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Samsung is set to announce that it will be joining the Linux Foundation at the "Platinum" level, which is the highest tier of membership and carries a roughly $500,000 entry fee.

Update: Business Insider incorrectly reported the membership fee as $500 million in its original article which has since been updated. The Linux Foundation contacted AppleInsider and notes the actual price of Platinum membership is $500,000 per year.

Samsung's half-million dollar investment will give the company a seat on the foundation's board and allow it greater oversight of upcoming versions of the Linux platform including the Tizen mobile operating system, reports Business Insider.

The new stake in Linux as well as the company's substantial backing of Tizen lends itself nicely to a theoretical push toward a true Samsung-backed iOS competitor and alternative to Google's Android, which itself is based on the open-source platform.

"Having just recently beat out Nokia to become the world's largest maker of mobile phones, this announcement also makes it clear how Samsung will now try to attack Apple's position with both the Linux-based Android and Tizen platforms," a Linux Foundation spokesperson said.

Samsung recently overtook Apple to become the world's number one smartphone maker and was pegged as the top overall mobile phone vendor in March. With its overwhelming market share, the South Korean company could be looking to leverage its momentum and take Apple head-on with a more appealing alternative to iOS.

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Tizen mobile OS running on a Samsung development unit. | Source: TizenTalk.com


Since Apple launched the first iPhone in 2007 smartphones have become an increasingly popular option for wireless customers and the introduction of the market-leading Android OS has further expanded the sector.

Recent analysis showed a slight dip in Android uptake over the last month while Apple's iPhone continued to grow during the same sequential period. While it is too early to deduce that demand for Google's OS is waning, it seems that Samsung is hedging its bets and will be investing more heavily in the research and development of Tizen.

With support from the Linux Foundation's 800 companies and 8,000 developers, including fellow Platinum members IBM, Oracle, Intel, Fujitsu and Qualcomm Innovation Center along with substantial manufacturing faculties, Samsung is perhaps the only OEM that can take a real swipe at Apple's iOS.

Wireless heavyweight Nokia's Symbian fell by the wayside as iOS and Android took control of the smartphone market, and the company's partnership with Microsoft to use the Windows Phone platform is unlikely to cause serious disruption in the mobile space. RIM is also seen as a non-factor as the once-mighty BlackBerry faces obsolescence in light of recent corporate upheaval and stock drops.

Samsung has yet to divulge what it plans to do with its newly-obtained position, but the company's collaboration with Intel and others over the thus far nascent Tizen is a good indicator to what lies ahead.
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They really should save their money. Why should Apple keep funding the enemy?

 

Also, AI made a major mistake in the title... It's 1/2 million dollars, NOT $500 MILLION!


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I like the idea.  But like Tallest Skill.  Good Luck.

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So is that four different OSs that Samsung is pushing? That seems like a strategy that will kill them. They have pushed Android so long that people associate them with it-- when they need to buy a new phone and the Samsung phone they want runs Bada, WinMo, or Tizen... are they going to look at a competitor?

They should push something, but I would imagine they would be much better served with a BSD license that they can control and not release back to their competitors.
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Also, AI made a major mistake in the title... It's 1/2 million dollars, NOT $500 MILLION!

I think Dr. Evil was providing the information to the author. He sometimes screws up like that.

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Where exactly does that $500M go?    Linus Torvalds?   Lawyers?    

 

The Linux Foundation is a nonprofit consortium dedicated to fostering the growth of Linux. Seems like some sort of marketing / public image move by Samsung to make it look like they are a benevolent concerned organization.

 

I wonder how much they have paid lawyers fighting Apple?  

 

$500M would feed a lot of starving kids, or buy a lot of razors for Linux programmers.

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So is that four different OSs that Samsung is pushing? That seems like a strategy that will kill them. They have pushed Android so long that people associate them with it-- when they need to buy a new phone and the Samsung phone they want runs Bada, WinMo, or Tizen... are they going to look at a competitor?
They should push something, but I would imagine they would be much better served with a BSD license that they can control and not release back to their competitors.

