So before I report you for being a troll account, could you clarify a few things?
First, "crappy iOS product". You're going to have to write a three page essay, single spaced, for anyone to believe you're not a troll after saying that and leaving it as such.
He didn't say anything worse about iOS than the things certain people on this forum say about Android day in, day out.
I don't see you threatening to report any of those.
Moderators are supposed to be impartial. If you're going to crack down on trolling, then crack down on it equally.
Motorola is not owned by Google - Motorola Mobility (a division of Motorola) is owned by Google.
Which sells Android devices...
Which is the point of the whole story.
Face it, Google ripped off everyone in creating Android. There is not an original thought in the whole mess, unless you think "hey this is a new way we can push ads at people" is innovative.
I don't see you threatening to report any of those.
Moderators are supposed to be impartial.
1. It's an Apple forum.
2. I get to keep my opinions, as well as question those of others, just like all other users.
Good to see the anti-Apple crowd will always come to each other's rescue, though.
ICS is a much, much improve version of Android than we've seen in the past. For the ones that have never used Android ICS, shouldn't comment because you're way behind. I honestly feel (along with many, many other users here and everywhere else) that ICS is lightyears ahead of iOS 5.1 and so forth. We're just going to sit back and wait and see what Apple has up their sleeve in iOS 6 I guess..
Something iPhone users will never get to enjoy, a custom built ROM ;-)
You need a girlfriend. With a custom ROM. And a life.
Android doesn't look anywhere near iOS or the feel of a crappy iOS product. This is because Android is OPEN for changes all the time from it's users to make the OS better from one release after another. Don't say Apple doesn't copy from other OS' innovations..
Um, I think you just dug you own grave, wait till Tallest Skill get's a hold of you. You can say Android OS is a better system but you can't say iOS is a crappy product without at least saying why.
Um, I think you just dug you own grave, wait till Tallest Skill get's a hold of you. You can say Android OS is a better system but you can't say iOS is a crappy product without at least saying why.
I called it in the other thread. Nothing will come of this, Oracles ambitions were to big. The point is Google releases the code freely, Oracle is more then welcomed to use what ever changes Google has done as long as they also release the code. The beauty of open source. I'm so happy that more and more jurors are saying no to these silly lawsuits.
It's not all about tweaking the system for speed, in fact that is the smallest priority in the list. It's about adding features that aren't normally available from the corp and are from the open source community. Things that the big boys overlook or take to long to implement. For instance there a projects now that add support for windows in Android 4.04, this gives you true multitasking capabilities now that you can have more then one app opened at once on the same screen. Minimize, maximize, resizing all of those normal desktop functions. There are projects to install a LAMP server or a Tomcat server on a tablet. There are projects that help you install Gnome or KDE over the normal Windows Manager, what ever you wish there is probably already an open source project that's doing it. Where as iOS you are at the mercy of Apple, nothing wrong with that of course but some of us are beyond the normal consumer user and want beyond the normal consumer user features. Yes we are the minority but we are also the ones the build kernels, device drivers, design the OS's.
Aren't any of you scared for your children using such a cookie cutter system. I grew up in a world that if you wanted something done you had to do your self. I taught myself basic I had to as I only had the hardware and no software. I leaned assembly, Cobal then C++, Java, PHP, Python ect. I did that because when I was young I didn't have a machine that did everything for me. Sure a child might be interested in learning how to write a app or two for their iPhone but they'll most likely use drag and drop frameworks that some site provides. What's going to happen 20 years from now after all of our children have grown up using nothing but iPhones and iPads.
"Blank! BLANK! You're not looking at the big picture!"
"Blank! BLANK! You're not looking at the big picture!"
I get to keep my opinions, as well as question those of others, just like all other users.
I appreciate that. But threatening to report people who criticise iOS without providing evidence, whilst allowing others free reign to do exactly the same thing about Android, is a pretty undesirable double standard and not one which a moderator should condone.
