New part numbers reveal Apple to refresh most of Mac lineup at WWDC - Page 3

 

That's where the splendidly entertaining Drew Remenda, who's the color commentator for the San Jose Sharks, comes from.

 

Those of us who are Sharks fans will have heard of Saskatoon, since he never passes up a chance to mention it!

 

Only the 13" MBP and both MBAs are dual core.  The 15" and 17" MBP are quad cores.  They all have hyper-threading active tho, so same count again for virtual cores.

 

 

 

 

Funny never heard the Mole Machine nickname.  Also, super-mega may be just a smidge of hyperbole.  Just a bit.  Some people have glossy screens, live and work above ground and have no problems.  Don't know what to tell you. 

 

With the exclusion of your conspiricy theory, you have a reasonable point about wanting a matte display.  People might take you seriously if you expressed that reasonable point in a reasonable way.

It'd send shivers down the spines of the competitors to release it all in one day. It'd be Cook's first real "Boom".

This is so (annoyingly) true....... :-/

Not always the most convenient, esp. when you're trying to look at a 150-page PDF/Preview document, and you want to quickly scroll from, say p. 3 to somewhere between pages 77 and 83 to do a quick browse.....

 

Lion is alright. I don't see much that is a noticeable by way of improvements other than pages scrolling in the same direction as the finger movement and some additional desktop images.

 

Apple could just as easily have done that with a 2MB update to 10.6.

The splendid book The Dog Who Wouldn't Be by Farley Mowat tells of life in Saskatoon. 

Really? So 'growing consensus' means that you've finally found someone who agrees with you?

Apple is smart enough to realize that the overwhelming majority of iMac or MacBook Pro or MacBook Air customers would not even consider switching to the Mac Pro if they didn't like the monitor. A small number might switch to the Mini, though, so you have an option.

So everyone is supposed to automatically have a switch in their home as well as a cable jack in every single location where they might use a computer? That's not even true at work, much less at home. Sometimes there isn't a jack convenient to where the computer is used.

It's an option on new houses around here and I'd be surprised if it's the default anywhere. As an option, I was able to pay something like $100 per jack when my home was built 10 years ago. But, unfortunately, you have to guess where you're going to use the computer - and if you change your mind, the jack is in the wrong place.

I can't imagine going back to wired Ethernet at home.
Edited by jragosta - 6/6/12 at 4:54pm

I agree its not always ideal, but since they run coax and cat5 for cable television anyway, its usually in a decent spot.

 

Also at work I use the Cat6 cable b/c the internet where I work (University) is 1000x better on the fast (T1?) network compared to the wifi (often spotty b/c of concrete) - so ethernet on the MBP wouldn't be great (some of us have Thunderbolts/other options for our office however)

PS seems as good as reason as any to become a Sharks fan

That's incorrect. All generations of iPads support 802.11n at both 2.4GHz and 5GHz. 

 

The iPhone only supports 2.4GHz.

Holy crap, this is going to be the best WWDC ever :)

 

And he~re comes the disappointment. 

Newton MessagePad NewGen.

 

Cheers

I need to get a new MBP, does anyone know how much Apple or any retailers tend to discount their current stock of MBP's right after a refresh? I know iPods and iPads drop a $100 or so when the new models come out. I'm wanting to know if a drop in price would be worth getting the current model versus the yet to be released one.

 

About the same. More for the more expensive models. Check MacMall, the Apple Store Clearance page, Amazon, Best Buy, and others.

 

It's Cook's first big test. He's going to want to make a big splash.

 

He's also been promising that this year would be very exciting. I hope that holds for hardware as much as it does for software. But I'm starting to dampen my expectations for this WWDC.

Honestly, I don't care for 10.7 that much. I also don't like that it seems to be heading towards looking like IOS. I like IOS for the iPhone, I like OS X for my computers.

 

So, what you're saying is that I won't be able to load 10.6 on the current model MBPs? I thought that they were out before 10.7 was released?...

 

And yes, I hate those skinny scroll bars and I don't want to use the trackpad. I don't like any devices with touchscreens including my iPhone 4s (the iPhone 4s works fantastic when I hit the right buttons, I just hate that it has a touch screen, I've had the 4S since Feb and have not yet gotten used to the damn touchscreen. I really hope Apple builds a future iPhone that has a blackberry like keyboard and trackpad on it for those of us who prefer a real keyboard...)

