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Apple is likely to increase the size of the display on its next iPhone to 4.08 inches, with a resolution of 1,136 x 640 pixels and a ratio of 16:9, according to one analyst with a strong track record.

KGI analyst Mingchi Kuo, known for having sources deep within Apple's supply chain, expects Apple to release a taller iPhone later this year that will switch from a 3.5-inch 4:3 display to a 4-inch 16:9 screen, according to a research note obtained by AppleInsider.

"We expect iPhone 5 to feature a 4.08-inch in-cell IPS panel screen with a display resolution of 1,136 x 640 and 500-nit brightness," Kuo wrote.

The analyst noted that the above specs would represent a valid compromise of Apple's values of single-handed operability, backwards compatibility with iPhone apps, battery life and an improved user experience derived from having a larger screen.

He speculated that Apple has ruled out displays above 4.3 inches because the resulting devices would be difficult to operate with one hand. His research also suggests that the there is an inflection point at 4.3-inches where larger screen sizes require "visibly larger" battery capacity.

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Citing an earlier report where he discussed Apple's rumored plans to make the next iPhone thinner, Kuo said Apple will likely keep the battery capacity of the sixth-generation iPhone at around 1,400mAh, similar to the current-generation's capacity.

Lengthening the screen without making it wider would serve more than just an ergonomic purpose. Kuo believes the unchanged width would save on app redevelopment costs because legacy apps could simply be letterboxed. The 16:9 resolution would provide more viewing space while typing in portrait mode and would more naturally display films in landscape mode. The analyst also claimed that a longer iPhone would bring the speaker close to users' ears and the receiver closer to their mouths.

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Kuo's analysis falls in line with several other similar reports that have suggested Apple may increase the height of the iPhone display without increasing the width.

The analyst estimated that the larger screen will help spur sales of the new iPhone when it arrives. He expects 65-70 million next-generation iPhone units to be sold in 2012.

Apple's next iPhone is widely expected to arrive this fall, though there is some disagreement about whether it will come in September or October. Scattered reports have suggested that Apple's next handset could make the leap to LTE, while others believe the device will sport a new design with an aluminum back.
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I don't believe it.

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post #3 of 72

The iPhone 4 is already 16:9 or very close to it, while the iPad is 4:3.

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If this is true, this will be a very stupid move. I fancy larger screens with the old format. I have used Samsung Galaxy S series and I have no problem using them with one hand.

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The iPhone 4 is already 16:9 or very close to it, while the iPad is 4:3.

 Close to it, but not exactly it. They have obviously seen the galaxy s and tab with the 16:9 ration and decided if Samsung have it we want it too.

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No thanks. At least they could narrow the top/bottom bevel rather than make the phone longer! It all sounds clumsy and un-Apple like to me.

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Typical.

 

We say "bigger," they hear "longer."

 

I'm not watching Pirates of the Caribbean on my phone, I'm viewing websites. Wider is better, not longer.

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Why the extra 176 horizontal pixels? Is it for a permanent notification bar? Otherwise apps need to be letterboxed, or re-written. The latter I don't believe will happen. And if they change the AR, could they at least make the CCD the same as the screen. Right now it's difficult to compose a picture without seeing the top of the picture as the screen cuts it off.
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...expects Apple to release a taller iPhone later this year that will switch from a 3.5-inch 4:3 display...
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The iPhone 4 is already 16:9 or very close to it, while the iPad is 4:3.
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Close to it, but not exactly it. They have obviously seen the galaxy s and tab with the 16:9 ration and decided if Samsung have it we want it too.

The iPhone has always been 3:2

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I don't find this at all plausible.  Some rumor monger seems to be trying to compensate for something.

 
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Oh but wait.  It's an iPhone 6.  We have it on reliable source that it will be called iPhone 6.  NOT!!!!!!!!!!!  Remember...  You know who you are.  You said the next iPhone will be called iPhone 6. Shall I copy and paste your quote?

 

As for the screen?  I won't believe it till I see it.  Lets say maybe Monday?

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A stretch iPhone 4S makes sense to me. When I think of a bigger screen (in any direction) and LTE, I think battery life. The iPhone's rectangular shape, albeit with rounded corners, seems an ideal compromise between compact size, minimalist style, and maximum internal room for the largest battery possible. I don't think Apple is going the iPhone's basic look unless there is a very, very, very good reason. One has only to look at Apple's other products to see how long they stick to one style, e.g. MacBook Pro.