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Good to see the anti-Apple crowd will always come to each other's rescue, though.
I am not anti-Apple. Disagreeing with some things which Apple does, and thinking that Apple's competitors make good products too, doesn't make me anti-Apple.
Saying that Android is a piece of crap and not a proper OS is just as lazy and dogmatic as saying the same things about iOS. It isn't true in either case. It'd be great to encourage a higher standard of debate than 'iOS is wonderful; Android is useless crap'. Unanimous praise of Apple products and trashing of competitors ad infinitum isn't really a thought-provoking discussion, is it?
I'm an iPhone and Android tablet user. I had iPad for couple of months, before getting Asus Transformer.
I found it refreshing not having to convert videos sitting on my home server to MP4 in order to watch it on tablet. This was (still is) non-issue for my phone, but I actually do enjoy dumping some old TV shows on my tablet whenever I travel, occasionally in my home as well.
I like having full control over Flash. With a few taps I can completely disable it (iPad style), enable it on demand (tap to play individual Flash) or have it enabled all the time. I like having access to basically any video on the web, without having to think is it HTML5 or Flash. Again, it isn't issue for my phone - screen is too small to really enjoy videos - but I'm finding it really nice to have on a tablet.
I am not missing any app I have on iPhone (so far) - I managed to find same or comparable apps on Android Market. I do have simple app I am finding useful on occasion on Android, unfortunately one Apple has removed from AppStore - WiFi Analyzer.
I also like presence of SD cards, and not having to use iTunes or any other software to copy files to/from tablet. WiFi access to shared folders on my home server is also nice, so I can copy ebook/comic/TV show/... over wifi, at my leisure, without moving my lazy ... from my fave recliner.
Just to name a few.
I enjoyed iPad, but I'm finding my Android experience more complete. My Transformer came with Android 3.x which was a bit sluggish and jerky, however ICS is nice and smooth. I haven't done any direct comparison, but I'd say it still isn't as smooth as iOS - however it is smooth enough not to be distracting in any way. Asus has released 3 or 4 ICS updates since initial release (was it in early March..?), with last one, recently released, finally fixing bugs I had a problem with on initial ICS.
Now, this is my mileage. Your mileage might - likely will differ. That's why I'm finding your question a bit unfair. You might find anything and everything above non-essential for you. But you might also find something else that I don't care for... so you should basically ask yourself that question, and if there is anything you have been missing and would like to have on tablet that is available on Android, that would be the answer to your question.
If your tablet is completely satisfying your needs, and you are not curious (or just don't want to waste time) finding out what else is out there, why, then you really shouldn't bother checking Android. Nor should you be asking such question.
android isn't open and only a minority will try to change what they got on their smartphone, because:
-you shouldn't have to do it;
-it is not worthy.
-it is, basically, a way to kill time for a few random people.. usually "basement" people.
android has it's strengths and for sure it has is own place. I prefer the current iOS and respective devices, but i cannot justify any high end mobile device right now. So android it is for me.
I condemn google's (and the other OEMs positions) positions, but once you (me) learn to look at the forest, we see how good android is to 95% of those working in the tech industry.
they (OEMs) were totally defeated by apple and had to abandon profits and change the way they do business, but thanks to android they can survive. thanks to android, new companies will have the chance to innovate and emerge. thanks to android, apple will be better and do better things.
If android would be terminated, how many would suffer? how much direct/indirect innovation would cease to appear? have you guys read about sony and HP(as well as moto)?
I admire microsoft. I hope one day i can say that i admire google.
Huh?
It's not all about tweaking the system for speed, in fact that is the smallest priority in the list. It's about adding features that aren't normally available from the corp and are from the open source community. Things that the big boys overlook or take to long to implement. For instance there a projects now that add support for windows in Android 4.04, this gives you true multitasking capabilities now that you can have more then one app opened at once on the same screen. Minimize, maximize, resizing all of those normal desktop functions. There are projects to install a LAMP server or a Tomcat server on a tablet. There are projects that help you install Gnome or KDE over the normal Windows Manager, what ever you wish there is probably already an open source project that's doing it. Where as iOS you are at the mercy of Apple, nothing wrong with that of course but some of us are beyond the normal consumer user and want beyond the normal consumer user features. Yes we are the minority but we are also the ones the build kernels, device drivers, design the OS's.
