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The necessity to have to had a dramatic redesign of phone models and variations every year is the backbone MO of Nokia, Motorola, Sony et al. It does not or paid too much by Apple. Form and function is the foremost in Apple's mind not how it looks. If it works well, it does not have to be evolutionarily redesign to succeed. Much to the dismay of folks like DaHarder et al. with their strong Android, Nokia beliefs. Sorry for you.. just walk away.


Jonathan Ive disagrees. 

 

I agree that function is the top priority, but Ive's position and power in the company shows that appearance is very important to Apple too.

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On the first one the colors are black and the font looks different, almost looks like the lettering on iPhone is raised, not flush with the surface. Clearly these are not the same devices. So perhaps these are prototypes and the final design may look completely different.

On prototypes it is not so easy to apply the actual lettering and logos especially if they are to be foil. Silkscreened lettering will often appear raised. I doubt the final will have mixed types of applications and or colors so these are quite likely prototypes. 

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Notes from an OCD designer: 1. The iSight camera flash and mic should have been in that order: O o . Not O . o 2. The radius of the iSight camera should have formed the rounded corner of the phone, as per iPhone 4/4S. 3. Too many materials/colors visible on the back: frame, metal back and plastic. At least the metal aligns with the antenna bands, as does the screen. 4. The earphone jack should have stayed on top, on the left, same distance as lock button on the right, which should have been round as per volume buttons, to balance it all. 5. The mute button should have been round, as per volume buttons, sliding up-down to align it with volume buttons, not front-back.
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Different viewing angle, I suppose...
The colors are clearly different. First one is black, second is sort of a metallic gray.
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... It's not what I had in my head, but oh well, I'l buy one anyway.

I bet almost everyone is thinking that...

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That is looking much more authentic. The level of detail, the change of the device while keeping the familiar shape of the iPhone 4/4S. It also looks like that a broken display or Home Button will be much easier to fix as you'll access the components from the front.

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I do wonder how the antenna would be implemented with such a large aluminium chassis.

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On prototypes it is not so easy to apply the actual lettering and logos especially if they are to be foil. Silkscreened lettering will often appear raised. I doubt the final will have mixed types of applications and or colors so these are quite likely prototypes. 
On the black one you can hardly see the lettering or the logo. Maybe it's just a bad picture but it seems odd.
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A unibody iPhone makes huge sense from a manufacturability point of view.  Would also be very tough.  And that prototype sure does look ugly... but I'm sure they're iterating fast on the design, and that it will be a bit more refined before shipping.

 

My guess is "not fake but not done yet"... these are probably destined for Ive's hands-on lab.

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God, you people are so predictable. 

 

'LOL SO UGLY NO WAY THIS IS LEGIT APPLE WOULD NEVER RELEASE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF THEY DO THEY ARE FINISHED ETC ETC'

 

Pretty much identical to the iPhone 4 leak, which most people agreed was completely 'un-apple' and the 'ugliest design' they've ever seen, will 'never sell', specifically pointing to the gaps in the antenna, etc. How did that work out? It's widely considered to be classiest, and most well-designed phone ever made, and Apple saw fit to continue it for 2 generations and that design ended up selling hundreds of millions of units. So try to have some damn humility instead of pretending you have some insight into what looks good or not, and bashing something to hell and back instinctively. 

 

On another note, I find it despicable that Apple 'fansites' are releasing pics like this. Why? They know this damages Apple if this is actually the design to be released in 5-6 months, yet the only thing they consider is click-bait. 

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I do wonder how the antenna would be implemented with such a large aluminium chassis.

Isn't the antenna on the outside still? If so it should not matter what the case is made of.

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I like the ear phone jack on the bottom because I normally keep my phone in my pocket face inward, upside down, that is when not using the ear phones. I like having the home button on top to grasp when taking it out of my pocket since I am often just checking the time and it just makes it easier that way. Now I can keep that preference even when listening to music since the jack will be facing upward as well.

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Jonathan Ive disagrees. 

 

I agree that function is the top priority, but Ive's position and power in the company shows that appearance is very important to Apple too.

 

In actual fact, any designer knows that the whole "form vs. function" thing is a crock.  

Form and function go hand in hand.  

 

The perfect bowl for instance is defined by the function, but it is also beautiful and the perfect form because of that fact.  You can't separate form from function and as a designer you should never strive to do so.  