If you never update or patch them after you release them, you can push a whole lot of OSs.    Can we get CP/M on a tablet please?

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They really should save their money. Why should Apple keep funding the enemy?

 

Also, AI made a major mistake in the title... It's 1/2 million dollars, NOT $500 MILLION!!!

 

Yeah, please fix that title.  Before we know it, the WSJ will be projecting lower Samsung earnings BECAUSE of Linux, and running articles on why Linux is bad for business.

 

Still, $500K for a major player such as Samsung is nothing.

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They could just start with FreeBSD and Mach...

 

And what can Linux do that Android could not against iOS?  This isn't a play against Apple.  Tizen isn't going to take share away from iOS, it's only going to take share away from Android...if it does even that.  The only way to sell Linux is to essentially hide it like Google does.

 

Good lord, what a colossal waste of money.

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Where exactly does that $500M go?    Linus Torvalds?   Lawyers?    

 

The Linux Foundation is a nonprofit consortium dedicated to fostering the growth of Linux. Seems like some sort of marketing / public image move by Samsung to make it look like they are a benevolent concerned organization.

 

I wonder how much they have paid lawyers fighting Apple?  

 

$500M would feed a lot of starving kids, or buy a lot of razors for Linux programmers.

 

It's half a mil... 1,000x less!

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They could just start with FreeBSD and Mach...

 

And what can Linux do that Android could not against iOS?  This isn't a play against Apple.  Tizen isn't going to take share away from iOS, it's only going to take share away from Android...if it does even that.  The only way to sell Linux is to essentially hide it like Google does.

 

Good lord, what a colossal waste of money.

 

I'll keep saying this until they fix it or I give up... IT'S NOT HALF A BILLION! IT'S 1/2 A MILLION!

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Boy, 500 billion dollars is a lot just to get a seat on the Linux Foundation board!

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They could just start with FreeBSD and Mach...

 

And what can Linux do that Android could not against iOS?

 

With luck create a mobile operating system that works as well as iOS must to be as popular as it is 

 

Which is actually part of the joke. If Google hadn't let everyone and their uncle mess with the code, Android might be that OS. But they did and its not. And if this Linux based OS is treated the same way it likely won't be either. 

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post #15 of 56

The title should read 

 

"Samsung invests $500K in Linux Foundation to battle Android."

 

I think Samsung will abandon Android since Google is also now in the smartphone hardware business.  Samsung will copy Apple and develop its own smartphone OS.

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1/2 a million isn't enough to pay for lunch.  either it's a mistake or it's not worth the

paper its written on.

 

linux surely hasn't taken over the world with a who's who bunch of partners.

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Apologies. Business Insider first reported the fee as $500M, however it has since updated that number to $500,000. The change is reflected in the AI article.

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Boy, 500 billion dollars is a lot just to get a seat on the Linux Foundation board!
Yeah wow... half a trillion!

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Boy, 500 billion dollars is a lot just to get a seat on the Linux Foundation board!

It's not $500 BILLION.... it's only a half trillion.

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So is that four different OSs that Samsung is pushing? That seems like a strategy that will kill them. They have pushed Android so long that people associate them with it-- when they need to buy a new phone and the Samsung phone they want runs Bada, WinMo, or Tizen... are they going to look at a competitor?
They should push something, but I would imagine they would be much better served with a BSD license that they can control and not release back to their competitors.

Yep. Samsung still hasn't figured out how to focus. And we thought Android fragmentation was bad.....

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The title should read 

"Samsung invests $500K in Linux Foundation to battle Android."

I think Samsung will abandon Android since Google is also now in the smartphone hardware business.  Samsung will copy Apple and develop its own smartphone OS.

