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post #41 of 81

I really hope this is a true leak. It's about time the iPhone goes 16:9. It bothered me when Jobs announced the original iPhone as being a 'widescreen iPod' when in fact it wasn't.

 

The current iPhone's oddball aspect ratio is looking rather oldy-timey compared to all the widescreen Android devices. So I welcome a true widescreen iPhone. It's been a long, long time coming.

 

I also like the shape of the overall frame. They shrunk the height of the home button area as much as possible. Obviously the earpiece area is also be the same height to maintain symmetry. To me it's a perfect front design (not crazy about the supposed leaked backs though)

 

Going forward Apple can finally have two standard aspects for its iOS devices: 3:2 (iPad) and 16:9 (iPhone, iPod, iTV).

 

I work with developers, and the new aspect isn't a big deal for them since retina upscaling is all done by now (and downscaling new apps for the 3GS is trivial in XCode). So adapting existing apps to the new resolution won't be a huge burden, especially considering how well XCode has supported new resolutions in the past.

 

Bring it on.

post #42 of 81

I'm sick of all these rumors.  We don't know whether it's the real thing, fake or a prototype part that will never get released.  Just the other night at D10 Tim Cook commented on Apple not being fragmented, so it makes ZERO sense that the new iPhone would change aspect ratio to 16:9.  Sorry but I'm not buying it.
 

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It's about time the iPhone goes 16:9.

 

As though there was some pressing need for it or something?

 

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Going forward Apple can finally have two standard aspects for its iOS devices: 3:2 (iPad) and 16:9 (iPhone, iPod, iTV).

 

iPad is 4:3.

 

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I'm sick of all these rumors.  We don't know whether it's the real thing, fake or a prototype part that will never get released.  Just the other night at D10 Tim Cook commented on Apple not being fragmented, so it makes ZERO sense that the new iPhone would change aspect ratio to 16:9.  Sorry but I'm not buying it.

 

Here come the cries of "video iPod" and whatever else.

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post #44 of 81

This is definitely fake.  Why would Apple increase the size of the blank spots on the top and bottom of the phone?  Even if they decide to increase the screen size they wouldn't make the blank parts so large as they can already fit current components into a smaller area. 

post #45 of 81
I'm convinced the new phone display will be larger (thankfully). I am also convinced the most logical way to do it is to keep the PPI the same and extend the number of pixels on one axis by 176 to make 1136x960 display. This will allow the most minimal impact to uses and devs.

Gruber stated he doesnt think Apple will increase the case size. I think Apple would ideally not want to increase the size but with a larger backlight, more pixels, LTE, and potentially other new HW that might not be possible. Gruber has also stated that Android phone had gotten so big because of LTE which I think could very well affect the case size despite likely getting 3rd-gen LTE tech.

In the end it will be what it will be and I trust Apple to balance size, weight, features, performance and battery life well as they successfully has done many, many times before, which is not something I can say for other vendors.

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post #46 of 81
If they stretch it like this I won't be buying it. I want a wider phone of the same proportions. I bet plenty of people think the same.
post #47 of 81

have u guys seen the big white iphone 4s in apple store windows? i want my phone that big!

post #48 of 81
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I'm convinced the new phone display will be larger (thankfully). I am also convinced the most logical way to do it is to keep the PPI the same and extend the number of pixels on one axis by 176 to make 1136x960 display. This will allow the most minimal impact to uses and devs.
Gruber stated he doesnt think Apple will increase the case size. I think Apple would ideally not want to increase the size but with a larger backlight, more pixels, LTE, and potentially other new HW that might not be possible. Gruber has also stated that Android phone had gotten so big because of LTE which I think could very well affect the case size despite likely getting 3rd-gen LTE tech.
In the end it will be what it will be and I trust Apple to balance size, weight, features, performance and battery life well as they successfully has done many, many times before, which is not something I can say for other vendors.

the new iphone is definitely bigger in screen size for sure after all these rumors and leaks for the past year or so. it wouldnt surprise me.

post #49 of 81

I expect the new iphone to be bigger too, just not 16:9.  Why in the world would they make it taller but not wider?  How does that improve the viewing quality at all?  No I don't want some stupid a** Galaxy Note size phone but if they're going to make it bigger at least do it proportionally.
 

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I expect the new iphone to be bigger too, just not 16:9.  Why in the world would they make it taller but not wider?  How does that improve the viewing quality at all?  No I don't want some stupid a** Galaxy Note size phone but if they're going to make it bigger at least do it proportionally.
 

yes. 16:9 is just weird, only good for lcd tv's but not a phone! i agree w/ making it bigger by a few centimeters wide, not stretch it taller just looks weird to me.

post #51 of 81
Apple could reasonably recover 4mm width based on the current design. They likely cannot recover 5mm vertically from the current design to keep the proportions case size the same and the screen ratio the same. So, extending the case 5mm leaves them at a 3.7" screen. To get a 4" screen, they need to extend the case about 14mm. This would leave them at about 60% screen coverage.

Screen coverage area necessarily improves as you use a larger screen. Your "parasitic" parts drop off. If they were to do significant re-design of the phone's arrangement, it is possible they could drop the length by 5mm, but the leaked images don't seem to support that.

