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post #41 of 80

Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?

 

If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price. 

 

Even if you're self-righteously against social networking, the fact still remains that it's a reality that Apple would be completely remiss in not addressing. The key is to make it both highly integrated and accessible in the OS, while keeping it as unintrusive as possible. It's certainly possible to have it both ways, and I don't doubt that Apple will be able to integrate it properly. 


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Is all this Facebook negativity based on their IPO issue?

 

If it is, it's VASTLY misplaced. Facebook's real value has absolutely nothing to do with its stock price. 

I've been negative to Facebook both before and after the catastrophic IPO. Do you own shares of FB or something? You sure seem to be defending FB an awful lot in this thread.

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This is a very poor decision by Apple and to me, simply scary.

 

It isn't remotely a poor decision. It's a very sensible decision by Apple, integrating the most popular social network into the most popular smartphone. It will be very useful to much of the user base - Facebook has mainstream leverage in a way that Twitter doesn't. I think you're projecting your own views of Facebook onto the issue a bit too much.


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post #44 of 80

As long as there is the option to turn it off, then I'm ok. If not, I'll consider ditching the iPhone. My device shouldn't control me.

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As long as there is the option to turn it off, then I'm ok. If not, I'll consider ditching the iPhone. My device shouldn't control me.

 

It will be no different from the Twitter functionality already baked in. The problem comes in this crap showing up in popups and dropdowns even if you don't use the services.

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post #46 of 80

I guess you could just ignore it? I never use the Reading List feature, so I just ignore it when it comes up in dropdowns.

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Ditto here...how is this good again? So every "friend" will now know which game or app I am using with those stupid FB-forced logins?

It's goor or bad depending on the individual. The reality is that facebook has hundreds of millions of users, is heavily used, and is not going anywhere. I doubt that Apple is ultra-excited about it, but the fact is they have little choice but to support deeper integration because of the massive userbase. I'm sure it will not be invasive if you don't want it to be, I know I'll have it turned off myself. 

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A new version of HyperCard that let you create web-based apps using HTML5 would be very cool.   With ties to iCloud.   Now that would be something useful.

 

You mean the new iBook authoring tool?

post #49 of 80

SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.

 

Well, it's here to stay.  Either evolve or get left behind.

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SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.

 

Well, it's here to stay.  Either evolve or get left behind.

 

Some local asshat was claiming on another thread that Apple already had a social network... so I wonder what he'd think about a real social network coming to iOS...

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SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.

 

Young fart here. Screw social networking. It's the embodiment of the degradation of actual, physical human relationships. It undermines the definition of the word 'friend'.

 

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Well, it's here to stay.

 

Just like love-ins, bell-bottom pants, grunge, and GeoCities.


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post #52 of 80

Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move.  I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices.  It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.

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I've not seen apps that require it, but there are many on-line news sites that require a Facebook account in order to make a comment on an article.  This is a trend that is growing.  Granted, not being able to comment on an article does not exactly rank with being deprived of water in Death Valley.  But unless the site has some deal worked with Facebook for data mining, why do they do this?

They do it because the average user can't be bothered to keep track of their login information for more than a couple favorite sites, so allowing users to log in through Facebook increases participation. The real question is why so many users are okay with Facebook tracking them not only on facebook.com but on all these other websites as well.

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Yeah, sonny. IU'm old (but not a fart thank you very much).  It is not fear of social networking itself.  I don't fear it because I don't use it.  What I DO "fear" is having data-mining built into the operating system of the devices I use. I don't have a Facebook account, and I don't want their damned software on my computer. Nor do I tweet, nor am I on MySpace, or any other of these services.  I no longer use AOL or Yahoo instant messaging either; it lost its usefulness for me, so I just stopped.  I took the pertinent apps off my computers and went from there.  I also do not have cable service because I do not watch television.  

 

Notice that all of the above are easily eliminated from one's life, and one's computer where it applies.

