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Apple's anticipated television set may feature unique motion detection technology, as well as a new touchscreen remote akin to a cheaper iPad with a plastic exterior, according to a new report.

The rumored details were shared with analyst Brian White on his recent trip to the Computex trade show in Taipei, Taiwan. While there, sources in Apple's supply chain hinted to him that Apple is expected to unveil a full-fledged television by the end of this year.

The television is rumored to have a "special type of motion detection technology," White was told, which will be the primary way of controlling the device. But users will also be able to utilize a "unique remote control with a touch panel form factor," he said in a note issued to investors on Monday.

The alleged new remote control is said to look similar to an iPad, but would feature a plastic exterior, rather than the aluminum construction of the iPad.

White has been high on the prospect of a full-fledged television set from Apple for some time. In May, he said he expects the announcement of such a product to precede its launch by between two to six months.

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That would mean if Apple were to in fact unveil a television set later this year, the product would not likely hit the market until early 2013 at the soonest. That time would allow developers a head-start to create software for the rumored new device.

Last October, White forecast that an Apple television featuring iOS, Siri and FaceTime would be a $100 billion opportunity for the company. However, he also said in April of 2011 that Apple could launch a television set by the end of last year — a prediction that didn't pan out.

Last week, White indicated that Apple is gearing up for an "exciting" September, in which he expects the company to unveil its next iPhone, as well as a new, smaller iPad model with a 7.85-inch display.
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Maybe this 'remote' is what the 7.85-inch iPad really is.

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Motion Control. Way to copy Samsumg.

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So, that 7.85" iPad is in fact a remote for the AppleTV?  Ah, the joy of speculation!

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Let's look at what Apple's recently done with it's product lifecycle, and apply some calculated prediction around that.

 

1. iPhone (and iPods, which no longer warrant their own event) are now updated Sep/Oct.

2. iPad is updated Jan.

3. Starting this year, most if not all of the Mac line is updated around Jun.

4. That leaves Mar/Apr as the perfect slot to release something big, like a full Apple TV set. If they announce it end of the year, and release it Mar/Apr, they have all four quarters covered, which makes perfect business sense.

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That's what I've been thinking since they announced the Apple TV.  Those mid sized tablets just dont have that much room on the display, but they'd be perfect as a remote.

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Motion Control. Way to copy Samsumg.

Sure, that's possible.

More likely, Samsung got the idea from the various Apple-enthusiast sites that have talked about this for over a year now.

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In a conversation with Walter Isaacson, Steve Jobs said “I finally cracked it” about the Apple TV business. “He very much wanted to do for television sets what he had done for computers, music players, and phones: make them simple and elegant,” Isaacson wrote in Steve Jobs' biography.

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The more I see what nintendo has planned and what apple has planned I really think these two companies should work together.  I feel they have a lot of the same philosophy when it comes to product design.

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September is when they usually update the iPods. But since the iPod is being absorbed in to the phone, perhaps they will replace it with a souped-up Apple TV. If they intend it to have and SDK, perhaps we will see that shortly.

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White has been high on the prospect of a full-fledged television set from Apple for some time. In May, he said he expects the announcement of such a product to precede its launch by between two to six months.

That would mean if Apple were to in fact unveil a television set later this year, the product would not likely hit the market until early 2013 at the soonest. That time would allow developers a head-start to create software for the rumored new device.

 

Isn't it just as likely that 2-6 months could mean announcement of an SDK today with product available in October?

I'm not saying that's likelier; I'm just saying 2-6 months doesn't necessarily mean 2013.

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Forgive me when I say, bull-shite!

I truly hope I eat my words...but really?!?!?

First, a "motion detection" interface? How freakin' annoying would that be? For most people, pressing a remote button and trying to connect the IR to its source Is already enough movement for watching TV. The last thing we want to do while couch-potatoing is wave your arms/hands around. Not to mention a kid/pet racing across the screen, or a loved one messing with you and playing annoying game of it. And how annoying would it be to have to do it with an iPad-like remote in your hand? Thats a sure-fire way to chuck it across the room accidentally.

That brings me to the iPad mini remote? I'll have to see that to understand/believe it. I just don't see what possible advantage one would have for a remote that large. A 4" screen remote is more than adequate for tasks involving the TV. I'm just glad to see he dropped the notion of Siri. That's worse than the motion detection idea.

