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New details from the Far East purport to show the full list of supported devices for Apple's iOS 6 beta, and included among those is the iPhone 3GS, first released in 2009.

The details come from a list of links to the Apple Developer Connection website for an iOS 6 beta build labeled "10A5316K." The links are not active, as Apple has yet to formally announce iOS 6 or release a beta to developers.

The full list of links to Apple's developer site were provided to AppleInsider on Saturday, but the links are not active, so they could easily have been faked. The links appear to have originated from the Chinese website WeiPhone.com.

The provided links give a "Session Expired" page when accessing them is attempted. Changing the links slightly sends users to a page that instead reads "Access Denied."

The full list of devices claimed to be supported by the iOS 6 beta are the iPad 2, and third-generation iPad; the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and iPhone 4S; the fourth-generation iPod touch; and the second- and third-generation Apple TV.

If the links are legitimate, they would suggest that Apple plans to drop support for the third-generation iPod touch and first-generation iPad with the first beta of iOS 6.

Also included among the list of links is an unannounced Safari 6. They include a developer preview for OS X 10.7 Lion, and a separate uninstaller.



The appearance of iOS 6 at this week's Worldwide Developers Conference was revealed last week, when Apple began hanging banners inside Moscone West in San Francisco, Calif. The conference will kick off on Monday.

iOS 6 and other products are expected to be officially introduced by Apple in a keynote presentation on Monday at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern. AppleInsider will have full, live coverage of the event.
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How do we know these links even exist if they're not active? You can type anything you want and have it look like a URL.

This is the first I'm hearing of first-gen iPad support, particularly since it has been missing the last few days.

 

Also, booyah, Safari 6. 5.2 is dandy, but if they're jumping a whole number then they must be adding something good.

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Also, booyah, Safari 6. 5.2 is dandy, but if they're jumping a whole number then they must be adding something good.

Hardware-accelerated compositing I imagine but hopefully also stopping the random refresh as well as fix the performance of plugins.
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It seems weird to have three different iPhones but only one iPod Touch?

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Makes complete sense, as it's a current selling product there'd be an uproar if it could not run iOS 6!
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The provided links give a "Session Expired" page when accessing them is attempted. Changing the links slightly sends users to a page that instead reads "Access Denied."

The first message is just telling you that the file exists but you have not agreed to the additional NDA/terms of use, which is because you have not yet been presented with the form that you need to submit, thus you have no session, expired or otherwise just missing. The second message is actually a more secure way of saying file not found.

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It seems weird to have three different iPhones but only one iPod Touch?

Yeah, if they are supporting the iPhone 3GS, it makes little sense to not support the third-gen iPod Touch since it's essentially the same hardware so it'd be minimal effort. Without a cellular radio and fewer background programs, supporting the 3rd gen iPod Touch should be even simpler than supporting the IPhone 3GS.

 

Supporting 3rd gen devices in general with iOS 6 isn't out of the question since both 3rd and 4th gen devices use the same Cortex A8 CPU and SGX535 GPU so compatibility is not an issue. 3rd gen devices are just a little slower on the CPU side, but a little faster on the GPU side due to lower resolution. Since iOS 6 already needs to fit into 256MB of RAM for the 4th gen iPod Touch, RAM is not an issue for 3rd gen devices either.

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How do we know these links even exist if they're not active? You can type anything you want and have it look like a URL.


This is the first I'm hearing of first-gen iPad support, particularly since it has been missing the last few days.

Also, booyah, Safari 6. 5.2 is dandy, but if they're jumping a whole number then they must be adding something good.

I read somewhere that this same website had links last year which proved to be real.
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1) the links were genuine, it wasn't a 404
2) the 3GS will be around for a while
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Makes complete sense, as it's a current selling product there'd be an uproar if it could not run iOS 6!

Which could mean that iOS 6 will be released before the next iPhone. I'm pretty sure the 3GS will be history after the next iPhone is released, which would make it obsolete and unsupported for iOS 6 if it was released in conjunction with  the new iPhone. Either way I'd wait and see what kind of user experience 3GS users have upgrading to iOS 6 even if it is supported as it may actually prove to be too slow or unstable like what happened with the 3G on iOS 4. Even if they do support the 3GS you can expect it to be lacking some features due to hardware incompatibility.

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1) the links were genuine, it wasn't a 404
2) the 3GS will be around for a while

Then why can't the third-gen iPod Touch it's basically the same thing.

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Makes complete sense, as it's a current selling product there'd be an uproar if it could not run iOS 6!

 

It WON'T be a currently selling product when iOS 6 comes out.

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It WON'T be a currently selling product when iOS 6 comes out.

True. but the 3G wasn't a currently selling model when iOS 4 came out, and it was still supported. Same with the original iPhone and iOS 3.

