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Spotify Director and former Facebook president Sean Parker said there was "some indication" of Apple attempting to block the music streaming service out of the U.S. fearing competition for iTunes.

Speaking at the D10 conference on Wednesday, Parker claims that there was a sense that Apple felt threatened by Spotify and may have taken steps to stop its launch in the U.S. where iTunes is the dominating music distribution entity.

?There was some indication that that might have been happening,? Parker said. ?You hear things, people send you emails.?

Although onstage at the time, Spotify founder and CEO Daniel Ek didn't comment on why it took the service two and a half years after it launched in Europe to reach America. The app-based music streamer, created in 2006 in Sweden, was already gaining critical acclaim in a number of countries by 2010, but only hit U.S. shores in July 2011.

Parker admits that the music industry is not an overly important sector for Apple and it is unlikely that the company is too concerned with rivals like Spotify, saying "?[Music] is still such a small part of their overall business, it wouldn?t be hugely significant to their bottom line.?

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Spotify Director Sean Parker at D10. | Source: All Things D


Before Parker's comments, Ek said that there are about 10 million Spotify users in the U.S., 3 million of which are paying customers. The service's catalog now boasts 18 million songs and the list is growing by 10,000 or 20,000 tracks per day.
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If this is true it is quite sad...

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Given the strength of Apple's presence in so many areas of modern technology, their constant/relentless attempts to block the efforts of anything that even appears to be competition does little more than indicate that they're not quite as confident in their wares as some might believe.

Healthy competition's is always a good thing, and when companies go out of their way to thwart it that the entire industry becomes stifiled and far less innovative than it ever should be.
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Spotify is going to fail.  Label after label are pulling their music from the service.

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If this is true it is quite sad...

 

No proof, no evidence, just suspicions and rumors. No need to be sad unless, of course, you are predisposed to think the worst of Apple. Are you?

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Great way to drum up some last minute publicity for your "iTunes-killer" (take a number, Lol) music service, Sean. 

 

Go to D10, and since you've got nothing else going for your service that never really took off in the way you dreamed, make up some stuff about "big bad Apple", and then dodge any requests for proof by alluding to your own "insider" knowledge:  "You hear things, people send you emails."

 

And *then*, backpedal just enough, and then make just enough conciliatory remarks that you *might* come off as "balanced":

 

"Parker admits that the music industry is not an overly important sector for Apple and it is unlikely that the company is too concerned with rivals like Spotify, saying "?[Music] is still such a small part of their overall business, it wouldn?t be hugely significant to their bottom line."

 

So Apple went out of their way to block a service that would have competed against Apple in a segment Apple no longer really cared about. 

 

Uh-huh.

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Given the strength of Apple's presence in so many areas of modern technology, their constant/relentless attempts to block the efforts of anything that even appears to be competition does little more than indicate that they're not quite as confident in their wares as some might believe.
Healthy competition's is always a good thing, and when companies go out of their way to thwart it that the entire industry becomes stifiled and far less innovative than it ever should be.

 

If you're talking about them protecting their IP in that first post, you need to step your game up.

 

This case is different from all that - if true it would be concerning. Apple doesn't even provide a competing subscription service!

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No proof, no evidence, just suspicions and rumors. No need to be sad unless, of course, you are predisposed to think the worst of Apple. Are you?

What part of "If this is true" did you not understand?

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Given the strength of Apple's presence in so many areas of modern technology, their constant/relentless attempts to block the efforts of anything that even appears to be competition does little more than indicate that they're not quite as confident in their wares as some might believe.
Healthy competition's is always a good thing, and when companies go out of their way to thwart it that the entire industry becomes stifiled and far less innovative than it ever should be.

 

Constant relentless attempts?

 

This is merely a feeling they had... And of course they would, Apple is the elephant in the room, the 800 pound gorilla look down over your shoulder.

 

It's been over 10 years and no one has come close. Spotify is NOT going to hurt Apple and they know that. Spotify is just another attempt at renting music. It will eventually fail.

 

 

It's people like you that make Fox News so dangerous... You just blindly listen to what someone says and take it as fact even when there is nothing that says it is.


Edited by mjtomlin - 5/30/12 at 3:37pm
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Spotify is going to fail.  Label after label are pulling their music from the service.


Really?  I'm able to get just about anything I want on it.  Screw the record labels.  If they kill stuff like Spotify they really are idiots.