However, should the time come when I eat my words and they announce this device in Steptmber, the prediction does make good time sense since the last update was in feb. typically the ATV updates were in September. They seemed to parallel the other iPod iOS devices. But this year it was along-side the iPad release. the first quarter launches have historically been for the "premier" line of products (I.e. iPhone, iPad, MB Air, etc.) until those products gain more steady traction. So why bump the release unless they plan on changing the update schedule for the TV-like iOS devices along-side the iPad? I think my previous statement hints at that. What better time to release a TV then right before Super Bowl? But that would suggest this rumored device will have the ability to stream sporting events.

I guess we will "see" soon, maybe...
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In a conversation with Walter Isaacson, Steve Jobs said “I finally cracked it” about the Apple TV business. “He very much wanted to do for television sets what he had done for computers, music players, and phones: make them simple and elegant,” Isaacson wrote in Steve Jobs' biography.


I always laugh when I read this.  I'd love to know what he cracked exactly.  I have DirecTV right now and the interface is pretty simple to me.  Nothing really that needs to be uncomplicated.  And if I forget to record a show all I have to do is pull up the DirecTV app on my phone and I can set the program to record.  Only thing I hate is when my satellite picture goes out because of heavy rain.  Not sure what Apple can do about that...

 

Based on Tim Cook's comments about Apple not looking to make a lot of money off the content side (as he said they make money off devices), and downplaying the possibility of an ala cart type system I can't imagine Apple has something revolutionary in terms of how you pay for content (e.g. paying only for the channels/content you want vs. a package deal).

 

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of all these TV rumors.

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Motion Control. Way to copy Samsumg.

Samsung, way to copy Microsoft.

Microsoft, way to license the technology from a small company.

Small company, how many times have you watched Minority Report?

 

So on and so forth.

 

Pretty much everything these days isn't original. If I could be bothered, I could probably trace Siri all the way back to the voice controlled house my Uncle whipped up in 1982 using an Apple ][. I wonder if he still has the disks...

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Apple Tv rumors! Wow! I uh... snore...

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If they'd just open up an app store for the current Apple TV unit's they'd steal the market. No reason to build a TV, leave that to Samsung.

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If they'd just open up an app store for the current Apple TV unit's they'd steal the market. No reason to build a TV, leave that to Samsung.

Agreed. A truly iOS type of ATV STB would be the most logical first step. They already have a fairly good start on it, and growing each quarter. The little square hockey puck should have enough under the hood to handle something a little more complex. It is still a " hobby" so why not tinker a bit more before diving into a market that is extremely competitive as the TV biz? They could also start by updating the remote of the current ATV to something a little more advanced. They can put a touch screen on a $150 iPod, they most certainly could make a dumb touchscreen for the ATV for at least 1/2 of that, if not less.
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Motion Control. Way to copy Samsumg.

I was secondly thinking Nintendo. I was firstly thinking this was horse-shit which just magically happens to come up the day of WWDC.

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Nice one for the kids to throw around the house ;)

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Let's look at what Apple's recently done with it's product lifecycle, and apply some calculated prediction around that.

 

1. iPhone (and iPods, which no longer warrant their own event) are now updated Sep/Oct.

2. iPad is updated Jan.

3. Starting this year, most if not all of the Mac line is updated around Jun.

4. That leaves Mar/Apr as the perfect slot to release something big, like a full Apple TV set. If they announce it end of the year, and release it Mar/Apr, they have all four quarters covered, which makes perfect business sense.

 

I don't think the timing will work like that. I think the set will come to market when it's ready for prime time. Keep in mind that this will be a premium model costing considerably more than the sets found in huge numbers at your local Walmart, Best Buy etc. As such, it's not enough to offer a superior interface. The set needs to have state of the art picture quality to go with its premium price. Anything less and all the bells and whistles you could conjure up will not result in a successful product. If you can get an OK HDTV for $600 vs. having to pay closer to $1,500 for Apple's entry, it better be about more than just a cool interface. There has to also be a perception that Apple's standards regarding the display technology raises the bar, as well. I think it has been more about waiting for the right display technology than work on the interface, the remote, etc. When Apple is satisfied that it has hit certain picture quality targets, then we'll see an Apple-branded TV and that could be later this year or it could be down the road. While LCD and plasma are decent technologies, there are still issues with both. Meanwhile, OLED is still not a properly evolved technology and the price tag, initially, will be rather daunting. The biggest issue with LCD is the rather limited optimal viewing angle and plasma has problems in brightly lit environments. OLED development has been slowed due to issues with the material used to generate blue wearing much faster than the red and green. 

