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Microsoft on Monday unveiled a competitor to Apple's AirPlay: SmartGlass, a new feature tied to its Xbox 360 game console that connect to Apple's iPhone and iPad to enhance content watching and game playing.

Xbox SmartGlass was unveiled by Microsoft at its media briefing at the Electronics Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, Calif. The new cross-platform functionality will come to Apple's iOS, as well as Google Android and Microsoft Windows Phone and Windows 8, later this year.

Microsoft showed off how content being played on the Xbox 360 could be complemented by additional content on a tablet like an iPad. In one demonstration, a user watching "Game of Thrones" on the HBO Go application had the show streaming to their HDTV, while an interactive map of the fictional world was displayed on a tablet and was updated in real-time, synced with the program.

In another demonstration, Microsoft showed a new version of its Internet Explorer Web browser for Xbox 360, and how that browser can be controlled by a smartphone, like Apple's iPhone. Calling the smartphone "the world's best remote control," Microsoft showed how SmartGlass will allow users to take control of their Xbox and browse the Web.

SmartGlass functionality will also enhance games such as "Madden NFL" from EA Sports. One video showed an iPad-like tablet being used to select plays and even draw up new ones that can be utilized in the game on Xbox 360.

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Microsoft's Xbox SmartGlass can also be used much like Apple's AirPlay feature built into iOS, which allows users to stream content from their iPhone or iPad to an Apple TV set-top box. With SmartGlass, users will be able to stream movies from an iPhone or iPad to their Xbox 360, presumably using a Microsoft-built iOS application. The same functionality will also be available on Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8.

Microsoft also on Monday showed off a new version of the Nike+ fitness application, built for its Kinect motion control accessory. Nike has had a partnership with Apple for its Nike+ fitness applications on iPod and iPhone for years.
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This is actually pretty cool. Microsoft must have hired someone with a bit of creativity.
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I was just discussing the evolution of AirPlay just last week. I hope Apple introduces more APIs that make it easier and more seamless for app developers to integrate across multiple screens.


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This is actually pretty cool. Microsoft must have hired someone with a bit of creativity.
They are doing some great stuff. While I think it was foolish of them to create WinPh7 with WinCE just to move to the NT foundation for WinPh8 thus destroying their development base but I am impressed that they are able to finally follow Apple in that regard.

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They are doing some great stuff. While I think it was foolish of them to create WinPh7 with WinCE just to move to the NT foundation for WinPh8 thus destroying their development base but I am impressed that they are able to finally follow Apple in that regard.

 

They are definitely doing a lot of revamping of platforms and making it even more complimentary rather than competitive products. Xbox 3560 is the horse that they're going to ride into the horizon and Windows 8 riding on its laurels bringing the experience to all desktops, phones, tablets and other similar devices. I'm very happy for Microsoft!.

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If apple approves this app.  It took them forever to approve Google Voice.  They can delay this long enough to straighten out their airplay strategy.

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This is why the Xbox is at the heap of the console market, and this is why they arent in a rush to pump out a new system. 

 

If Apple ever wanted to be in the console market, they would have some massive work cut out for them. 

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MS just found a way to make people use Bing on their android phones

 

Larry must be livid right now

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Airplay itself a clone of DNLA

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If apple approves this app.  It took them forever to approve Google Voice.  They can delay this long enough to straighten out their airplay strategy.

 

Where's your evidence that this was done with malicious intent?

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This is actually pretty cool. Microsoft must have hired someone with a bit of creativity.

Agreed the concept is cool, but I seriously doubt the functionality and execution will live up to a streamline apple "air play" like experience.

You probable have to have the Microsoft app installed on all devices and running the programs or movies you like.

I hope it does work, but if it it isn't a smooth easy interface that "just works" then its not really doing justice to the concept.

I have a feeling it will work flawlessly with Microsoft products and devices but will be a bit of a hassle on other companies devices.

But it's a step in the right direction and I commend them for putting forth this effort.

We all long for the day where it doesn't matter what product you own, they will all work and communicate seamlessly together.
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Airplay itself a clone of DNLA

Minus the hassles of DLNA. I've gotten AirPlay to work pretty quickly. The process to get DLNA working is longer.
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This is actually pretty cool. Microsoft must have hired someone with a bit of creativity.

 

Agreed - I would assume that a lot of people have a mix of technologies in their homes.  I know I have an XBOX, a Windows Home Server and then Apple products like an IPad, Apple TV and a couple of MacBooks.  It'd be nice to have the content available on all devices rather than be locked down to Apple or M$.

