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If he is so what ?

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Evidently, Obama was listed as a member of the New Socialist Party until 1997, but really, he left -- retroactively -- in 1994. :lol:

 

Bye, guys. Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons that have taken over this place. Ciao!

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Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons...

 

I thought you were better than that tonton.

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Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons...

 

I thought you were better than that tonton.

Nope he's right! I had to take a break also.

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Evidently, Obama was listed as a member of the New Socialist Party until 1997, but really, he left -- retroactively -- in 1994. :lol:

 

Bye, guys. Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons that have taken over this place. Ciao!

 

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Nope he's right! I had to take a break also.

 

Is that what you guys are calling rehab now?

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Evidently, Obama was listed as a member of the New Socialist Party until 1997, but really, he left -- retroactively -- in 1994. :lol:

 

Bye, guys. Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons that have taken over this place. Ciao!

 

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Nope he's right! I had to take a break also.

 

Is that what you guys are calling rehab now?

Nope I'd call it a break from stupidity or just plain craziness for perspective as you must see ( or not ) most of the outside world doesn't entertain the more crazy, conservative, right wingnut, and just plain stupid  ideas and attitudes you read here. A little bubble unto itself. Much like some virus they can't exist for long in the open air.

 

It's what I was saying when I came back. You guys didn't win anything because the thinking people left here. They left out of sheer boredom and exasperation. When you realize the person you're talking to isn't dealing with reality very well you need a break every so often. For some it was a permanent break.

 

 

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Enjoying my time away from the brainwashed buffoons that have taken over this place

tonton can see it. So can many. You really should give it up trumpy. Your old tricks just don't work anymore. You could continue but after awhile you guys will just be arguing with yourselves ( much like most of the GOP ). ( wink if I could )


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Nope he's right! I had to take a break also.

 

Oh look: jimmac missed the point. Again.

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...most of the outside world doesn't entertain the more crazy, conservative, right wingnut, and just plain stupid  ideas and attitudes you read here...

 

No. It's true. Most of the world is too busy entertaining even crazier liberal, left wingnut, and just plain dangerous attitudes you hear from the mainstream media and the President.

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Nope he's right! I had to take a break also.

 

Oh look: jimmac missed the point. Again.

Which point is that? Is it a point as only MJ can see it?lol.gif

 

Also I think it's you who has missed a point as thinking people simply can't stand the obfuscation that goes on here.

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Which point is that? Is it a point as only MJ can see it?lol.gif

 

The point was...and listen carefully and slowly...I'll use small words...

 

I thought tonton was better than to call people who doesn't agree with or who hold different views from him "brainwashed buffoons." But I guess that, in typical, leftist fashion, the end comes to name-calling.

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...most of the outside world doesn't entertain the more crazy, conservative, right wingnut, and just plain stupid  ideas and attitudes you read here...

 

No. It's true. Most of the world is too busy entertaining even crazier liberal, left wingnut, and just plain dangerous attitudes you hear from the mainstream media and the President.

So from this I'm getting " The whole world's crazy and we're the only sane ones! Ha, ha! We'll show them! " Uh yeah.lol.gif ( head shakes if it could )

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So from this I'm getting " The whole world's crazy and we're the only sane ones! Ha, ha! We'll show them! " Uh yeah.lol.gif ( head shakes if it could )

 

Well, one can only really judge the actions that people actually engage in and, absent that, the words they say. If those actions (or words) are crazy, well...

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So from this I'm getting " The whole world's crazy and we're the only sane ones! Ha, ha! We'll show them! " Uh yeah.lol.gif ( head shakes if it could )

 

Well, one can only really judge the actions that people actually engage in and, absent that, the words they say. If those actions (or words) are crazy, well...

I'm sure that's how it seems to you. Thank you for the subjective observation. It's really alright MJ.lol.gif

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I'm sure that's how it seems to you. Thank you for the subjective observation. It's really alright MJ.lol.gif

 

Yes, it does.

 

Now...back to those substantive posts you claim to make so frequently.

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I'm sure that's how it seems to you. Thank you for the subjective observation. It's really alright MJ.lol.gif

 

Yes, it does.

 

Now...back to those substantive posts you claim to make so frequently.

 

 

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Yes, it does.

As I said subjective.

