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Is this supposed to prove that Ive hasn't copied anything by putting his work next to objects that are nothing like them? If so, well done.

 

I think there are some obvious references actually, but people who post pictures like this might trust as well walk around with shirts that say "I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ART OR DESIGN" on the front.  No real artist or designer would ever see this as "copying."  

 

Especially with minimalist, modern designs, the design language is very limited.

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No, most companies does not try to do that. That's why Apple is unique.

Agree!  

 

Unlike the SJ-infused DNA of prioritizing the USER-experience OVER profit, most companies make gadgets/products with the mind-set of HOW MUCH can we squeeze PROFIT from this product!
 
SJ was an incurable idealist-cum-hippie, and that was reflected on how he design, build and produce all of his Apple products, which truly makes Apple unique and a stand-out!!
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Still, Ive might not be completely satisfied with Apple's output. When asked about skeuomorphic design features like fake leather texture and stitching in iOS and OS X, he visibly winced in way that the interviewer interpreted as a "gesture of sympathy."

 

Just this last weekend I watched a session from the 2010 WWDC called "iPad and iPhone User Interface Design" by a couple of the Apple software guys and it was amazing.  It was very insightful and literally inspiring.  They talked specifically about the decisions to use wood texture for the iBooks bookcase and leather (not "fake leather," duh) and stitching for the Notes app, and why the torn paper is there.  Obviously you can disagree with their design choices (as you can with any of Ive's decisions), but the obvious attention to detail and love (no other word for it) that went into those apps and the iOS in general was impressive.  The success of the iPhone and iPad (and thereby Apple) is much more a function of the work of software teams than anyone else.  But of course the other "secret" of Apple is that all the teams work very closely together.  I work at a much smaller company and we have more silos of expertise and independent decision making than Apple.  What I got out of "the book" was Jobs genius in forcing everyone to work together hold each other to the highest standards.  Being an executive at Apple must be harder than most places (since you can't just throw up walls around your own people and projects and be successful on your own terms), but they are doing a lot of things right.

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That's the thing, he has actually said this before. 

Also, nothing personal to Sir Ive, he is a great designer but ... he is also a veritable king of platitudes and literally oozes insincerity at every orifice.  

 

If one takes the time, one can find his ever-so-earnest, superlative, yet completely empty remarks being repeated for every product he's ever created.  

At least the ones they did video's for. 

 

What you don't seem to get is the fact that many people -- especially us shareholders -- like it that way. Competitors are reduced to stealing and deconstructing ideas from the finished product rather than work-in-progress. It is a critical component of what keeps Apple ahead of its competitors for at least a couple of years in its development cycle.

 

 

Too many people in too many companies have loose lips. 

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Originally Posted by ILM1997 View Post

Since Jonathan Ivy's design sense is so acute, he would be a perfect fit for the entire design of Apples products. ... Why not expand Jonathans role to include beautiful software UI design too ?

 

Given the absolute hatred for skeuomorphic design amongst the tech crowd, people will probably hate me for saying this, but ...

 

The fact that he doesn't like the skeuomorphism in some of the iOS apps (hinted at in the source article), is actually a sign that he doesn't understand the software design and probably shouldn't have a say in it.  There are very good reasons for what Apple is doing in that regard.  

 

If he doesn't "get" that, he shouldn't be involved IMO. 

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...  the day of his official knighting ceremony ...

 

 

Gosh, has anyone watched the video of the knighting ceremony? 

 

I feel sorry for the guy.  

Knighted by Princess Margaret instead of the Queen, wearing the worst fitting suit I've ever seen, sweating profusely, intensely nervous ... Yikes.  

 

Poor Jonny!

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Just this last weekend I watched a session from the 2010 WWDC called "iPad and iPhone User Interface Design" by a couple of the Apple software guys and it was amazing.  It was very insightful and literally inspiring.  They talked specifically about the decisions to use wood texture for the iBooks bookcase and leather (not "fake leather," duh) and stitching for the Notes app, and why the torn paper is there.  Obviously you can disagree with their design choices (as you can with any of Ive's decisions), but the obvious attention to detail and love (no other word for it) that went into those apps and the iOS in general was impressive.

I cant say I like the way iCal or Address Book looks but There is certainly a need for skeuomorphs in design, especially when dealing with consumer software that are representing physical objects.

