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With a new MacBook lineup said to be on the way, Apple is expected to discontinue its 17-inch MacBook Pro this year, and might even ax the Pro lineup entirely in favor of the "new MacBook" in 2013.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo with KGI said in a research note shared with AppleInsider on Friday that Apple is still planning to retire the 17-inch MacBook Pro in 2012. He expects only the 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pros will receive updates from Apple this month.

A discontinuation of the 17-inch MacBook Pro is expected to be part of a major shakeup in Apple's notebook lineup. Kuo also indicated on Friday that Apple is apparently planning to introduce an entirely new MacBook lineup next week, with new models positioned between the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro sized at 13 and 15 inches.

The 17-inch MacBook Pro would be a logical choice for Apple to retire, as the premium professional notebook only accounted for 1.7 percent of the company's notebook sales in the first quarter of 2012. The most popular option, Kuo said, was the 13-inch MacBook Pro, which took 46.9 percent of sales, followed by an 18.1 percent share for the 13-inch MacBook Air, and 16 percent for the 15-inch MacBook Pro.

Kuo believes that Apple even plans to go beyond the 17-inch model and potentially discontinue the entire MacBook Pro lineup, replacing it with new 13- and 15-inch notebooks he has referred to as simply the "new MacBook." If the new MacBook proves popular enough, he thinks Apple could reduce its notebook lineup to just four products: the 11- and 13-inch MacBook Airs, and the new 13- and 15-inch MacBooks.

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But given a "high sales weighting" for the MacBook Pro, Kuo admitted it would be "difficult" for Apple to quickly discontinue the MacBook Pro. He expects the product will remain on the shelves until 2013, at which point Apple is seen as "likely" to reduce supply of the MacBook Pro to help boost sales of the new MacBook.

The new MacBook series is expected to be a merging of the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro lineups. Apple's new laptops are believed to feature a thinner design and will lack optical disc drives, but will offer more power than the MacBook Air.

Kuo first suggested in April that Apple could discontinue the 17-inch MacBook Pro this year, citing falling shipments of the top-of-the-line notebook. He was the first to indicate in 2011 that Apple planned to phase out its 13-inch polycarbonate MacBook.
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What crap, if true.

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Total, unadulterated nonsense. Why in the world would Apple drop an entire very successful product line?

Now, it's conceivable that they might drop the 'pro' from the name, but dropping the entire line - and not making a 17" laptop? Absurd.
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I don't believe it...

 

I seriously doubt this guy is privileged to what apple is doing in 2013. Most devs I work with are on 15" MBPs, for them to just take it away, just doesn't seem logical.

 

I do rarely see the 17" in the wild any more. I remember one year at WWDC it was a dominating notebook, but not so much now days. 

 

I can picture them being able to do this with a high res display. We shall see.

 

 

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Dammit. Still highly skeptical of this.

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"The 17-inch MacBook Pro would be a logical choice for Apple to retire, as the premium professional notebook only accounted for 1.7 percent of the company's notebook sales in the first quarter of 2012."

 

So this suggests that future sales will be as flat? Perhaps all of us who use a 17" are waiting for a refresh. As a full-time RVer on the road, my 17" provides me with much needed screen space plus had multiple inputs...and yes, I use the optical drive, too, to burn DVDs/CDs. A desktop or iMac would never do in our limited space.

 

Sure I have an iPad, iPhone, iPods for various other functions but heavily depend on my 17". 15" is just too small.

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good idea

 

i think Apple should firmly drive a message home that these 'desktop replacement' size machienes dont fall into line with modern day multi-device computing

 

these so called professionals moaning about this should head over to the world of Windows - plenty of options there - you guys are too old school for the modern Apple world

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Total, unadulterated nonsense. Why in the world would Apple drop an entire very successful product line?
Now, it's conceivable that they might drop the 'pro' from the name, but dropping the entire line - and not making a 17" laptop? Absurd.

 

The 17" is less then 2% of sales man, nothing absurd about discontinuing it.

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That is ridiculous. 

