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Samsung has again contended that the design of its smartphones, including the new Galaxy S III, has not changed due to litigation from Apple.

"Our change in smartphone design is part of a five-year plan, not a sudden turn-around," Samsung design Vice President Chang Dong-hoon told reporters at the 2012 Seoul Digital Forum, according to The Verge.

The curved shape of the new Galaxy S III is a design that has gone through hundreds of iterations, he said, adding that Samsung is a market leader in design. Changes from the design of previous Samsung phones, including more curved sides and the lack of a black version, have led to speculation that the Galaxy S III was designed to avoid becoming a target of Apple's "trade dress" patent infringement lawsuit.

The Galaxy S III was unveiled early this month by Samsung as the company's new flagship Android-based smartphone. It features a 4.8-inch Super AMOLED screen and a 1.4-gigahertz quad-core processor, and runs Google's Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich operating system.

Some Android enthusiast websites were unhappy when the design of the Galaxy S III was unveiled, and speculated that the design changes implemented by Samsung were in response to Apple's lawsuits. An editorial at Android Police called the new phone "ugly," and declared it to be "the first smartphone designed entirely by lawyers," offering a detailed analysis of how the handset avoids Apple's trade-dress complaints.

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Apple's suit filed in April of 2011 claims Samsung's products have stolen the look and feel of the iPhone and iPad in a number of ways. Specifically, Apple's suit asserts that its iconic iPhone design features a rectangular shape with all four corners uniformly rounded, a front surface dominated by a screen surface with black borders, a metallic surrounding frame, and an operating system with a grid of colorful square icons with uniformly rounded corners along with a bottom row of docked icons.

So far, Apple's legal action against Samsung has found some success, as a handful of injunctions have been lodged against various Samsung products for alleged patent infringement. This week, Apple won an appeal in the U.S. and subsequently filed for another injunction against Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1, which could lead to it being pulled from selves as early as June.

Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook is meeting with Samsung CEO Choi Gee-sung in California this week in court-supervised mediation talks. The judge presiding over the patent infringement case between the two companies required that the CEOs become personally involved in hopes that a resolution could be reached out of court before the case goes to trial in San Jose at the end of July.
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If there's nothing to the rumor, why even comment on it? No one has even heard the rumor about lawyers designing the phone except a few geeks on online forums - and most of them are going to stick with Android, anyway.

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Samsung has again contended that the design of its smartphones, including the new Galaxy S III, has not changed due to litigation from Apple.
"Our change in smartphone design is part of a five-year plan, not a sudden turn-around," Samsung design Vice President Chang Dong-hoon told reporters at the 2012 Seoul Digital Forum, according to The Verge.

 

Way to confuse your more gullible readers, AI!

 

For those too lazy to follow the link to the source, here's the quote from the Verge: "When the question was put to Samsung design VP Chang Dong-hoon earlier today, though, he denied any such thing." 

 

So, he didn't say it out of the blue, he was replying to a direct question.

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Way to confuse your more gullible readers, AI!

 

For those too lazy to follow the link to the source, here's the quote from the Verge: "When the question was put to Samsung design VP Chang Dong-hoon earlier today, though, he denied any such thing." 

 

So, he didn't say it out of the blue, he was replying to a direct question.

 

Are you saying the quote Apple Insider is using is a lie?  

 

It seems to me that if your quote and their quote are both true, then Apple Insider's characterisation of the event is true.  The only way it can really be a misrepresentation is if the quote they use is entirely fabricated. 

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Are you saying the quote Apple Insider is using is a lie?  

 

It seems to me that if your quote and their quote are both true, then Apple Insider's characterisation of the event is true.  The only way it can really be a misrepresentation is if the quote they use is entirely fabricated. 

Moreover, this (weirdly defensive) part of the quote makes it a perfectly valid story: "....not a sudden turnaround...."

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 An editorial at Android Police called the new phone "ugly," and declared it to be "the first smartphone designed entirely by lawyers," offering a detailed analysis of how the handset avoids Apple's trade-dress complaints.

 

I guess good design is hard eh?

 

Nokia has good looking kit...I like the design of the Lumia 900.  The cyan one is very striking.