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I wish Apple had succeeded. Spotify is bad for consumers, bad for musicians, bad for experiencing hi-fidelity music. Mastered for iTunes is the best way to experience digital music.

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Sean Parker is a media whore. I wouldn't believe anything he says, he'll do anything to increase awareness of his companies. And nothing's going to get his name and Spotify in the media quicker than bringing up a "feeling" he had about Apple wanting to crush his awesome company.

 

Oh please.

 

And for people to think Apple is afraid of competition, is just asinine... They've been competing with the mother of all competition, Microsoft, for over twenty years.

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What part of "If this is true" did you not understand?

 

Probably the part where you think leading questions are part of honest conversation. 

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Probably the part where you think leading questions are part of honest conversation. 

lol ok. There is not more to say other than that.

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They supposedly tried to block Spotify, yet offer apps for competing services like Rhapsody, Rdio, MOG and Sony Music Unlimited?
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I wish Apple had succeeded. Spotify is bad for consumers, bad for musicians, bad for experiencing hi-fidelity music. Mastered for iTunes is the best way to experience digital music.

That's one way of looking at things.  Another way is that Spotify is actually great of consumers and musicians.  How?  Many consumers want to discover new music.  Many musicians want their music discovered.  Spotify offers an easy way of doing this without having to necessarily buy every song.  It's wonderful of discovery, and guess what?  It's legal.

 

Why is that some on here simply cannot accept that many love Spotify (and similar) services.  These same folks have been talking about the "death of subscription music" for a long time.  Guess what?  They're still around.  Some like Spotify, Rdio and others are doing quite well.  They aren't going away anytime soon.

 

As for audio fidelity?  I don't have a high end system.  I wouldn't be able to hear the difference.  I'm not an audiophile - nothing wrong in being one - that's just not my priority in life.

 

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What part of "If this is true" did you not understand?

I heard you beat your dog. Nothing definite, you hear things, people send you emails...If this is true, quite sad.

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It is more likely that Apple, being unable to obtain streaming deals from the music industry was seeking some fairness, not having to compete with one hand tied behind their back.

 

No doubt Apple would like to offer a subscription service to their substantial iTunes library, licensing restrictions are what prevents it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Given the strength of Apple's presence in so many areas of modern technology, their constant/relentless attempts to block the efforts of anything that even appears to be competition does little more than indicate that they're not quite as confident in their wares as some might believe.
Healthy competition's is always a good thing, and when companies go out of their way to thwart it that the entire industry becomes stifiled and far less innovative than it ever should be.

 

Obviously you are referring to the abuse of F/RAND based patents deemed essential for standards, such as those being used by Samsung and Motorola Mobility against Apple and Microsoft.

 

You'd think now that Motorola Mobility is owned by Google, that the FRAND based suits would have been dropped as a matter of principle, Google being renowned chest beaters over issues involving patents.


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They supposedly tried to block Spotify, yet offer apps for competing services like Rhapsody, Rdio, MOG and Sony Music Unlimited?

 

..and spotify.

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Originally Posted by eksodos View Post

I wish Apple had succeeded. Spotify is bad for consumers, bad for musicians, bad for experiencing hi-fidelity music. Mastered for iTunes is the best way to experience digital music.

Mastered for iTunes?  Pardon, are you really comparing the quality of iTunes to that of a CD, or SACD?

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Parker heard a thing from a guy at that place that one time.

 

And then he got EMAIL.

 

From .....a Nigerian PRINCE!

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Of course it's true, Shaw Wu read it in Digitimes. They have unnamed sources close to the matter.

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Well I have to say I use Spotify everyday and love it. I wish iTunes would offer what they do but they fail to realize what people want. 

 

 

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Spotify is going to fail.  Label after label are pulling their music from the service.

 

 Where is the proof in this statement? I see more and more music showing up everyday. Sounds more like you just pulled something out of your @ss with nothing to back it up. 

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It is very telling that Sean Parker finds humor in the fact that the music industry has shrunk from $40B+ in revenue to $12B since he came on the scene 12 years ago - he has been a major player in the fact that the music artists themselves have been and continue to get screwed -  he is such an arrogant scumbag. Obviously these guys DO NOT respect the artist!