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post #13 of 72
My guess would be an edge to edge screen, which fits into the current width of the phone. Anyway last year the talk was all about an edge to edge screen might happen this year lol.gif 
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Why all the negativity? This always happens before it comes out, then it's all OOh and Aahh afterwards.

 

To me it makes sense. Apple has only one form factor to please the whole crowd, the whole world of small and large people, teens and grown ups. They all have to be able to hold the phone in their hands. Same with the iPod touch. If they make it too wide, it will for the same money turn many people away saying it's too large for their hands, or too difficult to operate with one hand. Probably many more people will say this than the vocal group on the Internet that scream: I want bigger!

 

Samsung makes dozens of screen sizes, so let them make phones that are monsters. Plenty of monsters running around the world. For Apple it makes more sense to choose a size that will please the whole crowd, small and big at the same time.

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why not push in the extra pixels, and make it a 1280x720?

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Oh but wait.  It's an iPhone 6.  We have it on reliable source that it will be called iPhone 6.  NOT!!!!!!!!!!!  Remember...  You know who you are.  You said the next iPhone will be called iPhone 6. Shall I copy and paste your quote?

 

 

 

Nobody is forgetting that one in a hurry ;)

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First mistake was calling it the iPhone 5, lost my interest after that.
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why not push in the extra pixels, and make it a 1280x720?

Because then no app would run. iOS app layout are pixel precise. Android is not pixel precise, it simply rearranges elements to fit. Both systems have pro and cons. The pro on Apple is that the layout the developer makes is exactly what the user gets. Androids pro is that it can fit to any screen size. It all is about user experience in the end.

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No thanks. At least they could narrow the top/bottom bevel rather than make the phone longer! It all sounds clumsy and un-Apple like to me.

You need to open your mind a little bit. Making the iPhone slightly longer without adding significant width would drastically improve usability of the pocketable device. Don't get hung up on all the tweaking around aspect ratios. Instead think about how a wider screen is the best way for Apple to improve usability, especially in landscape mode.

I say this with great sincerity as I'm typing this response on my iPhone right now. The text in this edit pane is too small and the scrolling right and left a pain for editing and verification is a pain in the butt. The key here is how do you improve the users experience without turning iPhone into a huge brick, I don't know of a better solution than a wider screen.
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I can only guess that TallestSkill's head really exploded with the multiple references to "iPhone 5"! I'm interested in seeing the graphic he posts this time. The Morgan Freeman one from The Dark Knight was his best yet!

 

Ever since my commute time to work got reduced to a third of the original time, I have stopped watching movies on the iPhone. I use it mostly for music and, of course, calls. I have no opinion of the changes in the screen size, but I know that whatever the next model is, I'll be in "Shut up and take my money" mode when it is announced.

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why not push in the extra pixels, and make it a 1280x720?
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Because then no app would run. iOS app layout are pixel precise. Android is not pixel precise, it simply rearranges elements to fit. Both systems have pro and cons. The pro on Apple is that the layout the developer makes is exactly what the user gets. Androids pro is that it can fit to any screen size. It all is about user experience in the end.

I don't see where that is a show-stopper, if they keep legacy software displayed at 1:1, similar to the example mock-up in the article, it would have a thin windowboxing, similar to how iPhone apps on the iPad have pillar boxing or letter boxing. New and updated apps can add a layout profile for the new resolution to use the entire screen. This is all hypothetical though, I don't know what rumors to believe so I'm not going to believe any of it yet.
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First mistake was calling it the iPhone 5, lost my interest after that.


It will just be "the new iPhone"

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If its true I'm sure the changes are OS related. Can't imagine Apple just adding 1 more row of apps. The screen is always about the software. They won't change aspect ratio if its not because of the software.

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The screen size rumor is not really news since it's been floating for over two weeks now.  All this guy did was read a few blogs to gather this information.  I'm cool with the iPhone getting a little longer, but I don't see what it gains by doing so--other than being able to say the iPhone has a 4" screen.  Sure, text will be bigger in landscape mode, but I seldom read that way. 

 

I'm more curious about the design of the phone--ooh, and Siri's evolution.  The Leica style of the 4/4S is a bit long in the tooth.  Hopefully Apple will give us something fresh the next time around.

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I hope not.....looks too "feminine" to me.

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Many of you are thinking about it all wrong:

 

First, Apple is VERY focused on not changing the form factor or previous app compatability with future phones. That does not mean it will never change but simply that it won't change if it absolutely doesn't have to.

 

The existing form factor of the phone can likely easily accomodate a wider and taller 4"+/- screen.

