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By making a new iPhone with a taller, 4.08-inch screen, Apple could offer users the benefits of a larger 16-to-9 display while also retaining the ability to operate the device while holding it with just one hand.

As reported earlier Wednesday by AppleInsider, Apple's next iPhone is expected to have a new display with an exact size of 4.08 inches. It will remain a Retina display with a resolution of 1,136 by 640 pixels and an aspect ratio of 16 to 9, according to KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

By retaining a screen width of 640 pixels, the next iPhone is expected to grow only in length. At an estimated 1,136 pixels tall, it would become a 16-to-9 display, an aspect ratio the same as high-definition TV content and HDTV sets.

But more importantly than the ability to natively view 16-to-9 content, the 4.08-inch iPhone screen would also allow users to continue to operate Apple's handset by using just one hand. According to Kuo, Apple takes single-handed use of the iPhone "very seriously," and wishes to maintain that ability with its next handset.

On smartphones wider than the iPhone 4S, it becomes more difficult for users to safely hold the handset in their hand while simultaneously stretching their thumb across to operate it. The wider the screen, the larger the potential for an area of the screen to become out of reach, requiring users to use two hands to operate the device.

The width of the screen is of particular importance when typing on the virtual keyboard in iOS. If Apple were to increase the width of the display, a right-handed user might have difficulty reaching letters on the left side of the keyboard when operating with a single hand.

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The larger 16-to-9 screen could also make typing on the virtual keyboard easier when the handset is used with two hands in landscape mode. The additional space in that orientation would make the individual keys larger and easier to hit.

While the user interface is said to be the driving force behind Apple switching to a 16-to-9 screen with the same width, it is not the only benefit that could be seen with a display that measures 4.08 inches diagonally. Keeping the width of the next iPhone screen the same 640 pixels would also ensure that existing iOS applications written for the iPhone 4S and prior will still run on the device, simply with black "letterbox" bars on the top and bottom.

"If developers don't want to adapt software for iPhone 5, the App can still successfully show on the screen except for the blackened areas on two flanks," Kuo wrote. "That, however, won't prevent the app from functioning the way it's supposed to."

Kuo also doesn't think Apple will go any larger than a 4.08-inch diagonal display because of battery life. A KGI Research survey of smartphone screen sizes and accompanying battery sizes found that batteries in smartphones with 4.3-inch displays must be "visibly bigger" to provide enough uptime.

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For example, Kuo noted the the iPhone 4S and its 3.5-inch display has a battery capacity of 1,430mAh, while the 4.3-inch HTC sensation has a battery capacity of 1,520mAh, the 4.5-inch Sony Xperia ion is 1,950mAh, and the 4.7-inch LG Optimus 4X HD is 2,150mAh.

With a 4.08-inch screen, the new iPhone will presumably also become longer. Kuo said this should provide a better phoning experience for users, as the handset's speaker will be located slightly closer to the mouth when the iPhone is held up to the ear.

The next iPhone screen is also expected to use in-cell touch panels that will make it 0.4 millimeters thinner. A new metal back could result in further reduced thickness of 0.96 millimeters, which would allow the next iPhone to measure just 7.9 millimeters thick —noticeably thinner than the 9.3-millimeter-thick iPhone 4S.

In all, the 4.08-inch display rumored to be the centerpiece of Apple's next iPhone would be 26 percent larger than the screen found on the iPhone 4S. Packing 320 pixels per inch, it would have a length of 90.3 millimeters, and a width of 50.9 millimeters.
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Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

 

But as long as I don't have to slide my hand up and down the thing like a TV remote, I'll give it a go, I guess.

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I guess all those crappy 16:9 4in Android phones were ahead of their time 2 years ago?

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That's an interesting article.  I buy the battery life thing, but do Apple really need to worry so much about one handed use?

 

Out of interest, how many people find their interaction with the iPhone is with one hand?  Personally, with the exception of answering a call, I never use it with only one hand.

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I guess all those crappy 16:9 4in Android phones were ahead of their time 2 years ago?

 

Large screen is not the issue. Larger case is the problem!

Apple, welcome to the world of shovel-phones!

 

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I guess all those crappy 16:9 4in Android phones were ahead of their time 2 years ago?

Don't you know anything. It's not size that matters, it's what you do with it that counts.

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The larger 16-by-9 screen could also make typing on the virtual keyboard easier when the handset is used with two hands in landscape mode. The additional space in that orientation would make the individual keys larger and easier to hit.

Am I the only one that thinks not only will the user experience in landscape mode not be improved, but degraded? With additional width, we will see less of a web page at a time, not more. I can't be the only one to think this, can I?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

 

But as long as I don't have to slide my hand up and down the thing like a TV remote, I'll give it a go, I guess.