 

Designers (at least good ones) don't make things that function well and then "dress them up."

There is no battle between form and function, they are accomplished together.  

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Is that two-tone part a plastic cover or an actual part of the back? It looks like the top and bottom strips are glass and the middle aluminium. Not a fan, I'd prefer a clean slab. But this is just a prototype at most so meh. 

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I do wonder how the antenna would be implemented with such a large aluminium chassis.

Why? they're still on the outside by the looks of it. What difference does an aluminium back make if the antennae are outside it to the sides? 

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Isn't the antenna on the outside still? If so it should not matter what the case is made of.
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Why? they're still on the outside by the looks of it. What difference does an aluminium back make if the antennae are outside it to the sides? 

There is no way for you two to know if it's on the outside again. There are multiple antennas on the iPhone. Only the iPhone 4 had the WiFi and Bluetooth antenna on the outside, the iPhone 4S brought the antenna back inside where it actually worked better over its predecessor according to Anand Tech..

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No way do I believe this is what the finished product will look like. This is probably a prototype destined for Ive's lab.
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Mini Dock Connect == Thunderbolt Port?

Is there any chance that the mini dock connector could actually be a thunderbolt port? My guess is not because the electronics to support a thunderbolt port would be more than a small mobile device could support but I can still imagine the possibilities. One thing I would love to do with an iOS is use the port for a wired ethernet connection for maximum bandwidth and/or security. Thunderbolt would allow this along with direct connection to an external monitor or high speed storage. It would make it possible to plug any iOS device into a super dock which would really blur the line between mobile devices and portable computers.

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Here's one photo:
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And another:
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On the first one the colors are black and the font looks different, almost looks like the lettering on iPhone is raised, not flush with the surface. Clearly these are not the same devices. So perhaps these are prototypes and the final design may look completely different.

If so, it could be that they're finally going to use Liquidmetal. It would be much easier to make raised letter with Liquidmetal than with machined aluminum.
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That is looking much more authentic. The level of detail, the change of the device while keeping the familiar shape of the iPhone 4/4S. It also looks like that a broken display or Home Button will be much easier to fix as you'll access the components from the front.
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I do wonder how the antenna would be implemented with such a large aluminium chassis.

 

 

That right picture makes these leaks look quite authentic.  I prefer the speaker redesign in these leaks.  The current speaker grille collects dirt too easily.  Actually, I might like the headphone jack placement too... the cable might not dangle across the screen as much.

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Why? they're still on the outside by the looks of it. What difference does an aluminium back make if the antennae are outside it to the sides? 

 

It looks to me like the centre part is a "unibody" aluminium part and that the sides are actually connected (part of the same piece).  

 

The top and the bottom edge pieces are the main antennas in the current model and appear to be so in this model.  This would also explain the glass bits in that they want the aluminium to stay as far away from the antennas as possible.  

 

So it kind of makes sense from a design point of view, which is sad, because it's butt ugly and they are insanely stupid to change the aspect ratio like that.  

 

Very, very disappointing to me.  

I can't see at the moment why on earth I would buy one of these things.  

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My first judgement looking at the pictures of the tall screen (if it is indeed how the final product will look) is that I don't like it. It seems cheaper if that makes sense. I'll withhold final judgements until we actually get the reveal from Apple.

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The next-gen iPhone could featured a ALON® Optical Ceramic back!
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Very, very disappointing to me.  
I can't see at the moment why on earth I would buy one of these things.  
how do you know this is what we'll see on store shelves?
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There is no way for you two to know if it's on the outside again. There are multiple antennas on the iPhone. Only the iPhone 4 had the WiFi and Bluetooth antenna on the outside, the iPhone 4S brought the antenna back inside where it actually worked better over its predecessor according to Anand Tech..

Good to know. So if the screen is glass, why does the back have to be radio transparent? Can't the signal go through the front?

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That black one does look nice, but that two-tone metal & plastic design reminds me of every ugly sweater I owned in the 1990s.

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If so, it could be that they're finally going to use Liquidmetal. It would be much easier to make raised letter with Liquidmetal than with machined aluminum.

From the view of the internal side of the case the tool makings suggest that the case is machined, not LiquidMetal.