That said, there is definitely a fine line between using ornamental and structural design cues that evoke a comfortable and familiar feeling, and making something tacky and cumbersome.

While I don't like iCal's look I don't think it's tacky and certainly not cumbersome. Address Book on the order hand I find consumer ably more cumbersome to use.

At some point the need for archiac familiarity tends to fall away as we no longer need the mental correlation and by retaining it we can progress the usability in new ways. I hope that is sooner rather than later and not like MS still using a floppy disc icon to indicate Save.


PS: Personally I wish that Address Book and iCal would have the option to be shown in Mail as a side item as I tend to use these apps in conjunction and dislike switching between all three for tasks but I know Ipmy interest here is typical. With ML even Notes and Reminders become separate apps that fill up my Dock with even more clutter.

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post #48 of 104

Unfortunately, you have only scratched the surface.  This is how Dieter feels about being ripped off:

 

 

Also:  http://www.businessofdesignonline.com/picasso-good-artists-copy/

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

That's the thing, he has actually said this before. 
Also, nothing personal to Sir Ive, he is a great designer but ... he is also a veritable king of platitudes and literally oozes insincerity at every orifice.  

If one takes the time, one can find his ever-so-earnest, superlative, yet completely empty remarks being repeated for every product he's ever created.  
At least the ones they did video's for. 

So what are you suggesting? That Apple should hire a second-rate designer who doesn't use platitudes?

I couldn't care less whether Ive uses platitudes or empty remarks. His job is to create great products - and he does that exceptionally well.

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Since Jonathan Ivy's design sense is so acute, he would be a perfect fit for the entire design of Apples products. From hardware design to UI design, what is wrapped up in him he would make very successful UI's well into the future that would me so married to the hardware, so intricately related would be a thing of total art.
So how about it Apple ? Why not expand Jonathans role to include beautiful software UI design too ?
I really think this is where Apple can continue to excel. Then things like the icons on the Apple TV in its UI could be made more beautiful again.
Just my 2c.

What evidence do you have that:
a. Ive's incredible hardware design skills would translate to software?
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b. That Apple's software group doesn't listen to Ive, anyway?

I suspect that Apple knows what it's doing a heck of a lot more than you do.
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post #50 of 104

And from Dierter Rams the Braun designer ..

 

"I have always regarded Apple products – and the kind words Jony Ive has said about me and my work – as a compliment. Without doubt there are few companies in the world that genuinely understand and practise the power of good design in their products and their businesses."

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Just this last weekend I watched a session from the 2010 WWDC called "iPad and iPhone User Interface Design" by a couple of the Apple software guys and it was amazing.  It was very insightful and literally inspiring.  They talked specifically about the decisions to use wood texture for the iBooks bookcase and leather (not "fake leather," duh) and stitching for the Notes app, and why the torn paper is there.  Obviously you can disagree with their design choices (as you can with any of Ive's decisions), but the obvious attention to detail and love (no other word for it) that went into those apps and the iOS in general was impressive.  The success of the iPhone and iPad (and thereby Apple) is much more a function of the work of software teams than anyone else.  But of course the other "secret" of Apple is that all the teams work very closely together.  I work at a much smaller company and we have more silos of expertise and independent decision making than Apple.  What I got out of "the book" was Jobs genius in forcing everyone to work together hold each other to the highest standards.  Being an executive at Apple must be harder than most places (since you can't just throw up walls around your own people and projects and be successful on your own terms), but they are doing a lot of things right.

Thanks for this post. I think it was an irrelevant question on the interviewer's part to raise this in the first place. Ive is responsible for the hardware, not the software, where different rules apply.

You can play around with eye candy in software—it costs close to nothing once it's designed, and you can always change it. The skeuomorphic stuff in Notes or Calender is there out of a sense of delight, or, as you say, love, and it doesn't hurt a thing to be there. It makes it fun for THE USER to be there. Geeks hate it because they are generally allergic to visual delight. Left-brain people interpret beauty as noise.

As for hardware, in the Jobs/Ive Zen aesthetic of deep simplicity, there is no room for decoration for its own sake. The delight comes from the absence of waste or any sort of fakery. Because it's material, every curve, recess, bump, or hole has a huge price in manufacturing, not to mention it will be sensed by the user's fingers as dishonest if it doesn't need to be there. Sir Jony probably winced at the question because it didn't need to be asked of him.