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How do we know these links even exist if they're not active? You can type anything you want and have it look like a URL.


This is the first I'm hearing of first-gen iPad support, particularly since it has been missing the last few days.

Also, booyah, Safari 6. 5.2 is dandy, but if they're jumping a whole number then they must be adding something good.

The 'session expired' lends credence I'd have thought.
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I read somewhere that this same website had links last year which proved to be real.

That is the scary part. How do they know the directory structure? Do they have an admin password or something?

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True. but the 3G wasn't a currently selling model when iOS 4 came out, and it was still supported. Same with the original iPhone and iOS 3.

They don't have to support anything below the 4.0 models or anything that shipped with iOS 4.  

 

It looks like they probably will however (because of the "uproar"), but personally I wish they wouldn't.  Support of old devices, especially on such a rapidly evolving platform that's essentially in it's early days, is usually a mistake.  Apple is being hobbled here by the very popularity of their products, it would be better for all concerned in the long run to cast off the 3rd generation devices.  

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It WON'T be a currently selling product when iOS 6 comes out.

 

and what was Apples claim around supporting software on currently selling or recently selling hardware?

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Ios 5.1.1.  iOS6?  Seems like Apple is jumping the gun and jumping os versions rapidly.  Why not iOS 5.5 instead of iOS6?  Also why the jump in Safari versions.  I am running the 5.2 beta.  Why jump to Safari 6 when the 5.2 beta is not even main stream?  Doesn't make sense.

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True. but the 3G wasn't a currently selling model when iOS 4 came out, and it was still supported. Same with the original iPhone and iOS 3.

 

Because they hadn't yet received their three years' support. The 3GS has. Unless Apple is changing that, in which case I expect iOS 7 to also run on the 1st gen iPad.

 

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and what was Apples claim around supporting software on currently selling or recently selling hardware?

 

*shrug* What was it?

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Ios 5.1.1.  iOS6?  Seems like Apple is jumping the gun and jumping os versions rapidly.  Why not iOS 5.5 instead of iOS6?  Also why the jump in Safari versions.  I am running the 5.2 beta.  Why jump to Safari 6 when the 5.2 beta is not even main stream?  Doesn't make sense.

 

It usually means significant changes for devs...new APIs, deprecated APIs, new requirements, new capabilities, new rules, etc.  Might also mean new device or resolution to support for apps.

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Yeah, if they are supporting the iPhone 3GS, it makes little sense to not support the third-gen iPod Touch since it's essentially the same hardware so it'd be minimal effort. Without a cellular radio and fewer background programs, supporting the 3rd gen iPod Touch should be even simpler than supporting the IPhone 3GS.

 

Supporting 3rd gen devices in general with iOS 6 isn't out of the question since both 3rd and 4th gen devices use the same Cortex A8 CPU and SGX535 GPU so compatibility is not an issue. 3rd gen devices are just a little slower on the CPU side, but a little faster on the GPU side due to lower resolution. Since iOS 6 already needs to fit into 256MB of RAM for the 4th gen iPod Touch, RAM is not an issue for 3rd gen devices either.

 

It has nothing to do with hardware configuration. It's about the fact that they will continue to sell the 3GS after the next iPhone is launched. There have been rumours that Apple will lower the price and focus the 3GS on the pre-paid PAYG marketplace, in which case it needs to be able to support the latest OS. In contrast Apple are not still selling the 3rd Gen iPod Touch. Also there is very likely going to be a 5th Generation iPod Touch released later this year as they didn't update it last year, so it makes sense to support the new 5th Generation model and the previous 4th Generation model to encourage 3rd Generation users to upgrade.

 

Upgrades = more revenue. It's a simple business decision. Keep the product churn going. Encourage users to upgrade at least every 2 or 3 years to get the latest OS.

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It's about the fact that they will continue to sell the 3GS after the next iPhone is launched.

 

So, what, they'll be paying people to take it off their hands? It's already free. Do you expect anyone to get the iPhone 3GS for free when they can get the iPhone 4 for free?

 

What sense is there to be selling a FOUR YEAR OLD PHONE, particularly since that's what it'll be when the 7th iPhone comes out.

 

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There have been rumours that Apple will lower the price and focus the 3GS on the pre-paid PAYG marketplace, in which case it needs to be able to support the latest OS.

 

"Needs". Also, all other iPhones are already going to be in that marketplace. Data will STILL be forced, so an up-front price reduction is virtually meaningless.

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True. but the 3G wasn't a currently selling model when iOS 4 came out, and it was still supported.
The 3G was discontinued in the same month as the 4.0 release. New customers would have screamed bloody murder if they had not gotten at least one update, only a few weeks after their phone was discontinued.