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Given the strength of Apple's presence in so many areas of modern technology, their constant/relentless attempts to block the efforts of anything that even appears to be competition does little more than indicate that they're not quite as confident in their wares as some might believe.
Healthy competition's is always a good thing, and when companies go out of their way to thwart it that the entire industry becomes stifiled and far less innovative than it ever should be.

What a crock! If Apple did anything, it would be to convince them that their business model is far superior to any "all you can eat" incredibly low margin service, which is in fact true. Pointing out reality is not anti-competive or "thwarting competition in any sense. Sean Parker is a person who thinks that stealing music is ok. And that now its ok that artists get paid next to nothing for their art. The music industry is being foolish and is acting out of fear, not good business sense.

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Great way to drum up some last minute publicity for your "iTunes-killer" (take a number, Lol) music service, Sean. 

 

Go to D10, and since you've got nothing else going for your service that never really took off in the way you dreamed, make up some stuff about "big bad Apple", and then dodge any requests for proof by alluding to your own "insider" knowledge:  "You hear things, people send you emails."

 

And *then*, backpedal just enough, and then make just enough conciliatory remarks that you *might* come off as "balanced":

 

"Parker admits that the music industry is not an overly important sector for Apple and it is unlikely that the company is too concerned with rivals like Spotify, saying "?[Music] is still such a small part of their overall business, it wouldn?t be hugely significant to their bottom line."

 

So Apple went out of their way to block a service that would have competed against Apple in a segment Apple no longer really cared about. 

 

Uh-huh.

Parker's statement that you quote above shows his complete ignorance of what makes Apple great and so successful - it is Apple's total ecosystem Sean! Not just one component! The importance of music to Apple, the music industry and the Apple ecosystem goes far beyond his narrow self-serving view of the world and Apple's revenue stream related to music sales through iTunes.

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Really?  I'm able to get just about anything I want on it.  Screw the record labels.  If they kill stuff like Spotify they really are idiots.

Your statement of "Screw the record labels" says it all - so therefore you like screwing the artists. Aren't you a peach!

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It is too bad Spotify sucks.  I was just as excited for it as anyone.  I had tried all the music subscription services and most were great, but Spotify was the one I paid for without trying the mobile app.  What a mistake.  My only reason for a subscription service is music discovery.  And the Spotify mobile app was terrible for that.  Perhaps it is better now, but no ability to browse new album releases by genre, no ability to view top 100 by genre, no artist radio, no curated playlists, no "if you like this, maybe you'll like this" feature, etc.  These are features that most, if not all of the competing services have.  I personally think Rhapsody has the best mobile experience of them all, but any of them beat Spotify.  Spotify has a nice catalog, but that is it.  And their number of songs is inflated by a large number of duplicate listings of the same record, at least in my experience.  If you are not one to pay for a subscription service, the free Spotify is fine for previewing something someone recommended to you and the like.  If you really want a full featured subscription experience, go with any of the other major services.
 

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That's one way of looking at things.  Another way is that Spotify is actually great of consumers and musicians.  How?  Many consumers want to discover new music.  Many musicians want their music discovered.  Spotify offers an easy way of doing this without having to necessarily buy every song.  It's wonderful of discovery, and guess what?  It's legal.

 

Why is that some on here simply cannot accept that many love Spotify (and similar) services.  These same folks have been talking about the "death of subscription music" for a long time.  Guess what?  They're still around.  Some like Spotify, Rdio and others are doing quite well.  They aren't going away anytime soon.

 

As for audio fidelity?  I don't have a high end system.  I wouldn't be able to hear the difference.  I'm not an audiophile - nothing wrong in being one - that's just not my priority in life.

 

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Hmmm - last time I checked you could sample music on iTunes too? I must be missing something important in your comment. Nope, checked again, you can definitely sample ever song on iTunes... in fact they have dramatically increase the sample size. OOPS, guess you really have no clear advantage! Ignorance is bliss isn't it...

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Spotify is going to fail.  Label after label are pulling their music from the service.

Hmmmm I wonder why?
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..and spotify.

Did you search for the Spotify App?  (Obviously not.)

http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/spotify-ltd./id324684583

 

[Oops. Sorry hill 60. On more careful reading, I see you meant to add Spotify to the list (pointing out the same thing I was.]

(Obviously!  ;-)


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"There was some indication that that might have been happening," Parker said. "You hear things, people send you emails."

 

really? this is all he's got? what a bunch of horseshit—and, in true form, the troll are like flies and are all over it.

