iOS developers not concerned about Apple making a larger iPhone screen - Page 2

The take away shouldn't be that because some debs aren't worried you have no right to be, the take away should be that Apple has a history of considering devs and users when considering transitions. The reasoning is simple, user experience, which extends to dev experience as this directly relates to quality and size of the app experience.

 

Craptacular though it may be, it is an example of an app that would probably just work - and add another line of content to the scrollable section of the screen.

To be fair, a similar application on Android would do the same and use the available space correctly as well.

 

I suspect that the current apps will either scale (if they have a resizable content section) to fill the screen correctly, and perform in a manner consistent with the developers intention, or they will be letterboxed, which wouldn't be too bad either. 

So some devs are not worried about how Apple will handle the issue and you've concluded it means they are lazy? There is a reason the App Store is a superior experience on mobile devices and it's not because devs are too lazy to spend most of their development time coding for, debugging and testing an excessive number of HW configurations.

As long as you're not hard-coding screen sizes or positions/sizes of elements in your code (and with rare exception, you shouldn't be) then this is pretty much a non-issue. I ported my game from iPad to iPhone/iPod Touch in about an hour. Differing screen sizes is indeed a form of fragmentation and does affect developers but it's minor, and if you're smart (i.e., not sloppy) about how you organize your projects and write code, it's not that big a deal. 

 

It's an app for a local news station, not everyone has a large budget for iPhone apps. As a free app that displays information I find it satisfactory. My two favorite News apps are News 360 and Pulse though. I think having a larger screen is really going to be a huge improvememt for reading in general. I'm sorry but 3.5" is really on the small side now. I know it's popular with you die hards but I think apps will look much better and will be easier to read. 

If Apple makes a 4" iPhone and keeps the same 3:2 aspect ratio.... apps won't really have to do much to adjust to that.

However... if Apple decides to change the aspect ratio... it will take some work for developers to re-build their apps. But developers will certainly adapt... they'd be crazy not to.

The good thing is... Apple will stick to that new aspect ratio for a while.

The original 3:2 aspect ratio lasted for 5 years.

So you have to turn a article regarding a larger iPhone screen into Android hate fest?

Because you've certainly never done the opposite.

Proof? Nothing wrong with holding Apple, any company in fact, accountable for their actions and that applies to good and bad.

That is true if and only if the resolution remains the same. If Apple raises the resolution in any way, older apps will be window boxed (black borders in all 4 sides), much like how iPhone apps look in iPad. Scaling apps in a ratio other than 2 multiplier results in artifacts of some sort.

I would be very surprised if they didn't raise the resolution as they wouldn't want to drop the DPI.

Yeah... I was figuring they would keep the same resolution... with the caveats I describe below.


There are tradeoffs: a change in resolution really affects developers... while keeping the same resolution on a larger screen lowers DPI slightly.

If we're talking about a bump from 3.5" to 4" how bad will that drop in DPI really be? I bet it will still look amazing.

There are still phones out there with 800x480 on 4.3" screens.

So now you're saying what you thought shouldn't be said?

No company exists by itself. It's the comparison to others that makes one company better or worse.

What would be the point in changing the Rez? The small drop in ppi wouldn't be noticeable. When the 4 first came out, there were articles and posts from uninformed individuals about how the Rez wasn't high enough. In reality, it's higher than needed to be a retina display.

So a 4" screen might be held 12" away instead of 10 or 11". The apparent Rez will remain the same, and all will be well in the world. I'm typing on my new iPad right now with its 264ppi display, and I'm about 12" away now. Darned if it doesn't look like a retina display from that distance!

So again, why would Apple want to raise the Rez of what is already a retina display, as no one could see those pixels anyway?

That's true - they don't check 200 devices - which is why Android is such a crap shoot.


Only a few pas would need to be changed - such as a ruler app.


I doubt it. Keep in mind that 'retina display' depends on viewing distance. You may hold a larger phone far enough away.

In any event, I don't think it would matter. They would just quit talking about 'retina display' and few people would notice the difference.

I would be very surprised if they raised the Rez as no one could see it anyway, and it would really mess things up for no reason.