Agreed.

 

Also, I'll bet most iPhone users cup it in their left hand and type with both thumbs.

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With additional width, we will see less of a web page at a time, not more.

 

As long as the zoom is the same, you are likely to see more.

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Yes! Agreed that you will see less of a page.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Agreed.

Also, I'll bet most iPhone users cup it in their left hand and type with both thumbs.

Lots of people type with one hand. I personally use my second hand to type, and first to grip. However holding in one hand is really secure, but holding in landscape mode is less secure, as you lose the cradling grip. Android phones have this problem with the bigger screens.

Apple are obsessed with portrait mode, they recommend portrait for most standard functionality.
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Why would you see less of a page? Text will wrap.
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That's an interesting article.  I buy the battery life thing, but do Apple really need to worry so much about one handed use?

Out of interest, how many people find their interaction with the iPhone is with one hand?  Personally, with the exception of answering a call, I never use it with only one hand.

I always prefer one-hand use on a phone. When I see those monster Android phones, I just shake my head in disappointment.
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Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

But as long as I don't have to slide my hand up and down the thing like a TV remote, I'll give it a go, I guess.

First let me say this is another garbage AI article better suited for a slow news day!

As to your comments I'm not sure why everybody gets hung up on aspect ratios. Going 16:9 gives both the user and developer more screen to work with, without making the device awkwardly larger. A longer device will fit the pocket much better than a wider device.

The big advantage comes when viewing documents and doing just about any sort of editing. The current iPhone screen is a real pain in the butt when working with documents or web edit boxes like this one. I really don't understand the negativity here. Further if Apple was smart this really wouldn't be a "new" iPhone but rather a new cell phone added to their line up. Different people have different needs and the single form factor iPhone solution makes about as much sense as having a single size laptop.
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Originally Posted by jason98 View Post

 

Large screen is not the issue. Larger case is the problem!

Apple, welcome to the world of shovel-phones!

 

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You act as though what is above and below the current screen on the iPhone is nothing but air and pixi dust. Perhaps to accomodate the look you mocked up with the internals would actually require the phone to be thicker? Either way they have to go somewhere.

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Agreed.

Also, I'll bet most iPhone users cup it in their left hand and type with both thumbs.

Not unless you have very small hands. My iPhone usage is often in a single hand. Then again I have size 15 shoes and could actually benefit from a larger phone with a bit more roomy spacing of keyboard keys.
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I always prefer one-hand use on a phone. When I see those monster Android phones, I just shake my head in disappointment.

You shouldn't need two hands to use a phone.

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I guess all those crappy 16:9 4in Android phones were ahead of their time 2 years ago?

Android phones have been experimenting with different screen sizes since their beginning. Since many manufacturers have many models... there are tons of different screen sizes.

And now... tall 4 inch and larger 16:9 models make up the bulk of Android phones sold today.

People don't seem to mind them.

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Am I the only one that thinks not only will the user experience in landscape mode not be improved, but degraded? With additional width, we will see less of a web page at a time, not more. I can't be the only one to think this, can I?

Did you flunk math or geometry in school. Seriously how does more area on screen lead to less of the web page being viewed? A wider screen will be of huge benefit to those that view the web on their iPhones. Frankly if you visit these forums on your iPhone it should be pretty damn obvious.

Honestly how did you come to this point of view? Has your mind been twisted by the Democratic party?
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Still safe for small hands: women, children and petite men

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I still think that they will use a 1280x720 screen. The reason is that the phone can then be natively 720p.  They would be able to do this by using the entire front of the phone as the screen when in full screen mode. When the device is not in full screen mode, the edges of the screen will become opaque and the regular 640x960 area will be used for the main UI.  The home button will probably be replaced with a pressure sensitive press that would operate on either then top or bottom, making the entire phone orientation independent and finally get rid of that pesky button (you know that Apple really doesn't like buttons).

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That's an interesting article.  I buy the battery life thing, but do Apple really need to worry so much about one handed use?

 

Out of interest, how many people find their interaction with the iPhone is with one hand?  Personally, with the exception of answering a call, I never use it with only one hand.

I'd say I use one hand on the phone about 80% of the time when texting, all of the time when dialing, typing in my password, etc.

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Purely hypothetical because I know this would never happen, but what if Apple sold two or even 3 sizes. For example a 3.5", 4.0" and a 4.3", which do you think would sell in the greatest numbers. I would jump at the 4.3" but even I think it would probably not sell as well as a 4" version. I do think the 3.5" would be the least popular at this point in time. 

