Apple launches 0.71" thick next-generation MacBook Pro with 15" Retina display - Page 2

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Originally Posted by wizard69 
Shockingly aggressive price!   This laptop will be hard to resist this year.    Hopefully we will get details real quick on the storage method / upgradability.

Nonexistent*, like the MacBook Air, I'm guessing.

*officially

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Originally Posted by Jetz 

 

Exactly what I was thinking.  My gf is in the market for a new laptop.  I've convinced her to give Mac a try.  She likes using my iMac.  So I thought it'd be nice to hold off on a new MBA or MBP till the refresh.  I wanted a better screen.  She needs solid resolution because she's coming down from a huge 17 incher....

 

At these prices even the 15incher will be unaffordable.  Might have to go back to shopping for a Windows machine....

Dude...then you shouldn't be buying a Macbook PRO at all.  You should be buying a Macbook instead.  Anyone that thinks he can get a "pro" level laptop for less <$2,000 should have his head examined.  The machine looks great.  If I was in the market, I'd jump on it.  Then again, I have a job.  :) 

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Originally Posted by BahHumbug 

"Like the iPhone and iPad before it, the new Retina display has pixels so small that Apple says your eyes cannot discern them."

 

I've never seen A pixel on any display when viewed from a reasonable distance.

 

200dpi! Do you have any idea how an email sent at 12pt is going to be read. It can't be read! An image in a do it your self website will be the size of a postage stamp! IfSafari tries to blow it up -- it will just be blurry.

 

And ONLY Mac applications will work. Try using an Adobe or Avid editor. Sure you'll get a whole lot more of the editor on the screen. But, every button -- every bit of text -- will be 4 times smaller!

 

Who want's 1080p in a tiny window!

 

All during the presentation I watched the stock fall over $5!

 

 

You don't get it

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Originally Posted by BahHumbug 

200dpi! Do you have any idea how an email sent at 12pt is going to be read. It can't be read!

Sound the "I don't get it" alarm!

OS X will use pixel doubling to make text readable, just as it does in iOS on the iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad. Have you ever seen one of those devices?

Other than the fact that no, that isn't the case, and they specifically said otherwise.

Which happens at every. single. keynote. ever.

Keep that "I don't get it" alarm going, folks.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Nonexistent*, like the MacBook Air, I'm guessing.

 

*officially

The AIRs are upgradable.   Though I would imagine Apple is using a different card format here.

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Originally Posted by BahHumbug 

"Like the iPhone and iPad before it, the new Retina display has pixels so small that Apple says your eyes cannot discern them."

 

I've never seen A pixel on any display when viewed from a reasonable distance.

 

200dpi! Do you have any idea how an email sent at 12pt is going to be read. It can't be read! An image in a do it your self website will be the size of a postage stamp! IfSafari tries to blow it up -- it will just be blurry.

 

And ONLY Mac applications will work. Try using an Adobe or Avid editor. Sure you'll get a whole lot more of the editor on the screen. But, every button -- every bit of text -- will be 4 times smaller!

 

Who want's 1080p in a tiny window!

 

All during the presentation I watched the stock fall over $5!

If you can't discern pixels on a normal computer screen you're not looking or don't know what to look for.

And you don't seem to understand how resolution independent graphics work in OS X or you wouldn't be commenting on the text size.

Did you really register just to troll about technology you haven't bothered researching?

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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande 

 

If you can't discern pixels on a normal computer screen you're not looking or don't know what to look for.

 

And you don't seem to understand how resolution independent graphics work in OS X or you wouldn't be commenting on the text size.

 

Did you really register just to troll about technology you haven't bothered researching?

Lets see, he is likely a Samsung, HP or Dell employee.   Anybody that has even heard of iPad should understand how this will work out on the Mac.   There is certainly going to be legacy issues with software but I expect a flurry of app updates in the next couple of weeks.

I'M actually fairly impressed with the new laptop.    I'm not at all happy that Ethernet took a hike but three USB ports and two TB ports makes up for that a bit.

"The next-generation MacBook Pro starts at $2,199 for the 15.4-inch model."  Whoops.  I am far from poor, but this is WAY out of my price range for a laptop--no matter how cool it is.