This is great news, 4+ inches. I recently purchased an iPhone 4s to replace my missing Samsung S2. After playing with it for about a week now I returned it today. My biggest complaint, the screen was; way, way to small. I'm not sure if any of you read my first post but I also missed having a file manager and a MiniSD card. I took the leap and installed Jail Break, big, big difference, if you own a iPhone and haven't done it yet, do it. Without it the iPhone for me anyway was really unusable. Anyway I found a program called iFile which was a big help, not very feature reach or even close to the quality of file managers that are available on Android for instance FX File-Manager but enough to appease me. I also was able to install Midnight Commander which is way awesome. Anyway, So I decided to wait for the new one, I bought a used LG Optimus 7 for 50 dollars off of Ebay as an interim phone. I'm not sure why I bought the iPhone 4s in the first place, I knew when I was playing with it at the Apple store that I thought it was way to small for my needs but all of my friends had one and swore by them. There was a guy on here, I think Tallest something, he was right all I needed was some time with it to get to like it. I really do like the interface, it's quick, pretty, great apps albeit expensive compared to Android, actually twice the price for a lot of the apps, I think I already spent something like 80 bucks on the same apps that cost me less then half then that on Android. I can live with that though for a stable system which was my biggest gripe with Android, and battery life, no problem. Android I still think is a lot more feature rich but you pay a price for that in stability. I will defiantly pick up the new iPhone 5 when it comes out, that's if the rumors are true, 4 inches baby come on. Sorry if I sound snooty, I've read a lot of your posts and most of you are pretty militant when it comes to people having a negative opinion towards the iPhone. Well I don't have a negative attitude it's just different, I've owned Mac computers for a long time. The iPhone 4s though was my first phone from them and I wasn't to impressed but I have no doubt with a larger screen and the new iOS6 I will be a content person. Still wish they would give us a MiniSD card though, I own like 12 cards now, ranging from 16GB to 64GB. What the heck am I going to do with them all.

"That model marked the debut of Apple's "Retina display" branding, which packs twice the pixels of the iPhone 3GS screen into the same screen size."

 

Pardon my being pedantic, but the number of pixels was quadrupled, the resolution was doubled.

 

 

 

I do not see any point in increasing size without increasing resolution.

The only reason I need my screen bigger is to have more information available (less zooming and scrolling in Safari, more details and no black bars for HD content) 

 

And I just can't believe Apple will do such a gimmick move that is "You needed a bigger screen here it is... It's not as sharp as on iPhone-4 but still qualifies for Retina". It is not Apple-like at all.

I'm surprised yours was the first post to mention it. That was something of a hobby here not to long ago, pointing out that it's 2x res, 4x pix.

 

Your statement is well supported in this article: http://opensignalmaps.com/reports/fragmentation.php

Totally this!

Then you haven't perused this article: http://opensignalmaps.com/reports/fragmentation.php

It's actually much more than that: http://opensignalmaps.com/reports/fragmentation.php

Huh? What you talking 'bout, boy?

If they don't, then they should. http://opensignalmaps.com/reports/fragmentation.php

You said it all right there! And even those who write for a few different hardware handsets are not making the money they could with iOS app development. No one is happy with the money they make with Android, including Google.

 

I want everyone to note that I restrained myself from telling him what to do with his miniSD cards.

 

I'll add to that by noting that I restrained myself from my usual point-by-point teardown, but I appreciate the tip of the hat mid-post, anyway! 

 

One, would be "a developer."

Two, would be "a couple developers."

Three, would be "a few developers."

Four, would be "some developers."

Five to nine, would be "a number of developers."

We then go through several more steps before we get to calling each developer out by profession as Steve Ballmer once did.

I'm surprised you read that whole compressed diatribe. Machine code would have been only slightly more difficult to read.

Edited by ljocampo - 5/21/12 at 5:56pm

 

Well, frankly, I would not buy or use an apps designed that way even if it was free and useful. It's just an app example of a very poorly designed app. Nothing more.

Well I'll tell you what, you can have them if you'll do what you wanted me to do with them. No reason to get emotional over pieces metal and wires partner. Everyone has their one personal preferences and it's great that you don't need external storage but some of us thinks it's a pretty handy feature especially when you use the phone as a storage device. I guess it doesn't matter as the iPhone doesn't support mounting the device as a normal storage device when connected to a computer. So I can live with out it. I'll just buy one of those new 128GB USB drives. I've been eyeing one for a while now.

 

Wow, okay then. You didn't ask for me to clarify, don't care. I said something negative against Apple and that's it, I've been written off. Yea, I'm sorry but you can have this forum sir, I will delete my membership. You know I was really excited to find Appleinsider but your response as a Senior person here wasn't very nice. I'm not going to fight you as I have read a lot of your posts and you are just a very nasty person. You also spend way to much time hear so I think it will better if I just go. Goodbye.

I have no idea what you wrote in your previous statement — save for the bolded part added by Quinney — I only know that it was not formatted in a way that would make it pleasant to read so I passed it by. Paragraphs exist for a reason.

Most writing is done is to communicate to someone else. For this reason it behooves the writer to present their words and ideas in a way that makes them easy to read and above all makes them easy to understand. You do yourself a disservice when you don't at least strive for making your point as clear as possible.

I certainly don't agree with the MiniSD card but that doesn't mean you don't have other ideas I might agree with or ideas that I only agree with because you've made such an elegant and convincing case. Unfortunately I will not read your 500 word paragraph so I will not know if you did have something worthwhile to share with me.