The widest they can go is likely the width of the iPod classic, which would add about 5mm, and let them reduce the added length a bit.
post #52 of 81

If they do release this brilliant design it can double up as a tv remote. LG tried doing it, but apple will get it right. Think different. Think taller. Use that phone as a remote.

 

 

Samsung-TV-LED-C9000-Remote.jpg

post #53 of 81

No one wants a TV remote for a phone.  Unless these "leaks" we're seeing are not for the new iPhone but are for a new TV remote?  If they were changing the iPhone to 16:9 wouldn't that fact come out during WWDC?  Wouldn't app developers have to be made aware?
 

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Unless these "leaks" we're seeing are not for the new iPhone but are for a new TV remote?

 

Why would a TV remote need a dock connector, speakers, a mic, a FaceTime camera, and to be a quarter of an inch thick?

 

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  If they were changing the iPhone to 16:9 wouldn't that fact come out during WWDC?  Wouldn't app developers have to be made aware?

 

No. And no.

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post #55 of 81
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If they do release this brilliant design it can double up as a tv remote. LG tried doing it, but apple will get it right. Think different. Think taller. Use that phone as a remote.

 

 

Samsung-TV-LED-C9000-Remote.jpg

this is pretty silly. no one would want something like this against their head to talk.

post #56 of 81
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Originally Posted by iEatApples View Post

yes. 16:9 is just weird, only good for lcd tv's..
...and then they go to 21:9.
post #57 of 81
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

If they do release this brilliant design it can double up as a tv remote. LG tried doing it, but apple will get it right. Think different. Think taller. Use that phone as a remote.

 

 

Samsung-TV-LED-C9000-Remote.jpg

 

 

Nah, the new long design was inspired by the Lost series:

Sayid-satphone.jpg

post #58 of 81
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I'm convinced the new phone display will be larger (thankfully). 

Wow, do you have a crystal ball or something?

post #59 of 81
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Wow, do you have a crystal ball or something?

with all the rumors floating around about a larger screen phone the past few months, i am also convinced. it will come true in a few months so everyone should just stay put and see.

post #60 of 81

Ah, rumor season is upon us.  Welcome noobs.

 

 

Whatever they release, I’m buying.

post #61 of 81
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As though there was some pressing need for it or something?


iPad is 4:3.


Here come the cries of "video iPod" and whatever else.

My mistake about the iPad aspect ratio. I know that it's 4:3 quite well (I'm a filmmaker) but must have brain farted and thought of the iPhone instead (current iPhones are 3:2)

Regardless, my aspect error doesn't affect my point.

As for a pressing need. Yes there is a pressing need for a 16:9 iPhone. Unlike the iPad, which works much better as a 4:3 device (most iPad apps orient in both landscape and portrait better with a less wide aspect, and the screen is large enough to consume widescreen letterboxed content), the iPhone would work perfectly fine as a widescreen device since the majority of its use is in portrait mode, and it would allow video consumption (most of which is 16:9) to be viewed larger; a big deal for a handset.

Finally the massive array of widescreen android handsets have proven that 16:9 works rather nicely for a phone (although rather poorly for a tablet).

So I'm fairly certain the iPhone will go 16:9. And personally am looking forward to it.
post #62 of 81
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Originally Posted by iEatApples View Post

have u guys seen the big white iphone 4s in apple store windows? i want my phone that big!

Microsoft has it and it's called the iTable. The people at one end of the table use it to talk to those at the other end. It's totally revolutionized the table market.

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post #63 of 81
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Though the screen may change shape, I'm betting that the actual App real estate will be the same as the 3.5" displays, and developers won't have to change anything.  What we'll get is an actual dock for 'real' multi-tasking -- not the 'double-click-the-home-screen' thing.  So the iOS will be upgraded as well to give us a visual dock for running Apps, and/or maybe a place for customizable buttons.

 

That's my prediction.

 -Carnac the Magnificent

 

This actually makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple also gives developers the ability to use the entire screen if they choose to (video apps, certainly).

post #64 of 81
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Wow, do you have a crystal ball or something?

I'm also convinced the way I'm convinced that tomorrow the sun will rise in the East and set in the West, that some people will die and some will be born, and some people will have the best day of their lives while others will have the worst, and you will continue to be bitter, anger, and fail to post anything useful or relevant in any thread. A rational and sane person should know that one can be convinced of such things based on historical data and facts but that doesn't mean one is saying this is the only thing that could happen, only what they overwhelming know as most likely.

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post #65 of 81
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Though the screen may change shape, I'm betting that the actual App real estate will be the same as the 3.5" displays, and developers won't have to change anything.  What we'll get is an actual dock for 'real' multi-tasking -- not the 'double-click-the-home-screen' thing.  So the iOS will be upgraded as well to give us a visual dock for running Apps, and/or maybe a place for customizable buttons.