As it is, Apple is dropping support for MobileMe on the iPhone 3G, less than two years after it was discontinued. The last 3G sold hasn't even run out its AppleCare contract term, and a major feature of the device, synchronization with other Apple products, has been dropped. Good thing those phone contracts only require two years before they'll subsidize another phone upgrade (assuming that is, one bought a 3G to use Apple's synchronization services with which the phone was promoted)... Guess it's wasted AppleCare money though ...
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Good thing those phone contracts only require two years…

 

Yeah, no one lives in Canada or anything. lol.gif

 

(though they probably have upgrade pricing)

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It WON'T be a currently selling product when iOS 6 comes out.


Yes it will. You predicted the demise of the 3GS last year as well as I recall.
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So, what, they'll be paying people to take it off their hands? It's already free. Do you expect anyone to get the iPhone 3GS for free when they can get the iPhone 4 for free?

 

What sense is there to be selling a FOUR YEAR OLD PHONE, particularly since that's what it'll be when the 7th iPhone comes out.

 

 

"Needs". Also, all other iPhones are already going to be in that marketplace. Data will STILL be forced, so an up-front price reduction is virtually meaningless.

 

China + India = 2.5 Billion people = Huge sales potential for PAYG phones = Lots of money = Why they will continue to sell the 3GS

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Yes it will. You predicted the demise of the 3GS last year as well as I recall.

 

Because I was using past actions to predict the future, which is the only thing anyone can reasonably do.

 

So Apple is going to sell a twenty year old phone, is that it? The 3GS is a piece of crap. Everyone complained about iOS 4 on it, for heaven's sake. Now they demand 6?


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It's NOT free on pre-paid PAYG plans… 


You'll notice I mentioned that. Did you read my entire post before deciding to insult me?

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Because I was using past actions to predict the future, which is the only thing anyone can reasonably do.

 

So Apple is going to sell a twenty year old phone, is that it? The 3GS is a piece of crap. Everyone complained about iOS 4 on it, for heaven's sake. Now they demand 6?


 


You'll notice I mentioned that. Did you read my entire post before deciding to insult me?

 

Where? You said you can get the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4 FREE - Neither of these phones are free on PAYG. Check the Apple website if you don't believe me.

 

When the iPhone 5 comes out they will probably drop the iPhone 4 anyway and just keep the 3GS and 4GS alongside the new phone.

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Yes, the 4 is more likely to go than the 3GS. There is no need for an iPhone with the same form factor and a different chip.
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Where?

 

Here:

 

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Data will STILL be forced, so an up-front price reduction is virtually meaningless.

 

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You said you can get the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4 FREE

 

Theoretically, yes, once the next one comes out, provided they even keep the 3GS around.

 

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 - Neither of these phones are free on PAYG. Check the Apple website if you don't believe me.

 

Of course not. I didn't say that.

 

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When the iPhone 5 comes out they will probably drop the iPhone 4 anyway and just keep the 3GS and 4GS alongside the new phone.

 

Because that certainly happened last year.

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So, what, they'll be paying people to take it off their hands? It's already free. Do you expect anyone to get the iPhone 3GS for free when they can get the iPhone 4 for free?

 

What sense is there to be selling a FOUR YEAR OLD PHONE, particularly since that's what it'll be when the 7th iPhone comes out.

 

 

"Needs". Also, all other iPhones are already going to be in that marketplace. Data will STILL be forced, so an up-front price reduction is virtually meaningless.

 

The iPhone 3GS is only free with a 2 year contract. It's still $375 unlocked with no contract. That's the price you'd have to pay for prepaid/pay-as-you-go. Apple's increasingly interested in getting into that market.

 

On Cricket the iPhone 4 is $400 and the iPhone 4S is $500. On Virgin Mobile the iPhone 4 is $550 and the iPhone 4S is $650. The iPhone 3GS won't work on either of those carriers because it's not CDMA, but it will work on many carriers in developing nations, where fewer phones are sold with contracts than without. That's a huge market, and due to the high upfront cost of non-contract iPhones Apple doesn't yet have a very large presence, there. So it actually makes some sense for Apple to keep the iPhone 3GS around, specifically as a very cheap non-contract phone for those markets.

 

Also notice that without the phone subsidies that are baked into a 2 year contract, the monthly service charges are a lot lower. So an up-front price reduction does have significant meaning; at least outside of U.S.-centric, all-smartphones-are-subsidised-with-a-2-year-contract thinking.

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Ios 5.1.1.  iOS6?  Seems like Apple is jumping the gun and jumping os versions rapidly.  Why not iOS 5.5 instead of iOS6?  Also why the jump in Safari versions.  I am running the 5.2 beta.  Why jump to Safari 6 when the 5.2 beta is not even main stream?  Doesn't make sense.

