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post #41 of 54
5/22/12 at 6:53pm
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Then they'd have to compete with Nokia who have a special deal with Microsoft.

 

In addition manufacturers are not allowed to modify the look of the Windows Phone OS making it much harder to differentiate themselves from the competition.

 

 

A license for Window Phone isn't much more then hardware manufactures already pay for a Microsoft Android license not to mention the cost of patent litigation costs to defend their use of Android. Going to Windows would be cheaper. Differentiating themselves from other Windows Phone licensees would be a problem, but that is still a problem for Android users. They don't advertise the customizations to Android, they just advertise their phones as being Android based. Moreover, the varying flavors of Android really aren't that different. 

 

Further, most Android phones are cheaply made, even Samsung's top of the line Galaxy phones. The materials are cheap plastic. Nokia actually makes decent hardware, and if I weren't an iPhone user, I would go with Nokia. 

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post #42 of 54
5/22/12 at 6:57pm

Absolute rubbish. Have you read the pre-order figures for the new Samsung Galaxy SIII, and it isn't even sexy looking!? Amazed me how Apple fans are in total denial about Android.

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post #43 of 54
5/22/12 at 7:04pm
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Have you read the pre-order figures for the new Samsung Galaxy SIII…

 

Unless it's greater than sales of the iPhone 4 or even the 3GS, who cares?

 

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, and it isn't even sexy looking!? Amazed me how Apple fans are in total denial about Android.

 

What do we deny that it doesn't already itself?

PhilBoogie
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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PhilBoogie
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
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post #44 of 54
5/22/12 at 7:05pm
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Hardware manufacturers probably would love to dump Android now. Except Motorola,  every Android  hardware manufacturer pays a royalty to Microsoft already which roughly translates to what they'd pay Microsoft for a OS license. Further, Microsoft indemnifies hardware partners from lawsuits over parents, something Google does not do. Manufacturers, however, aren't going to abandon Android unless they can get customers to use something else. 

That's undoubtedly true. But if you were a phone OEM, you'd definitely be giving Windows Mobile a lot more attention. Perhaps instead of selling only Android phones, you might have a couple of Windows phones. Or perhaps instead of 2 Windows phones, you might have 5.

However it plays out, it will work to Microsoft's advantage.
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post #45 of 54
5/22/12 at 7:39pm

 Sanjay Jha...dude seriously earned his millions.  My god he sold the proverbial sows ear as a $12.5B silk purse to Google by pointing a loaded patent gun at Samsung.

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post #46 of 54
5/22/12 at 9:10pm

I understand that Google is trying to be "nice" here, but if they really want Android to succeed then they need to follow Apple's business plan and close off Android to Motorola's phones.  Doing so will help eliminate the OS fragmentation that exists today and make Android more competitive against iOS.

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post #47 of 54
5/23/12 at 3:08am

Ah, so $12billion down the drain is now official. 

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post #48 of 54
5/23/12 at 3:24am

In an early win for Google's newly purchased patent portfolio, the ITC court published it's recommendation yesterday that Microsoft's Xbox be barred from importation, having been deemed infringing on a couple of Moto patents. Assuming the board confirms the judge's recommendation it goes to a Presidential Review, same as Apple's request to bar the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Unfortunately for MS, Moto's isn't asserting easy-to-fix design patents as Apple is (they're not FRAND either), but personally I'd expect the President to come to their rescue if/when it gets that far.

 

So on it goes...

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/05/748131-480637.pdf

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/05/itc-judge-recommends-import-ban-on-microsofts-xbox/?comments=1#comments-bar

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post #49 of 54
5/23/12 at 5:37am
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In an early win for Google's newly purchased patent portfolio, the ITC court published it's recommendation yesterday that Microsoft's Xbox be barred from importation, having been deemed infringing on a couple of Moto patents. Assuming the board confirms the judge's recommendation it goes to a Presidential Review, same as Apple's request to bar the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Unfortunately for MS, Moto's isn't asserting easy-to-fix design patents as Apple is (they're not FRAND either), but personally I'd expect the President to come to their rescue if/when it gets that far.

So on it goes...
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/05/748131-480637.pdf
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/05/itc-judge-recommends-import-ban-on-microsofts-xbox/?comments=1#comments-bar

Why in the world would the President 'come to the rescue' if ITC turns out to be correct and xBox is banned? It's hardly strategic for U.S. interests.

Furthermore, it's a little early to be counting chickens on this one. ITC has a record of being overturned very, very often. Even if the board confirms the judge's recommendations, Microsoft can head to court to get the ban stayed and the issue heard by a real court.
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post #50 of 54
5/23/12 at 6:31am
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In an early win for Google's newly purchased patent portfolio, the ITC court published it's recommendation yesterday that Microsoft's Xbox be barred from importation, having been deemed infringing on a couple of Moto patents. Assuming the board confirms the judge's recommendation it goes to a Presidential Review, same as Apple's request to bar the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Unfortunately for MS, Moto's isn't asserting easy-to-fix design patents as Apple is (they're not FRAND either), but personally I'd expect the President to come to their rescue if/when it gets that far.

 

So on it goes...

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2012/05/748131-480637.pdf

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/05/itc-judge-recommends-import-ban-on-microsofts-xbox/?comments=1#comments-bar

Personally, I appreciate Google's effort.  I am sure this will make a lot of Xbox users quite pleased.  Banning a wildly popular consumer product is not a good strategy for the "Do no Evil" company.

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post #51 of 54
5/23/12 at 7:36am
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Personally, I appreciate Google's effort.  I am sure this will make a lot of Xbox users quite pleased.  Banning a wildly popular consumer product is not a good strategy for the "Do no Evil" company.

There's a really simple time-honored and proven solution: Negotiate a cross-licensing agreement as is frequently done when two companies have a boatload of IP that both need in order to offer their products and services.

 

If MS would rather not do that, then what other avenue would you suggest to Motorola?

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post #52 of 54
5/23/12 at 8:18am

For those who aren't sure what impact an ITC ruling has, here's the process.

 

ITC administrative law judges hold hearings to investigate claims of IP infringements for products imported into the US, under authority of the Tariff Act. Their judges' findings and recommendations are then heard by the full ITC commission board who can do a few things with it. They can accept the courts recommendations, they can accept with minor changes, or they can send it back to the court to reconsider.

 

In this case if Judge Shaw's ruling is accepted by the ITC commission it becomes final and then sent to Pres. Obama. He has 60 days to review it, tossing it out if he chooses or letting it ride. After that 60-day review period the final determination can only be appealed to the Federal Court of Appeals.


Edited by Gatorguy - 5/23/12 at 8:25am

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post #53 of 54
5/23/12 at 8:22am
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For those who aren't sure what impact an ITC ruling has, here's the process.










ITC administrative law judges investigate claims of IP infringement against products that are imported to the US, under authority of the Tariff Act. Their judges' findings and recommendations  are then heard by the full ITC commission board, who can do a few different things with it. They can accept the courts recommendations, which makes them final, they can accept with minor changes, or they can send it back to the ITC judge to reconsider.



 



In this case, if Judge Shaw's ruling is accepted by the ITC commission, it's final and sent to Pres. Obama who has 60 days to look at it, tossing it out if he so chooses or letting it proceed. After that 60-day review period an order banning specific versions of the Xbox can only be appealed to the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals.


Yes, but that doesn't answer the question. Why would Obama 'come to Microsoft's rescue' if ITC rules against them?
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post #54 of 54
5/27/12 at 9:58pm

nor did apple invent the touch screen, pitch to zoom, the cell phone for that matter. -Wait a minute, didn't motorolla do that?

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