By the way, I happen to like the leather and wood stuff. It's tactile, or on its way to being tactile. It will look great in 3D when we finally get there. That's what they're working on now, come to think of it, and that's why he winced. Just a guess.
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"We have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

You really don't get it, do you. In the context of 'stealing ideas' from a creative stand point, it is a reference to the creative process of learning from your contemporaries and from the masters, and to use their ideas to develop your own and further your work beyond what has come before. It has nothing to do with blatant copying without adding something extraordinary and unique to the table.

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Gosh, has anyone watched the video of the knighting ceremony? 

 

I feel sorry for the guy.  

Knighted by Princess Margaret instead of the Queen, wearing the worst fitting suit I've ever seen, sweating profusely, intensely nervous ... Yikes.  

 

Poor Jonny!

There is nothing poor about Jony!  A humble yet amazingly talented, and accomplished human being!  To be knighted for his  brilliant accomplishments at Apple is just an icing on the cake in his incredibly illustrious career as a world-class and highly-respected designer!

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post #54 of 104
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So Ives sagely stating that the best and most important work is what his team is doing today gets extrapolated to mean he's working on a mythical Apple TV?  Please AI, stop making my eyes roll.     

 

To their credit, AI didn't say he was talking about a TV, just that some folks will make that leap of serious assumption. And they are correct, some folks will. 

 

as to the whole thing with the Queen, yes he would 'no comment' her. very gently and politely but the Queen, the POTUS etc don't override his contracts to keep his mouth shut. Not that they would probably ask since they understand this notion. 

 

And I like that he pointed out that Apple doesn't design based on or in reaction to what the other boys are doing. But he also pointed out that he's not the only cook in the kitchen, without directly tossing anyone under the bus in regards to things he doesn't care for. It's not his call or his veto so he has to let it stand even if he doesn't like it. 

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post #55 of 104
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"We have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

 

 

Trouble is that those other boys aren't just stealing the idea (which in the US has zero copyright protection and limited trademark/patent protection) but the actual expression of the idea (which is totally protectable and protected)

 

And even when the expression isn't under IP protection it is still rank and obnoxious when the other boys copy it and then claim they are 'innovating' and they should be allowed to do it to give users a choice. Sorry but the choice of buying the iPhone from Apple and what is basically the iPhone from someone else is not really choice, don't pretend it is. 

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post #56 of 104
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Thank God one person remains at Apple who can fulfill the legacy of Steve Jobs. Because it sure ain't Tim Cook. Ives is now the soul of Apple.
keep spouting your made up meme.

Tim Cook and Jon Ive are equals... chick and egg... whats more important?.

at a certain point you need someone to make the products, and Tim Cook has proven that he can do it.
if you can not make the product in vast quantities for an equal amount of profit, all is moot.

you need the idea (ive) egg, but the chicken (tim cook) is needed to make the profit.

who sets the price?... Tim Cook most likely has more input to that question than Ive does.(Ive creates?, Cook executes? )
post #57 of 104

Would Apple like to update their PR Bio page now?

 

http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/jonathan-ive.html

 

Congratulations to Sir Jony, very deserving on his part.

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"We have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

 

 

Oh please, the iPhone was a announced only a few months after the Prada appeared. It's not like Apple could have totally redesigned it from something quite different to a Prada-phone knockoff. You're also comparing the Prada-phone to the iPhone 4, not the original iPhone. There's similarity in appearance, but the iPhone wouldn't have looked any different if there never were a Prada-phone.

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It would be good to see something new, Jonathan.  It's been years.

 

“What our products will not speak to is a schedule”.

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I cant say I like the way iCal or Address Book looks but There is certainly a need for skeuomorphs in design, especially when dealing with consumer software that are representing physical objects.
That said, there is definitely a fine line between using ornamental and structural design cues that evoke a comfortable and familiar feeling, and making something tacky and cumbersome.
While I don't like iCal's look I don't think it's tacky and certainly not cumbersome. Address Book on the order hand I find consumer ably more cumbersome to use.
At some point the need for archiac familiarity tends to fall away as we no longer need the mental correlation and by retaining it we can progress the usability in new ways. I hope that is sooner rather than later and not like MS still using a floppy disc icon to indicate Save.
PS: Personally I wish that Address Book and iCal would have the option to be shown in Mail as a side item as I tend to use these apps in conjunction and dislike switching between all three for tasks but I know Ipmy interest here is typical. With ML even Notes and Reminders become separate apps that fill up my Dock with even more clutter.