 

Yes some of you may find phones larger to use with one hand (Apple's criterion for maximum screen and phone size) but remember that the phone has to accomodate those with small and large hands not just your hands. So, it's highly unlikely the phone size will change but if it does it will be only slighly in the unlikely case that Apple simply finds it cannot accomodate a 4" screen and the home button, earpiece, etc.

 

Both the screen width and height can change and still work with existing apps. Black bars would merely be provided both on the sides and top and bottom of the screen for apps that were not modified for the new screen size. So all existing apps would automatically and instantly work with the new screen size both if it was taller and wider. This again agrees with Apple's policy of making things easy for developers.

 

Aside from a slightly larger screen so that a slightly larger 16:9 aspect ratio can be the norm in the future for the iPhone, Apple is not focused on a larger form factor for the phone itself at all. They certainly are not losing sales because their form factor is not larger and it doesn't make sense to make it larger as the phone is extremely useable as it is. They are focused on increasing battery life, decreasing phone weight (within reason - too light a phone would not be good either although that concern likely won't be something they have to think about for quite some time given the increasing number of things they are packing into the phone and the fact that they'll always make the battery bigger and therefore heavier if they have the space), increasing camera quality and resolution, adding more wireless radios such as LTE, etc., adding NFC or a similar payment scheme in order to harvest more profits from transactions, improving audio quality and other functions that increase the usefulness and versatility of the phone.

 

As for when the new iPhone will be introduced, all this chatter about when it will be is useless as Apple doesn't even know at this time. It's always a moving target for them because it is so dependent on so many things that have to come together at the right time.

 

Oh and while I am at it. There will be no Apple HDTV as Apple cannot really add any value to the display electronics or display itself more so that any existing HDTV manufacturers. What there will be, if at all, is a device complementary to Apple TV which makes an HDTV easier to use. They won't sell both the HDTV (LOW margin) and the device (HIGH margin) if they can just sell the device itself and make a much higher overall profit margin and return on invested equity. Apple is also not interested in selling devices with extremely low replacement cycles (7 yrs +/1 for HDTV's vs 2 yrs +/- for what they currently sell). Apple doesn't have to produce an HDTV in order to facilitate this as all the functionality is in the software which would be in the device and that device would work in conjunction with any existing HDTV you have similar to the way Apple TV works now. Also, a lower ticket price (ie of the device vs the device as a part of the HDTV) will drive sales that are multiples higher than if the ticket price was mutiples higher. In addition, this device will work with any HDTV rather than only with or as a part of an Apple HDTV. Again, higher sales. My strong suspicion is that this device which will be complementary to the Apple TV is what people are wrongly thinking will be the iPad mini. Instead it will be a smaller display which you use with Apple TV to operate your existing HDTV, similar to the current Apple TV Remote App for the iPhone/iTouch. On a larger screen such as what people think will be the iPad Mini it will be much easier to use.


Edited by Apple II Plus - 6/6/12 at 6:02am
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A new analysis claims Apple will likely increase the size of the display on its next iPhone to 4.08 inches with a resolution of 1,136 x 640 pixels and a ratio of 16:9. .... 

 

I have to say that neither Kuo's report, nor Apple Insider's re-stating of the facts of it, really qualify as "analysis."  He is merely stating what we already assume in plain language.  

 

"Analysis" might be some kind of comparison to the current phone or to other phones or some kind of description of where he got the basic facts from and how he arrived at this conclusion.  Merely stating the rumour (again), is hardly "analysis."

post #28 of 72
I think a taller 4 inch screen is ugly. The best size screen I have used is the one on the nexus s 4g. Perfect balance IMO. I can operate it with one hand easily.
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A new analysis claims Apple will likely increase the size of the display on its next iPhone to 4.08 inches with a resolution of 1,136 x 640 pixels and a ratio of 16:9. ...

 

I know he discounts the parts leaks (although he doesn't say why), but those drawings of his don't match them very well. 

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I hope not.....looks too "feminine" to me.

 

Chest beating over the length of your phone sounds masculine. Put an image of a bulbous member on the lock screen if you need more.

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It will just be "the new iPhone"

 

Judging by what we've seen so far I think it will be called:

 

"iPhone HD Xtreeme Home Edition"

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If Apple is going to go to the trouble of using 1146x960 then why not just use the same displays they've been using since 2010 for the 6th gen iPhone? Going with a 4.08" 320 PPI display means they are using new panels. There has to be a good reason for them to invest in a new production when they have the 326 PPI panels already being made.