 

In regards to wanting to having product updates during every time of the year, I don't think that's a huge factor. The iPhone was initially updated with a June time frame and now it seems it is getting updates more in line with the iPod line, to which it is closely related. Sure it makes sense to stagger new product intros from a marketing perspective but it's also about not spreading one's resources too thin. Doing too many product launches at the same time puts too much of a strain on the supply chain and gives upper management too many balls to juggle at once. A product launch does require extra attention and it makes more sense to do them a few at a time. As for when the Apple TV would fit into this process, I think it's probably not a big concern in so much as Apple has products coming along throughout the year. 

 

By the way, the iPad is usually not updated in January. It was introduced January 2010 but was made available in March of that year and the updates have come using a March time frame (March 2, 2011 for the iPad 2 and March 7 for the new iPad). 

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Sure, that's possible.
More likely, Samsung got the idea from the various Apple-enthusiast sites that have talked about this for over a year now.
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Since the intro of motion-control to Samsung TV's six months ago they've now enhanced their TV UI even more, adding "augmented-reality" banners to their SmartTV series. They're steadily adding features to simplify the TV experience, so no telling where the puck will be if/when Apple takes the standalone TV rumors past vaporware.

http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/news/productnews/2012/smart-tv

http://www.mediavataar.com/index.php/news/digital/4056-samsung-introduces-the-first-ever-augmented-reality-motion-control-banner-in-the-digital-space

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I was secondly thinking Nintendo. I was firstly thinking this was horse-shit which just magically happens to come up the day of WWDC.

 

Or maybe an MX Air  like control, we have one at work and this works quite well.

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4. That leaves Mar/Apr as the perfect slot to release something big, like a full Apple TV set. If they announce it end of the year, and release it Mar/Apr, they have all four quarters covered, which makes perfect business sense.

Holiday season is too perfect not to have it out by then, especially since the iPad was updated in March

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Sure, that's possible.
More likely, Samsung got the idea from the various Apple-enthusiast sites that have talked about this for over a year now.
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Yea ok, and no one else had the motion control idea before Apple. Remember Apple excels at what already exists and making it better.
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You know ive said it many times before, but to add my own desires into the iOS ATV speculations...I really hope to see the STB become more like a combo between the time capsule and the current ATV with a full iOS. That way, you would have a home server and relinquish the pc from managing your iTunes. Then, the pc becomes just another device to sync your media (i.e. iLife) with. Think of it as an iTunes/iLife server for your home. Had they not used the name already, a perfect name for that would be "mission control". Or even iVault. Plus then that data could additionally be sync'd with iCould.

This would make a lot of sense IMO. Heck, with the exception of personal docs other than media, this kind of device would be all one household would need to manage their photos, music, movies, TV shows and apps, maybe even documents as well. It could sync with all your devices and wirelessly transfer media back and forth. If it had streaming content via a type of TV/cable service, it could transfer that info via an ATV app for your portable iOS devices, etc. the possiblies of this would be huge, to quote the Donald...not that I like the guy, but it seem the applicable quote.

Heres to wishful thinking, eh?
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This is just so much crap.

 

There's still no explanation for what a TV can do that a box cannot in ANY regard.

There is still no explanation for why we'd waste an extra $100 on the REMOTE when we can just use our existing iDevices for ANY extra possible control.

There is still no explanation for why apps have any right to be on the TV's hardware when AirPlay exists.

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To add to my previous post...
I know what many might say about the home sever/ATV, "then buy a Mac Mini".
Great idea, however the UI of OS X is not conducive to lounging on the sofa, nor is the desktop landscape something that blends well with lounging either. Additionally, a Mac mini wouldn't really seamlessly sync with all our devices as fluidly as a modified ATV-like UI would if it were developed as specifically a home server environment.

Just thought I'd add that.
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This is just so much crap.

 

There's still no explanation for what a TV can do that a box cannot in ANY regard.

There is still no explanation for why we'd waste an extra $100 on the REMOTE when we can just use our existing iDevices for ANY extra possible control.

There is still no explanation for why apps have any right to be on the TV's hardware when AirPlay exists.

I basically agree with you. Add another issue: I personally don't see any way that Apple can avoid infringing on someone's IP, and if it's Samsung's they probably won't say a thing about it before filing for an injunction (or exclusion order) once the product is ready to ship. The big upside that makes the likely legal problems worth the hassle to Apple by offering a standalone TV isn't really clear to me.