As for this "Senior person" comment the number of comments you've made mean nothing, what matters is the quality of your comments. The wonderful thing about internet forums is that regardless of appearance, age, gender, et al. You are judged solely on your words. Your identity is only what you publish.
Edited by SolipsismX - 5/21/12 at 6:21pm

There's are now wireless drives you can use, I think Seagate makes a 500GB version which isnt to exspensive. I to have asked many times as to why Apple doesnt include a MiniSD slot but the only response you'll get here is buy a model that holds more. You mentioned that you Jail Broke your device, you can then also use the photo adapter as a normal SD card now. Yes it does mean that a plastic thing will stick out a little but it's better then nothing. I it use with my iPad and it works well enough, Make sure to use fast cards though, class 10 I noticed a lot of lag with class 4 and 6.
Edited by Relic - 5/21/12 at 6:29pm

Just use your return button after every 4 to 6 sentences. Yea there are a few members who are a little aggresive, I find it charming how much they love something that doesn't love them back. Stick around, this forum is full of usefull articles and info, not everone is like Solip. here, he just needs a big hug.

 

It's just hard to find a forum where it's not populated by extremist, your either a iPhone guy or an Android guy. They never have any room for both it must be one or the other. It's okay that SolipsismX doesn't think MiniSD cards are useful, Apple doesn't use it so it's only logical that it must not be important, I get that. I do the same thing with Busch products. It's just the personal attacks that seem to happen a lot here that get me. If he didn't understand my post or if I didn't follow some thread etiquette he should have just nicely said would you please restructure your post, I would have done it in a heart beat. No, it's just snide comments, one after another, a contest to see who can be the most condescending. 

 

Aging population.  When I first got my iPhone 4 it was awesome.  Then I hit some magic age and my near vision went to hell.

 

I read that when it first came out. Yes there are lots of devices as shown in the image but in terms of variations in capabilities it is not as bad as it first looks. For example, just look at the screen sizes. At first it seems scary but most devices have roughly the same aspect ratio (as can be seen by how the points on the graph form a line) and since elements can be anchored to the edges of the screen or dynamically resized it really isn't that hard to create good screen layouts.

 

The reason is very pragmatic.  Apple makes more money without a MiniSD slot in the devices.

 

For some consumers this is the epitome of evil.  For others with orphaned Palm and other products where the companies have gone under there is a distinct advantage where you can be sure that the ecosystem you bought into has legs.

 

Folks that like Apple's design philosophy accept that high margins is part of that equation.

i think it's simpler than that. It's inelegant, convoluted, slow, and only a small subset of users want these slots. Even now when you look at the APR the highest capacity isn't the one being bought over all others.

It used to be a way for vendor to ship with several dozen MB or a few hundred MB of storage so they can reduce costs. Apple stepped up the game with their high capacity storage and you can still find plenty of new phones that don't have anything as close to what Apple offers.

Another issue is speed. One of the reasons Apple's devices feel so fast is they aren't going with cheap or slow NAND. AnandTech has made mention of this on several occasions. You simply can't get that with MicroSD cards. As move up in class trying to get close to Apple's NAND speed for a given quantity the costs start to get crazy. Not the bargain basement prices that some say are proof that Apple is cheating them.

And can you imagine if the average user had to manage between two drives in their device the way that Android users have to do? It's ridiculous! The iPhone, iPad and iPod are the most popular and profitable products in all three of their market categories because of the choices Apple has made...not in spite of as some would like you think.

 

Bingo. Apple can certainly the make the transition easier by keeping the same aspect ratio, but even if Apple gets some wonky ratio and resolution, the developers will still be all over it ASAP to take advantage of "made for the new iPhone" rush.

 

 

 

You guys are being total bully's here.  This is classic bully behaviour.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves.  

 

Has this forum really got to the state that some kid posts an enthusiastic post and all you think about is pilling on, insulting him/her, belittling him/her etc. 

 

I've been posting at this site off and on for longer than some of you have been moderators (and it's disgusting that some of you are moderators and engage in this kind of behaviour), and I wouldn't dream of doing anything this cheesy and shallow.  

 

The way I read the post, the person sounds like a teenager or a kid.  Don't any of you have kids?  Do you really fell proud of yourselves making fun of someone for no reason than to make yourselves look better?  

 

Absolutely F*cking DISGUSTING behaviour. 

 

Bravo.  What noble men you are. 

 

I dare you to not only apologise, but to give yourselves the same kind of warnings and banning that you so freely hand out to others and cheer when they get them.  

 

Disgusting. 

YOu need to know that I didn't jump in on this one. It was being done so well by experts I felt overwhelmed and in awe.

Shit! I had no idea there was a contest. No one tells me anything...