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Actually there have always been a lot of creative, open-minded, and revolutionary projects at Microsoft.  I have a brother-in-law that has worked at Microsoft in Redmond for the past 15 some-odd years, and periodically he's taken me into his project lab to show some of the things they're working on (obviously nothing secret enough he'd get fired for bringing me in).  The problem has never been innovation or creativity ... the REAL problem with Microsoft has always been the upper management.  He'd bring me in, and show me all this cool stuff they were working on, and it would just blow me away.  "Why isn't Microsoft releasing this stuff!?!" I'd ask him.  Believe you me ... it has driven my brother-in-law CRAZY over the years ... they work on a project, get everything worked out (for the most part), everyone is excited about it, then they present it to the upper management and it gets shot down.  Of course, what usually happens is some other company either concurrently, or at a later date, develops something similar and releases it ... usually making quite a bit of money in the process.  

 

Personally, I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I think most of that has to do with their corporate culture and how that influences their products ... I will admit, however, Microsoft is sitting on a treasure trove of talent and skill, and that if they got the right person in there to steer things in the right direction they could really start tearing things up.  The chances of that happening though ... not very likely ... at least as long a Balmer and most of the current senior management remains where it is.  

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"Microsoft also on Monday showed off a new version of the Nike+ fitness application, built for its Kinect motion control accessory. Nike has had a partnership with Apple for its Nike+ fitness applications on iPod and iPhone for years."

 

You get a chip for your shoe, and for the Kinect, a reeealy long cord, and then you run...

 

It's indeed "cool for Microsoft".  Ticking through the list of what this can do, it's a lot of Sea Monkeys.  ABC already has apps that sync with broadcast content, and the iPhone is already a nifty remote for lotsa things.  And they are following AirPlay well.  The thing their ecosystem has that Apple doesn't (now where did I put that Pippin...) is a dedicated game console, which may or may not be the way to continue, given how good a lot of other things are now at playing impressive games.  

 

I wish them luck.  But "SmartGlass"?  What were the rejected brands?

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"Microsoft also on Monday showed off a new version of the Nike+ fitness application, built for its Kinect motion control accessory. Nike has had a partnership with Apple for its Nike+ fitness applications on iPod and iPhone for years."

 

You get a chip for your shoe, and for the Kinect, a reeealy long cord, and then you run...

 

It's indeed "cool for Microsoft".  Ticking through the list of what this can do, it's a lot of Sea Monkeys.  ABC already has apps that sync with broadcast content, and the iPhone is already a nifty remote for lotsa things.  And they are following AirPlay well.  The thing their ecosystem has that Apple doesn't (now where did I put that Pippin...) is a dedicated game console, which may or may not be the way to continue, given how good a lot of other things are now at playing impressive games.  

 

I wish them luck.  But "SmartGlass"?  What were the rejected brands?

its not the console but the backend cloud behind it. Microsoft has been building x-box live for over 10 years now

 

hardware a lot more powerful than the x-box is cheap now, but no one has the infrastructure to deliver services like this

 

if this takes off it will add to the commoditization of smartphones that is already starting to happen

 

this is bad for google and bad for apple

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AirPlay in iOS already lets you do that second screen scenario that Microsoft described.  You can stream video from the iPad to an HDTV while the iPad screen is still available for additional content/controls/whatever.

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If apple approves this app.  It took them forever to approve Google Voice.  They can delay this long enough to straighten out their airplay strategy.

 

Google Voice had carrier concerns in it that mucked it up. This won't.

 

As for Apple's Airplay strategy, they won't change it because of this. They aren't about chasing after what the other boys are doing. They work on their own time tablet and release when they feel the time is right. Not to beat the other kids to the game. 

 

Who knows what Apple is releasing with iOS 6 or how it will compare to this whole Smart Glass gig. But some of the features they include can already be used in some AirPlay enhanced apps or even without it. I remember Grey's Anatomy had a companion app like 2 years ago that listened for cues (either in the audio or some secondary 'invisible' track) from the live feed for the same sorts of tricks. Games like Real Racing HD already put the maps on your iPad and the first person view on your TV via Airplay. etc. Begs the question where did Microsoft take their cues. 

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I was just discussing the evolution of AirPlay just last week. I hope Apple introduces more APIs that make it easier and more seamless for app developers to integrate across multiple screens.
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They are doing some great stuff. While I think it was foolish of them to create WinPh7 with WinCE just to move to the NT foundation for WinPh8 thus destroying their development base but I am impressed that they are able to finally follow Apple in that regard.

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Where's your evidence that this was done with malicious intent?