 

 


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I believe this is true. 17" MacBook Pro is dead and will become merely a collectors item. But I don't care. The 17" is no longer required now we're getting these incredible retina displays in the 15" model. It has all the screen resolution we need.

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The 17" is less then 2% of sales man, nothing absurd about discontinuing it.

Yeah, it makes sense to me.  The fad of the large laptop is over.  People want normal to small size laptops.

 

As for the Macbook Pro line disappearing.  It sounds like they are just rebranding it, although I think the "Macbook Pro" brand has more prestige.

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I just wonder if the new laptop would include a Retina Display with Multi-Touch input.

 

If not now, I imagine that would be something coming soon.

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The 17" is less then 2% of sales man, nothing absurd about discontinuing it.

So you accept everything you read? How in the world would this analyst know Apple's sales by product to within 0.1%?

You can trace the source of this rumor. Some time ago, an analyst stated that Apple sold 30 13" MBPs for every 17" unit sold and that the 13" accounted for 50% of sales. There was no evidence to back their claim and no methodology - yet everyone seems to have accepted it even though the results just don't look plausible:

13" 50%
15" 48.3%
17" 1.7%

That distribution doesn't sound plausible - since the price differential between the 13" and 15" is close to the same as the differential between the 15" and 17".

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Why not just unify all the different models into one new design under one brand name available in 12", 14", 16"

 

Plus an all new design iMac available in 20" 24", 28".

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Apple will lose my laptop business if they do this. I work in development and infrastructure and every bit of screen space is needed. Simply cramming more data into a smaller screen due to a higher pixel density is useless if you can't see what's there.

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Apple will lose my laptop business if they do this. I work in development and infrastructure and every bit of screen space is needed. Simply cramming more data into a smaller screen due to a higher pixel density is useless if you can't see what's there.

 

Do you not understand what a retina display will do? It's pixel quadrupling. For every one pixel before, there will be four pixels now. It's clarity, not extra screen space.

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Yeah, it makes sense to me.  The fad of the large laptop is over.  People want normal to small size laptops.

 

As for the Macbook Pro line disappearing.  It sounds like they are just rebranding it, although I think the "Macbook Pro" brand has more prestige.

 

The 17" MBP doesn't sell well anymore because it's just too expensive. The cheapest model is over 2 grand compared to half that for the 13" model.

 

Compare that with the windows PCs where 17" laptops are still very popular as desktop replacements because there isn't such a big price hike from 13" and 15" models.

 

I'm not sure we'll be any the wiser on Monday as I've never known Apple to announce an EOL at a keynote. They usually so it very quietly when nobody is looking.

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Apple should just discontinue all computers and sell iPhone and iPad appliances. This year marks the last dollar I will ever spend on Apple ecosystem. Enough is enough.

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Do you not understand what a retina display will do? It's pixel quadrupling. For every one pixel before, there will be four pixels now. It's clarity, not extra screen space.

You realise that the flip side of that equation is that while the number of pixel is quadrupling, the resolution is doubling?
That extra clarity is because things can be drawn at a finer resolution.

It also means that if things are drawn at the same resolution at they currently are, you can fit a helluva lot more on the same sized screen.

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Apple should just discontinue all computers and sell iPhone and iPad appliances. This year marks the last dollar I will ever spend on Apple ecosystem. Enough is enough.

At least until Apple gets into the diaper business. Then you may want to consider wearing them.
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I believe this is true. 17" MacBook Pro is dead and will become merely a collectors item. But I don't care. The 17" is no longer required now we're getting these incredible retina displays in the 15" model. It has all the screen resolution we need.


Yet another person that does not understand relationship between resolution and screen size. Resolution is entirely independent of screen size. iPad 3 has screen 10'' screen with 2048x1536 pixels. But you don't see more on screen than you do on a typical 13'' laptop with 1280x800 pixels. That's because more pixels (almost 3 times as many) are used to render UI elements. If you just upped the pixels and continued to render stuff with as little pixels as on a smaller resolution, everything on screen would be incredibly tiny.