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace. Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

This kind of competition is good and healthy. Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products. That is how healthy competition works. Not bitching because someone else used a rectangular shape with rounded uniform corners. What are they going to complain about next? The use of wifi chips? Producing phones that have a touchscreen?

 

Seriously Apple your really grasping at straws with this one. It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

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Are you saying the quote Apple Insider is using is a lie?  

 

It seems to me that if your quote and their quote are both true, then Apple Insider's characterisation of the event is true.  The only way it can really be a misrepresentation is if the quote they use is entirely fabricated. 

 

No, I'm saying that some were seemingly confused that Samsung's-statement-was-unprovoked-and-thus-suspiciously-defensive. It's a reasonable article for anyone with half a brain; moreover, AI did provide a link to the source for the more curious reader. However, the quote that I added supplied the additional info that Samsung's statement was a reply to a direct question, something that was missing from the AI report. That's why I also said AI would confuse the "more gullible" and "lazy" users. So don't get all up in arms, unless you feel that I meant you.

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace. Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

This kind of competition is good and healthy. Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products. That is how healthy competition works. Not bitching because someone else used a rectangular shape with rounded uniform corners. What are they going to complain about next? The use of wifi chips? Producing phones that have a touchscreen?

 

Seriously Apple your really grasping at straws with this one. It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

I'll let the pros take this one. lol.gif

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power.

 

That's phenomenal, cosmic power, thanks. They're currently working on the itty bitty living space.

 

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It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace.

 

Okay, competition in what regard? Not customer service. Not user experience. Not mindshare. Not profits. And not even usage stats.

 

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Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

Aside from virtually every survey showing Apple is being used and Android isn't. Sure, they've punched out more cookie-cutter devices than Apple. But as that's the only thing you can ever say, no one cares.

 

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Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products.

 

Ah, the old, "Apple needs to innovate" sketch. I do so love this one! Come on now, give it the old college try! Why, and if I may be so bold, WHY, is Apple the only company in the industry allowed to innovate, hmm? Because not a one of the others is doing it. You answer me that with something that isn't nonsense and I'll maybe start taking you seriously.

 

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That is how healthy competition works.

 

Funny, I… could have sworn that you were talking about competition. Strange, because… you know, competition doesn't involve stealing your competitor's entire OS UI so that you can compete in their market.

 

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It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

You know, I think we need more people like him here. That was the best laugh I've had in years.

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...Cowards!

 

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I guess good design is hard eh?

 

Nokia has good looking kit...I like the design of the Lumia 900.  The cyan one is very striking.

 

I think I've seen that 'Lumia 900' design before...

 

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 "...Samsung is a market leader in design."

 

HA!  I needed a good laugh today!

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I guess good design is hard eh?

 

Nokia has good looking kit...I like the design of the Lumia 900.  The cyan one is very striking.

 

sure, because it is just a copy of the blue ipod nano stretched out a bit.  Someone had a picture on this forum a while back of the two side by side....Nokia copied Apple big time.

 

 

found it: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/134757/nokia-launches-first-windows-phones-to-take-on-apples-iphone-4s/80#post_1974874

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sure, because it is just a copy of the blue ipod nano stretched out a bit.  Someone had a picture on this forum a while back of the two side by side....Nokia copied Apple big time.


found it: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/134757/nokia-launches-first-windows-phones-to-take-on-apples-iphone-4s/80#post_1974874

Nonsense. They don't look even remotely alike other than the color.

I suspect that it was a stock color. When you request an anodized aluminum in medium blue, there probably aren't many choices.

Comparing the Lumia phone to an iPod nano is just plain silly.
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Nonsense. They don't look even remotely alike other than the color.

 

And shape. And hardware design.

 

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I suspect that it was a stock color. When you request an anodized aluminum in medium blue, there probably aren't many choices.

 

Pretty sure you can get it in any color you want. Apple certainly has no problem doing that. And are they anodized? I could have sworn the last anodized product Apple made was the G5-cum-Mac Pro case. 

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace. Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

This kind of competition is good and healthy. Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products. That is how healthy competition works. Not bitching because someone else used a rectangular shape with rounded uniform corners. What are they going to complain about next? The use of wifi chips? Producing phones that have a touchscreen?

 

Seriously Apple your really grasping at straws with this one. It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

Now there's a thought....