 

If Cook builds Facebook into the operating system in a manner where I can't NOT have it, that becomes a whole new set of circumstances.  The on-screen switch in Preferences may SAY it is off, but, is it? I don't see FB, or AAPL for that matter, giving up a revenue source that easily.

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post #55 of 80

"...so allowing users to log in through Facebook increases participation."

 

Not "allow".  REQUIRE. 

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post #56 of 80
Facebook is a virus. A very well-disguised virus, but a virus nonetheless. And it looks like it's going to infect Apple now.
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post #57 of 80
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Facebook integration is a logical, inevitable move.  I don't have access to any numbers, but I suspect the iOS FB app is the most used app across all iOS devices.  It makes sense to integrate the commonly used functions into iOS.

 

It might make sense for those who live in FB (like fb whores having 500+ friends, or whoever update their status every minute, or post pictures of their puppies, etc).

It does not make sense for me at all. 

How much more of valuable flash space iOS will take for FB dedicated functions that I will never use?

How many new FB-related menus will I see in the UI even though FB is going to be completely disabled? (Just like Tweet this, Tweet that even though I do not have twitter account).

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Young fart here. Screw social networking. It's the embodiment of the degradation of actual, physical human relationships. It undermines the definition of the word 'friend'.

I concur. There's nothing social about social networking; by design it is to 'show the world what I have', be it your clean laundry or your dirty; it's only there to entice people to respond, to provoke.

Two people having dinner; one goes to the toilet, other one logs into FB. Girlfriend comes back from toilet, he shares with her that post number blabla was 'liked' by a friend. Discussion ends.

Wow. Facebook. Really a social thing. Communicating less as a result.
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post #59 of 80
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Hopefully developers will give a resounding 'Boo' when the announcement is made.
Keep is as an app. It's easier to delete when Facebook goes south.
post #60 of 80
We are not afraid of social networking, just don't want it embedded in the OS. When Facebook goes south (which it inevitably will) what happens then? You see it isn't just old folk who don't want it included, there are a lot of spritely young minds on this forum who don't want it either.
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post #61 of 80

Apple have made poor decisions in the past but invariably they come out unscathed. They've learnt their lesson from the HP-branded iPod days.

 

FaceBook will slide into obscurity after Google wipe them out and Apple will quietly discontinue the integration. http://jeff-with-a-g.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/how-google-saved-privacy-or-how-google.html

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I don't get why people who don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc. have this strange preoccupation with running them down. If you don't want to use them, then don't - but accept that other people do, and that you're not an authority on how other people should conduct themselves socially.

post #63 of 80
Stupid feature.

If this was made several years ago, MySpace or Orkut was the choice.

Social networks change... a lot.
post #64 of 80

9to5 feels they have a reliable inside on the Facebook integration:

"According to sources familiar with the Facebook integration into iOS 6, the integration will be very similar to Twitter’s integration that launched with iOS 5. The integration’s biggest presence will be in the iOS Photos application. Like you are able to send photos to Twitter from the Photos application, you will be able to post photos to Facebook. A single sign-on section for all Facebook connected applications is present in the iOS 6 system settings application. Like with Twitter, a new “social sheet,” as some people familiar with the matter call it, will appear for an accompanying status message."

 

"Besides content sharing, Apple is also relying on Facebook for a big new social change for the built-in App Store: a feature called “App Liking.” Discoverability has always been a major downside of the Apple mobile apps market with hundreds-of-thousands of software apps, but Apple will by relying on the world’s largest social network to help fix that problem. Inside individual application pages on the iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch App Store will be a standard Facebook “Like” button. If a user is logged into Facebook via iOS Settings, these app “Likes” will be sent to their Facebook Timelines. Accompanying status messages will also be an option."

 

I'll be curious to see what permissions users are granting by allowing Facebook access.

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FaceBook will slide into obscurity after Google wipe them out and Apple will quietly discontinue the integration. http://jeff-with-a-g.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/how-google-saved-privacy-or-how-google.html

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I don't get why people who don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc. have this strange preoccupation with running them down. If you don't want to use them, then don't - but accept that other people do, and that you're not an authority on how other people should conduct themselves socially.