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Oh but wait.  It's an iPhone 6.  We have it on reliable source that it will be called iPhone 6.  NOT!!!!!!!!!!!  Remember...  You know who you are.  You said the next iPhone will be called iPhone 6. Shall I copy and paste your quote?
Are you claiming it will be called iPhone 5?

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why not push in the extra pixels, and make it a 1280x720?
What's the point of that? What does that specific resolution do to make the user experience better?

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post #33 of 72

hmmm

 

So android phones go for bigger screens..............apple goes for bigger screens.

Google does maps....apple does maps

google does voice actions......apple does siri

android does drop down notification......apple does drop down notifications

android does multi-tasking.......apple does multi-tasking

Samsung does rectangular TV with uncluttered front......apple does rectangular TV with uncluttered front (if iTV is true)

 

What's next? itube? imail? iface unlcok?

 

lol

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Because then no app would run. iOS app layout are pixel precise. Android is not pixel precise, it simply rearranges elements to fit. Both systems have pro and cons. The pro on Apple is that the layout the developer makes is exactly what the user gets. Androids pro is that it can fit to any screen size. It all is about user experience in the end.

 

No, iOS apps (the non-OpenGL game ones anyway) are POINT precise.  The layout is for 480x320 and that translates into however many pixels in the end device (1 for 3GS, 2x2 for retina).  

 

The rumored resolution in points is 573x320...meh.  Adding a whole new UI target for 93 points of additional space?

 

If I have to target both 480x320 and 573x320 I can target 480x320 for everything below the phone and any res and aspect ratio from the next phone forwards for more width as well as height.  Pillar boxing and letter boxing existing apps will be ugly regardless.

 

Or better yet a 1440 x 960 4.3" screen...still retina and we just need to update our art assets again.


Edited by nht - 6/6/12 at 7:33am
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 Close to it, but not exactly it. They have obviously seen the galaxy s and tab with the 16:9 ration and decided if Samsung have it we want it too.

 

Crap. You caught them. Whatever shall Apple do now that the cat is out of the bag.

 

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Oh but wait.  It's an iPhone 6.  We have it on reliable source that it will be called iPhone 6.  NOT!!!!!!!!!!!  Remember...  You know who you are.  You said the next iPhone will be called iPhone 6. Shall I copy and paste your quote?

 

No, I've never said that. I always say it won't be "iPhone 5". Not any specific name. The likelihood that it's "the new iPhone" is enormous now, however.

 

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As for the screen?  I won't believe it till I see it.  Lets say maybe Monday?

 

Are you honestly suggesting the next iPhone is coming out at WWDC?

 

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I can only guess that TallestSkill's head really exploded with the multiple references to "iPhone 5"! I'm interested in seeing the graphic he posts this time. The Morgan Freeman one from The Dark Knight was his best yet!

 

He's an analyst (strike one) that used the term 'iPhone 5' (strike seventy five, all future batters out, game called on account of a deluge of stupidity). Not much more needs said. lol.gif

 

I do, however, have an image reserved for if Apple does call it 'iPhone 5'. It's basically what my face will look like. I hope I never have to post it.

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Are you claiming it will be called iPhone 5?

 

The rumor says it will be called the iPhone 5.

 

Can't you see it!? Right there... in the rumor... iPhone 5!

 

Oh, wait...

 

[oh, good... TS finally replied. I thought this article was too much for him and he stroked out.]

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 Close to it, but not exactly it. They have obviously seen the galaxy s and tab with the 16:9 ration and decided if Samsung have it we want it too.

 

yeah cause Apple is all about doing what the other boys are doing. especially the ones they accuse of violating trade dress patents. 

 

Sorry but if this is the only reason for Apple to make this move then it's a no go

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You know, thinking about it, moving to less than the current density is just fine.  The 44 point interaction minimum is pretty tight as it is.  I miss type keys on the on screen keyboard still and slightly bigger buttons would be better for me.  So a 4" iPhone/Touch with the current resolution is fine by me.

post #39 of 72

Please stop posting from this guy/person.

 

He has NO insider sources. None, nada, zip.

 

Everyone of his "reports" comes out AFTER all the rumor sites and leaks occur.  I have never seen this guy post an original report. The only work this guy does is attach a title of "analyst" and throws out the far fetched things.

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Taller not wider would mean that most iPhone appliances should still work with the newer iPhone. I believe this is why we are not going to see a wider phone. Unless they plan on making some weird doc adapter.

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