 

presumably in the same place as your evidence that it wasn't

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presumably in the same place as your evidence that it wasn't

 

Innocent until proven guilty. You have to prove Apple purposely withheld the app. I don't have to prove diddly.

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if this takes off it will add to the commoditization of smartphones that is already starting to happen

 

this is bad for google and bad for apple

 

For Android tabs, yes, for Apple, not so much.  Win Phone 8 and RT aren't going to be a sales threat to iOS for at least years (if ever).

 

Along with MS' forthcoming Office Apps for iPad and other signals emanating from Redmond, this is another signal that MS - as (primarily) a SOFTWARE company is saying, "where we can't beat 'em, we'll join 'em" (and make money on apps plus leverage the platforms where we're leaders, e.g., XBox, Office and corporate serving/communications, e.g., Exchange).  

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oh, please. DLNA is totally lame compared to AirPlay.

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oh, please. DLNA is totally lame compared to AirPlay.

sorry. meant as reply to #8 above. this new AI forum setup is backwards. "reply" does not = actually reply.

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sorry. meant as reply to #8 above. this new AI forum setup is backwards. "reply" does not = actually reply.

and you can't edit either!

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MS is admitting it has no complete Windows ecosystem yet, so it has to leverage the much much bigger iOS and Android installed base to make XBox a contender in real life.

 

essentially, it's a software dongle. load an XBox app, and the use a second MS iOS/Android app to control it. it's hardly a new idea. lots of other devices are doing the same thing in one way or another with special iOS/Android UI apps for them. like the Xfinity app, for good example.

 

iPhone/touch/iPad users will certainly still find AirPlay + iOS apps + $99 Apple TV a much easier "just works" arrangement. only reason to use the XBox instead is if you are already heavily into it and want to use an XBox app that has no iOS version (very few certainly, since there are far more iOS apps!). that might be a few particular games, but not the unique Kinect ones. and certainly not a mere browser.

 

Android tho might be ripe for MS' picking. Google TV isn't quite there - yet. but maybe by the time Smartglass is actually released, it will be.

 

we know already Mountain Lion will bring Screen Mirroring to the desktop. what else Apple intends to expand AirPlay integration we will see next week.

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we know already Mountain Lion will bring Screen Mirroring to the desktop. what else Apple intends to expand AirPlay integration we will see next week.

I've been disappointed with ML's AirPlay features. There is no way to send a Safari video to the AppleTV. There is no way to mirror your desktop to the Apple TV. The only app I've seen AirPlay enabled is QuickTime X.

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and you can't edit either!

You can edit your posts. It's the icon with the pencil in it just to the left of the icon with the flag in it at the lower-left corner of your posts.


They do need to get rid of the Reply button in every post, as well as less critical things like the Flag icon for one's posts.

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Too late, I was going mad trying to stream and transfer content between Mac, iOS and Xbox360. Just got an AppleTV instead.

 

As Liam Neeson said in a famous role, "Whatever your original intentions were, you have become, truly lost..."

 

That about sums up Microsoft. SmartGlass? I thought it was a new touchscreen technology for smartphones.

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Minus the hassles of DLNA. I've gotten AirPlay to work pretty quickly. The process to get DLNA working is longer.

 

Yes, because Apple decided to create their own proprietary version, you have to find a third party program to add DLNA support to the Mac platform. After that, it was pretty much zero work to get my PS3 to connect to the iMac.

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They do need to get rid of the Reply button in every post, as well as less critical things like the Flag icon for one's posts.

 

I want the reply button gone, because it does absolutely nothing, the "start a new thread" button gone, because who's the idiot who thought THAT was a good idea, and the margins of every single box on the screen tightened up. For starters.

 

But the self-report button should stay (not that I think they can even get rid of it, anyway), in case you do accidentally post twice. You can self-report and it can be deleted.

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I want the reply button gone, because it does absolutely nothing, the "start a new thread" button gone, because who's the idiot who thought THAT was a good idea, and the margins of every single box on the screen tightened up. For starters.

But the self-report button should stay (not that I think they can even get rid of it, anyway), in case you do accidentally post twice. You can self-report and it can be deleted.

I agree with your comment about the self reply button but I'd ideally like the option to delete my own post within x seconds after posting it.

Going back to the Reply button it's an issue because many posters are not noticing (or understanding) that they are not replying to a particular post despite having clicked the logical REply button from within the post. It's making it hard to follow threads.

PS: I'd also like the email notifications to be more simple. Currently there are three links that are sending you to the same location. Two of them are buttons that are stating diffferent things but they do the same thing. There is even the AppleInsider logo that will send you to the top tier of the forum for no valid reason if you accidentally tap with it your finger in your iPhone Mail app.