Couldn't agree more. iCal doesn't look tacky because it is very well done and it will probably work better on a retina display. But like you, i don't like it and really hate the visual referencing back to 'ye good ol' days'.I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing will become more common with the introduction of retina displays. 

 

But luckily design is in a permanent state of flux and will move on. Luckily also that Apple's designers are of a high calibre and generally can be trusted to come up with something OK at worst. Usability is a different issue and the Address book is not great, though by learning and using a few short-cuts it gets better.

 

I too, am very ambivalent re the notes, reminders and ical as separate apps. I'd love a single app with different views. Enter everything in one place but view only reminders, notes or calendar items as you choose. Three apps to work with different aspects of the the same concept serves to confuse (me) more than it clarifies.

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"We have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas." - Steve Jobs

 

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post #62 of 104

anybody who does not clearly see the inspiration in the Braun designs for Ive's work does not know anything about design.

 

Ive has admitted in interviews being inspired by Braun, and to see the side-by-sides and pretend otherwise is simply obstinate pigheadedness.  

 

Its like seeing a red circle next to a blue one and finding no similarities.  Let me know how that works out for you.

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anybody who does not clearly see the inspiration in the Braun designs for Ive's work does not know anything about design.

Ive has admitted in interviews being inspired by Braun, and to see the side-by-sides and pretend otherwise is simply obstinate pigheadedness.  

Its like seeing a red circle next to a blue one and finding no similarities.  Let me know how that works out for you.

I don't see anyone claiming that Ive wasn't inspired by Braun. But that is a long way from Tune's ridiculous assertion that Apple blindly copied Braun's products.
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Hahaha most of those are a serious stretch, radios that look like g5 towers, speakers look like iMacs....hahaha umm yeah
 


Your being obtuse.

All design is borrowed design.

What do you think Ives studied in industrial design? 'How to come up with truly unique ideas that have never been conceived before'.

I don't that class exists.

Do you even know what 'material design' is? Or do you think Ives invented aluminum as well?

 

Go away fan boi

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Another hot bald (at least, shaved head) guy.  There's hope for me and my receding hairline yet.

 

And when does he find time to work out?  His arms are huge (at least, for someone who works in the Valley...)

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It's a form of apophenia but this has a much higher rate of delusion and psychosis attributed to it since it's clear that the objects are not the same, don't have the same use or components, and have to photographed in such a way as to offer some of the same angles, shapes and shadowing to make the illusion even remotely similar.


Fail

You clearly have zero insight into industrial design - but kudos on your vocabulary.

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And when does he find time to work out?  His arms are huge (at least, for someone who works in the Valley...)

Probably from lugging around all the prototype of the new Mac Pro. 1wink.gif

On the topic of the copying, there are some cases where they pay homage to other designs:

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It gives those designs a permanence they deserve. Most of them don't exist any more anywhere else. Where do you see Braun/Rams designs these days?

Apple doesn't in any way compete with Braun. If Ive can follow the same design principles and reach a common goal as Rams for the benefit of the consumers, it's all good. This isn't the same as copying a company you compete with, building lower quality products and trying to win on price.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8555503/Dieter-Rams-Apple-has-achieved-something-I-never-did.html

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I am always fascinated when I see the latest Apple products. Apple has managed to achieve what I never achieved: using the power of their products to persuade people to queue to buy them."
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Ive how about a redesign for the iMac, it's well overdue.
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Ive how about a redesign for the iMac, it's well overdue.

 

Overdue in what way? What point does a redesign serve? What does the current design not do that a different one would?

I see it dropping the ODD with the next update, but that doesn't necessitate a redesign, nor should (better not) get any thinner because of it.

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Fail
You clearly have zero insight into industrial design - but kudos on your vocabulary.
He has zero insight about psychology as well and he's using the terms wrong, gestalt would have been apt, but maybe that didn't sound sufficiently arcane, I am sure he doesn't know the etymology of the word he mentioned either.
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Overdue in what way? What point does a redesign serve? What does the current design not do that a different one would?


I see it dropping the ODD with the next update, but that doesn't necessitate a redesign, nor should (better not) get any thinner because of it.

I would like to see an ergonomic iMac a la g3 for a change. The current iMac is very poor In ergonomics.
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I see it dropping the ODD with the next update, but that doesn't necessitate a redesign, nor should (better not) get any thinner because of it.