Its not that people are running it down for no real reason. The fact is (and the whole point of this thread) is that people don't want it integrated into iOS.

post #67 of 80

I certainly hope Apple doesn't FORCE me to open up a Facebook account or have any of my information being given to Facebook for any reason.  That's all I care about.  I have cancelled my Facebook account and do NOT plan on signing back on, at least until Zuckerberg is off the face of the planet.  I don't want to be any part of helping that guy make more money.

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SO many old farts on here afraid of Social Networking.

 

Well, it's here to stay.  Either evolve or get left behind.

People don't need to have Facebook.  We have email. Email is here to stay, Facebook is just an option.  I know plenty of people with Facebook that don't really use it other than to have links to "Facebook Friends", which really doesn't mean anything, or they post a photo that no one really wants to look at, or make some stupid comment every once in a while.  Other wise they communicate with email and phones, just like before.  I also know people that had Facebook that ended up not really using it and not really needing it.  If your in elementary, high school or college, you might need it just to be accepted by other kids, but it isn't necessary.  Quit peer pressuring people into getting involved with Facebook..

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I certainly hope Apple doesn't FORCE me to open up a Facebook account or have any of my information being given to Facebook for any reason.

 

That's illegal and laughable to even suggest.

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post #70 of 80
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That's illegal and laughable to even suggest.

Spotify forces you to have a Facebook account to have a Spotify account.

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Spotify forces you to have a Facebook account to have a Spotify account.

 

But a phone cannot force you to have a completely unrelated sociopath networking account to use the phone… 

 

It cannot happen, it will not happen. It'll be just like Twitter integration is right now.

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post #72 of 80
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But a phone cannot force you to have a completely unrelated sociopath networking account to use the phone… 

 

It cannot happen, it will not happen. It'll be just like Twitter integration is right now.

I'm not talking about using the phone.  Personally, I don't want it and would rather not have the code there because it takes up room, as little room as it might take.  I don't use Twitter either, I would rather than spend time doing other things that I would use that would make a better user experience than having to waste developer time on something that not all of their users want or need.  There are plenty of things their developers can spend their time on that ALL users can benefit from to make iOS better, like security.

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Spotify forces you to have a Facebook account to have a Spotify account.
No it doesn't. I have a spotify premium account and don't have a facebook account.
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But a phone cannot force you to have a completely unrelated sociopath networking account to use the phone… 

 

It cannot happen, it will not happen. It'll be just like Twitter integration is right now.

 

I'm not saying that this will happen, but there's the following possible scenario:

 

  1. Social network credentials are introduced as an alternative way to log in while using a device/forum
  2. There is a substantial overlap between the social network's subscribers and the forum subscribers/device owners
  3. Those who belong to both groups enjoy the ease of using their device/forum with the social networks credentials
  4. Social network is legitimized in the eyes of the majority of device owners as the easier and proper way to log in
  5. New iterations of the device/forum start to assume that everyone is on the social network too
  6. New features are gradually introduced that are only accessible to social network subscribers
  7. Everyone else is being told to get with the program
  8. Alternative login methods are phased out
  9. The Borg wins

 

So, anyone here on Ai using the "connect with Facebook" button?

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So, anyone here on Ai using the "connect with Facebook" button?

 

We have a "connect with Facebook" button here?

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post #76 of 80

Yes sir. Right under your log-in name.

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post #77 of 80

I love my extensions.

 

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post #78 of 80
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I love my extensions.

 

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Extensions have their pluses, I'm sure -- as long as connecting with FB is optional.

 

It'll go down like this:

 

"I can't { login to a subforum : post images : see new posts in bold } any more!"

"Use 'connect with FB'."

"I don't have it..."

"Please disable third party extensions first..."

 

...or something like that...

post #79 of 80

I agree, with everyone who is against this move......this is scary!  Why partner with Facebook after the IPO fiasco.  

 

Apple will hurt it's brand by associating with Facebook.  


Edited by StrategyCoach - 6/6/12 at 7:52am
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Ditto

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