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PPS: I'd also like the AI logo in the forum to send my back to www.appleinsider.com, not forums.appleinsider.com.

PPPS: All that said, there are many aspects of the forum I do like. The ability to upload images from your machine is nice.

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Who me, did I suggest malice?  Aww shucks.  Apple never does anything out of their own (or their partner's) self interest.  Leaving the hive now.

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Who me, did I suggest malice?  Aww shucks.  Apple never does anything out of their own (or their partner's) self interest.  Leaving the hive now.

 

Bye! Don't let the door hit you where the FUD should have stopped.

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All valid points on the new software from Huddler. I could add a small list of things but believe the developers are full aware of all the issues. One that still annoys me is iOS compatibility; sometimes tapping on reply doesn't work, or you need to tap twice. I also cannot copy text, or select it and choose the 'Define' option.

But I don't think AI reads threads, I might need to send it via email.
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Boy, there are some pretty bitter people here.  Why is that?  Why do they attack people they don't know.  It's very rude, ignorant and immature.

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Listen in everyone, I have it on good authority that in the medium term Apple will buy Facebook and Mark Z will become The 21st century heir to Steve Jobs. Apple need someone as hungry and foolish as Mark Z is to what Steve Jobs was. Tim Cook will continue to focus the business while Mark Z will be in charge of new innovations. Anyway for those invited, see you next week at WWDC
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Boy, there are some pretty bitter people here.  Why is that?  Why do they attack people they don't know.  It's very rude, ignorant and immature.

 

I thought you were leaving? lol.gif

 

You've stated something more than just an opinion without providing any evidence or proof. It's not unreasonable for us to question it. It's also completely off-topic, so if you want to reopen the discussion on why Apple was blocking Google Voice, feel free to start your own thread. Only you have something previously unknown that has come to light, of course.

 

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Listen in everyone, I have it on good authority that in the medium term Apple will buy Facebook and Mark Z will become The 21st century heir to Steve Jobs. Apple need someone as hungry and foolish as Mark Z is to what Steve Jobs was. Tim Cook will continue to focus the business while Mark Z will be in charge of new innovations. Anyway for those invited, see you next week at WWDC

 

You need to stop this now.

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You've stated something more than just an opinion without providing any evidence or proof.

 

From TechCrunch - June 27th 2009:

 

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Earlier today we learned that Apple had begun to pull all Google Voice-enabled applications from the App Store, citing the fact that they “duplicate features that come with the iPhone”. Now comes even worse news: we’ve learned that Apple has blocked Google’s official Google Voice application itself from the App Store.

 

From CNET - July 28th 2009:

 

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There were a scattering of reports on Monday, and then a Google spokesperson confirmed it: "Apple did not approve the Google Voice application we submitted six weeks ago to the Apple App Store. We will continue to work to bring our services to iPhone users--for example, by taking advantage of advances in mobile browsers."

 

From Softpedia - August 1st 2009:  

 

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Apple has recently blocked Google's Google Voice application from making it into its App Store, while also removing third-party applications related to the service, something that wasn't received too well by iPhone developers, it seems. Following Apple's move, FCC started an investigation on the matter, and asked Apple to explain the circumstances under which it rejected the application, while also petitioning AT&T and Google for more information on the issue.

 

 

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It's also completely off-topic, so if you want to reopen the discussion on why Apple was blocking Google Voice, feel free to start your own thread.

I was being sarcastic and you decided to make it into something more.  But with all sarcasm is truth and I don't think it was off-topic - even though you disagree with the premise.  The notion that Apple might delay an application that threatens them (or their strategic partner(s)) is not irrational and well documented.

 

I should have taken this to heart...

 

...before posting here.

 

*sigh*

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From TechCrunch - June 27th 2009:

From CNET - July 28th 2009:

From Softpedia - August 1st 2009:  

 

None of those says anything about malicious intent.

 

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I was being sarcastic and you decided to make it into something more.

 

No, you were being purposely inflammatory and I decided to be the quick foaming action.

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You said something about malicious intent.  Why does it matter?  I don't really care about any of this.  I was being sarcastic.  I'm not invested in any of it.  What is the problem?  This is not a zero sum game. It's an open forum where anyone can say whatever they want. 

 

I can go on any post and write whatever I want as long as I don't intentionally offend anyone.  You seem to be intent on policing other people's thoughts.

 

You're just upset that I backed-up my point.  Let's just agree to disagree.  It was SARCASM.  

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