Aren't any of you scared for your children using such a cookie cutter system. I grew up in a world that if you wanted something done you had to do your self. I taught myself basic I had to as I only had the hardware and no software. I leaned assembly, Cobal then C++, Java, PHP, Python ect. I did that because when I was young I didn't have a machine that did everything for me. Sure a child might be interested in learning how to write a app or two for their iPhone but they'll most likely use drag and drop frameworks that some site provides. What's going to happen 20 years from now after all of our children have grown up using nothing but iPhones and iPads.
Somewhere in Europe in the 15th century:-
"Aren't any of you scared for your children using such a cookie cutter system. I grew up in a world that if you wanted something done you had to do your self. I taught myself writing because I only had paper and a quill, I leaned Latin, penmanship, quill making etc. I did that because when I was young I didn't have a machine that did everything for me. Sure a child might be interested in learning how to write a book or two to read later but they'll most likely use a printing press that some shop provides. What's going to happen 20 years from now after all of our children have grown with nothing but the damnation that are Gutenberg's printed books."
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
It's not all about tweaking the system for speed, in fact that is the smallest priority in the list. It's about adding features that aren't normally available from the corp and are from the open source community. Things that the big boys overlook or take to long to implement. For instance there a projects now that add support for windows in Android 4.04, this gives you true multitasking capabilities now that you can have more then one app opened at once on the same screen. Minimize, maximize, resizing all of those normal desktop functions. There are projects to install a LAMP server or a Tomcat server on a tablet. There are projects that help you install Gnome or KDE over the normal Windows Manager, what ever you wish there is probably already an open source project that's doing it. Where as iOS you are at the mercy of Apple, nothing wrong with that of course but some of us are beyond the normal consumer user and want beyond the normal consumer user features. Yes we are the minority but we are also the ones the build kernels, device drivers, design the OS's.
Aren't any of you scared for your children using such a cookie cutter system. I grew up in a world that if you wanted something done you had to do your self. I taught myself basic I had to as I only had the hardware and no software. I leaned assembly, Cobal then C++, Java, PHP, Python ect. I did that because when I was young I didn't have a machine that did everything for me. Sure a child might be interested in learning how to write a app or two for their iPhone but they'll most likely use drag and drop frameworks that some site provides. What's going to happen 20 years from now after all of our children have grown up using nothing but iPhones and iPads.
You're right because Apple products are created by a series of multiple choice bubbles and a chimpanzee-manned dart board. Perhaps a dash of Satan's sperm for good measure. They employ no engineers or computer scientists, in fact. After another 3-5 years, humans will forget how to design and program software, high and low level. Android is our only bastion of hope for a future free from stupidity and laziness. Further, Apple products are impossible to tweak, unlock or otherwise customize in any way, shape or form. Attempting to do so will result in the enlargement of your body, namely one's own head, until the point of explosion.
I'm an iPhone and Android tablet user. I had iPad for couple of months, before getting Asus Transformer.
I found it refreshing not having to convert videos sitting on my home server to MP4 in order to watch it on tablet. This was (still is) non-issue for my phone, but I actually do enjoy dumping some old TV shows on my tablet whenever I travel, occasionally in my home as well.
I like having full control over Flash. With a few taps I can completely disable it (iPad style), enable it on demand (tap to play individual Flash) or have it enabled all the time. I like having access to basically any video on the web, without having to think is it HTML5 or Flash. Again, it isn't issue for my phone - screen is too small to really enjoy videos - but I'm finding it really nice to have on a tablet.