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Originally Posted by alpha10711 
…this is WAY out of my price range for a laptop—no matter how cool it is.

You're new to Apple, huh.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Nonexistent*, like the MacBook Air, I'm guessing.

 

*officially

I like  the asterisk + small font. It was funny.

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Originally Posted by wizard69 

 

 

The AIRs are upgradable.   Though I would imagine Apple is using a different card format here.

It's pretty costly to upgrade the Air's storage. Not many options are available. You missed the asterisk on his post, and it doesn't mention any post edits to place it there.

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Originally Posted by wizard69 

 

Lets see he is likely a Samsun, HP or Dell employee.   Anybody that has even heard of iPad should understand how this will work out on the Mac.   There is certainly going to be legacy issues with software but I expect a flurry of app updates in the next couple of weeks.

 

I'M actually fairly impressed with the new laptop.    I'm not at all happy that Ethernet took a hike but three USB ports and two TB ports makes up for that a bit.

I too expect application updates relative to this. I didn't notice two TB ports mentioned anywhere. It sounds like a much better solution for notebook peripherals as you are less likely to hit a daisy chaining gotcha.

Whenever I buy things Apple (and I do that relatively often) I feel that the price is high. Whenever I compare my choices with the people that does not buy Apple things, I feel that I did the right thing.

My call: My 2009 MB Pro will continue to be my main computer, but will probably buy a 13" MB Air ... I was expecting for a 15" MB Air, it seems is not coming ...

Beautiful! 

I want one.  Those specs are awesome, I can't wait to see the display in person.  The price is nuts but that was expected with the Retina display technology, it will probably be years before volume ramps up to where Apple can offer a Retina laptop at the same price point as the current non-Retina laptops.  

My only complaint is, it looks like Apple is going to make me buy another 17" MacBook on eBay.  WTF?  Some people edit photos and video on their laptops, Apple.  Large displays are a must for such uses.  Lose the optical bay on the 17" and add a couple more HD bays in it's place, drop a faster quad-core i7 in it, boost the maximum RAM to 32MB, offer a 6870 Radeon, and it will totally rock.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

$2,199 base price?!

 

They've just killed their old 15". Why did they bother updating it at all?!

I don't think so. Maybe for some of you $2200 is not a lot of money but for most is. And if you think that included 256GB SSD is not something I want today you need to take at list one that will be 2.5k which is A LOT. So I guess a lot of us wont be able to afford it at this price.

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Originally Posted by hmm 

I like  the asterisk + small font. It was funny.

It's pretty costly to upgrade the Air's storage. Not many options are available. You missed the asterisk on his post, and it doesn't mention any post edits to place it there.

 

I too expect application updates relative to this. I didn't notice two TB ports mentioned anywhere. It sounds like a much better solution for notebook peripherals as you are less likely to hit a daisy chaining gotcha.

Methinks me saw two in the photo of the new machine...

Yep.  Looked back and there are certainly TWO Thunderbolt ports.

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Originally Posted by Bergermeister 
Methinks me saw two in the photo of the new machine...

Yep, it's two. Hang on, I'll grab the photo.

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Originally Posted by mariowinco 

Whenever I buy things Apple (and I do that relatively often) I feel that the price is high. Whenever I compare my choices with the people that does not buy Apple things, I feel that I did the right thing.

 

My call: My 2009 MB Pro will continue to be my main computer, but will probably buy a 13" MB Air ... I was expecting for a 15" MB Air, it seems is not coming ...

The new macbook pro is the 15" Air.  no CD, SSD and ultra thin...

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Originally Posted by alpha10711 

"The next-generation MacBook Pro starts at $2,199 for the 15.4-inch model."  Whoops.  I am far from poor, but this is WAY out of my price range for a laptop--no matter how cool it is.

Back in 2008 I paid more than that for my MBP which wasn't anywhere near as technologically advanced as this one.   This is actually a pretty aggressive price if you consider those technologies.    Consider:

1. State of the art display.
2. Two TB ports and a good GPU.
3. A very capable SSD.
4. Large and proven battery technology.
5. A fairly fast CPU

All in all not bad for the price.

release date???? Sometime in July??? Please tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need one now!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by alpha10711 

"The next-generation MacBook Pro starts at $2,199 for the 15.4-inch model."  Whoops.  I am far from poor, but this is WAY out of my price range for a laptop--no matter how cool it is.