 

On a 72 DPI screen 10 point font might be rendered with only 20 pixels, but on 300 DPI screen the same 10 point font might be rendered with 100 pixels. This means you see less of stuff on screen, but the stuff you do see is rendered with many more pixels, which means finer detail is better and aliasing is gone.

 

In short, if you take a typical web page on iPad and 13'' Macbook Pro, text has same physical size, but the text on iPad is rendered with more pixels looking sharper. You don't see more of text on iPad 3, in fact you see less of it.

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Apple should just discontinue all computers and sell iPhone and iPad appliances. This year marks the last dollar I will ever spend on Apple ecosystem. Enough is enough.

 

Bye, then. Not sure what you're getting at.


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That extra clarity is because things can be drawn at a finer resolution. It also means that if things are drawn at the same resolution at they currently are, you can fit a helluva lot more on the same sized screen.

 

But that isn't happening. Which is good for him, because it's not what he wants.

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Regarding the 17" model - Apple will prob just do what it ALWAYS does, not upgrade it but keep the current model in stock and avail for years.
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Retire the 17" MacBook Pro?  Damn.  It's the only size laptop I am ever interested in, whether Windows or Apple.  The 13" MacBook Pro has a junk 1280x800 resolution, the 15 inch also has a junk default 1440x900 resolution with a marginally better 1680x1050 option.   The 17" has the nice, crisp 1920x1200 resolution that I consider my minimum preference.  I love my optical drive and use it somewhat frequently and wouldn't be interested in an external drive to carry around the times I need it.  I like having the extra USB port and express card option that the smaller ones don't offer.  I like the heft of the laptop as well.

 

I know the 17" is a very very limited market with high up front costs.  I wouldn't even consider a 15" retina display laptop.  It's just too small overall without the extra ports that I want.   

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If you don't like this decision, you can try to appeal to Tim Cook at: tcook@apple.com
Although he doesn't read all his email messages from strangers, like Steve did.
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Regarding the 17" model - Apple will prob just do what it ALWAYS does, not upgrade it but keep the current model in stock and avail for years.

 

That's not what it always does. The XServe was discontinued a few months after being EOL'd, while the iPod classic, by virtue of its continued existence for four years, has shown it hasn't been EOL'd at all.

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But a thinner and lighter 17" is what I wanted to replace my 15" with a 17"!

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Well I am waiting till next week to know for sure, if they do discontinue it, I will then have to weigh up getting a new 15" with all the new specs or see if a saving of £600 off a new 17" is enough to keep me wanting the 17".

£1589 for a new 17" that is with the current spec might not be a bad deal. If I was unaware of wwdc then I would probably have got one now.
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If you don't like this decision, you can try to appeal to Tim Cook at: tcook@apple.com
Although he doesn't read all his email messages from strangers, like Steve did.

Steve did NOT read all of his email from strangers, are you serious?
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The 17" is less then 2% of sales man, nothing absurd about discontinuing it.

I agree, Why the hell would anyone want to lug around a 17"   you would use an external monitor or projector at that point.   I would rather see a 14" come in to play. 

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It seems like now that Apple is on top of the hill they care less and less about catering to us long time, loyal mac users that have been there with them for 15 years plus... you remember us, right? You know the ones that had to jump through hoops to send documents and emails to windows users. The ones that used to get laughed at all the time for using macs... the ones that kept the company alive, when it should have been dead.

So now we have to contend with service and treatment we just aren't used to as mac customers... with mac back in the day, it was all about service, and the customer. They always went the extra mile with the little things for the loyal customers, that's one of the reasons we loved them so much. 

Believe me, with the amount of financial surplus they have acquired at this point, keeping a 17" pro model and the G5 tower is NO sweat off their backs financially. Don't even get me started on how they threw pro users under the bus with dumbing down their software either for the pro crowd.

If you didn't live through the years before the ipod hit with the company, it's very hard to explain, but let me put it like this... They always did right by the customer, and went out of their way to service the pro user and new comer alike, and made sure both sides had what they needed to do the things they needed to do. Customer service was second to none. If they could do all that back then with the small amount of money they were pulling in, I'm sure they could figure out how to get it done with the billions they are pulling in each year now.