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The more I see what nintendo has planned and what apple has planned I really think these two companies should work together.  I feel they have a lot of the same philosophy when it comes to product design.

I agree in part but I think Sony is more relevant to Apple. Sony is unifying it's products and service to work with each other, i.e. Sony Entertainment Network and PlayStation, just as Apple has done. Additionally, Sony and Apple share the same design philosophy. Initially, Apple sought design inspiration from Sony and now Sony seeks design inspiration from Apple.

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If they'd just open up an app store for the current Apple TV unit's they'd steal the market. No reason to build a TV, leave that to Samsung.

Agree, TV hardware is not the way to go.  It is content access on demand where the revolution in TV will come, not in hardware.  Apple could do something new with hardware as well but without the ability to offer control over the content there would not be a big swing towards any new hardware.

 

I could see Apple doing something new with screens like counter top screens or wall mounted glass screens with touch or motion interfaces but again without control of the TV content these would just be computers in a new form factor.

 

People need to be able to dump cable TV and subscribe to just the channels they want and watch that content on demand and watch any movie they want on demand.  Then over the air broadcast HD can be worked into the mix for local channels. 

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This is just so much crap.

There's still no explanation for what a TV can do that a box cannot in ANY regard.
There is still no explanation for why we'd waste an extra $100 on the REMOTE when we can just use our existing iDevices for ANY extra possible control.
There is still no explanation for why apps have any right to be on the TV's hardware when AirPlay exists.
Well, to rebutt on the remote argument, let's play devils advocate and say you own an iTunes account but don't own an iOS device, like the iPad, touch or phone. If apple wants to sell an ATV STB to them, they have to include a remote. Not to mention I find the remote app more cumbersome than even the silly alum. remote. First ou have to slide to unlock and then open the app, if you haven't already. Then, when you are browsing and you are reading or not using the remote, it sleeps and you have to wake it up again. It just doesn't work as seemlessly as a dedicated remote. Even if they update the current remote with a touch enabled device, it would need to be instant on with no unlock or anything, more like touch for "on", or at least. Home button with no unlock.

I'd say if such an update occurs, it surely won't be a nearly 8" touchscreen.

I agree an all-in-one device makes little sense right now, unless Apple has the content side wrapped up pretty tightly and seemlessly. But judging by the current set of rumors about content negotiations, it say that side of the deal is pretty far off. Not to mention they have figured out how to get the device to talk with all your other HT equipment seamlessly. They have to assume at the very least that people are going to want to hook up some of their existing HT equipment. Maybe not a BD play but at the very least a receiver and surround sound speakers. Something tells me that's not quite resolved yet either.
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This is just so much crap.

 

There's still no explanation for what a TV can do that a box cannot in ANY regard.

There is still no explanation for why we'd waste an extra $100 on the REMOTE when we can just use our existing iDevices for ANY extra possible control.

There is still no explanation for why apps have any right to be on the TV's hardware when AirPlay exists.

 

A box can not switch itself to be the current input source on your TV. Seems like a simple thing, but when you throw a home theatre receiver into the mix, a lot of people have trouble.

 

Extra for remote: hot everyone will have an iDevice to be a remote.

 

Apps on TV, again, not everyone owns an iDevice, or it's being used elsewhere. I'm not going to go find my iPad to look up tomorrow's weather when the TV should be able to show it to me.

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Motion Control? Its the remote re-imagined. The revolutionary iCharades. You act it out - the TV delivers. Combined with a motion sensor so the minute you enter the room it turns on and when you leave it goes to sleep. No  need to speak, or look for the remote - all you need to do is act. :/

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Well, to rebutt on the remote argument, let's play devils advocate and say you own an iTunes account but don't own an iOS device, like the iPad, touch or phone. If apple wants to sell an ATV STB to them, they have to include a remote.

 
Absolutely! That's fine! Sure, they have to include a remote.

 

They already make one. It's pretty impressive, and it's darn beautiful. It's already the antithesis to all other remote controls.

 

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Not to mention I find the remote app more cumbersome than even the silly alum. remote. First ou have to slide to unlock and then open the app, if you haven't already. Then, when you are browsing and you are reading or not using the remote, it sleeps and you have to wake it up again. It just doesn't work as seemlessly as a dedicated remote.

 

Obviously there would be a considerable update to the remote software, including sleep prevention.

 

But that still doesn't address the issue at hand: apps. There's no explanation for why the TV hardware needs to have apps jammed on it when the apps can be on iDevices.

