my chat, audio call, video call, file transfer, conference call, and two-way landline connectivity needs are covered. I am not, and I doubt that many others are, interested in niche non-standard alternatives.

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As mentioned I have never used it but how do you initiate a FaceTime call to international contacts. With Skype you can see if someone is online and you can just click on video call to start.

 

You can either call by full international number including country code or by e-mail address associated with Facetime account. Works both ways at least between USA and Russia.

Although you can't see if someone is online but it is no different than just calling.

Also some of my Skype contacts hide themselves as being offline, so I still have to call them before knowing if they there or not.

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I was being sarcastic, sorry if it didn't transpire. Between Skype and Google Voice privately, and Polycom professionally, all my chat, audio call, video call, file transfer, conference call, and two-way landline connectivity needs are covered. I am not, and I doubt that many others are, interested in niche non-standard alternatives.

IOW, you're simply trolling. As usual.
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I use FT every day to call work colleagues, but we just use it for audio; we hit the home screen button to disable the video.

Good idea to disable video... video over 3G isn't gonna work too well in most places...

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Try video call in FaceTime and compare it to Skype between the same iOS devices under the same conditions/networks.

You will discover that Facetime video quality and sound synchronization is by far more superior than Skype's.

 

 

But isn't it only Facetime to Facetime iDevices? That is, if your contact doesn't have an iDevice you can't run Facetime to somebody running a Skype video call on his laptop.

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But isn't it only Facetime to Facetime iDevices? That is, if your contact doesn't have an iDevice you can't run Facetime to somebody running a Skype video call on his laptop.

 

Of course not, but that doesn't stop one from running the test.

 

Personally I hate Skype for refusing to follow the stuff iChat put in place. There should never have been more than one video protocol system… thing…

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Personally I hate Skype for refusing to follow the stuff iChat put in place. There should never have been more than one video protocol system… thing…

 

I also dislike the fact that Skype runs on a proprietary protocol. Luckily, Skype has clients for every major OS, but I've had countless issues with various of its features in the past. The software finally started to seem more mature at about the time Microsoft bought Skype -- I guess they've stopped trying to "improve" it.

 

Unlike Skype, Google Talk uses the open Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP), which makes it possible for various clients to connect to Google's service:

 

https://developers.google.com/talk/open_communications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presence_Protocol

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Uh, it's already enabled in other countries… It's just turned off in the US because our telecoms are whores.

...and Japan follows the US. Can't do anything on its own. Japanese carriers are whores' whores.

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...and Japan follows the US. Can't do anything on its own. Japanese carriers are whores' whores.

 

If that's the case (and you'd know), then that makes me even madder. One of three or four countries that can truly take absolute charge with this and they follow OUR lead?!

 

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