I am not missing any app I have on iPhone (so far) - I managed to find same or comparable apps on Android Market. I do have simple app I am finding useful on occasion on Android, unfortunately one Apple has removed from AppStore - WiFi Analyzer.
I also like presence of SD cards, and not having to use iTunes or any other software to copy files to/from tablet. WiFi access to shared folders on my home server is also nice, so I can copy ebook/comic/TV show/... over wifi, at my leisure, without moving my lazy ... from my fave recliner.
Just to name a few.
I enjoyed iPad, but I'm finding my Android experience more complete. My Transformer came with Android 3.x which was a bit sluggish and jerky, however ICS is nice and smooth. I haven't done any direct comparison, but I'd say it still isn't as smooth as iOS - however it is smooth enough not to be distracting in any way. Asus has released 3 or 4 ICS updates since initial release (was it in early March..?), with last one, recently released, finally fixing bugs I had a problem with on initial ICS.
Now, this is my mileage. Your mileage might - likely will differ. That's why I'm finding your question a bit unfair. You might find anything and everything above non-essential for you. But you might also find something else that I don't care for... so you should basically ask yourself that question, and if there is anything you have been missing and would like to have on tablet that is available on Android, that would be the answer to your question.
If your tablet is completely satisfying your needs, and you are not curious (or just don't want to waste time) finding out what else is out there, why, then you really shouldn't bother checking Android. Nor should you be asking such question.
Some people still make mix tapes. Go figure.
You do not need to root your phone with ICS as it is still amazing. There are plenty customisation or personalisation options available on Google Play. This is my Galaxy Nexus home screen which I took just before. Mine is not rooted. Back ground is a live wallpaper called Planet Pack from Maxelus and application titles are deleted using Desktop Visualizer.
I wouldn't myself, but I can see why people would. Because some people prefer things which are customised to their smallest desire over things which are uniform and designed to appeal to a wide user base, and they're willling to put in the effort to do it. For the same reason that some people build cars from the ground up, or houses, or stereo systems, or Linux distributions. Because they want complete control and they want to know every element of the system intimately, and they prefer that over using something which aspires to more objective, dispassionate 'goodness'.
Horses for courses.
1. It's an Apple forum.
2. I get to keep my opinions, as well as question those of others, just like all other users.
Good to see the anti-Apple crowd will always come to each other's rescue, though.
Of course it is Apple fan forum... but not fundamental extremists' forum. Different opinions should be welcome. There is no healthy discussion if there are no different opinions, and this is - after all - discussion forum.
Of course you get to keep your opinion, but you are also global moderator, and with great powers come great responsibility. Definition of word "moderate", according to my trusty iPhone Dictionary, is: "Keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense. Calm or mild". That being said, I did notice that insulting other brands, and - even much worst - personally insulting people with different opinions does go through much easier than insulting beloved anything-Apple.
People do get carried away, it is in human nature. But that is exactly where moderators should jump in! Regardless of their personal opinion. Posters with opinions like "whoever thinks XYZ product is any good, is moron" should be moderated before people with opinion that "product XYZ is crappy".
Different opinions should be welcome. There is no healthy discussion if there are no different opinions, and this is - after all - discussion forum.
That's the crux of the matter, I think. Moderators shouldn't treat certain undesirable conduct less harshly on the basis that they agree with the opinion expressed, and vice versa.
In a discussion there is a need for balance and fairness - otherwise the only ones who stick around are those who are preaching to the converted, and you don't have a discussion at all.
You do not need to root your phone with ICS as it is still amazing. There are plenty customisation or personalisation options available on Google Play. This is my Galaxy Nexus home screen which I took just before. Mine is not rooted. Back ground is a live wallpaper called Planet Pack from Maxelus and application titles are deleted using Desktop Visualizer.
Oh dear God it's like the darkest days of the Mac PC wars, where PC users would proudly show off their hideous home screens and taunt Mac users because they didn't have "Shitty-izer Turbo Bam Bam" available on their platform.