 

 

So predictable. All one has to do is log out to get an answer from you guys. I'm sorry you can't see substance where many others do. ( wink if I could )

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As I said subjective.

 

I haven't claimed differently. That said, there are some things that one could reasonably say are objectively crazy.

 

 

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So predictable. All one has to do is log out to get an answer from you guys.

 

Sorry I'm not posting on your schedule. :rolleyes:

 

 

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I'm sorry you can't see substance where many others do.

 

Indeed. lol.gif

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As I said subjective.

 

I haven't claimed differently. That said, there are some things that one could reasonably say are objectively crazy.

 

 

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So predictable. All one has to do is log out to get an answer from you guys.

 

Sorry I'm not posting on your schedule. :rolleyes:

 

 

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I'm sorry you can't see substance where many others do.

 

Indeed. lol.gif

 

 

 

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That said, there are some things that one could reasonably say are objectively crazy.

Only in a subjective manner.lol.gif

 

 

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Sorry I'm not posting on your schedule. :rolleyes:

Believe me I'm sorry also.

 

 

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Indeed.

Yes alas indeed.

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Only in a subjective manner.

 

Perhaps you need a refresher on the definitions of subjective and objective.

 

Let's try an examples. I'll speak slowly and use small words.

 

Some person thinks they can step in front of moving cars without any risk of injury.

 

Setting aside the clinically technical definitions relating to "crazy" for a moment I think it can be said, reasonably objectively, that this person is "crazy" to think or believe what they believe. You see it is a much less subjective evaluation. It is less about opinion that stepping in front of moving vehicles carries with it a great deal of risk of injury and death. It is certainly not absolute, but we have a great deal evidence along with a strong understanding of physics to guide us in making a reasonably objective evaluation of this person's craziness.

 

Does that help or are you just playing games?

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Only in a subjective manner.

 

Perhaps you need a refresher on the definitions of subjective and objective.

 

Let's try an examples. I'll speak slowly and use small words.

 

Some person thinks they can step in front of moving cars without any risk of injury.

 

Setting aside the clinically technical definitions relating to "crazy" for a moment I think it can be said, reasonably objectively, that this person is "crazy" to think or believe what they believe. You see it is a much less subjective evaluation. It is less about opinion that stepping in front of moving vehicles carries with it a great deal of risk of injury and death. It is certainly not absolute, but we have a great deal evidence along with a strong understanding of physics to guide us in making a reasonably objective evaluation of this person's craziness.

 

Does that help or are you just playing games?

Nah! I'm not playing games ( although I might be having a little fun ). And subjective is this :

 

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adjective

1.
existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).
2.
pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3.
placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
4.
Philosophy . relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
5.
relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.

 

 

As opposed to :

 

 

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adjective

4.
being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.
5.
not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
6.
intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
7.
being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject ( opposed to subjective).
8.
of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective

 

I think I understand the two fairly well. In our case it's concerning one's personal take or feelings ( subjective ) on a subject and the other is outside of that what the world or the facts say about the subject ( objective ) as in thinking objectively as opposed to thinking subjectively.


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Nah! I'm not playing games ( although I might be having a little fun ). And subjective is this :

 

As opposed to :

 

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective

 

I think I understand the two fairly well. In our case it's concerning one's personal take or feelings ( subjective ) on a subject and the other is outside of that what the world or the facts say about the subject ( objective ) as in thinking objectively as opposed to thinking subjectively.

 

Yes. I know the definitions also. :rolleyes:

 

Nice that you blew right by the analogy I presented. Hmmm..is that like a "dodge"? lol.gif

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Nah! I'm not playing games ( although I might be having a little fun ). And subjective is this :

 

As opposed to :

 

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective

 

I think I understand the two fairly well. In our case it's concerning one's personal take or feelings ( subjective ) on a subject and the other is outside of that what the world or the facts say about the subject ( objective ) as in thinking objectively as opposed to thinking subjectively.

 

Yes. I know the definitions also. :rolleyes:

 

Nice that you blew right by the analogy I presented. Hmmm..is that like a "dodge"? lol.gif

Oh! I see. It's ok for you to lecture me but not the other way around. Interesting. Sorry but I prefer the dictionary to your definition. Not that there was anything wrong. It was just a little narrow and insulting. The analogy was kind of " Subjective " in nature though.lol.gif


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If anyone has any understanding of the damage McCarthyism did to the US, there's no other way to describe SDW.