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Nonsense. They don't look even remotely alike other than the color.
I suspect that it was a stock color. When you request an anodized aluminum in medium blue, there probably aren't many choices.
Comparing the Lumia phone to an iPod nano is just plain silly.

 

Did you even look at the image?  The Lumina looks exactly like a stretched iPod Nano as it should since the copied it almost exactly.

 

More pictures....http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/.  Just stretch the ipod nano taller and a tiny bit wider and you have the cloner Nokia Lumina.

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace. Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

This kind of competition is good and healthy. Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products. That is how healthy competition works. Not bitching because someone else used a rectangular shape with rounded uniform corners. What are they going to complain about next? The use of wifi chips? Producing phones that have a touchscreen?

 

Seriously Apple your really grasping at straws with this one. It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

 

Are you kidding me? Have you even seen the iPhone next to the Samsung phone in question? It's a pretty blatant ripoff. If it weren't for the sluggish legal processes and tricksy lawyers this lawsuit would be over in an afternoon.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am all for diversity and competition, and I think there are excellent W7 and Android phones out there - competition leads to better innovation, better prices, and ultimately more choices for the consumer. However, what Samsung did in this case is just tasteless, and is on par with those ridiculous Chinese iPhone and iPad knockoffs. Whether you are an Apple fanboy or not, it's clear that Samsung should pay the full price for copy and pasting Apple's design.

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Did you even look at the image?  The Lumina looks exactly like a stretched iPod Nano as it should since the copied it almost exactly.

More pictures....http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/.  Just stretch the ipod nano taller and a tiny bit wider and you have the cloner Nokia Lumina.

Saying they look exactly alike is axiomatically wrong. There are certainly similarities but there are similarities in most products of the same category.

Where is the Lumia's click wheel? Where is the Nano's touchscreen display taking up the entire front? Where are the tapered top and bottom on the Nano?

They are both beveled but do not use the same curve unlike Samsung's design. Samsung even went so far to copy very minute aestheic details which are not the same as saying that because both are designed around one's hand and the properties of the electronics they are stealing each other's IP.

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"Our change in smartphone design is part of a five-year plan, not a sudden turn-around," Samsung design Vice President Chang Dong-hoon told reporters at the 2012 Seoul Digital Forum, according to The Verge.

 

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It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

You know, I think we need more people like him here. That was the best laugh I've had in years.

 

 

No sir, you are wrong this time. He is just an absolute idiot. That is not a laughing matter!

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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace.

1. Before the iPhone everyone was making blackberry knockoffs. After the iPhone, it's all iPhone knockoffs

2. Samsung is suing Apple over FRAND patents that Samsung is legally required to license to everyone under the same terms, but refused to do do with Apple.

So if you are going to say Apple is corrupt and scared, you have to say the same about Samsung. Because their stunts are way worse than Apple.

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Aside from virtually every survey showing Apple is being used and Android isn't. Sure, they've punched out more cookie-cutter devices than Apple. But as that's the only thing you can ever say, no one cares..

Time for a rousing chorus of 'we've shipped more, we've shipped more. Who cares that that 50% of the 1/10th that go out come back in the door.'

Oh nd it's not Allowed to innovate, it's required to. As in, Apple is required to innovate while the rest can just be 'inspired' by what someone else (typically Apple) does.

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"Our change in smartphone design is part of a five-year plan, not a sudden turn-around," 

 

This sound very much like the Communist North Korea is running Samsung. "five-year plan". It is time we really have to think hard when buying Samsung products.

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Where is the Lumia's click wheel? 

 

where is the Nano's click wheel?  It does not have one.  Why are you bringing it up?

 

 

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 Where is the Nano's touchscreen display taking up the entire front? 
 
Umm....the Nano's touchscreen display _does_ take up the entire front.  
 
 
 
Other note: Look at the rounded screen on the Nano.  Yep, copied exactly on the lumina.
 
 
 
 
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If you guys can't tell the difference between what Samsung was doing and what Nokia does I can't help you.  

 

If you can't see the difference between the Nano (of whatever generation) and the Lumia I do know a good Opthamologist.