Always thinner:

667

The changes will get less drastic as time goes on though.
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I would like to see an ergonomic iMac a la g3 for a change. The current iMac is very poor In ergonomics.

 

I don't suppose I understand, and for that I apologize. I find no trouble with the 27" Cinema Display that I use nor do I or my family with the 17" white iMac we still have. 

 

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Always thinner:
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The changes will get less drastic as time goes on though.

 

Gosh, I certainly hope not. Just use the space freed up by the removal of the ODD for the world's best cooling system. We need more power in the iMac, not less, particularly if that idiotic crap about discontinuing the Mac Pro is true…

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Overdue in what way? What point does a redesign serve? What does the current design not do that a different one would?

I would like to see the computer unit and drives unit detachable from the display (Imagine a kind of Mac Mini and an external drive fixed on either side of the back of an Apple Display). Then if anything went drastically wrong to an out-of-warranty Imac then at least the whole unit wouldn't be a right off. It would also mean customers could upgrade one item without buying a whole new unit. Apple already use the modular theme with the Mac Mini and it's various stackable add-ons. I once saw a Dell mini computer that clipped to the back of a Dell monitor - but Apple could do it so much better. I just hope Jonno reads this.

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It would also mean customers could upgrade one item without buying a whole new unit.

 

Go buy a PC tower. I agree that it'd be interesting to see a single bay drive tray on the iMac like how the Mac Pro works, but that and everything else mentioned are not what Apple intends.

 

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Apple already use the modular theme with the Mac Mini and it's various stackable add-ons.

 

What stackable add-ons? The Mac Mini is self-contained.

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"My focus is very much working with the other teams on the product ideas and then developing the hardware and so that's our focus and that's our responsibility," Ive said. "In terms of those elements you're talking about, I'm not really connected to that."

I just caught this...boy if that's not as close as he can get to say yeah the iCal and contacts, as well as the other skeomorphisms do look like shit, I don't know what is. Good to see some of us share a common taste with a design great.
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I don't suppose I understand, and for that I apologize. I find no trouble with the 27" Cinema Display that I use nor do I or my family with the 17" white iMac we still

Meant to say ergonomic a la iMac g4, sorry for that. 1smile.gif

Ot: huddler has an issue with displaying the most common emoticon in 1smile.gif, : ), the smiley face? Doesn't come up on my iPad 2..,
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Given the absolute hatred for skeuomorphic design amongst the tech crowd, people will probably hate me for saying this, but ...

 

The fact that he doesn't like the skeuomorphism in some of the iOS apps (hinted at in the source article), is actually a sign that he doesn't understand the software design and probably shouldn't have a say in it.  There are very good reasons for what Apple is doing in that regard.  

 

If he doesn't "get" that, he shouldn't be involved IMO. 

Skeuomorphism can be done beautifully and it can be done ugly. You may not have been around when programmers tried to make the Mac desktop look like an actual desktop. This was the era of butt-ugly design; mostly because programmers are often not esthetic designers. When I first saw the iBook bookcase, it was like a flashback to those early Mac days of butt-ugliness.

 

The wristwatch icon and the sand-clock of the earlier macs and windows PCs used instantly recognizable skeuomorphism to inform the user. When Apple switched to the eye catching beachball it was because the screen sizes had increased and the need to catch the users' eye became greater then the need to inform the user symbolically what was happening. 

 

Some skeuomorphismic symbols evolve slower than others. For a telephone the "bell" of "Ma Bell" was finally replaced with a handset in the 1970s. The handset of a landline still is used to indicate a cell phone (on a cell phone) icon. We still use the symbol of a floppy to indicate "save", and so on for various other symbols. However, in using skeuomorphism, one still needs to be aware of design details that are attractive. Few people have a really good eye to discern what makes something attractive and pleasing to the eye. To paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart, (on a totally different topic), "I can't say what it is, but I know it when I see it."

"That (the) world is moving so quickly that iOS is already amongst the older mobile operating systems in active development today." — The Verge
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"That (the) world is moving so quickly that iOS is already amongst the older mobile operating systems in active development today." — The Verge
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post #79 of 104
One thing is for certain, none of those few people with a discerning eye work for huddler, lol.
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The real story here is what a blatantly racist person Jonathan Ives truly is.
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