 

Member of a benign social democracy party, or money laundering (may be legal, but it's money laundering nonetheless) CEO of a übercapitalist supercorp that fired multitudes and shipped jobs overseas... which is worse? I can see how some might believe honestly that they are both wrong, but who in their right mind would consider the former worse? Only a brainwashed buffoon. Last response.


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If anyone has any understanding of the damage McCarthyism did to the US, there's no other way to describe SDW.

Member of a benign social democracy party, or money laundering (may be legal, but it's money laundering nonetheless) CEO of a übercapitalist supercorp that fired multitudes and shipped jobs overseas... which is worse? I can see how some might believe honestly that they are both wrong, but who in their right mind would consider the latter worse? Only a brainwashed buffoon. Last response.

The hardcore conservatives have no more place in the Age Of Aquarius. They will be dragged like rabid dogs to the slaughter... by themselves. They will become merely entertainment, as the bottom falls out of their beliefs.
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Is this a tease on your part?
 

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Oh! I see. It's ok for you to lecture me but not the other way around.

 

When did I say that?

 

 

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Sorry but I prefer the dictionary to your definition.

 

You fail to see that my "definition" (it was really an example). is perfectly consistent with the dictionary definitions.

 

 

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It was just a little narrow and insulting. The analogy was kind of " Subjective " in nature though.lol.gif

 

Wow.

 

Now...back to those substantive posts you keep telling me about...

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Oh! I see. It's ok for you to lecture me but not the other way around.

 

When did I say that?

 

 

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Sorry but I prefer the dictionary to your definition.

 

You fail to see that my "definition" (it was really an example). is perfectly consistent with the dictionary definitions.

 

 

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It was just a little narrow and insulting. The analogy was kind of " Subjective " in nature though.lol.gif

 

Wow.

 

Now...back to those substantive posts you keep telling me about...

 

 

 

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Perhaps you need a refresher on the definitions of subjective and objective.

 

Let's try an examples. I'll speak slowly and use small words.

 

 

Sounds like a lecture to me. And an insulting one at that.

 

 

 

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Some person thinks they can step in front of moving cars without any risk of injury.

 

Setting aside the clinically technical definitions relating to "crazy" for a moment I think it can be said, reasonably objectively, that this person is "crazy" to think or believe what they believe. You see it is a much less subjective evaluation. It is less about opinion that stepping in front of moving vehicles carries with it a great deal of risk of injury and death. It is certainly not absolute, but we have a great deal evidence along with a strong understanding of physics to guide us in making a reasonably objective evaluation of this person's craziness.

 

Does that help or are you just playing games?

 

Yeah that was just overflowing with substance. And so pertinent to the topic as well! ( eyes roll if they could )

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Sounds like a lecture to me. And an insulting one at that.

 

Yep.

 

 

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Yeah that was just overflowing with substance.

 

Yep.

 

 

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And so pertinent to the topic as well!

 

It was pertinent to your allegations of everything I think being merely subjective.

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Sounds like a lecture to me. And an insulting one at that.

 

Yep.

 

 

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Yeah that was just overflowing with substance.

 

Yep.

 

 

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And so pertinent to the topic as well!

 

It was pertinent to your allegations of everything I think being merely subjective.

But was it on topic or was it about me? ( wink if I could )

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But was it on topic or was it about me? ( wink if I could )

 

Well, I figure that since you've returned and pretty much derailed every thread you've posted in, perhaps in order to bring the focus on you...I just assume you want the topic to be about you.

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But was it on topic or was it about me? ( wink if I could )

 

Well, I figure that since you've returned and pretty much derailed every thread you've posted in, perhaps in order to bring the focus on you...I just assume you want the topic to be about you.

Gee what's the title of this thread? Oh yeah it's

 

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And it's me who's derailing?

 

 

Believe me I want to talk about the topic but most of the conservatives here seem to have a fixation on me or something!lol.gif Could it be that I get them stirred up or that I call them out? Nah! It couldn't be that.

 

Maybe it has something to do with this since most conservatives seem to do this now days.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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And it's me who's derailing?

 

Yes.

 

 

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Believe me I want to talk about the topic...

 

Then talk about it. No one is stopping you.

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And it's me who's derailing?

 

Yes.

 

 

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Believe me I want to talk about the topic...