 

You mentioned 'someone with an Apple ID but no iDevices'. That's a customer. For the iDevices.

 

Why would Apple NOT want to sell their own hardware? Why would Apple want to provide someone with the hardware (touchscreen "remote control") for extraneous features when they could use a real remote control (cheap as peas) and then buy an iDevice and stream apps from that like they always have?

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A box can not switch itself to be the current input source on your TV. Seems like a simple thing, but when you throw a home theatre receiver into the mix, a lot of people have trouble.

Extra for remote: hot everyone will have an iDevice to be a remote.

Apps on TV, again, not everyone owns an iDevice, or it's being used elsewhere. I'm not going to go find my iPad to look up tomorrow's weather when the TV should be able to show it to me.

Good points, however the iPad dropped 6 native apps from its pad-top...including the weather app. So you have to surf in the app store or a carp-tastic array of Luke-warm alternatives, that are over-complicated. I have managed to find nearly carbon copies of calculator and clock. But not for stocks or weather. I could care less about the VC and compass apps. I'm not one to carry my iPad out unless on travels abroad or national, then even it sits in the hotel room, since I have a more portable version...iPhone.
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Absolutely! That's fine! Sure, they have to include a remote.

 

They already make one. It's pretty impressive, and it's darn beautiful. It's already the antithesis to all other remote controls.

 

 

My remote, which came with my cable box, controls both the TV and the cable box station selection as well as the signal inputs so I can easily switch to my aTV or my over the air signal. And I don't have to look at it since I know where all the buttons are by feel. If had to use my iPhone as a remote, I would have to put on my glasses, unlock the screen, launch an app, navigate to some onscreen button to simply change the volume slightly. Antithesis indeed!.

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My remote, which came with my cable box, controls both the TV and the cable box station selection as well as the signal inputs so I can easily switch to my aTV or my over the air signal.

 

What about HDMI 1.5? Where a remote can control all connected devices?

 

Or was that just a theory… 

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I see motion control and a 7.85" 4:3 remote control tablet as cracking up not cracking it. Siri would make a lot more sense for rapid setup and access than waving your arms around. or using a remote you can't easily hold in one hand.

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Motion Control? Its the remote re-imagined. The revolutionary iCharades. You act it out - the TV delivers. Combined with a motion sensor so the minute you enter the room it turns on and when you leave it goes to sleep. No  need to speak, or look for the remote - all you need to do is act. :/
That sounds a lot like what Ray Bradbury imagined in Fahrenheit 451.

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What about HDMI 1.5? Where a remote can control all connected devices?

 

Or was that just a theory… 

I have no idea, I'm not an expert in emerging tech only pointing out that I do not want an iPhone app as the means to do simple things quickly like mute, pause, change the channel, adjust the volume etc. I like having a dedicated remote with real tactile buttons. My iPhone is usually in my pocket or on the nightstand in my bedroom. Neither place is very convenient for controlling the TV in addition to my preference for the tactile part. The TV remote stays on the coffee table and even the housekeeper knows how to operate it so she can watch/listen to her soaps (while working) when I am at the office with my iPhone. In that scenario we would need two different remotes anyway. iPhone just makes zero sense as a TV remote for my typical usage.

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But that still doesn't address the issue at hand: apps. There's no explanation for why the TV hardware needs to have apps jammed on it when the apps can be on iDevices.

You mentioned 'someone with an Apple ID but no iDevices'. That's a customer. For the iDevices.

Why would Apple NOT want to sell their own hardware? Why would Apple want to provide someone with the hardware (touchscreen "remote control") for extraneous features when they could use a real remote control (cheap as peas) and then buy an iDevice and stream apps from that like they always have?

Here's one explanation, and this works the same for a STB or a full TV:
What if you looked at the ATV as just one more device in the iOS line-up? Just like the iPad, iPhone/Touch, even the iPod nano, they all have certain specific apps that are custom build for that one particular device. Many people claimed (including myself) that the iPad is just a bigger iPod touch. Well, we are all eating our words after the amazing success and actually experiencing the device first-hand, with apps specifically made for the large screen real estate. What makes the scenario of the 40"-55" Screen size any different? Just think of the massive amounts of game apps, informational apps, media apps, etc. That could be developed to work only on a TV-sized screen...

Sure some apps could cross-over devices, but maybe not all. Some media companies might just negotiate that their app only work on the ATV, for whatever reason.
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