That's entirely possible. Smartphone manufacturers must be very nervous now that Google is competing with them.
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Uh oh.  So now Samsung is betting not only with Windows and Android, but with their own flavor of Linux?  I they see the writing on the wall.  This might Samsung's only way to go after to iOS because  they probably know that Google may not have a very good road map and it is a fragmented platform and that Windows won't be anything that will go against iOS, so they develop their own OS.  Talk about confusing everyone.  

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It's not $500 BILLION.... it's only a half trillion.

 

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Since Android uses the Linux kernel this could be a move by Samsung to have a greater say how Android develops.

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How is this bad for Apple? Now bad for Google and Microsoft I'd understand.
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a) Tizen is not just an operating system for smart phones and tablets. From tizen.org: "Tizen is an open source, standards-based software platform supported by leading mobile operators, device manufacturers, and silicon suppliers for multiple device categories, including smartphones, tablets, netbooks, in-vehicle infotainment devices, smart TVs, and more."

 

b) In January Forbes reported "Samsung Merging Its Bada OS With Intel-Backed Tizen Project". This was later denied by Samsung, saying that they were primarily working with Intel to get Bada applications to run on Tizen.

 

This would allow Samsung to use a unified platform for e.g. their TV sets, feature phones and smart phones. The low end phones would stick with Bada, which has more moderate system requirements than Android or Tizen, but provide Bada developers with the option to run their apps on smart phones as well and not being limited to just Samsung devices. Tizen for TVs would not be bound by the restrictions Google has introduced with Android 4, therefore allowing Samsung to tweak it any way they want.

 

All these are good reasons to invest in Tizen/Linux and more a platform consolidation move than the attempt to establish another platform. Looks like a smart move to me.

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I think Dr. Evil was providing the information to the author. He sometimes screws up like that.

 

DO NOT!

 

At least throw me a frickin' bone people...

 

 

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Tallest Skill put it best.
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I think Samsung is feeling a little left out these days. Nokia has the inside track with Microsoft. Motorola has the inside track with Google(but who knows if they will be able to put it to good use).  Samsung is looking for something to call their own.

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They could just start with FreeBSD and Mach...

 

And what can Linux do that Android could not against iOS?  This isn't a play against Apple.  Tizen isn't going to take share away from iOS, it's only going to take share away from Android...if it does even that.  The only way to sell Linux is to essentially hide it like Google does.

 

Good lord, what a colossal waste of money.

 

Android is Linux with Java.

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oh crap. this constant AI "Apple vs. X" meme for whatever happens is just - well, i don't know whether to call it conceit or paranoia. you know, sometimes things just really aren't about Apple at all. yes, there is more to the tech world than just Apple.

 

the single party most obviously threatened, if any, by Samsung's growing interest in Linux would be - of course - Google! duh! like maybe Samsung is dead serious, you know, about developing its own Linux-based OS as an ALTERNATIVE TO DEPENDING ON ANDROID! gee, what a new idea (not). like there is only about a dozen good reasons ... let's start with Motorola, and then the lawsuits, and who controls the monetized ecosystem, and well ... add you own.

 

AI, you need some therapy.

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Also, AI made a major mistake in the title... It's 1/2 million dollars, NOT $500 MILLION!

Typical Dr. Evil mistake...

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... All these are good reasons to invest in Tizen/Linux and more a platform consolidation move than the attempt to establish another platform. Looks like a smart move to me.

 

Right. Because 20 years of Linux's absolute failure on the desktop will obviously lead to success in mobile?  

 

This fits Einstein's definition of insanity rather well.  :)

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Android is Linux with Java.

 

Yes, and I pointed out that Google hides that is linux by assiduously avoiding mentioning it in their product literature.

 

The thing is that the kernel isn't as important as the APIs layered on top of it. Android's is so-so.  iOS is much better.  Bada I've never looked at.  Most FOSS frameworks tend to suck suffering from lack of documentation or excessive changes and instability from version to version because the devs felt like it.  Even linux which lacks a stable ABI.