 

Then talk about it. No one is stopping you.

Well I was way back on post #123. That was before the conservo mob started in on me. So I'd say it was that group ( sorry you're in it also ) that's keeping me from it.

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Well I was way back on post #123.

 

And I responded to you in #128. And then you responded like this:

 

 

 

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SDW was discussiing profit. Now you want to classify what kind of profit. Also are seriously suggesting that poor wittle oil companies are strapped and poor?lol.gif

 

Hence my comment to SDW about how many gallons they sell.

 

Please that is so dumb it's stupid. So you're saying that they could be making even more giant profits if they weren't taxed? Yes or no ( no spin please ).The big picture is that they're making big profits. End of story. Trying to spin it any other way is a very republican thing to do MJ.

 

 

 

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So I'd say it was that group ( sorry you're in it also ) that's keeping me from it.

 

You're saying that people here are controlling your behavior?

 

Feel free to get back on topic any time you want.

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Well I was way back on post #123. That was before the conservo mob started in on me. So I'd say it was that group ( sorry you're in it also ) that's keeping me from it.

You poor thing.

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Well I was way back on post #123. That was before the conservo mob started in on me. So I'd say it was that group ( sorry you're in it also ) that's keeping me from it.

You poor thing.

Hey at least I've got more than 3 words in my sentence. ( wink if I could )

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Hey at least I've got more than 3 words in my sentence. ( wink if I could )

 

Feel free to get back on topic any time you want.

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Well I was way back on post #123.

 

And I responded to you in #128. And then you responded like this:

 

 

 

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SDW was discussiing profit. Now you want to classify what kind of profit. Also are seriously suggesting that poor wittle oil companies are strapped and poor?lol.gif

 

Hence my comment to SDW about how many gallons they sell.

 

Please that is so dumb it's stupid. So you're saying that they could be making even more giant profits if they weren't taxed? Yes or no ( no spin please ).The big picture is that they're making big profits. End of story. Trying to spin it any other way is a very republican thing to do MJ.

 

 

 

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So I'd say it was that group ( sorry you're in it also ) that's keeping me from it.

 

You're saying that people here are controlling your behavior?

 

Feel free to get back on topic any time you want.

 

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You're saying that people here are controlling your behavior?

Of course not. And you know very well what I' saying. I'd talk about the content of the thread but people like yourself want to fill replies to my posts with personal observations about me. And all one has to do is look at this post. You're still doing it. But nice derail MJ. Tell you what how about instead of this pissing contest I just post something like this " Will you please get back on topic! " every time you do this and ignore the rest of your drivel?

 

Sorry if you didn't like the Republican comment but it's no different whatsoever from the stuff you throw my way like :

 

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The point was...and listen carefully and slowly...I'll use small words...

 

 

 

 

That would at least show who's derailing and who's not.


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Of course not. And you know very well what I' saying. I'd talk about the content of the thread but people like yourself want to fill replies to my posts with personal observations about me. And all one has to do is look at this post. You're still doing it. But nice derail MJ. Tell you what how about instead of this pissing contest I just post something like this " Will you please get back on topic! " every time you do this and ignore the rest of your drivel?

 

That would at least show who's derailing and who's not.

 

Feel free to get back on topic any time you want.

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I'd love to MJ. I've been trying for the past several min. However since the " upgrade " of this site sometimes it won't let me post if I'm quoting the previous post.

 

So do you think that if these allegations about Obama being tied to a socialist party are true would it be an awful thing and why?

 

Also is this party still in operation?

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I'd love to MJ. I've been trying for the past several min. However since the " upgrade " of this site sometimes it won't let me post if I'm quoting the previous post.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

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So do you think that if these allegations about Obama being tied to a socialist party are true would it be an awful thing and why?

 

Yes it probably is true. The only thing I find awful are what he's doing. Whatever it is that motivates that is probably irrelevant. Is he a "closet socialist?" Probably. Certainly his rhetoric appears to indicate this. As I said in the other thread, ultimately he's a statist who is primarily a political opportunist willing to use both socialist and fascist approaches to gain and retain his power to reshape the US in his own Utopian vision. Are there threads of communism and socialism, anti-capitalism (and fascism) in all of this? Yes. Of course.

 

 

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Also is this party still in operation?

 

I have no idea, nor do I care.

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