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Yet another person that does not understand relationship between resolution and screen size. Resolution is entirely independent of screen size. iPad 3 has screen 10'' screen with 2048x1536 pixels. But you don't see more on screen than you do on a typical 13'' laptop with 1280x800 pixels. That's because more pixels (almost 3 times as many) are used to render UI elements. If you just upped the pixels and continued to render stuff with as little pixels as on a smaller resolution, everything on screen would be incredibly tiny.

The description you gave is only true if the application is resolution independent. If you take an excel spreadsheet, for example that was developed on a system with 13" 1024x768 screen and display it on a 13" 2048x1536 screen, everything will be 1/4 the size. Since we're talking about laptops, the icons are not automatically quadrupled in size. If you have your desktop set up on a Mac with current screen resolutions and then migrate everything to a display of the same size with twice the linear (4 times the area) resolution, everything will be 1/4 the size.
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Go fall off a cliff please. WE PROFESSIONALS like what we use, pay for and need. It's our world don't fick with it … please.

 

You do what you want, and let the other do what they want. Don't like big, don't buy it, but please don't tell us (The Professionals) go somewhere else,

we like you are entitled to have what we want, to want what we want, and to hope to get what we want.

 

For me, here's hoping they don't drop the 17" PRO (I have 4), and I (and MANY others) hope they do in fact update the Pro line of desktops. Because as PROS, we need them (or at least think we do).

 

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Believe me, with the amount of financial surplus they have acquired at this point, keeping a 17" pro model and the G5 tower is NO sweat off their backs financially.

 

Particularly since they make money on every model they sell; indeed.

 

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Don't even get me started on how they threw pro users under the bus with dumbing down their software either for the pro crowd.

 

Oh, you mean that thing that didn't happen at all? Sure, sure…

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Here is my take.  The 17 inch model is typically sold to professionals, or to those with money that want the biggest screen they can get.  Now, these people are generally considered to be savvy consumers when it comes to products, and it wouldn't surprise me if this market generally buys their products within the first 6 months of their release date since money is not an object and they typically want the product in the beginning of their lifecycle, rather than towards the end.  If this is true, then there might be a pent up demand, just like most people are patiently waiting for a product refresh since waiting 6 months or so isn't that big of a problem.  Everyone that keeps up to date on the latest technology knows that Apple is going to refresh their products this year and with all of the media attention, it wouldn't surprise me that the last quarter and current quarter sales of their computer products is much lower than normal.

 

I think that Apple should keep this product on the price list and continually refresh the product when there is a compelling reason.  Professionals that use these products are typically an important enough market since they assist in driving software and hardware mfg to provide products for high end applications.

 

What I have noticed in the past is that the 17 inch models were refreshed AFTER the 15 inch models.  This has happened before and maybe due to constrain on the panel or other components.

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The 17" is less then 2% of sales man, nothing absurd about discontinuing it.

 

 

 

I think it depends on who's buying the 17". If it's disproportionately used by iOS and Mac developers and graphic artists, etc., which I suspect is the case, then it might be worth it to Apple to keep making it.
 
Also, there appears to be an update coming for the Mac Pro, yet it too must account for only a small percentage of overall Mac sales. Again, one reason might be because the Mac Pro is also disproportionately used by content creators and developers who indirectly support the Apple software ecosystem. So the sales numbers aren't the only thing Apple considers.

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I simply don't see Apple abandoning the Pro. What analysts fail to ever get right about Apple is the fact that Apple simply doesn't have a commodity mentality. If they discontinue something it's going to be because there is a compelling choice available and it's NOT go to Windows. The Pro is used by the recording industry, film, photography, and more. These people have stood by Apple and Apple has always  stood by them. I would bet that a lot of the heavy lifting of code at Apple is done on a Pro.

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What you high resolution lovers don't get is that some of us need big screens, not smaller screens with better definitions.  In my case glaucoma (unfixable) and cataracts (fixable but not yet ripe) and good old fashion older eyes mandate a font of 18 or so as default.  Making the screen smaller only means that less of a given page is visible at smaller screen sizes.

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