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If this is true it is quite sad...

 

Evidence, please.

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Hmmm - last time I checked you could sample music on iTunes too? I must be missing something important in your comment. Nope, checked again, you can definitely sample ever song on iTunes... in fact they have dramatically increase the sample size. OOPS, guess you really have no clear advantage! Ignorance is bliss isn't it...

being able to listen to the full length of any song i want at any time is far different from the itunes experience.  the itunes experience would cost me significantly more money, and be much more inconvenient.  If i feel like listen to hits from the 90s today, I can do that in spotify for just the rate of my monthly subscription.  can you do that in itunes?  Spotify indeed lacks some of the suggestion features of other services, but it is excellent for the service it delivers.  iTunes is nowhere near close, and i haven't touched my itunes library once since getting spotify. 

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Your statement of "Screw the record labels" says it all - so therefore you like screwing the artists. Aren't you a peach!


I think his intention was to screw the record labels' old world business models.  I think most people are in favor of artists, studios, and everyone involved making money.  Given how people consume music today, you expect that these companies should adapt to modern business models.  The same can be said for television.

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being able to listen to the full length of any song i want at any time is far different from the itunes experience.  the itunes experience would cost me significantly more money, and be much more inconvenient.  If i feel like listen to hits from the 90s today, I can do that in spotify for just the rate of my monthly subscription.  can you do that in itunes?  Spotify indeed lacks some of the suggestion features of other services, but it is excellent for the service it delivers.  iTunes is nowhere near close, and i haven't touched my itunes library once since getting spotify. 

Exactly right. I use Spotify every day. It is a great service for a measly 10 bucks a month. This is what Apple should have done instead of iTunes match IMO. An all you can eat buffet of music for one price is a great idea. Instead iTunes is stuck in the belief that every person would rather "own" the music. As far as sound quality goes, as long as you pay, you get the high bit rate mp3's and they sound fine. Obviously if you want 100% CD quality you will have to look elsewhere but it sounds just as good as any iTunes lossy files. I NEVER buy ANY music from iTunes anymore because it just isn't worth it. Between Amazon's sales and Spotify I get all the music I want. If I really like an album I will then buy it so I can have a higher quality recording and rip it into any format I feel like. Bloated and glitchy iTunes just needs to die a quick death as far as I am concerned.

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Hehe, Napster guy defending Spotify... I'm a fan of Pandora, have discovered many musicians with it. Is Apple also keeping Pandora stateside only? Bugger.

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Exactly right. I use Spotify every day. It is a great service for a measly 10 bucks a month. This is what Apple should have done instead of iTunes match IMO. An all you can eat buffet of music for one price is a great idea. Instead iTunes is stuck in the belief that every person would rather "own" the music. As far as sound quality goes, as long as you pay, you get the high bit rate mp3's and they sound fine. Obviously if you want 100% CD quality you will have to look elsewhere but it sounds just as good as any iTunes lossy files. I NEVER buy ANY music from iTunes anymore because it just isn't worth it. Between Amazon's sales and Spotify I get all the music I want. If I really like an album I will then buy it so I can have a higher quality recording and rip it into any format I feel like. Bloated and glitchy iTunes just needs to die a quick death as far as I am concerned.

 

Are you sure it's Apple?

 

Last I heard they were forced into the iTunes Match model by the recording industry's refusal to grant the required streaming licenses.

 

Perhaps the DoJ could take a look into this possible anticompetitive behaviour.

 

It's far more interesting than boring, old eBooks.

 

I just got spottily, it just launched in Australia, I've got a 48 hour free trial of "premium" on my iPhone, I already have most of the music a cursory examination of it shows.

 

I've got 7,500 songs in iTunes match, which grows as I find new stuff with Shazam.

 

I'll have to weigh up the costs $35 a year vs $144 for Spotify 

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If this is true it is quite sad...

 

Except it's not true at all.  Sean Parker is a no talent douchebag, who lies through his teeth and is more concerned with his own image than anything else.  

 

Think about it.  Apple was supposedly "worried about what Spotify was doing."???

Come on. 

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I wish Apple had succeeded. Spotify is bad for consumers, bad for musicians, bad for experiencing hi-fidelity music. Mastered for iTunes is the best way to experience digital music.

Spotify offers lossless music to premium subscribers now. Better quality than anything on iTunes.

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