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A riot involving "hundreds" of workers broke out at Foxconn's Chengdu factory in southwest China as disgruntled employees clashed with security guards reportedly over "past grievances" involving working conditions.

The incident occurred on Monday night after an unknown number of employees who supposedly had "grudges" against Foxconn hindered two company security guards from apprehending a thief, according to a report from Want China Times (via BGR).

Apparently the situation escalated from there as rioters threw trash cans, office furniture, bottles and fireworks from the upper floors of an on-site male dormitory, destroying public facilities on the ground. The disturbance caused the dorm's administration to call in local police forces, bringing hundreds of officers down on the plant to quell the uprising. It was reported that nearly 1,000 workers participated in the riot though that number is unconfirmed.

It is unclear what exactly prompted the two-hour conflict and the validity of initial reports from Chinese human rights advocacy website Molihua are questionable.

No injuries were reported at the scene, though dozens of people were arrested as the police force made its way through the multi-story dormitory complex.

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Overhead view of the Foxconn dormitory that was the site of a reported riot on Monday night. | Source: Molihua


Foxconn's Chengdu factory, which allegedly produces parts for Apple's iPad and iPhone product lines, was the site of a deadly explosion in 2011 that killed two workers. No official statement regarding the riot has been released.

Foxconn, one of the world's largest electronics manufacturers with partners like Microsoft, Sony and HP, was painted as being a sweatshop operator after a disparaging story about Apple's supply chain by monologist Mike Daisey aired on the popular U.S. radio program "This American Life." The claims of horrifying working conditions and abysmal wages made in Daisey's tale were ultimately proved false, but media outlets continued to keep a close eye on both Apple and Foxconn.

Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined the Fair Labor Association which launched an independent audit into Foxconn's business practices and found most of the company's dealings to be above board. The Chinese company later vowed to fix a number of violations the FLA uncovered and announced in May that Apple would be sharing any cost associated with improving factory conditions.

It was reported on Wednesday that Apple is planning to open a retail store in Chengdu sometime soon but there is no indication that Monday's riot was in any way tied to that decision.
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... and many will consider such action Long Overdue.
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What's the bet that CNN is the first in the US to report this?

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For cripes sake, Foxconn in also HP's partner and Dell's partner, and dozen's of other brand name's partners. We don't even know if this factory makes Apple products, or if the employees make Apple products. 

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We know what we're worth so they need to keep giving us more, more, more!

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We know what we're worth so they need to keep giving us more, more, more!

Not sure what you're trying to say here. No doubt they have some grievance that isn't trivial if they're willing to risk bringing the Chinese police down on them. I doubt this is over the food quality or just needing a blanket. It would have to be something more serious to risk clashing with the cops.

 

I agree that Foxconn partners with lots of other companies and whatever problems are there, Apple gets an unfair share of the blame. But I have to side with the workers on this one until I get more details.

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Riots and demonstrations are common things in China. 

It happens sometime in our company in Shanghai with a workforce of 250 persons. So with factory of thousands of employees, this is normal thing to happen. 

 

Why it happens, because this is the way people express themselves here in China since they don't have unions. 

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I have no idea what the cause is but I did say when their hours were reduced that having so many young people in a small area with considerably more idle time, and potentially packing in more bodies into the same area to keep the lines moving, that it could very well be an issue in and of itself. It would be ironic if the riot occurred because they weren't allowed more than 36 overtime hours per month.
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I have no what the cause is but I did say when these hours were reduced that having so many young people in a small area with considerably more idle time, and potentially even packing in more bodies into the same area to keep the lines moving, could very well be an issue in and of itself. It would be ironic if the riot occurred because they weren't allowed more than 36 overtime hours per month.

That must be what DaHarder was referring to!

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I dunno...judging by that photograph and the size of that riot, at least .01% of Foxconn looks to be rioting... Apple must be shaking in their boots...

 

*sarcasm*

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Foxconn's Chengdu factory, which allegedly produces parts for Apple's iPad and iPhone product lines....

 

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For cripes sake, Foxconn in also HP's partner and Dell's partner, and dozen's of other brand name's partners. We don't even know if this factory makes Apple products, or if the employees make Apple products. 

 

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"Occupy Foxconn" is sponsored by... :)

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Gentleman, Welcome to Foxconn!

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While I find the article fairly even-handed regarding Apple (it is after all AI), I'm afraid truth is irrelevant in the world of pundits and analysts. To the former this is proof that Apple is in decline; to the latter an excuse to short Apple stock.

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Why does everyone have to get on Apple's back for this? I'm not Apple's greatest supporter, but lets be real.

 

About 85% or more of the products on shelves are 'made in china'. Your phone, your t-shirt, your pants, your nikes, everything. I have my fair share of problems with Apple (their insstance that I can't personalize my phone using a different onscreen keyboard color, background and style for example), but having things made in china is not one of them. Hell, i bet the plate i'm eating my sandwich out of right now is made in china

 

.....*goes to check*.....

yep, MADE IN CHINA
 

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Apple could care less about these people. They put on a facade they care. No way in hell. They care about what they gain in profits and what takeover they can obtain with other companies who are at risk.Very selfish and weird company to be employed in.
 