Why only go to 5.5 when you have so many new features, new APIs, and it's what you do every year with iOS as in coincides with a new iPhone release? It makes perfect sense.

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iOS6?  Seems like Apple is jumping the gun and jumping os versions rapidly.  Why not iOS 5.5 instead of iOS6?

 

New version number every year. That's how it always happens.

 

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  Also why the jump in Safari versions.  I am running the 5.2 beta.  Why jump to Safari 6 when the 5.2 beta is not even main stream?  Doesn't make sense.

 

Obviously they're adding something worth renumbering.

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Here:

 

 

 

Theoretically, yes, once the next one comes out, provided they even keep the 3GS around.

 

 

Of course not. I didn't say that.

 

 

Because that certainly happened last year.

 

You simply don't understand the international PAYG market.

 

1. Data is NOT forced on PAYG plans. You can opt to simply use it as a phone/ipod/etc with Apps that don't require a data connection or as many people do simply use your home or free wifi when you need to access the internet for updates, etc. Alternatively you can purchase PAYG data plans as add-ons if you so wish.

 

2. If I remember you were adamant that the 3GS would be discontinued last fall when many us (me included) said they would keep it.

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You simply don't understand the international PAYG market.

 

1. Data is NOT forced on PAYG plans.

 

In the US it is. Apologies.

 

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2. If I remember you were adamant that the 3GS would be discontinued last fall when many us (me included) said they would keep it.

 

Because that was the only logical thought to have at the time.

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It's NOT free on pre-paid PAYG plans you idiot. Maybe you should engage your brain before your mouth once in a while.

 

China + India = 2.5 Billion people = Huge sales potential for PAYG phones = Lots of money = Why they will continue to sell the 3GS

 

 

 

I interpreted his reply as the 3GS is already free to have on a monthly plan (as is the iPhone 4), so why would Apple expect customers to pay for the same inferior 3 year old phone on PAYG with a (likely sub-optimised iOS 6 running off it).  He kind of has a point.

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Until the fall when they introduce the new iPhone, the iPhone 3G[S] will continue to be supported in future software updates and apple improvements. Lemme tell you something, the reason they are not supporting the iPad 1 is because they haven't sold it for 2 generations. Apple gives one year after they stop selling it for software updates, not one year after a new generation comes out, one year after they stop selling it. They still sell the iPhone 3G[S]. When the New iPhone comes out, the iPhone 4 will be free and the iPhone 3G[S] might have one year after that for supported software updates. 

 

 


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In the US it is. Apologies.

 

 

Because that was the only logical thought to have at the time.


Ok sorry I didn't know that. Clearly you have a very different system in the US. My apologies for insulting you.

 

I have an iPhone on PAYG simply because I don't want to be tied to a contract and don't want to pay for an expensive data plan. If I need to connect to the net for updates I just link it to my home wifi or use free wifi in a local coffee shop.

 

It makes sense to me anyway to have a 3 or 4 year old iPhone 3GS still around to address the PAYG market because it's not going to cannibalise sales of the new iPhone in the same way that say using the iPhone 4 would. So I think they will keep to the same strategy of better, best, ultimate: 3GS as the cheap PAYG phone, 4GS as the free or cheap on 2 year contract phone and the new iPhone as the premium product.

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I think the whole issue with supporting the iPhone 3G was just bad planning by Apple. Same thing with the 1st gen iPad.

 

While a device might seem perfectly fine, or even way more than adequate now, it's really difficult to predict what new software features will end up being added 3 years from now, even for Apple. Back in 2008, the year MobileMe launched, the year the MacBook Air was introduced, I don't think anybody knew what would happen in 2011 with iCloud, Retina Displays, or even Steve Job's death. Heck, Snow Leopard wasn't even released yet.

 

And people have trouble predicting what will happen at WWDC, which is only one day away.

 

Apple needs to strike a balance of keeping the interface smooth, adding new features, and supporting devices for a decent period of time.

 

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Even the iPod Touch 4g seems kinda iffy, as the RAM was gimped to 256MB. I have one, and although the Retina screen and HD camcorder are nice, you can actually feel it lagging quite often. Safari keeps crashing and reloading pages, and trying to multitask is potluck sometimes as you have to guess if iOS will end up killing the app to free up RAM. I'm guessing my friend's old 3rd gen is still pretty smooth because of the lower RAM usage from the lower resolution screen. While the newer A4 CPU is somewhat faster, and the same GPU from the 3rd gen still seems capable enough, It's actually slower at a lot of things (and more annoying) compared to the 3rd gen I upgraded from simply because it lacks the RAM to offset the higher RAM usage from the higher resolution.

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