P.S. I never had any trouble fitting my HTC Evo in any pocket and my best friend who is only 5' 6" and weighs only 145lbs has no problem using his 4.65" Samsung or carrying it in his pockets. So why all the fuss about making the iPhone incrementally larger? 

You know I can't answer that question of which one I'd go for. Why because I'm addicted to my iPad and may very well milk my IPhone 4 for another year. I've never updated every year anyways, but my thinking right now is very undecided. I might actually go for a more compact iPhone if Apple could shrink the current one down a bit. That goes a bit against my physical needs but as the iPad takes over I have less of a need to focus on the functionality of my cell phone.

So really the rumored 4.x iPhone would have to deliver something more than current iPhone. More than much that has been rumored frankly.
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That "single handed use" graphic is so goddamn ridiculous. Unless you have the hands of a child or you hold an iPhone with the edge on the very first thumb knuckle connected to your hand, it will always be useable with one hand. I can't believe people still post that kind of bullshit over and over again. I have NEVER seen anyone with any smartphone hold one like that person does in the picture. That is literally bullshit summed up in a picture. This stupid claim that the iPhone is a one-handed device because of it's width, and wouldn't be at any width wider than it currently is boggles the mind. It's literally a made up "feature" of the iPhone for idiots to latch on to any try and chalk it up as another reason the iPhone is somehow superior in it's design. If you hold your iPhone like that, you're most definitely doing it wrong. A wider device would make absolutely zero difference in one finger usability because literally no one holds their smartphone like that.

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Large screen is not the issue. Larger case is the problem!

 

I mentioned in another thread why what you're saying here is foolish. Did you read that?

 

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They would be able to do this by using the entire front of the phone as the screen when in full screen mode.

 

Where's the front-facing camera? The speaker? The proximity and light sensors?

 

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The home button will probably be replaced with a pressure sensitive press that would operate on either then top or bottom, making the entire phone orientation independent and finally get rid of that pesky button (you know that Apple really doesn't like buttons).

 

But still hardware, right?


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I have NEVER seen anyone with any smartphone hold one like that person does in the picture. If you hold your iPhone like that, you're most definitely doing it wrong. …literally no one holds their smartphone like that.

 

That's exactly how I have held my iPhone since the day I got it. Maybe that's what Steve meant, then.  lol.gif

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I guess all those crappy 16:9 4in Android phones were ahead of their time 2 years ago?

I guess all those crappy heavy expensive Windows 95 tablets were ahead of their time 17 years ago?

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Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

 

But as long as I don't have to slide my hand up and down the thing like a TV remote, I'll give it a go, I guess.

 

And sadly if Apple folds into the 16:9, like many other manufacturers have i think i will not be able to buy a laptop i like.  

 

The way i see it if they make this 16:9 is means that they plan to make everything into 16:9.... :(

Although, the iPhone's current screen of 3:2 isn't really anything special tbh.... i think that 4:3/16:10 woulda been better.... BUT, i trust that it was unfeasable and 3:2 was best option.

 

ON that note, i hope Cook doesn't appear to succeed (like so far) than bring Apple to 16:9 :(

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Nice try on trying to get me to switch political parties. You may want to rethink your strategy there because calling people morons is not helping your cause, especially when those morons are educated democrats.

 

He isn't a moron. Here's how it works... While the height (when in landscape) remains 640 pixels high, the percentage of the screen in comparison to the width becomes less. If the website is designed to fill the width of the screen (which it will be since that's the desired viewport), then the amount shown vertically is decreased. It's simple math really. Here's my proof since you obviously need that...

 

When in 960x640, the website fills the screen horizontally 100% and then the "fold" is at 67% of the width (640/960).  If you are using an 1136 pixel wide screen, then the fold is at 56% of the width of the screen(640/1136), or you are seeing 11% less of the height of the original viewport. If given the same DPI (326ppi), the website content would appear slightly larger, an increase of 18.3% (1136/960)-1.

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That "single handed use" graphic is so goddamn ridiculous.... I have NEVER seen anyone with any smartphone hold one like that person does in the picture. 

 

That picture is exactly how I hold my iPhone, except I tend to put my fifth finger along the bottom to keep the phone from slipping down.  And as a lefty, I want to thank Apple for conveniently putting the volume buttons on the left side!  I do think they should move the home button down and change it to short/wide capsule shape, which would leave more space for the screen.

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Purely hypothetical because I know this would never happen, but what if Apple sold two or even 3 sizes. For example a 3.5", 4.0" and a 4.3", which do you think would sell in the greatest numbers. I would jump at the 4.3" but even I think it would probably not sell as well as a 4" version. I do think the 3.5" would be the least popular at this point in time. 