To each their own, I guess, but Android fans really do seem to be drawn from the same demographic as the kind of people who put neon on their "gaming rigs" and bolt cheap plastic body mods to their Toyotas after watching "Fast and Furious XXX: the Stupid Burns."
Sir Jony would puke if he saw that FUGLY mess!
Yes, but thats just me. LOL... I want easy access with my applications on my phone. So, I put everything into this main home screen. My widgets (schedue, note, email, PA, galary, music player widgets, equaliser and etc) and some applications are placed in other screens.
We've always been at war with Eastasia...
We've always been at war with Eastasia...
And I respect that. That's a perfectly fine thing to do. I myself have every application on my computer on a SINGLE page in Launchpad, as that's very efficient. But don't you have something of an… ordeal… finding something you want when you want it? Because of the design of your icons, I mean. I suppose it depends on the DPI and size of the phone…
This is one of the more funny threads that I've read in recent memory.
And I respect that. That's a perfectly fine thing to do. I myself have every application on my computer on a SINGLE page in Launchpad, as that's very efficient. But don't you have something of an… ordeal… finding something you want when you want it? Because of the design of your icons, I mean. I suppose it depends on the DPI and size of the phone…
Hahaha, I am honoured. It does not look like it but I put consideration arranging icons into folders. I do not have any trouble finding what I want. I dont think it depends on the DPI and phone size. FYI, my Galaxy Nexus dpi is 316, not better than iPhone but it is ok. And the screen size is 4.65 inch. I dont have to zoom in for full websites on horizontal view.
A double standard may be unavoidable on such a site; but you, as a moderator, should strive to eliminate it. From your post, you sound as if you've pretty much given up combating it, or going to turn a blind eye towards it.
I agree that an unprovoked, off-topic 'crap all over the point of interest of said web site' should be dealt with by moderators. However, most of the so-called trolls on this site post in response to someone crapping all over Android or whatever competing product. Take this thread for example. The two posts in question are:
I agree.
No surprise that the fandroids came out to infest this thread. Small victory for Google, but they are so not out of the woods yet.
Android is a sham of a system. Get real competition into the marketplace. Not some botched copy of iOS. WebOS, Win8, etc... at least they had the guts to make a go of it.
Android doesn't look anywhere near iOS or the feel of a crappy iOS product. This is because Android is OPEN for changes all the time from it's users to make the OS better from one release after another. Don't say Apple doesn't copy from other OS' innovations..
sflocal essentially gets a free pass for calling Android 'a sham of a system,' and a 'botched copy of iOS.' Yet when AndroidUser, in response to sflocal's post, calls iOS crappy, he is almost immediately labelled a troll, and threatened with action by a moderator. Are we not allowed to hold the opinion that iOS is crappy?
No. You are not allowed to have that opinion.
At least on AI...
... but you'd do well to not have that opinion. Period.
Well, yes. Just not… here. 
You will ALWAYS be called into question, EVERYWHERE you go, if you have a hatred of the content of the place you are, and you're vocal about it.
Political forums, car forums, technology forums, forums about music, forums about…
Why all these newcomers (who actually often turn out to be trolls) are so mystified by the fact that they're being called out for hating Apple on an Apple forum… mystifies ME.
Well, at least you explained 2 things:
1. iPhone users are cool
2. The majority of people want an iPhone
Thank you.
you forgot
3. iPhone users want to use their phone not spend all their time doing 'cool' tweaks on it to show folks how cool they are.
I appreciate that. But threatening to report people who criticise iOS without providing evidence, whilst allowing others free reign to do exactly the same thing about Android, is a pretty undesirable double standard and not one which a moderator should condone.
And what about subjecting the rest of us to what is basically a private discussion. Something you are both guilty of and both of you should be intelligent and mature enough to not do. It's rude to the rest of us, it's thread jacking and if you think it proves you have a big one, it does. A big ego.
So how about you pretend like you are adults and can it.