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maybe one day all our tech products will be made in the USA.

 

we can expect to pay 10 times what we pay now and we can expect items to ship 2 years after they are announced.

 

then we can complain about that !!

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What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt?  More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?

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That info may not have been added at that point. When I first read this AI article it was a title and the bolded blurb at the top. No actual story or a photo.

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post #20 of 39

You could substitute the word "prison" for "Foxcon" in most stories about Foxcon and the story wouldn't sound much different.

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The one thing that does not jive with all these stories is that Apple products are not known for assembly line defects.  It seems to me disgruntle workers would be sloppy and the products would have a high level of defects or even be sabotaged. 

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They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.  

 

How do you say  "Steve would have never let this happen"  in Chinese?

 

Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them.  And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.

 

And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.

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What was the thief stealing and did the thief get away?

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Riots and demonstrations are common things in China. 

It happens sometime in our company in Shanghai with a workforce of 250 persons. So with factory of thousands of employees, this is normal thing to happen. 

 

Why it happens, because this is the way people express themselves here in China since they don't have unions. 

the USA had similar problems when it was developing. unfair wages, harsh treatment. thats why the unions were formed. sad that the Chinese are repeating the same thing rather than reviewing history and anticipating what workers will/would need and could tolerate.

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Apple could care less about these people. They put on a facade they care. No way in hell. They care about what they gain in profits and what takeover they can obtain with other companies who are at risk.Very selfish and weird company to be employed in.
 

 

Just like HP, Dell, Nike and all those other companies "care" about what happens in their factories.  Are you kidding me dude.  I haven't heard any of those companies try to work with Foxconn to improve working conditions (Apple has) or have Foxcoon independently audited (Apple has), help to pay for the boost in salary (Apple has).

 

Since I doubt every product you own is made in America, your a hypocrite who needs to step off their pedestal. 

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"This is obviously Apple's fault. They should have given everyone $7.25 an hour and houses for each individual on a plot of land no smaller than an acre. All workers should have had a 35 hour work week.

 

This wouldn't have happened if Apple had listened to us protest their working conditions."

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I have no idea what the cause is but I did say when their hours were reduced that having so many young people in a small area with considerably more idle time (...)

Yeah, youth and idle time is probably the cause of this :roll eyes:

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When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined..." they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill.

 

No reputable journalist would ever use that language.  Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process. 

 

I'm not defending what the journalist in question did.  That was wrong and even the journalist has acknowledged that.  I'm suggesting that by looking at the language in the story, one can easily see that it is coming from someplace with an agenda and shouldn't be trusted.

 

 

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When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined…" they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill. No reputable journalist would ever use that language.  Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process.

 

People lie about Apple being a member of the FLA, the article acknowledges this. I don't really see a problem.

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They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.  

 

How do you say  "Steve would have never let this happen"  in Chinese?

 

Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them.  And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.

 

And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.

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What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt?  More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?

 

Check your history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
 


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For cripes sake, Foxconn in also HP's partner and Dell's partner, and dozen's of other brand name's partners.

 

Most people already consider HP and Dell pretty sleazy. Throwing mud at Apple is more likely to generate interest.

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>The claims of horrifying working conditions and abysmal wages made in Daisey's tale were ultimately proved false,

 

Not true! What were proved false were Daisey's claims to have personally witnessed some of the abuses he described. No one has proved - and no informed source has even claimed - that the problems he described weren't real. 

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Not true! What were proved false were Daisey's claims to have personally witnessed some of the abuses he described. No one has proved - and no informed source has even claimed - that the problems he described weren't real.

So there is no evidence of what he claimed as fact wasn't happening and you say that means he could have accidentally factual because there is no way to prove otherwise? Can you guess what fallacious argument that is?

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For those stil reading the thread note that the latest reports out of Chengdu indicate that the initial reports put out by a human rights group were grossly exaggerated. Apparently the whole matter began with a petty dispute at a restaurant near the factory and involved around 100 workers at its height. Only 4 guys were detained overnight for disorderly conduct and released the next morning. No one was injured and nothing to do with worker grievances. Shame on the media for reporting rumors, with no verifiable sources, as fact. Of course there will be no retraction and the the "1000 rioters, 100s arrested" myth will be repeated for years to come.
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Well, at least Apple is just one of Foxconn's clients.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/07/world/asia/foxconn-workers-riot/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

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Rioting is usually a good sign. Revolutions are usually preceded by a period of improving conditions. Before a period of positive change, oppressed people see no hope for any change and therefore see no use in protesting. Once they see a light at the end of the tunnel, they are spurred to action. You might think of it impatience that is empowered by new hope. Look at it this way - if someone has their foot on my throat for an extended period of time, I'm not struggling, I only fight back when the stranglehold loosens.

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What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt?  More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?

 

why are they slaver laborers? - especially when there have been numerous wage increases and improvement working conditions in recent years. 

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Read the New York Times story - there's nothing there that came from Daisey, and none of it has been proved false.  

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