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Is there any chance that the mini dock connector could actually be a thunderbolt port? My guess is not because the electronics to support a thunderbolt port would be more than a small mobile device could support but I can still imagine the possibilities. One thing I would love to do with an iOS is use the port for a wired ethernet connection for maximum bandwidth and/or security. Thunderbolt would allow this along with direct connection to an external monitor or high speed storage. It would make it possible to plug any iOS device into a super dock which would really blur the line between mobile devices and portable computers.

 

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I really hope the new dock connector size rumor is wrong. I just bought a bunch of iPod/iPhone cables and also am buying a new car this fall. This last-second notice is not enough time for the manufacturer to change their built-in iPod connectors to the new size. Switching would be (I fear) an expensive retrofit.

 

It will be a USB micro-AB port to comply with:

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-hardware/2009/10/26/universal-phone-charger-given-green-light-39838579/

 

It may also do other dedicated things in a proprietary Apple way when it dectects certain accessories (e.g. video out, etc), but it will certainly be micro-USB form factor.

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Good to know. So if the screen is glass, why does the back have to be radio transparent? Can't the signal go through the front?

Can it? Usually they are placed as close to the outside as possible and the touchscreen matrix and display do have power running through them that I'd think would affect RF. That said, there is no reason why they can't have found new solutions that do work better and Apple has a long history of making it work better, but that doesn't mean I won't question how they might have accomplished it.

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393In addition, the 4S locates the WiFi antenna in the same place as the CDMA iPhone 4. If you missed it back then, and have read the previous cellular connectivity section, you’re probably wondering where the WiFi and Bluetooth antennas went, given the absence of a stainless steel band for them. The answer is inside, printed on a flex board, like virtually everyone else does for their cellular antennas. It’s noted on the FCC-submitted schematic, but I also opened up the 4S I purchased and grabbed a picture.

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It will be a USB micro-AB port to comply with:

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-hardware/2009/10/26/universal-phone-charger-given-green-light-39838579/

 

It may also do other dedicated things in a proprietary Apple way when it dectects certain accessories (e.g. video out, etc), but it will certainly be micro-USB form factor.

Does the new ITU standard have anything to do with the phone end of the cord or just the charger and the charger end of the cord?

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Can it? Usually they are placed as close to the outside as possible and the touchscreen matrix and display do have power running through them that I'd think would affect RF. That said, there is no reason why they can't have found new solutions that do work better and Apple has a long history of making it work better, but that doesn't mean I won't question how they might have accomplished it.
 

There is 10 mm or so at the top and bottom of the phone where there is no touch screen.

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Who Knows... but if the overall design does end up looking this (mildly) evolutionary, as in just an elongated version of the current theme, it'll just serve as further evidence that Apple's design team appears to have few truly new ideas on the horizon.

It should be a big star shaped device with topaz and crazy cool little sparkly knobs and a big ol button. That'd be sick, dawg.

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If this two colour thing is indeed more than just a design thing - the middle part does look a little like a touch pad. So they might add touch functionality to the back - no idea what this could add, but if, Apple will sure convince us in a blink we need it - and I'll for sure will buy it.

 

Edit> Maybe tap to fast forward/next entry/etc. double tap, etc.

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Is there any chance that the mini dock connector could actually be a thunderbolt port? My guess is not because the electronics to support a thunderbolt port would be more than a small mobile device could support but I can still imagine the possibilities. One thing I would love to do with an iOS is use the port for a wired ethernet connection for maximum bandwidth and/or security. Thunderbolt would allow this along with direct connection to an external monitor or high speed storage. It would make it possible to plug any iOS device into a super dock which would really blur the line between mobile devices and portable computers.
Anand doesn't think so. I agree on the point of cost, limitations of the NAND speed and size but it's surely possible even though I don't think it's probable.


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It will be a USB micro-AB port to comply with:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-hardware/2009/10/26/universal-phone-charger-given-green-light-39838579/

It may also do other dedicated things in a proprietary Apple way when it dectects certain accessories (e.g. video out, etc), but it will certainly be micro-USB form factor.
The goal is to reduce chargers. Perhaps one day they force us to reduce cables but you'd have to create a cable standard that would allow for all the various options that the USB standard doesn't allow but I don't see that happening.

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Does the new ITU standard have anything to do with the phone end of the cord or just the charger and the charger end of the cord?

 

 

Device end is mandated to be microUSB.