 

The kicker though is that if they want to do deep Bada integration with the kernel they have to release the results to everyone under GPL.  There's no real competitive advantage there.  Hence the comment about Mach and FreeBSD.

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Looks like Samsung is going to use every tool and way possible to dethrone Apple.  Its really a product war.

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Uh oh.  So now Samsung is betting not only with Windows and Android, but with their own flavor of Linux?  I they see the writing on the wall.  This might Samsung's only way to go after to iOS because  they probably know that Google may not have a very good road map and it is a fragmented platform and that Windows won't be anything that will go against iOS, so they develop their own OS.  Talk about confusing everyone.  

This way they have THREE ecosystems to build to support their phones, since there doesn't yet exist ONE that works on the all the screen sizes that Samsung alone has pushed out the door.

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Yes, and I pointed out that Google hides that is linux by assiduously avoiding mentioning it in their product literature.

 

The thing is that the kernel isn't as important as the APIs layered on top of it. Android's is so-so.  iOS is much better.  Bada I've never looked at.  Most FOSS frameworks tend to suck suffering from lack of documentation or excessive changes and instability from version to version because the devs felt like it.  Even linux which lacks a stable ABI.

 

The kicker though is that if they want to do deep Bada integration with the kernel they have to release the results to everyone under GPL.  There's no real competitive advantage there.  Hence the comment about Mach and FreeBSD.

 

Actually its not the kernel or the APIs layered on top, just like it's not the number of cores or RAM or the clock speed. It's the ecosystem the device swims in. The more Samsung fractures their effort over multiple OSs and screen sizes, the harder it will be to build an ecosystem to make their crap more attractive. In addition nothing they make now is designed to work together. The best thing they have going is that Apple only releases ONE model of phone and ONE model of tablet per year, while the Samsung factory shits out a new something-or-other every month. Oh look! A new Samsung shiney!

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Yep! Why don't we bring back DOS and yeah what about the WebOS, Maybe Symbian too! Samsung is just lost! Sometime you just wonder how some execs makes decisions.
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It's not $500 BILLION.... it's only a half trillion.

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Yes, and I pointed out that Google hides that is linux by assiduously avoiding mentioning it in their product literature.

 

The thing is that the kernel isn't as important as the APIs layered on top of it. Android's is so-so.  iOS is much better.  Bada I've never looked at.  Most FOSS frameworks tend to suck suffering from lack of documentation or excessive changes and instability from version to version because the devs felt like it.  Even linux which lacks a stable ABI.

 

The kicker though is that if they want to do deep Bada integration with the kernel they have to release the results to everyone under GPL.  There's no real competitive advantage there.  Hence the comment about Mach and FreeBSD.

 

Mach and FreeBSD are two different beasts. If they want to use Mach from the GPL Project, best of luck to them. The hurd is a real turd.

 

FreeBSD makes sense, but then they will be moving more to a C/C++ Model than the OpenJDK with all the Oracle issues currently being hashed out in the courts with Android's JVM.

 

I agree the Linux ABI instability will continue to be an ongoing issue and with Linux already absorbing more than $10 Billion in development it is clear that $500 Million more won't convince Linus and his Patent control of Linux to finally produce a stable ABI.

 

Moving to FreeBSD or a derivative of it that will work on Embedded Systems will also have the advantage of LLVM/Clang 3.x ready to go with Version 10 and newer, not to mention working on ARM.

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Couple of points I'd like to make…

  1. To paraphrase Steve Jobs, Samsung doesn't have to lose for Apple to win.
  2. I suspect that Tizen may be a perfect match for the Galaxy S3 -- designed by lawyers to avoid patent litigation.
  3. Imagine that Samsung accelerates the development of Tizen and makes it available to other handset manufacturers for free. Could there follow a massive abandonment of Android by Asian handset makers (especially China) who might perceive Tizen as an Asian OS? In a "worst case" situation, this happens, Nokia sticks with Windows Phone, and Android ends up only on Motoroola. Probably not but its a thought.

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