 

P.S. I never had any trouble fitting my HTC Evo in any pocket and my best friend who is only 5' 6" and weighs only 145lbs has no problem using his 4.65" Samsung or carrying it in his pockets. So why all the fuss about making the iPhone incrementally larger? 

So true. People mysteriously cling to the 'small is better' idea... maybe because it's all Apple offers and sets them apart. The 3.7", 16x9 original Droid was viewed as too large also. I think if Apple offered an iPhone in the exact same weight and dimensions as the Galaxy SIII with 4.8" display, it would easily outsell the 3.5, 4.0 and 4.3" models. 

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I mentioned in another thread why what you're saying here is foolish. Did you read that?

 

 

Oh my God! Who didn't read that post?!?!

 

It was a Tour De Force! In fact they are still talking about it over at 9 to 5 Mac!

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Purely hypothetical because I know this would never happen, but what if Apple sold two or even 3 sizes. For example a 3.5", 4.0" and a 4.3", which do you think would sell in the greatest numbers. I would jump at the 4.3" but even I think it would probably not sell as well as a 4" version. I do think the 3.5" would be the least popular at this point in time. 

 

P.S. I never had any trouble fitting my HTC Evo in any pocket and my best friend who is only 5' 6" and weighs only 145lbs has no problem using his 4.65" Samsung or carrying it in his pockets. So why all the fuss about making the iPhone incrementally larger? 

 

The sad thing is, I suspect the biggest one would sell in the greatest numbers, since in the minds of most consumers, bigger = better when it comes to phone screens.

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Oh my God! Who didn't read that post?!?! It was a Tour De Force! In fact they are still talking about it over at 9 to 5 Mac!

 

I don't think we're talking about the same post here… lol.gif

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Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

Me too. Haven't seen it but I hate it. And I will keep saying so until I love it. 

 

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I couldn't care less about using it single handed, as it's something I never do on the current pokey little screen.

 

I'm more interested in making the portrait keyboard wider, making on screen gaming controls cover less of the gameplay area, making web pages more readable, and making GPS nav controls easier to hit while driving. Stuff that requires a screen bigger in all dimensions.

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I agree, another lousy AI article.
A taller phone becomes WIDER when held horizontally, which (following this article's flawed logic) would be more difficult for people to use one or two hands.
My next phone will be bigger in both dimensions. What is most important to me is being able to type accurately with two thumbs. I seldom type with the phone held vertically. I want to see larger keys on the keyboard.
I also want more usable screen size- get rid of the home button!
I want to read and type a Captcha sequence w/o having to scroll the text.

I don't understand Apple's reluctance to increase the iPhone screen size. I'm glad this corporate obstinance has cost them market share. When Jobs talked about a smaller tablet he said people wouldn't like anything smaller- yet the iPhone has remained much smaller yet. I'm glad the company has a new CEO.
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I'm an apple fan I'll start by saying that. But a longer screen not wider is pretty ugly if you ask me, I want a longer wider screen...like most people.. If there worried about the devs, then that's dev problems, they get paid pretty good money I'm assuming..... to fix the screen size ratios... Give me a break apple I'm sorry.... I'll stick with my iPad.. And get a galaxy s III or something like that.... Very disappointing
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A taller phone becomes WIDER when held horizontally, which (following this article's flawed logic) would be more difficult for people to use one or two hands.

 

I'm trying to think of an instance in which one would hold a phone in landscape with just one hand. "Watching a movie" is all I can think of, and then you have your thumb available to hit play/pause, etc.

 

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I want a longer wider screen…like most people. Give me a break apple I'm sorry.... I'll stick with my iPad.. And get a galaxy s III or something like that.... Very disappointing

 

So Apple is giving you exactly what you want and you're disappointed and will buy from someone else? I don't get it.

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Not unless you have very small hands. My iPhone usage is often in a single hand. Then again I have size 15 shoes and could actually benefit from a larger phone with a bit more roomy spacing of keyboard keys.

I actually don't use it single handed often.  

 

Maybe when lying in bed is the only time.  Even then I find single hand usage annoying.  Especially with the likes of the twitter app placing the "done" button for pictures at the far upper right of the screen - which means i mess around with the phone to get my thumb up that high.

 

Going to a 16:9 will make that worse.

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Still completely unsold on 16:9. Will continue to be unsold on it after launch.

 

But as long as I don't have to slide my hand up and down the thing like a TV remote, I'll give it a go, I guess.


If they ditched the big round home button that you are so fond of we could have a larger screen without increasing the size of the device too much.

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