 

Yes, yet another reason for normal sized scroll bars...

If during rehearsal they find Cook's enthusiasm and adjectives lacking, they should give Ive a shot at introducing the new hardware. Someone who cares about curves and details and aesthetics. You can't just say it's exciting, you have to actually believe it.

I've been reading all this speculation on the "D2" items being MBP's.  When I look at this list, seems to me that all the Jxx items would be MacBook variations... and the D2's probably iMacs (D for desktop).

 

Thus you would then have:

 

J30--13" MBP

J31--15"MBP

J11--11" Air

J13--13" Air

 

Just my take on the list.

I don't think AppleInsider's guesses match up to the pricing very well. Comparing to the current Apple Australia pricing, the new 15" MBP's pricing would make it quite a bit more expensive than the current lineup. Unless that pricing chart is incomplete, the base 15" model would cost the same as the current high-end 15", and the new high-end 15" would cost even more than the current 17". Unless the 13" MBP gets a significant upgrade or there's a lower-end 15" MBP or something, this would leave a huge gap in between the current 13" MBA (A$1800) and new 15" MBP (A$2500). I don't see Apple completely revamping their entire pricing scheme any time soon.

 

 

This does seem to make more sense, and it more closely matches Apple's current pricing in Australia.

 

Maybe Apple will go "all Pro" at WWDC and only revamp their Pro line? Maybe the "D2" is a new product? Maybe Apple will keep the current MBP design and make "D2" the "Thin 15" MBP"? This would place it between the current 15" and 17" models... Or maybe this new "D2" will replace the 17"? Or maybe the "D2" isn't a laptop at all but is part of a new Mac Pro lineup? Just a bunch of random guesses.

Edited by TD912 - 6/6/12 at 6:46pm

For me, it's either 15" MBA or Samsung Series 9 15"..   Series 9 doesn't look that bad, but will probably have to run hackintosh on it.

 

Undoubtedly corroborating. But "evidence"? How hard is it to fake?

It just go to show that someone who is a genius in one era can potentially fail to recognize the needs of future generations. FLW understood that a building would require electricity but had he been a true visionary he would have designed larger conduits into each space anticipating the need for communications infrastructure. FAIL!

Updates are good. ivy bridge man. twice the gpu power and retina displays hopefully. Oh and iOS is supposed to get more integrated with the messaging app, as well as it's bluetooth sharing functions across macs and iDevices. It won't be long before apple starts designing log on screens with picture slide shows across the iPhones lock screen and Macs.

Edited by Strat09 - 6/6/12 at 9:56pm

     So you'll be missing out on the new Mac Pro... good for you.. nothing like buying 2 year old hardware just before they upgrade everything. So we should all just buy 4S' instead of the new iPhone when they come out... what?!

 

It's actually been how Apple differentiates between models for many, many years.

I would like to have an updated fast (ultimate) Mini or iMac 21" and 15" Air Pro. No less. Those multiple new SKUs really wet me deep.

As the article says, the list does not cover all Mac models. For example there are only 2 models of Macbook Pro. I wonder if the common factor is Retina display (with the exception of the Mac Pro since it is headless)?

One possibility of that pricing is that the J30 & 31 models could be upgrades to the internals (including screen) of the current form 13 & 15" MBP, with the D2 models being premium retina MBA versions of 15". The J11 & 13 models would be upgrades to existing Airs, with iMac upgrades soon to follow (possibly delayed due to supply constraints on an improved screen, and/or wanting to give the new Mac Pro a chance for some exposure?).

 

So it looks like this

 

D2   -  $2499  - 15" MBA (base model)

D2   -  $3199  - 15" MBA (premium model)

 

J30  -  $1349  -  13" MBP (base)

J30  -  $1689  -  13" MBP (premium)

 

J31  -  $1999  -  15" MBP (base)

J31  -  $2499  -  15" MBP (premium)

 

In this scenario the 13" Air and Pro have the same price. Could be explained by the Air coming with an SSD as standard, and the MBP with a HDD.