I cannot judge if this is too much or not... there is no competitor that could offer similar product.

But I think 1199 USD for basic 13" MBP is totally overpriced. They should wake up soon. Their hw may be slightly above average, but their prices are definetily premium.

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Originally Posted by bglen 
release date???? Sometime in July??? Please tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need one now!!!!!!

Please actually read. It comes out today.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton 


They'll run to Microsoft and say, "what do we do now? Pleeeease tell us what to do, master."
And Microsoft will say, "do what we do: copy."

Question..

if for some reason i need windows 7 on bootcamp (games, software already bought or Vstudio..

how is windows going to look on this piece of amazing engineering?

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Originally Posted by BahHumbug 

I do get it. Of course, a Mac's GPU can double the resolution. Now everything will be the same size as it always has been.

 

But, making 1 pixel become 4 pixels has done nothing since the ORIGINAL still has the same resolution. You do not get more of anything. All Apple has done is make each of the 4 pixels smaller. One fourth the size. But, since the pixel couldn't be seen before, making it more invisible does nothing for the user. Nothing! You've been had. Nothing has been improved -- Apple simply gets to claim a higher resolution.

 

They said Adobe was working on Photoshop. Is it shipping? NO! Up-scaling all the current applications only makes them look more fuzzy. UPscaling always reduces quality!

 

An iPhone or iPad is different because of the tiny screen that you can hold it too close and -- some say see pixels. Hell, you'll see pixels on any device if you stick your nose against the screen. So Retina is a joke that does nothing because you can't make something better by zooming it up. Jut pull your nose back a few inches.

 

The real key is bigger screen. A new 17" is what's need for pro work.

Why did you register to make yourself look stupid?   You clearly don't understand what is going on with these new macs.   

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Originally Posted by ewiz77 

where is 13" new macbook pro :(

my question also;  I did not notice anything about a 13" macbook pro with retina;  I know quite a few of us were waiting for such a product;  anyone have any info?  thanks

So is the memory upgradeable as on previous MBPs or soldered in as on Air?

It is kind of hard to see from this:

they new Macbook pro is unveiled today but it never says you can purchase one today......

Not sure if I will I own one of these next month, or a year from now, but I *will* own one. It's hard to think of a feature one might want in a laptop that's not available, here. WOW!

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Originally Posted by bglen 
they unveiled it today but it never says that you can purchase one today.......

Except "Available today" was the highlight.

So is the memory upgradeable as on previous MBPs or soldered in as on Air?

Kind of hard to see from this capture: http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/6013/apple-wwdc-2012-_0753.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jetz 

 

Exactly what I was thinking.  My gf is in the market for a new laptop.  I've convinced her to give Mac a try.  She likes using my iMac.  So I thought it'd be nice to hold off on a new MBA or MBP till the refresh.  I wanted a better screen.  She needs solid resolution because she's coming down from a huge 17 incher....

 

At these prices even the 15incher will be unaffordable.  Might have to go back to shopping for a Windows machine....

You can go back shopping for three competent Win machines at that price point...

No, actually, I own a 13" and a 15" MBP and a Mini, an iPad and an iPod Touch.  I teach classes on using Mac software, so I am aware of what my students can afford.  $1799 was already a high entry point for a 15" laptop.  $2199 is out of reach for a lot of people who don't live in silicon valley and live on real incomes instead of adding the cost of a new laptop to their student debt.
 

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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 

Apple just dropped a bomb on the PC industry with these updates.

A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK 
A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

I guess if you have no concept of economics then $2,199 certainly rounds up to $3,000.

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK 

A 3 grand laptop in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis - I don't the PC makers are going to be losing too much sleep tonight.

How is $2199 = 3 grand?

As to the price if one can afford $1800 one can afford $2200.    Especially in the context of the new machine offering up so much technology.   These are not half baked machine built out of left over parts from some asian jobber they are very much bleeding edge machines.

Why in the world would they drop the Audio In port on a Pro notebook?

You can, of course, use an adapter, but who wants to fiddle around with that...