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Saying they look exactly alike is axiomatically wrong. There are certainly similarities but there are similarities in most products of the same category.
Where is the Lumia's click wheel? Where is the Nano's touchscreen display taking up the entire front? Where are the tapered top and bottom on the Nano?
They are both beveled but do not use the same curve unlike Samsung's design. Samsung even went so far to copy very minute aestheic details which are not the same as saying that because both are designed around one's hand and the properties of the electronics they are stealing each other's IP.

 

This close enough for you? [Photoshop: stretched a Nano 6th gen, dropped in an iPhone app screen, and placed it next to a Lumia. I didn't bother to approximate the curved surface of the 5th gen Nano that they appropriated ... you can use your imagination for that.]

 

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Methinks somebody needs to do some IP checking to ensure we aren't being overrun by sock puppets again.

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Methinks somebody needs to do some IP checking to ensure we aren't being overrun by sock puppets again.

Yep... check out also my kat wuvs me. I'd be very surprised if they'd go much above 1-2 posts.

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Nonsense. They don't look even remotely alike other than the color.

 

 

 

That they both have touchscreens covering the majority of the surface will result in some similarities.  The design details strike me as different between the two devices.  Sure both have a black touch screen with rounded edges on a colorful shell but there elements where I think to myself "this isn't the way Apple would have made this". 

 

It isn't bad, just different.  Ahtisaari is no Ives but his team did a good job, IMHO. 

 

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I suspect that it was a stock color. When you request an anodized aluminum in medium blue, there probably aren't many choices.

 

Actually the Lumia is polycarbonate.

 

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Comparing the Lumia phone to an iPod nano is just plain silly.

 

We agree with each other, twice. ZOMG.

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This close enough for you? [Photoshop: stretched a Nano 6th gen, dropped in an iPhone app screen, and placed it next to a Lumia. I didn't bother to approximate the curved surface of the 5th gen Nano that they appropriated ... you can use your imagination for that.]

 

nano_lumia.jpg

 

 

thanks RichS, although i am sure the blind people on this forum will _still_ say the cloner Nokia phone looks nothing like the nano.

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thanks RichS, although i am sure the blind people on this forum will _still_ say the cloner Nokia phone looks nothing like the nano.

Because it doesn't, why are you reaching for something that isn't there. Not everyone copy's Apple and certainaly not Nokia. Yes, I am fangirl of Nokia, have been for 20 years. The Nokia Lumia line is a very nice series. I still prefer the N9, as Meegos is still my favorite mobile OS of all time but Windows mobile and the Lumia design is original. Not to mention water resistant and can handle a 10 foot drop onto concrete. It's well designed and well built, made to last. I still own every Nokia phone I have ever bought, all of them still work. All 12 of them.

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Because it doesn't, why are you reaching for something that isn't there. 

 

Case in point.

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Because it doesn't, why are you reaching for something that isn't there. Not everyone copy's Apple and certainaly not Nokia. Yes, I am fangirl of Nokia, have been for 20 years. 

 

ah. the only person who would not see the blatant copying is a Nokia fan drone.

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ah. the only person who would not see the blatant copying is a Nokia fan drone.

So I'm a Nokia fan drone?

Sorry, but you're wrong. I don't see that the Lumia is a copy of either iPod.
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This whole litigation of Samsung by Apple for such simple and widely used design aspects just goes to show how truly corrupt Apple is with power. It also shows that they are really afraid of the strong competition that Android products are bringing to the marketplace. Android has already surpassed iOS as the most widely used mobile OS in the world.

 

This kind of competition is good and healthy. Instead of lashing out with lies, litigation, and vitriol Apple should instead be focusing on really innovating and inventing new technologies and products. That is how healthy competition works. Not bitching because someone else used a rectangular shape with rounded uniform corners. What are they going to complain about next? The use of wifi chips? Producing phones that have a touchscreen?

 

Seriously Apple your really grasping at straws with this one. It shows that you don't really know how to invent and your innovations involve taking pre-existing technology and packaging it in a smaller, prettier package together. La-de-freaking-da! Cowards!

Wow you are a comedian right?  Been drinking too much of the android flavor aide?  You really need to get out more often and actually read facts before you post f. u. d.

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Of course lawyers didn't design it. It says right there in the picture, "Inspired By Nature".

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Then, for whom the iPad is designed?

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