 

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A longer shot is that the D2 is a Mini-tower (a 'Mac Mini Pro'?), and the J31 is a 15" MBA.

Edited by Amti - 6/8/12 at 9:19am

 

They make a version of the exact same display with a mini-display port input:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC007LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ

 

Why anyone would spend $1000.00 on an  Apple display is beyond me, buy you can get one if you want.

Interesting thing, the 9to5 image has the phrase ai-sucks in the title. There seems to be some bad feelings here so I'm guessing one party has ripped off the other party's info without credit. That may explain the match.

As for the guesses on the products, they mostly seem to be based off the pricing lists, which aren't shown in the photo but appear to have been disclosed separately.

The rumour about the 17" being discontinued would hold up in this case. The Mini is typically referred to as best, better, ultimate with the Mini Server being the Ultimate model but if the price list is accurate, it makes more sense to be the Mac Pro. Question is, where is the Mini then?

GPU upgrades are sometimes called standalone kit but the price list doesn't match up with this, there's also parts like this:

http://store.apple.com/au_smb_4860/product/MB363ZP/A

The first item on the list has been guessed as the Airport Express but this could be one of the standalone kits and the Mini is the first item. No reason why there would just be one model though.

We'll find out soon enough.

 

Because the same panel in PC displays either costs the same or more, and those monitors don't have a camera, microphone, or speakers… 

 

Thunderbolt on the logic board, a fully integrated, non-upgradable 7xxx series GPU, or the first cards with Thunderbolt.

AnandTech recently reviewed an inexpensive display that uses the same panel as the 27" Mac displays. At $350 I guess it looks pretty good but the build quality is much lower which could easily affect its longevity if other components aren't good. It has no Thunderbolt or any other inputs so I guess you need to also buy that Belkin dock at $400 to mimic most of the features you get with Apple's solution, as well as an adapter from the HDMI-to-DL-DVI (can HDMI do DL-DVI?) They also spent $30 to guarantee a display with no dead pixels. If something does go wrong how do you get it fixed under warranty? When you add it all up it just makes more sense to go with the ATD.

• http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display

2499 for the cheapest 15 macbook pro   whoa,,  I guess i won't be buying.. 1800-1900 seems to be a better price point, with desent specs

 

Yeah, basically what I said before. I was also thinking something along the lines of this. It's still all just speculation at this point, but it makes more sense than leaving a A$700 gap in between the MBA and MBP. The base 15" MBP apparently sold really well for Apple, so I doubt they would just get rid of it and replace it with something that costs $500 more.

 

Another thing people have to remember is that these are Australian dollars, so these prices should be compared to the current Australian pricing, not US.

 

Well, I guess we'll see in a few days...

But I want to know today, I can't sleep till i know....  

There's something not right with the price list, either it's incomplete or the prices themselves are made up or both. There is a gap of A$810 (Australian dollars remember) between the supposed 13" Air and entry 15" MBP and the prices suggest the highest MBP is A$300 more than the current 17" on the Australian Store, which is ridiculous.

If we assume the photo is genuine, it's clear that the two D2 models start A$2k and A$3k. Currently, no other model in the AU Store has those price tags except the Mac Pro (all prices include tax too). Not having an ultimate model means no special Mac Pro Server model. Maybe nobody buys them for server use any more.

My guess would be single processor model starting at A$2,999 and dual processor model at A$3,999. Any other models are BTO in the same category.

The J30 and 31 models seem like the 4 iMac models.

The J11 and J13 models seem to me like 2x 13" models and 2x 15" models. The lower number in the past refers to the higher size too so J11 = 15". The reasoning for this would be that ULV chips suck and they wouldn't be able to use anything higher in an 11". Solution: scrap the 11", bring a redesigned 13" MBP into its place with standard Ivy Bridge chips. Like the old Macbooks basically.

The two 15" models would also be redesigned in an Air style but with quad-i7 chips.

The naming would then go back to Macbook and Macbook Pro. Pricing, something like: A$1099, A$1399, A$1699, A$2099

The last 3 items on the list would be the Mac Mini models with Ultimate being the Mini Server model.

The server model isn't anything special or dramatically different. It could be provided via cto options for  OSX server without making it a different selection.