 

A split/connection between the charger itself and the wire to the device is largely irrelevant.

 

Now, there is some argument about whether you could comply by having an adaptor that was local to the phone end. E.g. a cable terminates in microUSB and a small adaptor to a dock connecter (or anything else) next to the device, but this would certianly not be in the spirt of the regs, and many are arguing it would simply not be compatible with the regs at all (well, unless the adaptor could be left permanently and securely attached to the phone, and also offered a flush micro-USB connecter, not a tail end.

 

[You could NOT have just a 1inch/3cm cable and claim you were compliant. Well you could try, but quite apart from whether you would be compliant or not, you would be laughed out of town. It would compromise the idea that you don't need to carry the charger or have lots of them.]

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Device end is mandated to be microUSB.

 

And Apple has received an exception to that.

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Notes from an OCD designer: 1. The iSight camera flash and mic should have been in that order: O o . Not O . o 2.

If you want to avoid red-eyed pictures of people with flash you would need to separate the physical location of the flash and the lens as far away as possible. THAT is what a good designer would do, after understanding the reason for that fact. (wiki)
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I like the ear phone jack on the bottom because I normally keep my phone in my pocket face inward, upside down, that is when not using the ear phones. I like having the home button on top to grasp when taking it out of my pocket since I am often just checking the time and it just makes it easier that way. Now I can keep that preference even when listening to music since the jack will be facing upward as well.

Not only do I agree, I also don't understand why people would moan about a change like this. Haven't read anything on this when it was changed on iPod's (sans Classic + Shuffle).
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Is there any chance that the mini dock connector could actually be a thunderbolt port? My guess is not because the electronics to support a thunderbolt port would be more than a small mobile device could support but I can still imagine the possibilities. One thing I would love to do with an iOS is use the port for a wired ethernet connection for maximum bandwidth and/or security. Thunderbolt would allow this along with direct connection to an external monitor or high speed storage. It would make it possible to plug any iOS device into a super dock which would really blur the line between mobile devices and portable computers.

I would love for Apple to come up with a regular headphone jack shaped for their data connectors as one can plug those in without looking. I truly do not understand what is so hard to undertake this goal. The ease of use from a plug that 'fits in anytime' is so logical to me that I don't understand why Apple hasn't created one. It must be doable.
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The goal is to reduce chargers. Perhaps one day they force us to reduce cables but you'd have to create a cable standard that would allow for all the various options that the USB standard doesn't allow but I don't see that happening.

 

Europe mandates microUSB for device end:

http://phandroid.com/2009/06/30/microusb-becomes-european-standard-in-2010/

(first link I found, might replace with something better later, but it has a pretty picture).

 

*IF* the dock connector is ditched (and it is very bulky by todays standards), it will be for microUSB.

[Unless, apple does something really radical and remove connectors entirely and give you an inductive charging surface or somthing like that - a phone with no ports, bluetooth only headphones, etc.]

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And Apple has received an exception to that.

 

But since then the ITU spec has moved on to include tablets, etc.

Whether they have exemption is irrelevant, they are not going to move to anything other than microUSB if they move.

 

As I said in previous post, it will be dock again, microUSB or nothing!

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Device end is mandated to be microUSB.

 

A split/connection between the charger itself and the wire to the device is largely irrelevant.

 

Now, there is some argument about whether you could comply by having an adaptor that was local to the phone end. E.g. a cable terminates in microUSB and a small adaptor to a dock connecter (or anything else) next to the device, but this would certianly not be in the spirt of the regs, and many are arguing it would simply not be compatible with the regs at all (well, unless the adaptor could be left permanently and securely attached to the phone, and also offered a flush micro-USB connecter, not a tail end.

 

[You could NOT have just a 1inch/3cm cable and claim you were compliant. Well you could try, but quite apart from whether you would be compliant or not, you would be laughed out of town. It would compromise the idea that you don't need to carry the charger or have lots of them.]

So I gather from this description that untethered wireless charging would also be non-compliant.

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But since then the ITU spec has moved on to include tablets, etc.

Whether they have exemption is irrelevant, they are not going to move to anything other than microUSB if they move.

 

As I said in previous post, it will be dock again, microUSB or nothing!

 

And Apple will receive an exception to that. Apple can do whatever they want, because no one should be forced to conform to something as idiotic as microUSB.

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