That's my prediction.
 -Carnac the Magnificent
That seems the least likely to me. Besides the entire iOS design and philosophy being based on the device is the app that is currently being shown having a dock of icons at the bottom will be accidentally hit by your finger which will affect usability. You can see this for yourself with the newer Android phones with software buttons.

if we assume the same PPI and display width we're not talking a lot of work for developers. We're talking about the 176 more pixels on one axis. Open up Mail or Safari and rotate the orientation. It changes perfectly to take up the space. All apps that are following the longstanding guidelines should work quite well already. If they don't then we're talking about 176x640 pixels not being used. I imagine there are games that would be affected, but we're talking about an 88 pixel letter-boxing for those that can't naturally adapt. Not exactly an issue as the old resolution will fit into the proposed new resolution with an exact pixel size.

I'd like them to resolve some of the issues with the Fast App Switching but having a permanent dock is to me the worst solution possible.

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post #66 of 81
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I don't believe Apple has ever purposefully leaked a y Apple hardware. That's just not their style.
 

 

Obviously you don't remember Codename Asteroid. Apple has done that before.


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post #67 of 81
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Why would a TV remote need a dock connector, speakers, a mic, a FaceTime camera, and to be a quarter of an inch thick?


No. And no.
So app developers don't need to know if the aspect ratio changes? That doesn't impact them at all?
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Ah, rumor season is upon us.  Welcome noobs.

 

I had a thought which turned into a question which turned into this.

 

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So app developers don't need to know if the aspect ratio changes? That doesn't impact them at all?
 

Didn't say that. Apple's just not going to TELL them in advance.

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post #69 of 81

Every time Apple release a new product or significant design change the internet predictably erupts with hate and rants...

 

Though I gotta say, this time, the idea of a larger iPhone really does sound bloody awful. I love it how the iPhone has stuck with it's size, it's perfectly compact and fits in your pocket with ease, plus the resolution/ratio is the same across all models. It's a phone. Elegant. Not a tablet, bloated e-diary or Android beast.

 

Really hoping this jpg is just some cheap rip-off chinese part.

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So app developers don't need to know if the aspect ratio changes? That doesn't impact them at all?

Your question sounds unfair. Is your query an implication that they need to know before the product launches? Did developers need to know about the resolution changes before the iPhone 4 and iPad (3) was announced? It certainly would have been nice but most of those that were following the guidelines had little to no work in adapting to the new number of pixels. The most logical course of action for Apple to me seems to be using the same pixel density and making the current resolution fit inside the new size without having to cut off any pixels.
Edited by SolipsismX - 5/31/12 at 6:43pm

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It's weird to have this part, because last two iPhone models have the screen being part of the front glass. I think it's purposely leaked prototype by Apple.

The glass front has been a part of the display and touch matrix because Apple has been adhering them together. While they might still do that the display, touch matrix and glass cover have been being built as at least 3 separate components, perhaps 4 if you count the backlight but I'm not sure if that comes as a single piece off the same general assembly.

There is hope that Apple might not be gluing them anymore if recent rumours of the new case are true as it shows that access to the internals will happen from the frontside instead of the back panel. This likely means cheaper front panel and home button repair costs; perhaps even something one can do themselves. Even if they do adhere the glass to the electronics it would still probably be cheaper than it is now, but I hope they fine a way to make it look as good without adhering it permanently.

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post #72 of 81
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Your question sounds unfair. Is your query an implication that they need to know before the product launches? Did developers need to know about the resolution changes before the iPhone 4 and iPad (3) was announced? It certainly would have been nice but most of those that were following the guidelines had little to now to work in adapting to the new number of pixels. The most logical course of action for Apple to me seems to be using the same pixel density and making the current resolution fit inside the new size without having to cut off any pixels.
I guess It was just wishful thinking that we'd get some clue as to whether iPhone is going 16:9. Pictures on rumors sites of a supposed phone mean nothing to me because more often than not the rumors are wrong,
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Inspiration for the new iphone: 

LLLL

and of course:

LL

esp. that last one is going to come in very handy to apple after iphone's 5 release.

Ohh, finally colors are back!
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LOL!

 

Did you really find that post amusing? Goodness.

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If they do release this brilliant design it can double up as a tv remote. LG tried doing it, but apple will get it right. Think different. Think taller. Use that phone as a remote.

 

 

Samsung-TV-LED-C9000-Remote.jpg

 

Actually that's a Samsung, and isn't it funny how it looks like an hyper-extended 3GS... From another angle:

 

samsung-all-in-one-touch-remote.jpg


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post #76 of 81
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post If they were changing the iPhone to 16:9 wouldn't that fact come out during WWDC?  Wouldn't app developers have to be made aware?

 

 

Ever heard of an NDA?

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You were only the 2nd post.   Who exactly were you trying to calm down?   

 

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You're right, my mistake. 4" is smaller than 3.5", of course.

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It's a LG BL40 Chocolate!!!

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It's a LG BL40 Chocolate!!!
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Holy cow, I remember that. I remember that we all trashed it, too, and with good reason, because it's a completely idiotic design.

 

Better brace yourselves, everyone. This is what the Android trolls are going to cite now that being an idiot and talking about the Prada is no longer in vogue.

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ergonomic mistake for those with small hands
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